What is not true about what I said? The human study by medical professionals showing hormone levels in response to SERM administration? My comment that the variation of price of research SERMs is negligible in America? Or the fact that Torem is good for the prostate?
That clomid is the king of hpta..
But it is
I'm not gonna argue with you.. If you wanna do clomid torem or Nolva it's up to you.
Look I don’t have a horse in this race; I’m not getting reimbursed for anyone using Clomid lol. I am just telling you that the studies I saw showed Clomid to work about 10-15% better to stimulate LH (not mg for mg, just at clinical doses).
I don't know what that study is but from all I've read it's the opposite. I respect your opinion and I'll let you decide for yourself
Reading comprehension has escaped you i see. No where did i ask for money for my cycle. Someone mentioned we should think about starting a pool so we can get more bloodwork examples before, on, and after prior to pct bloodwork. If you followed this thread i planned on doing bloodwork regardless.
Who knows but he was advertising in his sig looking for clients.
How about everyone in this thread start a “go fund me” page just so everyone can run cycles with blood work, seems like a great idea and totally legit, it’ll be 100% honest.
Honestly I don't see a reason for this negativity and mocking. Sponsoring blood's could be a good way for us to make some serious insights into the protocols we are talking about. I'm sure we'll get the results one way or another, but this way it would be more systematic. I'm just surprised that almost nobdy is doing bloods and all are just going by feel. Surprised how little people care about them selfs...
True. I’ll do blood work this week which will be my last week on, I’m doing it for myself but will post it here for anyone that’s interested, plus, I’m paying for it by myself, I do not expect for a bunch of strangers to pay for me and I would never ask for it.
Yeah but he does have a point. The idea is great but you can't trust people over the internet cause there will be no consequences.
^This^
And people can always still contribute after bloods are posted - helping reimburse as opposed to initially pay.
Yeah, even less if there's 10 or more people.
BumpJust got this PM, made my day
Hey brother. Running my second cycle of h-drol. Based on some of your posts, I am running 20mg torem ed. It has made a HUGE difference in how I feel.
First time, by week four, the boys were sore, and starting to atrophy. Five weeks in now, none of those symptoms have come up. Libido is through the roof, and no lethargy.
Just wanted to say thanks for the advice.
Probably a lot better to start a week or two before the cycle. It's a lot harder to restart hpta once it's down. Also 4ad is testosterone, so that combined with other aas you are taking is most likely to much to keep the hpta alive with a serm.
Figured as much. I’ll ride it out for a few weeks. I survived months on a few hours of sleep a night(had a newborn and worked 2nd shift) so the lethargy ain’t ****. Haha
Don’t forget I was on 350mg dbol and 400mg primo and clomid kept my test at 450 on week 10. What I’m getting at is it seems to work even on a pretty stout cycle.
God damn that’s crazy. See any benefit to adding it to the last few weeks of a cycle to jumpstart pct?
From what i’ve Seen the benifits to doing this are minimal. Once shut down you’re kinda screwed it seems
Thanks for the help. This was my last go round without a needle but if I do run just orals I’ll definitely get it poppin with some Clomid haha.
Well you know...exceptions don't confirm the rule
50mg dbol is a lot, 400 primo not so much but enough to suppress. God knows what went in your body at that time, but I presume that for most, 50mg dbol would be enough to cause shuttdown all in by itself... And I still haven't heard from anybody that having a serm while on test kept theirs hpta alive. It seems that orals, especially dht based are less suppressive then test.
It worked for me lol.
Wait. I'm not arguing anything. I was actually giving you props homie.
I've ran nolva on cycle and I didn't see any testical change. But I'm completely shut down from blasting and cruising.
It worked for you in that particular scenario
maybe something was fake or underdosed, or maybe it was just a unique situation to which your body reacted in a specific way and just might differ 100% for other people. You know what I'm saying. I feel your enthusiasm, but it's kinda dangerous to leave statements like this without some counters. Others might read to much into it and fu*k them selfs up with some weird cycles.
Nice! You did them while still on or in pct?I just did my blood work
7 weeks of Var&Clomid. “Feel” wise I feel good with no noticeable sides, let’s see what the blood work says, wish my luck!
Well I got gyno, so the dbol was definitely legit. Plenty of good reviews on PM about the primo too. And if it was all bunk my test would have been a lot higher on clomid.It worked for you in that particular scenario
No one has really stepped forward as a test subject. I have offered a bottle of clomid and would probably put 20 towards bloodwork for the right candidate.
Clomid might be a bit better at protecting the HTPA. I'd be willing to chip in if you promised to do bloods.
I’m still on, I have 1 more day left of Var, I think this is the best time to do it to see if this works. I’m planning on stay on Clomid for another month so I should be good either way but let’s see what the blood work say.
Perfect! Re clomid: tbh if your hpta will be semi operationall, like at 40 - 60%, 4 more weeks of clomid are most probably unnecessary imo. How much did you say you are on again: var and clomid dose?
How long have you ever personally used tamoxifen on a cycle? What dose and is that the norm for you, or just something you’ve had to do once or twice?
I wasted the first few weeks of Var with 40-60mg and it wasn’t until I started to dose it at 75-100 I saw results, which was from week 5. Clomid was 25mg the whole time.
No I haven't used it on cycle really.. I've used it a few weeks before due to gyno but my point really with torem and nolva is that yes torem has less sides but i believe 40mg nolva is way over 100mg of torem to restart hpta which means that this 60mg dosage would work but youd have to increase the dosage a ton which means more sides and less effect in theory.. Since I've never seen anyone taken both at that dosage during a cycle I don't know the sides of torem. With clomid you'd have even less effect if my memory isn't wrong and sides that doesn't come with either torem or Nolva. There was this theory that nolva decreased igf1 which either was very little or it was completely debunked and therefore torem should suffice as a better option.
Sweet. Thanks can't wait to see!I just did my blood work
7 weeks of Var&Clomid. “Feel” wise I feel good with no noticeable sides, let’s see what the blood work says, wish my luck!
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