3ChainedAminos
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It will if they test for Gains….
CEL Alpha One - Natural Anabolic Recomposition Agent + Incredible Pumps
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KimChee75
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I posted in the Prime thread, I am stacking Alpha One @1 cap and the strength gains are incredible. Great pumps on this and nice recomp effect. I feel my muscles are pumped constantly. I did Chest and Back on Monday and they still feel full today. Prime and Alpha one will be a staple for me. I might throw in some Lean Extreme into my stack, and later on Rexomp 20. I really only initially got the Prime because BMP was out of stock, but I’m glad I branched out and tried some SNS products. I’m truly impressed by these natural products. 2 of my all time favorites.
sns8778
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Thank you for the feedback.
Lean Extreme? If you're looking for the 7OH, like the original Lean Extreme, Reduce XT is 7OH.
(I saw that you mentioned Lean Edge in the Prime XT thread, so may have meant that instead of Lean Extreme - and I do think that Lean Edge would be a great stack with Alpha One).
Also, if you're interested in bone morphogenetic protein type products, CEL BASIS is going to be launched in the next couple of weeks and will include bmp aspects to it and be a very unique and comprehensive product.
KimChee75
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Yeah I meant Lean Edge. I need non stim and the ingredient profile looks great. I’ve got some on the way now lol.
The thing I liked about BMP was the leaning effect, but I had lethargy on it, and I noticed it had a blood pressure lowering affect, as soon as I came off it my BP went back up and I didn’t feel tired anymore.
The thing I liked about BMP was the leaning effect, but I had lethargy on it, and I noticed it had a blood pressure lowering affect, as soon as I came off it my BP went back up and I didn’t feel tired anymore.
Dustin07
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I've been fully natty in Feb with just M-Test (which I'm now out of), Alpha One, and a little TD here and there like XPG Alpha Gel or XPG Pump Gel and I forgot how awesome Alpha One is. It kicks in quick and honestly feels like some of the PEDs. firm muscle fullness and vascularity came back fast.
sns8778
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Thank you. I love Lean Edge. I look forward to hearing how you like it.
I always give the disclaimer than when I say bmp, I'm referring to bone morphogenetic protein, and not the product by that name.
BASIS, our product that will target bmp from a lot of different angles, is one that I have spent a lot of research time on for the last couple of years.
The bmp pathway is complex and its not about just targeting, its how you target it, and how things work together when targeting different things.
When researching ingredients that work via targeting different bmps, something I realized right off the bat is that some ingredients that may be beneficial for increasing certain bmps may not interact well with other ingredients &/or may not be ingredients that I would want to use in a product bc some of them have some undesirable effects - lethargy, estrogen increases, etc.
I'm also thorough and very in depth with my research, but with BASIS, every ingredient was like a full on deep dive research project - to first see if it did what I wanted it to for bmp, but then in taking a step back and looking at the overall scope of research on it to make sure that it didn't do anything that I wouldn't want it to - and there were several that got ruled out because even though they may be good for bmp, they did other things that made me unwilling to include them.
When I say this took years, of course I don't mean that as in all of my time being devoted to it, but in terms of research time, it took years to get this exactly where I wanted it to be - a product that will increase specific bmps with absolutely no estrogen increasing ingredients and also target lean muscle, fat loss, body-recomposition, and other benefits from a variety of angles.
I'm working on doing some in depth ingredient write ups and articles that will help explain all of this in ways that the average person can understand - but not sure they'll all be done by the time we release it, unless we hold off on the release to make sure that they are done. Reason being that I'm behind at life from the time that's been put into the other ingredient and product write ups for the 12 weeks of new releases and have had some things I've had to deal with in my personal life too.
Long story short - BASIS will have the positive attributes of the bmp pathways but also have other pathways through which it works as well. It's a very in depth and exciting product and I'm excited for the feedback on it.
KimChee75
Member
Lean Edge is great there is literally no stim effect and I’m very sensitive to stims. A lot of non stim formulas raise my BP and I can’t take them, but not this. My sense of well being is much better all day. I just feel good and relaxed might be the green tea extract and L-Theanine, I used to take Green Tea pills and it made me feel good. Have only been on it a couple weeks now, but definitely noticing a thermal effect, as I rarely get hot, but sweating a lot more during a work out. I’ll definitely get the 2 pack when I’m out of this bottle it’s the perfect non stim fat burner for me.
I’m considering adding a 4th product to my stack of Prime, A1, and Lean Edge, or adding a 2nd capsule or A1 a day, but I occasionally get a strange light headed feeling with A1, that started when I took 2 a day, but went away when I dropped back to 1 capsule. Any suggestions? I’m leaning toward Recomp20, but welcome any other suggestions.
I’m considering adding a 4th product to my stack of Prime, A1, and Lean Edge, or adding a 2nd capsule or A1 a day, but I occasionally get a strange light headed feeling with A1, that started when I took 2 a day, but went away when I dropped back to 1 capsule. Any suggestions? I’m leaning toward Recomp20, but welcome any other suggestions.
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sns8778
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I'm glad to hear that you're enjoying Lean Edge.
Recomp20 was the first thing that came to mind for me too that would be a good addition to your current stack. Lean GLP would be a good option if focused on improving metabolic health and wishing to help with appetite control, blood sugar/a1c, and lipid profile.
Resolve10
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Obviously stacking two things would provide more results in the shorter time frame.
I'd look at what your training and goals look like over those time periods. I like to try to line up certain things with specific training blocks and in general I'd rather run a little less over a longer period than more in a shorter time frame (which is more personal preferences and it does vary).
I'd look at what your training and goals look like over those time periods. I like to try to line up certain things with specific training blocks and in general I'd rather run a little less over a longer period than more in a shorter time frame (which is more personal preferences and it does vary).
timmy8888
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Appreciate the response, I was kind of thinking the same thing I just wanted to see what others would do. This helps reinforce my initial decision.
Lose weight for another 8 weeks (13 weeks cutting total) then maintenance for 8 to not burn myself out rinse repeat adjust as needed. With alpha one being versatile could easily run it through both phases.
Resolve10
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Ya I don't think either is wrong. Some people like to puch hard for shorter bursts so stacking more things can make sense for them. I personally am boring and go slower generally so I just use stuff more long term. If I have a specific goal that is kind of finishing up or testing something I'll generally have "more" when I reach something like that 1-2 times per year.
Danksta710
Active member
It's such a well dose product at 1 cap a day; 60 caps a bottle. Running it for a year has made sense to me.
timmy8888
Member
Thank you, with that logic(potency+ bottle lasts 2 months) sounds like a no brainer.
timmy8888
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Thank you for the response, I think I'm going to order 6 bottles and get a year supply out of that running one cap a day
jfigliuolo
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How do you KNOW you wouldn't do better on 2? Truly curious. (I know this sounds like I'm being a D&^%. I'm genuinely not)
Joshlm69
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Like I said above I’m already on 2 other products which promote pump, at some point it becomes cost effective to not max dose everything. This way I can get all beneficial ingredients at a recommended dose without having to pick between
jfigliuolo
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OK, so you are judging based on the pump alone. There are other benefits of A1 (pump actually being a nice side effect) which s why I was asking. It's the "other" stuff that's harder to judge subjectively (I think). Totally get the $$$ aspect.
Dustin07
Legend
I'm not sure I have a strong opinion on 1 vs 2, but I tend to take 1 on rest / cardio / fasting days and 2 on my lifting days. Still seems like one of the greatest natty products I've ever seen. within a week I can always notice it immediately in my arms/biceps.
sammpedd88
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I believe @sns8778 mentioned before that taking more than 2 could cause an upset stomach, but of course that would depend on the individual.
baldwanus
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@BigGame84 could probably answer this
sns8778
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My thoughts on this are that if a person is doing 1 per day, they will find better pumps by doing 2 per day on workout days.
BUT if a person is doing 2 per day, then they're going to be shortchanging themselves by only taking 1 per day on non-workout days because the way that it works for recomp is as important on non-training days as it is training days.
sns8778
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I know of a couple people that have tried 3 per day and really liked it.
They were people that cAMP elevation didn't bother their stomachs at all to begin with and they were people that had already acclimated to 2 per day before going up.
The more sensitive a person is to cAMP elevation, the more likely a person would be to experience some stomach discomfort with mega dosing it; especially until the body acclimated.
The people that I've known of to try 3 per day were people that never had any sensitivities to cAMP elevation.
Garyboy
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Some had issues with it in general, thankfully it’s agreed with me. Tempted to double up on it. If stomach issues arise, I’ll keep it at 2.
BigGame84
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Yeah. So I've been doing 4/day for several months now. 2 pre workout in the morning and 2 in the evening. I'm noticing what everyone else is noticing. Pumps, recomp, all that. Feels like a minor ph cycle, without the unwanted sides. That being said, I've just started to drop down to 3 caps/day. 2 pre and 1 in the PM. My initial thoughts are that this doesn't need to be mega-dosed. 2 caps is probably good enough. I'm going to stick with 3 for now.
timmy8888
Member
Guess I need 6 more bottles
. I have most of pump covered with superswole so im.really.looking at the fatloss/recomp
Dustin07
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I haven't "noticed" less joint pain, but I'm back down to 191lbs with pretty good volume and historically when I approach leanness I'm more likely to see the elbow tendonitus flare up. It would probably be a better test for me after I lose about 5 more lbs. but as of right now my only aches and pains are muscle doms.
sns8778
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I think that would be a great addition to the stack.
Joshlm69
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My mini update on going from 1 cap to 2.
Definite increase in pump/fullness in the gym no question. However I did have slight cramps during the session, but didnt hinder it. When I got home I had to do bad bad things to my toilet unfortunately
. I will continue taking 2 caps to see if this stops after a few days.
Weird to not experience anything on 1 cap but going to 2 made that happen. I would have thought if I was cAMP sensitive 1 cap would have shown that.
Definite increase in pump/fullness in the gym no question. However I did have slight cramps during the session, but didnt hinder it. When I got home I had to do bad bad things to my toilet unfortunately
. I will continue taking 2 caps to see if this stops after a few days.Weird to not experience anything on 1 cap but going to 2 made that happen. I would have thought if I was cAMP sensitive 1 cap would have shown that.
sns8778
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My mini update on going from 1 cap to 2.
Definite increase in pump/fullness in the gym no question. However I did have slight cramps during the session, but didnt hinder it. When I got home I had to do bad bad things to my toilet unfortunately
Weird to not experience anything on 1 cap but going to 2 made that happen. I would have thought if I was cAMP sensitive 1 cap would have shown that.
Did you take the second dose with food?
I understand where your thought process is coming from about cAMP sensitivity, but you're thinking about it in terms of like a yes/no to cAMP sensitivity, when you should be thinking about it in terms of - you may not be sensitive to it up to a certain point, but then may after a certain point, to which most people will acclimate to after a few days or some can avoid by taking it with food.
It's kind of like Forskolin - I can start at 50 mg. per day with minimal to no issues, then go up to 75 mg. then to 100 mg. and the 100 mg. may bother my stomach for a few days, then I get used to it.
Joshlm69
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I just took 2 caps PWO, which was about 1 hour after eating breakfast. I assumed I should be dosing both caps pwo, is that wrong?
sns8778
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I don't know if its so much a matter or right and wrong, as it is personal goals and preferences, but the way that you did it, it definitely makes sense that it bothered your stomach (you'll still likely acclimate to it). If you think about it, that's doubling the dose on an already strong product all at once.
If you go back to my example of Forskolin and how I can start with 50 mg. and then work up to 100 mg., that doesn't mean I can take 100 mg. at once haha.
The way that we suggest doing it per the suggested use is the way that I would do it myself - which is 1 softgel twice per day.
There are people that like to use both at one time, but that's more from a pumps perspective - whereas for me, I would be using it for improved body-composition and the pumps would just be a nice added benefit.
Resolve10
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Things really aren't as simple as something decreases inflammation so therefore that thing would improve joint pain symptoms. Not comprehensively because not all joint pain will be caused by specific inflammation and there are many pathways that things will be anti-inflammatory or that inflammation may interact with various things in the body.
My anecdote is that I didn't notice any difference good or bad.
My mini update on going from 1 cap to 2.
Definite increase in pump/fullness in the gym no question. However I did have slight cramps during the session, but didnt hinder it. When I got home I had to do bad bad things to my toilet unfortunately
Weird to not experience anything on 1 cap but going to 2 made that happen. I would have thought if I was cAMP sensitive 1 cap would have shown that.
Steve mentioned it, but that isn't really how tolerance works. Just because 1 doesn't tip the scale doesn't mean that you'd have no issues with 2 (same as going up to 3, etc etc etc).
I took 2 pre mostly to test if both in an acute dose would cause issues (to be able to relay useful information when testing), but once I could tell it didn't I split to 1 am and 1 pm. I'd rather have cAMP and other effects spread over a long period if possible.
KimChee75
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I hate to keep updating this thread with my posts, but I feel like after a month on A1 it has fully kicked in. It kicked in after a few days, but my gym sessions are crazy now. I can say that A1 stacked with Prime feels like a mild PH like 1AD back about 20 years ago. My strength gains are incredible and I’m lifting weights I haven’t in years. I used to compete in powerlifting many years ago, and it feels good to be lifting heavy. I was worried my joint pain would increase with the increase weight but so far everything is holding together nicely. I am still in 1 gel a day. Still leaning out nicely though they had pizza at the hospital today and my GF wanted burgers and fries but other than that my diet has been solid.
Segansational
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I can unfortunately confirm that for me even 1 caps caused the stomach issues you mentioned above. Now I'm only on day 2, so going to give it the week to see if my body adjusts. And before anyone asks, yes, I'm sensitive to forskolin similarly - doesn't mean I don't use it once occassion, just perhaps not as frequent - and also taking first thing pre-WO fasted, due to the time of my workout schedule (5:30 AM).My mini update on going from 1 cap to 2.
Definite increase in pump/fullness in the gym no question. However I did have slight cramps during the session, but didnt hinder it. When I got home I had to do bad bad things to my toilet unfortunately. I will continue taking 2 caps to see if this stops after a few days.
Weird to not experience anything on 1 cap but going to 2 made that happen. I would have thought if I was cAMP sensitive 1 cap would have shown that.
. I will continue taking 2 caps to see if this stops after a few days.jfigliuolo
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I had similar issues. IF you cannot adjust after a week or so to one PRE-WO, try it with a big meal. I can't seem to take it on an empty stomach. I need a bigger meal to slow absorption. After a few weeks i'm going to try again in the AM to see if I have gotten acclimated to cAMP being raised.