DCP 2.0

dsade said:
I would actually concentrate on fasting and preworkout doses. You will find the best results with those (the fasted doses will be the equivalent of a pre-bed dose, with a massive and quick shift from glycogen to fatty acids as bodyfuel.
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How important is 3 x day vs twice a day? If doing pre bed how would the overall dosing change?
 
Resolve said:
Yeah DCP on a controlled bulk, for those who've never tried it, is definitely worth doing. Nothing like recomping unexpectedly on bulking cals.
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This is what happened to me. I kept upping my calories (carbs) starting around my workouts, then extended them to other meals until I started to bloat.

Backed them off by 1 meal and off I went. I feel I was in caloric surplus by 750-850 calories (or so) and all I got was stronger. Also, some conditioning, around 60-80 mins off cardio/week. Scale didn't budge; any other time adding roughly 200g carbs/day would put me into the SHW with pure fat gain.

Also, I went 4x/day dosing, with one additional bedtime dose.
 
Swanson52 said:
This is what happened to me. I kept upping my calories (carbs) starting around my workouts, then extended them to other meals until I started to bloat.

Backed them off by 1 meal and off I went. I feel I was in caloric surplus by 750-850 calories (or so) and all I got was stronger. Also, some conditioning, around 60-80 mins off cardio/week. Scale didn't budge; any other time adding roughly 200g carbs/day would put me into the SHW with pure fat gain.

Also, I went 4x/day dosing, with one additional bedtime dose.
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So 8 caps total per day? Sounds about right - I've noticed as a bigger guy, a bigger dose improves response.
 
Resolve said:
So 8 caps total per day? Sounds about right - I've noticed as a bigger guy, a bigger dose improves response.
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Yessir, 8 caps. I know more isn't always better, but in this case I think it was for me @ 290.
 
Just ordered another bottle. Should be with me tomorrow; stacking it with Alphamine, Forkolin and Reduce XT.
 
I certainly will. The first bottle was awesome and preventing fat gain - lets see what it can do for fat loss when combined with IF.
 
saggy321 said:
I have to say that TTA never did anything for me beyond retaining water. I tried it several times, the most recent being two bottles of original DCP. However, with DCP 2.0 I have dropped around 6 lbs over a month of fat whilst eating curries, cakes, custard and chocolate!
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I have been taking DCP 2.0 and although can not compare it with original DCP, am very happy with the results I have gotten so far!!
 
jwa254 said:
I was very happy with my results as well. Though I dosed at 8 caps a day.
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I'm at 6 still and that seems to be doing well but recently bumped my calories and weight is staying the same. Might bump to 8 and see what happens :)
 
Resolve said:
I really think its pretty size dependent. 6 should be plenty for most folks - it's just us 275+ manbearpigs that need a little extra help in the flub department :D
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SPEAK FOR YOURSELF BRO IM 288 RIPPED 8% BF! ;)

Agreed.
 
EBF Inc said:
You a big dude. Nice work!!!

As for dcp I used it only pre meals with recompadrol and definitely LOvED it!

Will have to do again on a bulk.

I love mangeferin. So that sold me
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The only truth to my statement is that I'm 288. I was yankin his chain. ;)
 
testosteronet said:
I'd really like to hear some more comparisons between the original and the new and improved DCP.
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I missed this;

It's hard to compare for me, as my goals and training style are drastically different. The OG version I used while actively dieting, and on restricted calories. I feel it worked very well for this, at the time.

As I've stated, the new DCP I simply wanted to see what I could "get away with" in terms of (clean) caloric surplus without fat gain. As I've stated numerous times (which I'm sure everyone is tired of reading) it was INCREDIBLE for me. I've no doubt that if I was cutting, it'd be awesome.

However, I encourage people to not sleep on this product during a "bulk"; it allows you to loosen the macros up significantly.
 
Swanson52 said:
I missed this;

It's hard to compare for me, as my goals and training style are drastically different. The OG version I used while actively dieting, and on restricted calories. I feel it worked very well for this, at the time.

As I've stated, the new DCP I simply wanted to see what I could "get away with" in terms of (clean) caloric surplus without fat gain. As I've stated numerous times (which I'm sure everyone is tired of reading) it was INCREDIBLE for me. I've no doubt that if I was cutting, it'd be awesome.

However, I encourage people to not sleep on this product during a "bulk"; it allows you to loosen the macros up significantly.
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Thanks for your comparison!
 
I agree, I have really stepped away from counting macros (back on it tomorrow) and still down 4 pounds in 11 days.
 
Swanson52 said:
I missed this;

It's hard to compare for me, as my goals and training style are drastically different. The OG version I used while actively dieting, and on restricted calories. I feel it worked very well for this, at the time.

As I've stated, the new DCP I simply wanted to see what I could "get away with" in terms of (clean) caloric surplus without fat gain. As I've stated numerous times (which I'm sure everyone is tired of reading) it was INCREDIBLE for me. I've no doubt that if I was cutting, it'd be awesome.

However, I encourage people to not sleep on this product during a "bulk"; it allows you to loosen the macros up significantly.
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Very nice. Hopefully we get to see some winter bulking logs with DCP 2.0 soon :D
 
So at 8 pills a day I would need basically 3 bottles for 2 month run... BRB punching myself in face for skipping that initial intro sale.
 
Is it normal that DCP 2 causes bloating? I have been on original DCP for 4 weeks and last week I added DCP 2 to the mix and since starting the 2.o version I started to hold water?
 
mcgeier said:
Is it normal that DCP 2 causes bloating? I have been on original DCP for 4 weeks and last week I added DCP 2 to the mix and since starting the 2.o version I started to hold water?
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Good question, I am currently taking the 2.0 and haven't noticed any bloating myself, but I suppose everyone is different. How's your sodium intake? Are you on any other supplements currently?
 
niners4reggie said:
Good question, I am currently taking the 2.0 and haven't noticed any bloating myself, but I suppose everyone is different. How's your sodium intake? Are you on any other supplements currently?
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Iam on a cut at the moment.
My supplement regime is:
6 caps DCP
6 caps DCP 2.0
8 pumps Formasurge
1,5 gram Sesamin
3 scoops Alphamine
3 grams Fish Oil
lots of EAAs and BCAAs
only whole food no protein drinks.
Since adding the DCP 2.o I have a lot of bowl movement and keep getting bloated (especially in the stomach region)
 
mcgeier said:
Is it normal that DCP 2 causes bloating? I have been on original DCP for 4 weeks and last week I added DCP 2 to the mix and since starting the 2.o version I started to hold water?
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What's your dosage of each?
 
mcgeier said:
Is it normal that DCP 2 causes bloating? I have been on original DCP for 4 weeks and last week I added DCP 2 to the mix and since starting the 2.o version I started to hold water?
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OG DCP contains TTA in some people can hold a little water after that you will see the magic but in my case I used salvia (alone) one of the Iingredients in both versions of DCP and hold some water.
 
mcgeier said:
Is it normal that DCP 2 causes bloating? I have been on original DCP for 4 weeks and last week I added DCP 2 to the mix and since starting the 2.o version I started to hold water?
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I didn't notice any bloating with DCP 2.0, but then again, supplements have been known to affect people differently.
 
saggy321 said:
Theoretically shouldn't you hold water - isn't that one of the 'side effects' of PPA agonism?
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Yeah, TZDs often ellicit water retention... but that's more for PPARy (gamma). DSADE can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe DCP targets PPARd (delta), for which I am not familiar with literature that suggest water retention.

It could be off target effects, though - in which case, the extent will vary from user to user based on genetic differences.
 
Resolve said:
Yeah, TZDs often ellicit water retention... but that's more for PPARy (gamma). DSADE can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe DCP targets PPARd (delta), for which I am not familiar with literature that suggest water retention.

It could be off target effects, though - in which case, the extent will vary from user to user based on genetic differences.
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Plus its no biggy really. Once you stop in a matter of days your will lose the water and reveal and leaner body!
 
Resolve said:
Yeah, TZDs often ellicit water retention... but that's more for PPARy (gamma). DSADE can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe DCP targets PPARd (delta), for which I am not familiar with literature that suggest water retention.

It could be off target effects, though - in which case, the extent will vary from user to user based on genetic differences.
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I'm not D Sade but I'm very familiar with PPAR research and I have also read the new writeup on DCP 2.0.Invalid Link Removed

DCP 2.0 is an agonist of both PPAR Delta & Alpha and is an antagonist of PPAR-Gamma.

TZD's are PPAR-Gamma agonists and PPAR-Gamma agonism is known to cause water retention.

As is PPAR-Delta agonism,but to a much lesser extent.So with the antagonistic actions of DCP 2.0 on PPAR-Gamma,water retention should not be an issue.

I would look towards addresssing potassium intake,if water retention is that much of an issue.

While cutting or recomping,I believe a fair amount of water retention is a GOOD thing as one's joints are less prone to being "dried out" and thus,lessens the chance of injury from training & cardio while in a calorie deficient state.
 
Appreciate the input Colin! I also feel that some water retention to help lube the joints would be a good thing. I know with the OG DCP some users reporting cramping and an increase in water intake helped. Were there any reports of bloat with the OG DCP?
 
Since stopping version 2.o three days ago the water retention is gone. Will start adding 1 cap per day again till water retention become a problem again.
 
So it seems all the other PPAR agonists / antagonists must be contributing to the water retention. I've been using DCP 2.0 for almost four weeks and have not had any whilst I suffered badly on the original DCP/
 
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