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Chocolatemilk hangs low with hCG; and builds high with SD/Epi (Pic Log)

Niiice.. thanks Nos.. you seem to show up every time I have a serious question lol. Reps to your already ridiculous rep power.
 
DAY 3

Day 3:

10 mg in the morning, 10 mg in the evening.

There are no rest days while on this cycle! Didn't have anything to workout so I played basketball for an hour and hopped on the treadmill for 30 minutes. Burned some good cals. Nothing to interesting.

I figure catabolism won't be much of a factor while on cycle so I'm not gonna be shy to burn some cals. If anything it will lean me out without losing muscle mass.
 
Diggin the log , I'm subbed.

Bought myself one of those safes. It's awesome. haha

Now I gotta find a mini fridge to hide my HCG in..
 
Because he wanted to run an oral only cycle and realized the huge benefits that hcg could have on a highly supressive SD cycle... thats why.

Hes being smarter than 90 percent of the brahs on here.
 
spezzy said:
Diggin the log , I'm subbed.

Bought myself one of those safes. It's awesome. haha

Now I gotta find a mini fridge to hide my HCG in..
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Haha I know man I love the safe! I hide my hCG in the fridge at work lol. Can't keep it at home.

MarBaSxx said:
Dont know if this has been posted but I see your injecting hcg so why not run some test with the SD?
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Well I didn't wanna run a 12 week cycle cuz that would run into when I start school and it's tough to eat good while going back and forth for school.

HCG injections I'm doing are also subq in the stomach area so it doesn't take much skill for that lol. Never done IM.

Also, the more I read about hCG.. I'm shocked it's not the norm just as a PCT is. From what I read and comprehend about it... I'd never run a cycle without it. But that's just from my reading lol... we'll see if my experience agrees with all this.

deadaim said:
Because he wanted to run an oral only cycle and realized the huge benefits that hcg could have on a highly supressive SD cycle... thats why.

Hes being smarter than 90 percent of the brahs on here.
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Thanks dead :veryhappy:
 
chocolatemilk said:
Also, the more I read about hCG.. I'm shocked it's not the norm just as a PCT is. From what I read and comprehend about it... I'd never run a cycle without it. But that's just from my reading lol... we'll see if my experience agrees with all this.
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It isn't exactly the easiest thing to obtain for some people. I am sure if the time came that I was doing an Sd cycle I would consider looking for it, but its not as easy as locating clomid/nolva for PCT.
 
HereToStudy said:
It isn't exactly the easiest thing to obtain for some people. I am sure if the time came that I was doing an Sd cycle I would consider looking for it, but its not as easy as locating clomid/nolva for PCT.
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Not only that, but when you run a 12-20 week cycle, a lot of it wastes pretty easy since it goes bad quickly.
 
HereToStudy said:
It isn't exactly the easiest thing to obtain for some people. I am sure if the time came that I was doing an Sd cycle I would consider looking for it, but its not as easy as locating clomid/nolva for PCT.
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HTS... It's even easier to obtain than clomid and nolva trust me. It's insanely popular with the diet fad lol so it's so easy to obtain now. Huge market for it now.
 
i liked hCG when i ran it but i have never really had difficulty in recovering in PCT anyway so while yes it is good, it is far from necessary so people not using hCG aren't dumb deadaim. It is most useful among progestins. IMO progestins are in their own class in terms of shutdown and SD doesn't come close.
 
gamer2be08 said:
Not only that, but when you run a 12-20 week cycle, a lot of it wastes pretty easy since it goes bad quickly.
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That's why you just get 2000 iu vials and mix em whenever the one you're using runs out. You would need three vials for that kind of cycle... probably $60.
 
chocolatemilk said:
HTS... It's even easier to obtain than clomid and nolva trust me. It's insanely popular with the diet fad lol so it's so easy to obtain now. Huge market for it now.
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Might be true, I havn't looked into it. I always figured you woul dhave to get it from an AAS dealer, which I would also have no clue where to start with. But like I said, I don't have a use for it yet, so maybe I can spend some time looking into it before I would.
 
UnrealMachine said:
i liked hCG when i ran it but i have never really had difficulty in recovering in PCT anyway so while yes it is good, it is far from necessary so people not using hCG aren't dumb deadaim. It is most useful among progestins. IMO progestins are in their own class in terms of shutdown and SD doesn't come close.
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Unreal.. if you had the choice to be shut down on cycle or not.. why would you choose to be shut down? There are no benefits (I would think) and there could be drawbacks (I would think). I'm just curious.
 
chocolatemilk said:
That's why you just get 2000 iu vials and mix em whenever the one you're using runs out. You would need three vials for that kind of cycle... probably $60.
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For a 12 week cycle, I would rather use a SERM for PCT, no HCG.. I feel like I recover fast enough at the end of a cycle... Thats just me, I wont touch HCG unless I go on a 15 week or greater cycle, and then I would only use the HCG for the last 4 weeks of cycle to regain testicle size prior to SERM use.. Get what im sayin bud?
 
HereToStudy said:
Might be true, I havn't looked into it. I always figured you woul dhave to get it from an AAS dealer, which I would also have no clue where to start with. But like I said, I don't have a use for it yet, so maybe I can spend some time looking into it before I would.
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HTS huge market for it bro. Consider it an "available option" for you RIGHT NOW if you ever want it.. don't even trip about finding it. That's how easy it is to get.
 
gamer2be08 said:
For a 12 week cycle, I would rather use a SERM for PCT, no HCG.. I feel like I recover fast enough at the end of a cycle... Thats just me, I wont touch HCG unless I go on a 15 week or greater cycle, and then I would only use the HCG for the last 4 weeks of cycle to regain testicle size prior to SERM use.. Get what im sayin bud?
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Yea I get that. I'm not after the recovery aspect of it tho. My balls are here to function... I really don't want them to shut off for one second. That cannot be good at all. You're thinking strictly about recovery... I'm using it for "safety."

You're right.. there might not be a need for it to recover.. but keeping my balls operating makes me sleep easier at night lol.
 
chocolatemilk said:
Yea I get that. I'm not after the recovery aspect of it tho. My balls are here to function... I really don't want them to shut off for one second. That cannot be good at all. You're thinking strictly about recovery... I'm using it for "safety."

You're right.. there might not be a need for it to recover.. but keeping my balls operating makes me sleep easier at night lol.
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Get this, I feel much better in every way possible after my last cycle and being shutdown for a long time (12 weeks) and then doing a 6 week PCT.. My gains are coming better, strength better, I feel better. It feels as if my testosterone levels are higher than before the cycle.. My confidence is high, aggression is high, everything is higher than before.. I got a crazy body though lol..
 
gamer2be08 said:
Get this, I feel much better in every way possible after my last cycle and being shutdown for a long time (12 weeks) and then doing a 6 week PCT.. My gains are coming better, strength better, I feel better. It feels as if my testosterone levels are higher than before the cycle.. My confidence is high, aggression is high, everything is higher than before.. I got a crazy body though lol..
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So you're saying there IS a benefit to being shut down for that time period?

Ps you are a freak gamer lol
 
chocolatemilk said:
So you're saying there IS a benefit to being shut down for that time period?

Ps you are a freak gamer lol
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There have been some cases where people come out of a cycle and recovery with higher testosterone levels than prior to the cycle.. I guess its a restart and pray system lol..
 
gamer2be08 said:
There have been some cases where people come out of a cycle and recovery with higher testosterone levels than prior to the cycle.. I guess its a restart and pray system lol..
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Haha well then if that's the case, and I had normal T levels, I would not like to gamble for a higher one with a "restart and pray."

If I had low T levels to begin with.. what the hell do I have to lose.. I'll restart pray. Screw the hCG in that case lol.
 
chocolatemilk said:
Haha well then if that's the case, and I had normal T levels, I would not like to gamble for a higher one with a "restart and pray."

If I had low T levels to begin with.. what the hell do I have to lose.. I'll restart pray. Screw the hCG in that case lol.
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But, I am a freak.. I have never experienced the loss of libido everyone speaks of LOL..
 
gamer2be08 said:
But, I am a freak.. I have never experienced the loss of libido everyone speaks of LOL..
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I am two days into week three at 30 mg and still got a very healthy libido. No atrophy as of yet. Not saying im not beginning to shut down (never happened so i dont know really what it feels like) but as of now im feeling just fine, and f**king just fine haha
 
chocolatemilk said:
Unreal.. if you had the choice to be shut down on cycle or not.. why would you choose to be shut down? There are no benefits (I would think) and there could be drawbacks (I would think). I'm just curious.
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You're still shut down even with hCG... (just not as much) you're still running a PCT aren't you? As for me, i understand the fear of shutdown, when i ran P-Plex 3 years ago that was the first real shutdown i experienced and it was scary. Then I did PCT and no problems. Cycle after cycle, PCT, no problems. Then I found clomid and learned that as long as I've got clomid, I can come out of PCT with higher test than pre-cycle.

The fear went away. I don't care so much about shutdown anymore... it is something I try to plan out for other people, and less shutdown is a great advantage of pulsing which I am a huge advocate of. But sooner or later if you want to cycle big you will get over the fear of shutdown. Last cycle I had a SD kickstart and was pumping 1-2g of oil the whole time and don't feel the shutdown was that bad really...

Progestins are the exception cuz maybe it was my dead libido but on Tren Xtreme I felt pretty shutdown. For Deca/Tren cycles hCG sounds a lot more important to me.

gamer2be08 said:
Get this, I feel much better in every way possible after my last cycle and being shutdown for a long time (12 weeks) and then doing a 6 week PCT.. My gains are coming better, strength better, I feel better. It feels as if my testosterone levels are higher than before the cycle.. My confidence is high, aggression is high, everything is higher than before.. I got a crazy body though lol..
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exactly... with a proper PCT you should be able to restart to a higher testosterone level anyway.
 
Yea Unreal I got Nolva at 20/20/20/10 for PCT.

The last hormone product I ran was sh*t.. but it shut me down pretty bad. I was up and running after two weeks into PCT but I hated the feeling of losing my libido.. of losing my interest in sex and girls. My whole life has been about chasing females and I guess that was natures intention. I realized everything I do at the bottom line has girls involved lol... I gel my hair for them, wear nice clothes for them, I want a nice house for them, when I see a cutie working out around me I literally get stronger trying to show off lol.

It was just scary losing all these feelings when I lost my libido. I honestly felt like I lost some zest for life.

Life is about sex lol... it's all about reproduction of the species. Losing my libido was more mentally depressing than anything physical.

I just personally never want to lose that drive for sex. I love it. It keeps life interesting for me on a day to day basis. I figured hCG would keep it somewhat intact.
 
DAY 4

DAY 4

Back day.

10 mg in the morning workout, 10 mg in the evening workout.

THIRST. WOW. Every morning I wake up like corpse thirsty for water. I'm finding I have to drink water even with my meals which I NEVER do as it weakens digestive juices giving you a not so good digestion of the foods and heart burn. I can't control myself I'm so thirsty.

PUMPS. Getting a lot better.... scary better lol.

HUNGER. No change. The amount of water I'm drinking is keeping me more full than usual.

Morning workout: Did strictly back. Again I'm feeling great in the morning. When I wake up I actually WANT to get out of bed so I can work out. I love working out, and if you guys love it like I do, it's a great motivation to get up in the morning. Especially on cycle when you know it's gonna be gooood :)

Evening workout: WOW on the bicep pumps. Did bi's and traps. I noticed the first strength increase today on pull ups. Usually I muster out a solid 8 all the way up and down. I was doing 11 today easy.....

You know what guys. All I keep thinking about is PCT and keeping the pounds after..... but I'm forgetting that THIS is the fun part. The part when you're on cycle. When you're constantly pumped. When you're getting bigger everyday. When you're getting stronger every workout. I'm not gonna stress right now about PCT or anything..... I'm gonna enjoy this god damn cycle cuz I feel like I'm in for a wild ride.
 
chocolatemilk said:
DAY 4

Back day.

10 mg in the morning workout, 10 mg in the evening workout.

THIRST. WOW. Every morning I wake up like corpse thirsty for water. I'm finding I have to drink water even with my meals which I NEVER do as it weakens digestive juices giving you a not so good digestion of the foods and heart burn. I can't control myself I'm so thirsty.

PUMPS. Getting a lot better.... scary better lol.

HUNGER. No change. The amount of water I'm drinking is keeping me more full than usual.

Morning workout: Did strictly back. Again I'm feeling great in the morning. When I wake up I actually WANT to get out of bed so I can work out. I love working out, and if you guys love it like I do, it's a great motivation to get up in the morning. Especially on cycle when you know it's gonna be gooood :)

Evening workout: WOW on the bicep pumps. Did bi's and traps. I noticed the first strength increase today on pull ups. Usually I muster out a solid 8 all the way up and down. I was doing 11 today easy.....

You know what guys. All I keep thinking about is PCT and keeping the pounds after..... but I'm forgetting that THIS is the fun part. The part when you're on cycle. When you're constantly pumped. When you're getting bigger everyday. When you're getting stronger every workout. I'm not gonna stress right now about PCT or anything..... I'm gonna enjoy this god damn cycle cuz I feel like I'm in for a wild ride.
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Only oral ive gotten scary pumps from was phera plex and those were f uckin painful lmao..
 
chocolatemilk said:
Yea Unreal I got Nolva at 20/20/20/10 for PCT.

The last hormone product I ran was sh*t.. but it shut me down pretty bad. I was up and running after two weeks into PCT but I hated the feeling of losing my libido.. of losing my interest in sex and girls. My whole life has been about chasing females and I guess that was natures intention. I realized everything I do at the bottom line has girls involved lol... I gel my hair for them, wear nice clothes for them, I want a nice house for them, when I see a cutie working out around me I literally get stronger trying to show off lol.

It was just scary losing all these feelings when I lost my libido. I honestly felt like I lost some zest for life.

Life is about sex lol... it's all about reproduction of the species. Losing my libido was more mentally depressing than anything physical.

I just personally never want to lose that drive for sex. I love it. It keeps life interesting for me on a day to day basis. I figured hCG would keep it somewhat intact.
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Yeah i hear you on that... Dude i lost my libido for a month when I did the ph Tren. I was so pissed off at tren, but at the same time loved that it was working. Anyway i don't feel like it's the end of the world when my libido that destroyed, that's what cialis is for. Anyway most of my PCTs the libido drop is barely even perceptible, I mean i can't really even tell, my equipment works fine in PCT. Just that goddamn tren though... lol.

U got a valid reason though dude nobody wants a dead libido.
 
Yea I guess it's not the end all be all like I make it out to be. But when I'm looking my best ON cycle.. and I have no interest in girls.. wtf lol. How ironic.

Couldn't get a morning workout in today so I will do a full chest, tri's and shoulder workout this evening. I will also dose 20 mg of SD 1 hour before workout so this should be good. This is the second time I'm working out my chest. We will see if any strength gains are apparent. For the record I'm doing 205 x 5 as the highest weight I've done. I will see if I can beat that today.
 
20mg in the pm? I wouldnt dose after 4pm. Just sayin you might be up all night if you do that
 
You think so? It would be at 5:30 I'd take it. I haven't had trouble sleeping so far and on my Beastdrol bottle it says take 1-2 capsules 1 hour before workout.
 
Dude theres nothing wrong with taking your dosage all at once. dont fall for all that timing crap. then again dont do everything that a bottle/package says unless you know its the proven method that works for you.

I actually dose 30 mg at 6am when i hit the gym at 8, and dose at 2 or 3 when i hit the gym at 7. Half life...6 hours.. so in 6 hours its still 15mg, in 12 its 7.5, so the next day there's still some in your system. Your body will not go catabolic if you don't "spread evenly" every day of your cycle.
 
really doesn't matter how you dose it. some people can't sleep when they dose in the late afternoon or evening. I always try to dose so that most of the compound has cleared by the next morning, i think this minimizes suppression... backed only by vague anecdotal evidence though.

i take it you're lifting at 6:30. I would dose 10mg upon waking and 10mg around 5. There will be plenty active for the workout.

bottom line though it doesn't matter a whole lot. 20mg a day is 20mg a day. 90% of the time people take dosing way too seriously. I've been pmed about dosing more times than I can count.
 
oh man this sounds like a truly crappy comparison, but im very into working dogs. i have a pit i weightpull with, and i feed him according to his activity output, etc. The bag of food i buy says at his weight he needs 4 cups a day, I feed my dog 3 cups on a heavy heavy training day and 2 cups on off days. If i went off the bag I'd have a fat ass dog!!
 
nah nah bro do you eat the RDA of protein too? Isnt it like 84 grams?? I think if you do more than that youll hurt yourself!
 
haha hey CM do you drink the kind that you have to mix or the kind you buy prepped as chocolate milk already? i only like the premade stuff for some reason i cannot stand the taste of the kind you have to make yourself.
 
haha if I could afford the god damn pre made stuff I would eat that sh*t for breakfast lunch and dinner. I'm stuck with the mixing stuff..... that sometimes doesn't mix lol.
 
right? chocolate clumpy milk haha. i used to get so stoned, hit the donut shop for those little sausage rolls and get a couple bottles of chocolate milk... Man the list goes on and on about what got me to where I am now LOL im so glad that's not me anymore
 
HAHA you know what bro.. When I was younger I loved eating stoned.. I don't get that anymore whatsoever. And while w're on the topic what's the verdict of weed and being on cycle???
 
I really dont know. For certain reasons I dont wanna disclose I havent smoked in over 6 months and cant for a while. But if I could, I would be smoking. Only drawback I see is that smoking anything raises blood pressure
 
SouthernCharm said:
I really dont know. For certain reasons I dont wanna disclose I havent smoked in over 6 months and cant for a while. But if I could, I would be smoking. Only drawback I see is that smoking anything raises blood pressure
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Yea but the argument against it could easily be debated. You really don't smoke as much with Marijuana as you would with Cigs. You take a couple hits, get high, eat and watch tv. I say smoke up.
 
Im not saying its a drawback that would stop me.. But at the point I got to, it wasnt a couple of hits and stopping LOL. You know what I mean? I smoked more weed then cigs.. A lot more LMAO

Im just saying thats the ONLY thing I could see it affecting. Some people will claim it raises estrogen.. I say show me the studies that back that up.. If anything it might make you not wanna work out, but then again some people hit it up and then go hit up weight.
 
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