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anyone know if I could use this stuff without cycling and without any suppression.
hes on PHF... i used testforce and i used regular nutra daa... testforce was better imo...How can I contact PA. I was actually using his product. Btw for anyone who has used other Daa's in the market, are they as good.
Yes I used Testforce 6 grams a day and a very high dose of Tongkat Ali Which gave me some serious insominia but was well worth it. I could get a copy of my lab work and try to post it up. Current test level over 800. Btw I cycled DAA with tongkat for a few months and now im over a month on phytoserms 3 caps a day. Will be doing more blood work in 2 weeks. Libido strong on the phytoserms but strength was higher on DAA/Tongkat. Maybe because the have life of Depo Test is long which i believe its only 6-days but was adding extra reps each week after the test. Im also on Synthroid for Hypothyroidism which shouldn't have anything to do with it and I did increase my fats.hes on PHF... i used testforce and i used regular nutra daa... testforce was better imo...
but let me get this straight.. u went on hrt for 3 months... then came off hrt and used daa to get ur test back up within normal range?
Will do.I would like to see both the past, and the upcoming blood work if you find the time.
TCF-1 is a great product but it does not fully address the NMDA receptor like Test Force 2 or Applied Lit-up. I would recommend stacking TCF-1 with TMG.Our Testosterone Conversion Factor-1 is very popular and effective. You should switch out Test Force 2 with TCF-1 sometime and see how you like the difference.
yah I'm actually switching between lit-up and tcf-1 as my main source of DAA and I can say for sure lit-up works faster.TCF-1 is a great product but it does not fully address the NMDA receptor like Test Force 2 or Applied Lit-up. I would recommend stacking TCF-1 with TMG.
Thank you swollen, you said exactly what i was thinking:bling:so i got to co-sign.i love how all these threads turn into a primordial performance promotion...
instead of posting studies/reasons why DAA should or shouldnt be used long term w/o cycling all i see is a rep trying to push thier product.... WTF
if we wanna use your product, well buy it ... no need to litter EVERY thread with "buy our product"
just venting
can you explain this a little more?NMDA receptors are involved with central connections and such things as long term potentiation. you may be making changes or causing some type of hypersensitivty you may or may not want (just my theory)
link?Not to burst anyone's bubble...but there have been a few studies that show long term DAA dosing can cause suppression.
from what i can remember, NMDA receptors are involved on postsynaptic terminals of CNS nerve synapses. These receptors are invovled in normal synapses, but when a hyperactive stimulus occurs, a change in response can result, something along the lines of change in membrane potential like making it more sensitive, therefore changing the response of some type of CNS connection. This change is called long term potentiation, and is relatively a permanent change.can you explain this a little more?
Yes, E-Pharm's label (TestForce2) right on the bottle advocates continuous usage to 'maintain peak' levels.I know one company doesn't have a problem with indefinite use but i wouldn't go 8 weeks without a break
Long term potentiation and depression are collectively termed plasticity. They themselves are not a permanent change, but induce strengthening and pruning of synaptic connections through NMDA receptors with the help of AMPA receptors as well. This process does not equal excitotoxicity however. I get what you're saying, but using DAA as a supplement will not cause this.from what i can remember, NMDA receptors are involved on postsynaptic terminals of CNS nerve synapses. These receptors are invovled in normal synapses, but when a hyperactive stimulus occurs, a change in response can result, something along the lines of change in membrane potential like making it more sensitive, therefore changing the response of some type of CNS connection. This change is called long term potentiation, and is relatively a permanent change.
i'll have to look at my notes for exact mechanisms, i don't have time for that.
whether this mechanism is activated at the level of the pituitary where DAA works, I do not know.
whether it causes enough hyperactivity, I do not know.
the above mechanism uses glutamate as a neurotransmitter. Wether DAA is capable of doing this, I do not know.
I can only hypothesize.
yo, can u 2 keep talking about this so we can continue learningLong term potentiation and depression are collectively termed plasticity. They themselves are not a permanent change, but induce strengthening and pruning of synaptic connections through NMDA receptors with the help of AMPA receptors as well. This process does not equal excitotoxicity however. I get what you're saying, but using DAA as a supplement will not cause this.
^^thatyo, can u 2 keep talking about this so we can continue learning
Agreed...Just logged it. Still both are heads above regular DAAyah I'm actually switching between lit-up and tcf-1 as my main source of DAA and I can say for sure lit-up works faster.
Pasak bumi 200:1 300mgs 4 caps a dayWhich tongkat did you use?
Sorry, I didn't mean to hijack the thread earlier. My opinion is that you can use DAA and if it works to get your test up, then great. The only reason I would see why to cycle it is simply because your body will acclimate like it will with anything.i don't really have any other input.
i guess you could build off the use of adding agmatine supplements to stimulate AMPA receptors, which would, correct me if i'm wrong (don't have my notes with me), remove the magnesium block from NMDA receptor allowing a calcium influx.
however, Dr. H advises not to use these in conjunction.
alekandar seems to know more about these than I.
What would be the TD50 for oral ingestion of DAA in regards to neural toxicity?Sorry, I didn't mean to hijack the thread earlier. My opinion is that you can use DAA and if it works to get your test up, then great. The only reason I would see why to cycle it is simply because your body will acclimate like it will with anything.
I don't really see any harm with respect to NMDA/AMPA receptors or any form of excitoxicity. Glycine will induce removal of the Mg block if you really think this is an issue.
The TD50 I wouldn't know. I guess my point is more that yes, DAA is the DA in NMDA, BUT just because you supply the building blocks doesn't mean the house gets built you know? But I could be wrong. This is just my opinion based on what I've read. My personal research involves nitric oxide regulation of glutamatergic pathways, so I can speak on agmatine.What would be the TD50 for oral ingestion of DAA in regards to neural toxicity?
Do you think supplementing with agmatine and DAA would be more efficacious than DAA alone do to the relationship of the receptors?
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/male-anti-aging/77124-non-steroid-trt.htmlMy reasoning for wanting to take this for so long is because it saved me from having to be on HRT for the rest of my life. I was at 260 total test then started HRT for 3 months then decided to take a risk with supplements to see if I can maintain a normal T level for my age and the damn thing worked. I also stacked it with the good old tongkat. I know tongkat has to be cycled because there definitely is tolerance issues. But not sure about amino acids.
So as long as there's no breast milk I'm good?So ongoing DAA administration seems to be fine in theory, as long as estrogen and prolactin are both monitored?
I was told that you can counter prolactin with L-dopaThere are several bloods over at PHF on DAA cycles. DAA elevates T but it also elevates E2 as well. The problem from the bloods that I've seen is the T/E ratio while on DAA is adversely affected. Prolaction elevation long term is also a problem. Dr. H is running DAA continuously for a year and will be tracking blood parameters. A year is a long time to wait for a definitive answer to all of these issues.
Correct and P5P works as well.I was told that you can counter prolactin with L-dopa
My last Tren Acetate cycle I used P-5-P to counter Prolactin, this go 'round I'm using L-Dopa, seems to be working excellent thus far, but it's only been 2 weeks.I was told that you can counter prolactin with L-dopa
How many grams Ldopa?My last Tren Acetate cycle I used P-5-P to counter Prolactin, this go 'round I'm using L-Dopa, seems to be working excellent thus far, but it's only been 2 weeks.
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