DAA Works, If you don't make the mistake Baylor did

De__eB

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We've all seen the new study on D-AA and the subsequent bunch of anti-supplement bloggers talking about how it doesn't work.

What most people probably didn't notice is a key difference between the material used in the two studies that show it does work:

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And the one showing it does not:

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That difference being?

The studies in favor of DAA are using chelated Sodium DAA
Baylor only used straight DAA for their study

Why does this matter?

Because D-AA on its own without a mineral chelate has horrible bioavailability.

A quick survey of the nutraplanet store shows the following awesome companies that are selling the right type of DAA:

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A few brands that are selling inferior DAA:

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I believe there's a thread on here that talks about people using baking soda in their regular DAA to mimic the qualities of sodium-DAA.
 
De__eB said:
We've all seen the new study on D-AA and the subsequent bunch of anti-supplement bloggers talking about how it doesn't work.

What most people probably didn't notice is a key difference between the material used in the two studies that show it does work:

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And the one showing it does not:

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That difference being?

The studies in favor of DAA are using chelated Sodium DAA
Baylor only used straight DAA for their study

Why does this matter?

Because D-AA on its own without a mineral chelate has horrible bioavailability.

A quick survey of the nutraplanet store shows the following awesome companies that are selling the right type of DAA:

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A few brands that are selling inferior DAA:

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How do you know the brands above are using the correct type? I have AI Sports DAA and the label only says DAA
 
For AI Sports, if you look at the ingredient listing, it lists (Sodium D-Aspartic Acid).

The "sodium" is how you know it's the same as used in the study.
 
ricroc said:
For AI Sports, if you look at the ingredient listing, it lists (Sodium D-Aspartic Acid).

The "sodium" is how you know it's the same as used in the study.
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Correct, I didn't remember seeing that but I went check out and there it is.
 
De__eB said:
We've all seen the new study on D-AA and the subsequent bunch of anti-supplement bloggers talking about how it doesn't work.

What most people probably didn't notice is a key difference between the material used in the two studies that show it does work:

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And the one showing it does not:

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That difference being?

The studies in favor of DAA are using chelated Sodium DAA
Baylor only used straight DAA for their study

Why does this matter?

Because D-AA on its own without a mineral chelate has horrible bioavailability.

A quick survey of the nutraplanet store shows the following awesome companies that are selling the right type of DAA:

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A few brands that are selling inferior DAA:

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I am and continue to use DPOL - I am 46 and it absolutely blows me away how strong I get and how easy I can put on a couple of pounds of pure muscle each cycle (for me 2-3 times a year using ARA when not DPOL). So what kind of DAA is in DPOL?
 
bakerwil said:
I am and continue to use DPOL - I am 46 and it absolutely blows me away how strong I get and how easy I can put on a couple of pounds of pure muscle each cycle (for me 2-3 times a year using ARA when not DPOL). So what kind of DAA is in DPOL?
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The label doesn't specifically state which version of DAA, and since it does not, I would say that this is regular d-aspartic acid, not the sodium version.

I tried DAA last year for the first time at the age of 34. I could tell something was going on and like you, I hadn't packed on that much weight since I had been in my early 20s.

This was regular DAA, mind you.

One other thing: DAA is more beneficial to older gents than guys still in their 20s. I'd go so far as to say that once you're in your 30s, you should feel something of DAA. Some have, others have not, but the general consensus seems to be that you get more from it the older you are.
 
Dpol is sodium based
 
ricroc said:
The label doesn't specifically state which version of DAA, and since it does not, I would say that this is regular d-aspartic acid, not the sodium version.

I tried DAA last year for the first time at the age of 34. I could tell something was going on and like you, I hadn't packed on that much weight since I had been in my early 20s.

This was regular DAA, mind you.

One other thing: DAA is more beneficial to older gents than guys still in their 20s. I'd go so far as to say that once you're in your 30s, you should feel something of DAA. Some have, others have not, but the general consensus seems to be that you get more from it the older you are.
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Daa also aggregates the nmda receptors which is boss for preloading for an exam/studying aesh
 
Angelbolic said:
Link to human pharmacokinetic data please. Hint: there is none

While the Baylor didn't show a signifcant increase in serum DAA levels, they did demonstrate a significant increase in d-aspartate oxidase [DDO]. The lack of a signifcant increase in serum DAA levels in the DAA group was to be expected though. They measured it 24h after the last supplement dose and rat data indicates serum DAA returns to baseline in 24-48h. The DDO increase indicates at least part of the DAA made it into systemic circulation.

Your comments about DAA's horrible bioavailability and the existence of [pharmacodynamically] superior forms is mere speculation and even bordering wishful thinking if you ask me. I think the conclusions of the Baylor researchers are most consistent with the evidence.
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And yet their study specifically used a different form of DAA than both prior human studies and was designed to prove a hypothesis that it DOESN'T work, as opposed to rationally basing their hypothesis on the two prior studies showing that it does?

DDO being elevated does not in itself demonstrate in any way that the D-Aspartate was absorbed to the extent needed to potentially affect the HPTA, and they admit this in the study when discussing this.
 
na, daa works. everyone not on the internet I know that have used it have experienced syptoms of increased testosterone.

is this increase enough to cause you to be any where close to supraphysiological dosages of testosterone? nope.

now how long these effects last in users, well, it seems to vary. from anecdotal evidence, I feel it should be cycled for optimal results.
 
Angelbolic said:
And neither does any of this demonstrate DAA has horrible bioavailability, let alone that other forms are pharmacodynamically superior.

You make potentially valid initial points in your OP, but the conclusions you draw from them are mere speculation IMO.

I hope more studies are underway to settle this debate.
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What other forms are you talking about? NMDA?
 
I mentioned this before in a thread and no one cared they just kept rambling on about how DAA doesn't work and maybe it doesn't. However sodium and the other chelated version do work
 
De__eB said:
We've all seen the new study on D-AA and the subsequent bunch of anti-supplement bloggers talking about how it doesn't work.

What most people probably didn't notice is a key difference between the material used in the two studies that show it does work:

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And the one showing it does not:

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That difference being?

The studies in favor of DAA are using chelated Sodium DAA
Baylor only used straight DAA for their study

Why does this matter?

Because D-AA on its own without a mineral chelate has horrible bioavailability.

A quick survey of the nutraplanet store shows the following awesome companies that are selling the right type of DAA:

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A few brands that are selling inferior DAA:

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Excellent post. SNS has quality DAA for a very cost friendly price. Best raws at the lowest buck.
 
How do you dose baking soda with normal ****ty DAA?

Can I cook up some daa crack?
 
DAA works. I used it over a year ago and something was going on. Pumps were awesome in the gym, and strength increased at an impressive rate. Libido went up the first couple weeks, then plummeted. I used NP bulk. Now I wonder if this sodium based DAA would deliver even more so...
 
warbird01 said:
How do you dose baking soda with normal ****ty DAA?

Can I cook up some daa crack?
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Yup, I been slinging daarack on the corner in the locker room for a a while now.

People be like, "yo, I got these cheese burgers man , come on yo, I'll suck yo...."

You know wha I'm sayin yo?
 
The fact that DAA oxidase was elevated in the supplementation group shows that DAA reached the bloodstream, aka it was absorbed, aka bioavailability was not the sole issue (though I surmise it is markedly reduced in bulk). The study as a whole strikes me as odd, but the proper conclusion, IMO, is not that the form of DAA was wrong.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
The fact that DAA oxidase was elevated in the supplementation group shows that DAA reached the bloodstream, aka it was absorbed, aka bioavailability was not the sole issue (though I surmise it is markedly reduced in bulk). The study as a whole strikes me as odd, but the proper conclusion, IMO, is not that the form of DAA was wrong.
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So what your saying is use Hcg as a test booster instead?
 
Angelbolic said:
And neither does any of this demonstrate DAA has horrible bioavailability, let alone that other forms are pharmacodynamically superior.

You make potentially valid initial points in your OP, but the conclusions you draw from them are mere speculation IMO.

I hope more studies are underway to settle this debate.
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Bioavailability perhaps the wrong word, rapidly metabolized perhaps more appropriate?

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warbird01 said:
How do you dose baking soda with normal ****ty DAA?
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1. Add baking soda to water.
2. Mix.
3. Put DAA in mouth.
4. Wash down with mixture of baking soda and water.

Reportedly, efficacy is increased if administered while wearing a kilt, but YMMV.

This is far preferred over the "enema protocol".
 
De__eB said:
Sounds like a company saying 'hey, there's a reason PA introduced chelated DAA to the market and not straight DAA'
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Had blood work done 7 days into using NP's bulk DAA (did not plan on getting blood work done) and showed an increase in T levels. Checked again 2 weeks after I had stopped taking it, levels back down.
 
Chefdeez said:
Had blood work done 7 days into using NP's bulk DAA (did not plan on getting blood work done) and showed an increase in T levels. Checked again 2 weeks after I had stopped taking it, levels back down.
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3 days is what i believe i've read for your baseline to go back to normal, but i've seen on this place ppl say otherwise
 
Young Gotti said:
3 days is what i believe i've read for your baseline to go back to normal, but i've seen on this place ppl say otherwise
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Seems about right. I think DAA does increase total T but personally I don't think it enhances performance that much if at all IMO.
 
Chefdeez said:
Seems about right. I think DAA does increase total T but personally I don't think it enhances performance that much if at all IMO.
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i share the same view....i don't even use daa anymore because it doesn't do anything for me in terms of gym results, makes for a good laxative though
 
I find that I feel a definite increase in aggression, overall energy levels, and motivation while on DAA. I'm 30 years old though maybe my natural T is starting to drop.
 
De__eB said:
We've all seen the new study on D-AA and the subsequent bunch of anti-supplement bloggers talking about how it doesn't work.

What most people probably didn't notice is a key difference between the material used in the two studies that show it does work:

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And the one showing it does not:

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That difference being?

The studies in favor of DAA are using chelated Sodium DAA
Baylor only used straight DAA for their study

Why does this matter?

Because D-AA on its own without a mineral chelate has horrible bioavailability.

A quick survey of the nutraplanet store shows the following awesome companies that are selling the right type of DAA:

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A few brands that are selling inferior DAA:

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how about finaflex puretest? Is that the sh1t kind? i bought it because it was 9 bucks
 
JD261985 said:
I mentioned this before in a thread and no one cared they just kept rambling on about how DAA doesn't work and maybe it doesn't. However sodium and the other chelated version do work
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sounds like the old trib bs. Oh it works you just have to have the "right" kind
 
Beau said:
1. Add baking soda to water.
2. Mix.
3. Put DAA in mouth.
4. Wash down with mixture of baking soda and water.

Reportedly, efficacy is increased if administered while wearing a kilt, but YMMV.

This is far preferred over the "enema protocol".
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Speak for yourself
 
I wis h i didnt buy the sh1t kind id rather not take it with baking soda especially since i got pills. Everytime i cheap out its always something
 
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