Clomid during cycle

If real osta I would take it, but again I don't think I had real osta for a couple years. Lol
 
I concur on sarm companies selling chit, but I think osta is bad nonetheless. Very toxic for the liver.

But still, can somebody explain how LH can be high and TT zero? It just seems like taking sarms is a big risk bc we don't know long term sides...
 
Jinsun said:
I concur on sarm companies selling chit, but I think osta is bad nonetheless. Very toxic for the liver.

But still, can somebody explain how LH can be high and TT zero? It just seems like taking sarms is a big risk bc we don't know long term sides...
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This is a totally uneducated wild guess, but maaaaaaaybe the receptors in the testes, that LH binds to to cause testosterone production (leydig cells maybe) are occupied and de-activated by the SARM..

BUT, hiddengains was on LGD for 3 months, with nolva for the last few weeks, and had T in normal range on cycle. Explain that.
 
CatSnake said:
I recall reading a while back that tamoxifen can upregulate the progesterone receptor, which could be really bad while on a 19-nor based steroid.

in that case, I would absolutely not use this, as well. not to mention the suppressive effects of stuff like nandrolone need to be managed a lot more aggressively...
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Not sure on this. However, would never recommend nolva for most anything anyways. For are purposes there are much better options then nolva
 
CatSnake said:
I recall reading a while back that tamoxifen can upregulate the progesterone receptor, which could be really bad while on a 19-nor based steroid.

in that case, I would absolutely not use this, as well. not to mention the suppressive effects of stuff like nandrolone need to be managed a lot more aggressively...
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Also you would still ruin a true and aggressive PCT after the cycle.
 
rtmilburn said:
Not sure on this. However, would never recommend nolva for most anything anyways. For are purposes there are much better options then nolva
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I'm pretty sure tore, nolva and ralox all activate the Pr receptor. not sure about clomid.

but I'm not recommending their use with a 19-nor, either, so I don't really NEED to know....
 
RickyBlobby said:
This is a totally uneducated wild guess, but maaaaaaaybe the receptors in the testes, that LH binds to to cause testosterone production (leydig cells maybe) are occupied and de-activated by the SARM..

BUT, hiddengains was on LGD for 3 months, with nolva for the last few weeks, and had T in normal range on cycle. Explain that.
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maybe? but I think LH would be really high then, like when we see in guys with low T due to injuries to the testes....

I wonder if the LGD he used was actually LGD? even "normal" doses of that knock total T down pretty quick....

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or, your theory might be legit.
 
CatSnake said:
maybe? but I think LH would be really high then, like when we see in guys with low T due to injuries to the testes....

I wonder if the LGD he used was actually LGD? even "normal" doses of that knock total T down pretty quick....

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or, your theory might be legit.
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Not sure if it was legit LGD. You would think if it was bunk he would not have stayed on for 3 months, but who knows. And his total T was at the lower end of the normal range, like 430 or something, so you would suspect some suppression based on that number. But no pre-cycle bloods that I know about so who knows?
 
Lgd supresses hard, 100% shuttdown at BB doses. So does osta and all other sarms. This is why I see little reason to actually use sarms. Granted if lgd isn't liver toxic then it might be a good alternative to var or maybe tbol...
 
So I had originally intended to run a SERM + low dose var but finding a reputable US source has been a giant hurdle. Alas, what would the ideal compound(s) be to run along with the SERM? Assuming that phs and sarms are the only viable options really.
 
I would really like to see a 400mg primo only plus serm cycle bloods.

If you are set on orals then go with tbol.
 
Wildcat528 said:
So I had originally intended to run a SERM + low dose var but finding a reputable US source has been a giant hurdle. Alas, what would the ideal compound(s) be to run along with the SERM? Assuming that phs and sarms are the only viable options really.
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Tbol
 
RickyBlobby said:
Not sure if it was legit LGD. You would think if it was bunk he would not have stayed on for 3 months, but who knows. And his total T was at the lower end of the normal range, like 430 or something, so you would suspect some suppression based on that number. But no pre-cycle bloods that I know about so who knows?
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did he happen to say what his E2 was? if it was legit LGD, I would assume that would have to be next to nothing....
 
Starting my Anavar&Clomid cycle tomorrow, I might do bloods tomorrow as well, will update with results if anyone cares.
 
CatSnake said:
it actually keeps testosterone production going to a degree, since the HCG actually forces the testes to produce, hence them remaining active and not atrophying....
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What ever, I won’t use it anyway so it’s pointless to talk about it with me.
 
rtmilburn said:
Really gonna make fun of Grammer? This is a forum bro. I work 40 hours a week and I'm going to college. I'm not going to waste the time caring how my grammar is, especially on simple post like that.
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That's just a sorry excuse for you being very ****ing stupid .College ? Must be some ****ty college .
 
Irish Red said:
That's just a sorry excuse for you being very ****ing stupid .College ? Must be some ****ty college .
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No there is a thing called autocorrect. It likes to changed what you type. And I'm not waiting my time to proof read, sorry.

Now can you not be rude. It is off putting for people who want/need learn. Making them go to a forum with less knowledge.
 
rtmilburn said:
Really gonna make fun of Grammer? This is a forum bro. I work 40 hours a week and I'm going to college. I'm not going to waste the time caring how my grammar is, especially on simple post like that.
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Quit being a retard and learn to type, dummy... Lol just kidding. Im about to feel your pain. College starts in less than 2 weeks for me and i picked up an afternoon job cause my class schedule eliminates my other job. Only difference is im married with 4 kids so its gonna be tough
 
christ83189 said:
Quit being a retard and learn to type, dummy... Lol just kidding. Im about to feel your pain. College starts in less than 2 weeks for me and i picked up an afternoon job cause my class schedule eliminates my other job. Only difference is im married with 4 kids so its gonna be tough
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I applaud the effort, bro! Hard work and trying to better yourself is always rewarding in and of itself, regardless of the eventual outcome.
 
Irish Red said:
That's just a sorry excuse for you being very ****ing stupid .College ? Must be some ****ty college .
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What I’ve been enjoying most about AM this year, is this kind of condescending trash talk is so limited right now. There’s a good bunch of guys with respect and comradery regardless of disagreements or differing opinions, or even decades more experience and knowledge than others. I promise you, RT doesn’t want to fight with you over whatever you guys are arguing about. There’s good guys on here that will jump at the chance to be helpful to each other. Let’s keep it that way bro. ✌️
 
Irish Red said:
That's just a sorry excuse for you being very ****ing stupid .College ? Must be some ****ty college .
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wtf lol.... literally he makes a typo and you come at his neck and insult him. I could only imagine how awkward of a person you are irl. Social skills just isnt for everyone I guess.

*threw in a lil something in my post just to raise your blood pressure a bit :D*
 
rowz4broz said:
wtf lol.... literally he makes a typo and you come at his neck and insult him. I could only imagine how awkward of a person you are irl. Social skills just isnt for everyone I guess.

*threw in a lil something in my post just to raise your blood pressure a bit :D*
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Lol good one
 
rtmilburn said:
We got some good guys on this forum and that is what I really love about AM more than anywhere else
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Working on average 53 hours a week and taking two courses and still getting a lift in everyday... so I feel your struggle bro. Grind now and enjoy later is what’s keeping me pushing through
 
Matthersby said:
What I’ve been enjoying most about AM this year, is this kind of condescending trash talk is so limited right now. There’s a good bunch of guys with respect and comradery regardless of disagreements or differing opinions, or even decades more experience and knowledge than others. I promise you, RT doesn’t want to fight with you over whatever you guys are arguing about. There’s good guys on here that will jump at the chance to be helpful to each other. Let’s keep it that way bro. ✌️
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Well your physique sucks and your mom’s the worst!

Not like me; I’m a real saVAGe bro

We have had a good run lately with less internet tough-guys and more people trying to be helpful. But somebody has gotta be a troll I suppose; might as well be him.
 
Fukkin up this lovely thread with some BS. SMH
 
rowz4broz said:
wtf lol.... literally he makes a typo and you come at his neck and insult him. I could only imagine how awkward of a person you are irl. Social skills just isnt for everyone I guess.

*threw in a lil something in my post just to raise your blood pressure a bit :D*
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No moron . All I wrote was " For ARE purposes ? Lol " . And then the dude lying about being in college reacted like I insulted him when I did not . So then I figured if he's going to act like I insulted when I didn't , I might as well insult him . I wouldn't have if he just left my comment be . Dude's in college and doesn't even know to use a question mark when asking a question and doesn't even know the difference between " are " and " our " ? Lol.. Also , I'm just having FUN , you sour pusses . Are we men or a bunch over-sensitive pansies ? There was no hate or anger in anything I wrote . Also , not everyone lives by the same social norms . There could be things that you might say " oh you can't say that " , and people like me reply with " NO ...................... YOU can't say that " . Lol . I have no problem saying whatever I feel like . Or maybe I'm just a rude Yank ......................... American . Lol
For the record , "imput " was a typo . The " m " is right next to the " n " . No excuse for typing " are " when trying to say " OUR " . Lol . That does not classify as a typo . So someone here is so stupid they don't even know what a typo is .
 
First week of my Var&Clomid cycle, nothing really out of the ordinary to report, more than I been more thirsty than usual. I have lifted really good this week, trying to gain as much strength as possible to get to my goal of 4 plates on all major lifts, I’m in LA until next weekend so I’ll be lifting at Gold’s and you guys know that lifting there makes you 20% stronger so it should be a good week ;)
 
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