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DC's New Year, New Life 2019

DemntedCowboy said:
If you want to gain, you have to eat more. You wanna get leaner, you need to eat less. With no change, you will see nothing. But, if someone adds food to their program, some will tell them they are cheating the log cause they are getting bigger because of the food. Or when they cut, they again say they are cheating the log, cause they cut their calories. Well no sh*t. No product by itself, even roids are gonna do anything by themselves. It is all based off of food, and training. Again, if you change NOTHING, you will see NOTHING and that is why some will never see their end goal.
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Well yes and no, if doing a log I assume you mean a log for a product or supplement. If you add the product you have changed something. If someone is already in a surplus or deficit they should not need to adjust that when adding in a supplement to see the effects of the supplement if it works. If the body can produce more muscle at a 300 calorie surplus then is should be able to add more muscle faster from the addition of the supplement which would then REQUIRE an increase in calories to maintain the surplus.

BEAST73 said:
I agree 100%! I changed my eating and workout regimen and my body started to change dramatically. If one like myself add a Great product to their regimen the gainz would be phenomenal!
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Or not... it is FAR MORE LIKELY that you wouldn't see much improvement at all. The increase at best would be marginal. Short of gear there simply isn't anything on the market that is going to even come close to what you can do and have done with diet and training. Take that as a compliment by the way.

Chados said:
So the scale and caliper are quite close ey?
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DemntedCowboy said:
Yeah, they where quite close actually. Kinda surprised me that they where that close
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Chados said:
Yeah and that makes me belive some scales are quite effective. I mean coincidence? Nah :D
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This isn't too surprising, they both have about a 3% over / under reading on average, and both can be skewed quite a bit by improper technique with the calipers, and varying levels of conductivity in the body based off of hydration and other transient factors.

Chados said:
Haha yeah I've heard some scales can be a bit off putting. I'll look in to it a bit, not that I care that much since I just go by the mirror but it'd be cool to have one that works!
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The scales are great, the BF readers... good for a general idea. For you I wouldn't worry too much about it. You are at a level that you don't need to concern yourself with such trivial things. If you look good in the mirror you are golden, if not you know exactly what you need to do to get back to it quickly.
Rocket3015 said:
I'm mad at my scale right now !!
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I heard it was mad at you too!
Rocket3015 said:
I got 4 bottle !!
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I am 100% willing to be you that if you didn't use that and went on the exact same diet you did before the results would be almost exactly the same without a diet pill at all. It was your diet and training that got you there. Not those pills. Not even close to being a major factor in your loss other than supplying more energy and appetite suppression. However I am sure you would end up just as ripped in the end.
DemntedCowboy said:
Scheduled Rest Day today, but will be taking my trt, eq, an other tbol when I get home from work
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Hopefully topped that off with a nice meal to increase recovery too eh?
 
MrKleen73 said:
Well yes and no, if doing a log I assume you mean a log for a product or supplement. If you add the product you have changed something. If someone is already in a surplus or deficit they should not need to adjust that when adding in a supplement to see the effects of the supplement if it works. If the body can produce more muscle at a 300 calorie surplus then is should be able to add more muscle faster from the addition of the supplement which would then REQUIRE an increase in calories to maintain the surplus.


Or not... it is FAR MORE LIKELY that you wouldn't see much improvement at all. The increase at best would be marginal. Short of gear there simply isn't anything on the market that is going to even come close to what you can do and have done with diet and training. Take that as a compliment by the way.




This isn't too surprising, they both have about a 3% over / under reading on average, and both can be skewed quite a bit by improper technique with the calipers, and varying levels of conductivity in the body based off of hydration and other transient factors.


The scales are great, the BF readers... good for a general idea. For you I wouldn't worry too much about it. You are at a level that you don't need to concern yourself with such trivial things. If you look good in the mirror you are golden, if not you know exactly what you need to do to get back to it quickly.

I heard it was mad at you too!

I am 100% willing to be you that if you didn't use that and went on the exact same diet you did before the results would be almost exactly the same without a diet pill at all. It was your diet and training that got you there. Not those pills. Not even close to being a major factor in your loss other than supplying more energy and appetite suppression. However I am sure you would end up just as ripped in the end.


Hopefully topped that off with a nice meal to increase recovery too eh?
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I had a venison steak, with brussel sprouts, and french onion potatoes for dinner. And as for your comment about me referring to a log. I wasn't referring to anyone or anything. I was making a blanket statement. Take it how it is written.
 
BEAST73 said:
MrKleen73, When I change eating,workouts or add a Great supplement,My body change exactly how I want it too. I must have super powers. Lol!
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That's kind of my point Beast, you have nailed down your training and nutrition to get the results you want. You have it nailed down enough that supps just aren't going to make that much of a difference for you when it comes to growth or cutting. Your nutrition and training take care of that for you. When you shift gears you also shift your diet and nutrition toward your new goal and go at it with gusto. Adding a supplement in at that time and giving it credit for the changes is not only cheating yourself of the credit deserved for the changes you made but also unintentionally misleads others into thinking they can get those results from the supplement when it was your dietary and training changes that actually drove the improvements.

DemntedCowboy said:
I had a venison steak, with brussel sprouts, and french onion potatoes for dinner. And as for your comment about me referring to a log. I wasn't referring to anyone or anything. I was making a blanket statement. Take it how it is written.
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Not sure why, but this seems a bit defensive and condescending... wasn't accusing you of anything just talking reality which apparently on some level you know to be true. Since this statement is what I have been saying the whole time. It ain't the supplements it is the diet and training, which were pretty much your words here "It is all based off of food, and training."

Also, I did take it how it is written. You mentioned people being accused of cheating a log by changing their dietary intake. That really only applies to a supplement log. No one would be saying that someone was cheating a log by adjusting calories one way or another if it was just a nutrition or training log. Only a supplement log could be skewed by changing the diet drastically to get the best out of the nutrition and imply that the effects came from the supplement. Unfortunately even the logger often thinks it was the supplement and not the dietary and training changes they made to get the most out of it. That is the truly sad part of it.
 
Wake-Up(0354):
Shower & Supplements

Breakfast(0434): 2 cups Coffee, 1 tsp of creamer each cup. Tropicana 12oz OJ

Snack(1012): 2 scoop Protein Shake

Lunch(1146): Venison Steak, French Onion Potatoes, Steamed Brussel Sprouts

Post Lunch Snack(1213): 20mg Tbol

Dinner(1700): Homemade Spaghetti and Meatballs, texas toast

PWO+20mg Tbol(1759)

Warm-Up(Bike): 3.65 miles x 10 mins

Low Row w/Rope Attachment: 70x18,18,18,18,18 85x12,12,12

Behind the Neck Lat Pulldown: 85x18,18,18,18,18 100x12,12,12

Reverse Grip Machine Pulldown: 70x18,18,18,18,18 90x12,12,12

Back Extension: 150x18,18,18,18

Post-Workout(1930): 2 Scoop Protein Shake

Pre-Bed(2130): 25mg MK677Invalid Link RemovedInvalid Link RemovedInvalid Link RemovedInvalid Link RemovedInvalid Link RemovedInvalid Link Removed
 
MrKleen73 said:
That's kind of my point Beast, you have nailed down your training and nutrition to get the results you want. You have it nailed down enough that supps just aren't going to make that much of a difference for you when it comes to growth or cutting. Your nutrition and training take care of that for you. When you shift gears you also shift your diet and nutrition toward your new goal and go at it with gusto. Adding a supplement in at that time and giving it credit for the changes is not only cheating yourself of the credit deserved for the changes you made but also unintentionally misleads others into thinking they can get those results from the supplement when it was your dietary and training changes that actually drove the improvements.



Not sure why, but this seems a bit defensive and condescending... wasn't accusing you of anything just talking reality which apparently on some level you know to be true. Since this statement is what I have been saying the whole time. It ain't the supplements it is the diet and training, which were pretty much your words here "It is all based off of food, and training."

Also, I did take it how it is written. You mentioned people being accused of cheating a log by changing their dietary intake. That really only applies to a supplement log. No one would be saying that someone was cheating a log by adjusting calories one way or another if it was just a nutrition or training log. Only a supplement log could be skewed by changing the diet drastically to get the best out of the nutrition and imply that the effects came from the supplement. Unfortunately even the logger often thinks it was the supplement and not the dietary and training changes they made to get the most out of it. That is the truly sad part of it.
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Sorry, if I misconstrued what you where saying. We all know sometimes you can read something the wrong way on here.
 
Doooood Brussel sprouts? ????

Least favorite green to eat lol everything else looks great tho
 
DemntedCowboy said:
Brussel Sprouts are the Bomb. I use to not like them when I was younger. Now, I love them. Maybe its the brain damage from the war
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Has to be lol jk

Everyone’s pallet is different but Brussel sprouts are literally the last vegetable I would eat ?
 
tyga tyga said:
Has to be lol jk

Everyone’s pallet is different but Brussel sprouts are literally the last vegetable I would eat ��
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I love them too -but everybody knows I'm cuckoo in the head, without war damage.
 
My Mom mailed 3 King Cakes for Mardi Gras to my house and we got them today. Guess whats going to qork on MondayInvalid Link Removed
 
SkRaw85 said:
A little truffle salt on those bad girls too. Mmmmmm Mmmmmm!
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Oh hell yeah. Side note..just about all i eat is chicken and rice all mixed together..usually with beans. Last meal today, skipped the beans and added a can of cream of mushroom soup. I didnt mix it with water, just the thick stuff out of the can...wow!
 
swimfan65 said:
Oh hell yeah. Side note..just about all i eat is chicken and rice all mixed together..usually with beans. Last meal today, skipped the beans and added a can of cream of mushroom soup. I didnt mix it with water, just the thick stuff out of the can...wow!
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Next time chop up some potatoes, and add a packet of french onion soup in a pan. You will love it.
 
Wife made Venison - Swiss Steak in the Insta-Pot the last night.............So Good !!
 
So officially up 9#'s since I started after 3 weeks. Figured I throw in some end of week 3 updated pics instead of waiting till week 10.Invalid Link RemovedInvalid Link RemovedInvalid Link RemovedInvalid Link RemovedInvalid Link RemovedInvalid Link Removed
 
What's the story on this - Just Curious ??

Redcon1 Teir Operator
 
Makin gains DC! How’re the legs? I know squats are your better movement (from my thread).
 
tyga tyga said:
Makin gains DC! How’re the legs? I know squats are your better movement (from my thread).
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Legs are good. Had to take a few weeks off due to an Umbilical Hernia, but that seems to be doing alot better so most likely I will be adding back in leg workouts.
 
DemntedCowboy said:
Legs are good. Had to take a few weeks off due to an Umbilical Hernia, but that seems to be doing alot better so most likely I will be adding back in leg workouts.
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What did you do for it? Dont remember you mentioning surgery???
 
DemntedCowboy said:
Legs are good. Had to take a few weeks off due to an Umbilical Hernia, but that seems to be doing alot better so most likely I will be adding back in leg workouts.
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Can't see a hint of it in the pics -or did you mean inguinal hernia?
 
bigbeaph said:
What did you do for it? Dont remember you mentioning surgery???
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No surgery, I have taken 3 weeks off all lower body exercises, and wore an abdominal binder everyday. It was very small, but if I moved the wrong way it let me know it was there.
 
SkRaw85 said:
Those insta-pots are the greatest creation ever!
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That and the Air Fryer get a lot of use at our house, next kitchen gadget is a Sous Vide ....
 
Wake-Up(0653)
Shower & Supplements

Breakfast(0715): 2 cups Coffee, 1 tsp of Creamer each Cup, 2 whole eggs fried over hard(garlic salt, cajun seasoning, ground cumin), 2 blueberry waffles, 2 hashbrowns, pancake syrup

PWO + 20mg Tbol(1146)

Warm-Up Set 60" Rest, Working Sets 45" Rest

Incline BB Press: WU-110x15,15 160x8,8,6

Flat DB Press: 55x15,15,15

Machine Bench Press: 110x25,25,20

Cable Crossover(High): 20x20,18,17

Pec Deck Flys: 110x18,18,18

Lunch(1300): 2 Meijer Three Meat French Bread Pizza's

Afternoon Snack(1800): 20mg Tbol

Dinner(1823): Bacon Wrapped Jalapeno Popper Stuffed Chicken w/Bacon Wrapped Asparagus

Pre-Bed(2130): 25mg MK677Invalid Link RemovedInvalid Link RemovedInvalid Link RemovedInvalid Link RemovedInvalid Link RemovedInvalid Link RemovedInvalid Link RemovedInvalid Link Removed
 
DemntedCowboy said:
Wake-Up(0653)
Shower & Supplements

Breakfast(0715): 2 cups Coffee, 1 tsp of Creamer each Cup, 2 whole eggs fried over hard(garlic salt, cajun seasoning, ground cumin), 2 blueberry waffles, 2 hashbrowns, pancake syrup

PWO + 20mg Tbol(1146)

Warm-Up Set 60" Rest, Working Sets 45" Rest

Incline BB Press: WU-110x15,15 160x8,8,6

Flat DB Press: 55x15,15,15

Machine Bench Press: 110x25,25,20

Cable Crossover(High): 20x20,18,17

Pec Deck Flys: 110x18,18,18

Lunch(1300): 2 Meijer Three Meat French Bread Pizza's

Afternoon Snack(1800): 20mg Tbol

Dinner(1823): Bacon Wrapped Jalapeno Popper Stuffed Chicken w/Bacon Wrapped Asparagus

Pre-Bed(2130): 25mg MK677Invalid Link RemovedInvalid Link RemovedInvalid Link RemovedInvalid Link RemovedInvalid Link RemovedInvalid Link RemovedInvalid Link RemovedInvalid Link Removed
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Kroger had Smithfield bacon for $1.99 lb......stocked up. we only eat bacon 1 time a week but I love how the house just reeks of bacon when my wife is frying it...mmmm!!!
 
thebigt said:
Kroger had Smithfield bacon for $1.99 lb......stocked up. we only eat bacon 1 time a week but I love how the house just reeks of bacon when my wife is frying it...mmmm!!!
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Really? My wife was just saying she was looking for bacon on sale.
 
DC, to me your food consumption is contrary to anyone who lifts... I mean, really. Its not about tasty -or delicious, because IT IS delicious!.
People around me eat chicken and rice multiple times a day. I eat instead, cow meat...at least 2-4 pounds a day just to conserve the muscles I have.

Thing is , calories in vs calories out, ok. BUT, watch your macros!

There is nothing you can do, or say, to defend your choices. Your nutrition for bodybuilding sucks azz!

Sorry I had to say this, it is what it is.

Don't be offended, bro.

Edit: 2-3 pounds of meat.... I overreached.
 
I'm well aware that there will be a sh1t storm my way... but I REALLY am interested in seeing DC succeed.

I am not the foe here! Don't blame the Russians. Just pointing out, AGAIN, the obvious and most important....nutrition.

Staple is protein. Where is it in these pics? It should be covering 55-70% of his meals.

School me.
 
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