Clomid during cycle

joe123! said:
Dude, 114. Is horrible. Your testosterone is basically dropping to the level of 100-year-old man. For real, you'll be on TRT for life if you keep cycling like that.
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Any cycle can do that. ....
 
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TMan86 said:
Just finished 25mg Ostarine 8 week cycle, pre test bloods where 550 which is around my normal range.
Had bloods taken few days after cycle ended, 114 test. Doing 25 mg clomid for a few weeks than my Dr is sending me for more blood work.

My dr is aware of my AAS use and gives me bloods, SERMS whatever I am needed. May try clomid towards tail end of next cycle see if that helps suppression.
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All the pages in this thread, and you still chase a unicorn that starting Clomid towards the end of a cycle would bring your test levels back while on cycle.

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joe123! said:
I guess everyone's different, my test is never been that low after a run.
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It definitely varies by individual, cycle, and cycle length.

I Really should have said, "Any cycle Can do that".

I've seen guys run really LIGHT cycles, and Trash their Test.

:-)
 
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Renew1 said:
It definitely varies by individual, cycle, and cycle length.

I Really should have said, "Any cycle Can do that".

I've seen guys run really LIGHT cycles, and Trash their Test.

:)
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I agree, never know. After this recent thread I bet we're going to see "verify my PCT" post that look like this...

Andros/SARMs week 1-8
Week 4-8 - 25mg clomid
Week 9-12 - 50 mg clomid
 
8 weeks, at a decent dose of a sarm…

Personally, I would have started the serm the day after the cycle…Not wait around with low t…and possibly lose any progress.

Ostarine ain’t worth that suppression, I can tell ya that!
 
Rad83 said:
8 weeks, at a decent dose of a sarm…

Personally, I would have started the serm the day after the cycle…Not wait around with low t…and possibly lose any progress.

Ostarine ain’t worth that suppression, I can tell ya that!
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Yep my bloods where taken less than 48 hours after my cycle & started clomid right after my bloods. I have done multiple cycles in the past and being in the 100s is not abnormal for me post cycle I bounce back very quickly on clomid. Everybody is different.
Getting more bloods done in 4 weeks I will be in the 650-800 range guaranteed.

Agreed Osta is not worth the suppression for very very minimal gains/hardening I just wanted to try a sarm see how they compare.
 
joe123! said:
I agree, never know. After this recent thread I bet we're going to see "verify my PCT" post that look like this...

Andros/SARMs week 1-8
Week 4-8 - 25mg clomid
Week 9-12 - 50 mg clomid
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Did you get bloodwork done during this cycle, and what andros/sarms did you run with the clomid?
 
50Magnum said:
Did you get bloodwork done during this cycle, and what andros/sarms did you run with the clomid?
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It was only an example, which is why I mentioned, " I bet we're going to see "verify my PCT" post that look like..."

On another note, I did have bloods pulled before and after 3-weeks on clomid and my total t went from 398 to 997.
 
Spurfy said:
No need. Torem is almost as potent for gyno as ralox.
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if you were using clomid for a month and wanted to switch to torem, how would you make the switch? Any weaning off slowly or just discontinue immediately and jump into a full dose of torem?
 
tstrogo93 said:
if you were using clomid for a month and wanted to switch to torem, how would you make the switch? Any weaning off slowly or just discontinue immediately and jump into a full dose of torem?
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Not spurfy, but yes this is what I would do. Just drop the one & begin the other simultaneously.
 
gphagan1 said:
That’s cool you showed up…. I was telling a guy the other day about the good information you posted about Creatine with Anavar.😎👍
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And I was thinking (and telling someone the other day) that I THOUGHT that @Spurfy had talked about a synergy between caffeine and Anavar. .... But I Could be mistaken.
:)
 
Renew1 said:
And I was thinking (and telling someone the other day) that I THOUGHT that @Spurfy had talked about a synergy between caffeine and Anavar. .... But I Could be mistaken.
:)
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I never was able to hypothesize a precise mechanism, but it was that questionable creatine-increases-DHT study, combined with Var’s unique interaction with AR and ATP production, that initially piqued my interest.

Obv any AAS is going to significant increase skeletal muscle nutrient uptake, including creatine, and promote increased glycogen storage, but the combination of creatine/Var, observationally at least, just seems to me to exhibit true synergy, which is actually quite rare in pharmacology. Most of the time things are just additive.
 
Renew1 said:
And I was thinking (and telling someone the other day) that I THOUGHT that @Spurfy had talked about a synergy between caffeine and Anavar. .... But I Could be mistaken.
:)
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Years before Dave Asprey and Rhonda Patrick ever touched the topic, @Spurfy already had us loading hot coffee with higher doses of creatine.

He taught us that properly taking Anavar will result in acute anabolic effects, positioning the compound in its right place as a very safe highly anabolic agent.

And his takes on Toremifene basically saved my life a year ago.

Many more..
 
EddyStarkFit said:
He taught us that properly taking Anavar will result in acute anabolic effects, positioning the compound in its right place as a very safe highly anabolic agent.
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I like Spurfy & I certainly like Anavar - it’s basically the only oral I will consider taking longer than 10 days (as it is much kinder on my gut than others), and we use it significantly with my wife. It’s a terrific PED for a variety of purposes.

But I just want to state that an oral AAS that definitively skews lipids should not be considered entirely “safe”. There will be some amount of impact to cardiovascular health longterm depending on response, so that still needs to be considered when implementing. It’s not a free lunch.
 
Hyde said:
I like Spurfy & I certainly like Anavar - it’s basically the only oral I will consider taking longer than 10 days (as it is much kinder on my gut than others), and we use it significantly with my wife. It’s a terrific PED for a variety of purposes.

But I just want to state that an oral AAS that definitively skews lipids should not be considered entirely “safe”. There will be some amount of impact to cardiovascular health longterm depending on response, so that still needs to be considered when implementing. It’s not a free lunch.
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This is a very good point.

Torem helps mitigate Anavar’s lowering of HDL—especially combined with niacin.

But your point still stands: nothing is truly “safe” to use.
 
Spurfy said:
This is a very good point.

Torem helps mitigate Anavar’s lowering of HDL—especially combined with niacin.

But your point still stands: nothing is truly “safe” to use.
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I don't remember ever looking into Torem helping with HDL. I'll have to check it out.
Thanks.
 
Hyde said:
I like Spurfy & I certainly like Anavar - it’s basically the only oral I will consider taking longer than 10 days (as it is much kinder on my gut than others), and we use it significantly with my wife. It’s a terrific PED for a variety of purposes.

But I just want to state that an oral AAS that definitively skews lipids should not be considered entirely “safe”. There will be some amount of impact to cardiovascular health longterm depending on response, so that still needs to be considered when implementing. It’s not a free lunch.
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My buddy is on test, EQ, NPP and var right now. Has been on the var for 7 weeks when he got bloods done and they looked great compared to similar past runs. He's using SLU, niacin and metformin (not specifically for this pourpose) but undeniable the effect it's having on keeping cholesterol in a good range. I'm not sure what week he's on now but he left it in because blood were good (and the var is from a his stash he's used on previous cycles). My next cycle has winni in it and I'm already using SLU and metformin so I'm gonna add the niacin and see what happens.

@Spurfy
With the torem is there a risk of blood clots like other serms? I guess because oral use is typically short it wouldn't matter using it for short periods of time, but in general, does it appear to have the same risks when used longer term? I generally try to keep a serm out unless I absolutely need it, usually if I need a serm it's for gyno once or twice a year for a month or so
 
Smont said:
My buddy is on test, EQ, NPP and var right now. Has been on the var for 7 weeks when he got bloods done and they looked great compared to similar past runs. He's using SLU, niacin and metformin (not specifically for this pourpose) but undeniable the effect it's having on keeping cholesterol in a good range. I'm not sure what week he's on now but he left it in because blood were good (and the var is from a his stash he's used on previous cycles). My next cycle has winni in it and I'm already using SLU and metformin so I'm gonna add the niacin and see what happens.
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Niacin at proper doses never meaningfully improved my HDL during a blast on my own bloods, especially not enough to warrant the insane itching & flushing at the doses research indicates. But more importantly, meta-analysis has shown that although Niacin can improves lipids, it does not have a positive impact on mortality. It’s a bloodwork parlor trick. On the other hand, it definitely can negatively impact the liver with significant usage.

At the end of 5 weeks of 50mg Var, with my oil peaking at 700 test e and 300 deca I believe the last few weeks before a meet, my HDL was something like mid-20s. LDL around 130. (Note that oil was previously mainly 6-800mg total/wk of test, mast & deca for most of the prep). This was on 5mg Ezetimibe, 30-60mg Raloxifene, and unmitigated estrogen (all of which would improve lipid profile). Plus usual suspects like citrus bergamot, fish oil/krill, etc. I’d say those are acceptable for the final period approaching competition, but I definitely don’t want to spend my off-season with HDL in the 20s while LDL is over 100.

His anecdote & mine are good to hear, but the takeaway is always get bloods to see how YOU are affected by what you take.
 
Renew1 said:
Specifically Torem .... Or do you just prefer it?
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I’ve seen positive benefits using Ralox and Tamox as well, things always seem better than not using. I suspect partially because of the drug itself, but also definitely because you can then let e2 run higher (which also promotes better HDL).

I haven’t used any SERM on cycle in a few years, but just sharing experience. Usually now I just use some mast, primo, Exemestane, or currently experimenting with EQ in balance with testosterone I find manageable.
 
Renew1 said:
Specifically Torem .... Or do you just prefer it?
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I prefer Torem because it seems to be the most potent at antagonizing negative feedback inhibition and because (for me) it lacks any psychological side effects.

But all SERMS have a tendency to shift lipids to a more favorable profile due to their agonist action at hepatic E2 receptors.
 
Spurfy said:
I prefer Torem because it seems to be the most potent at antagonizing negative feedback inhibition and because (for me) it lacks any psychological side effects.

But all SERMS have a tendency to shift lipids to a more favorable profile due to their agonist action at hepatic E2 receptors.
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Anything against using Raloxifene (30-60mg) to go along with TRT for the long term?

I was originally prescribed Clomid (10mg), but due to those pesky estrogenic mood issues I got in the past while dosing a little higher and also for the potential for vision impairment I opted out of it.

Considering there is no Toremifene or Enclomiphene available (here), which would be my first and second choice respectively.
 
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