CEL Alpha One - Natural Anabolic Recomposition Agent + Incredible Pumps

[sns8778]

I can unfortunately confirm that for me even 1 caps caused the stomach issues you mentioned above. Now I'm only on day 2, so going to give it the week to see if my body adjusts. And before anyone asks, yes, I'm sensitive to forskolin similarly - doesn't mean I don't use it once occassion, just perhaps not as frequent - and also taking first thing pre-WO fasted, due to the time of my workout schedule (5:30 AM).

If you already know that you are sensitive to cAMP increases, then I wouldn't take it on an empty stomach for the first week to two weeks. It would be best to take with a meal.

For people sensitive to cAMP increases, most people acclimate to 1 softgel per day within 2 weeks and most won't have any issues with it at all if they take it with a meal.

The pumps are so good that people tend to think it has to be taken before working out, but it doesn't.

 

[Segansational]

If you already know that you are sensitive to cAMP increases, then I wouldn't take it on an empty stomach for the first week to two weeks. It would be best to take with a meal.

For people sensitive to cAMP increases, most people acclimate to 1 softgel per day within 2 weeks and most won't have any issues with it at all if they take it with a meal.

The pumps are so good that people tend to think it has to be taken before working out, but it doesn't.

Good to know. If timing doesn't really matter, I'm OK taking it with meals during the day. I'll still ride it out this week just for literal sh!ts and giggles (as I take all my other AM supps pre-WO for convenience), but if not then I'll switch to probably to with dinner.

 

[sns8778]

Good to know. If timing doesn't really matter, I'm OK taking it with meals during the day. I'll still ride it out this week just for literal sh!ts and giggles (as I take all my other AM supps pre-WO for convenience), but if not then I'll switch to probably to with dinner.

I wouldn't worry about when you take it; the main thing is to use it daily.

The only advantage to using it pre-workout is that some people feel it helps with pumps more; but people that take it at different times of the day still see better pumps and muscle fullness with it.

Results wise - the main thing is to use it daily for best results.

Most people acclimate to it pretty quickly anyway.

 

[Dustin07]

Good to know. If timing doesn't really matter, I'm OK taking it with meals during the day. I'll still ride it out this week just for literal sh!ts and giggles (as I take all my other AM supps pre-WO for convenience), but if not then I'll switch to probably to with dinner.

I take one in the morning fasted at tooth brush time with 90% of my other supplements. on the days I choose to take 2, the second one is usually preWO.

 

[jfigliuolo]

Anyone having trouble bumping up to 2 day (1 morning one later), it took me FIVE weeks to finally be able to do it. I was skeptical it would happen. So if this applies to you take 1 with dinner, then every week or so try adding in another with breakfast. Be patient, like me it might just take a little longer than most.

 

[ironfiend22]

Anyone having trouble bumping up to 2 day (1 morning one later), it took me FIVE weeks to finally be able to do it. I was skeptical it would happen. So if this applies to you take 1 with dinner, then every week or so try adding in another with breakfast. Be patient, like me it might just take a little longer than most.

Because of stomach issues?

 

[jfigliuolo]

Because of stomach issues?

Yeah.... diarrhea

 

[ironfiend22]

I've been getting the same. Notice any differences with 2 Vs 1?

 

[sns8778]

I've been getting the same. Notice any differences with 2 Vs 1?

He's been able to use 1 per day with no issues, but it took him awhile to be able to go up to 2 per day. He had to drop back down to 1 per day and stay at that dose for awhile before going back up to 2 per day.

Almost anyone can take 1 per day with no issues.

Some people that are cAMP sensitive may have issues with going up to 2 per day - which is why we address it in the write up.

A note about increasing cAMP:
Increasing cyclic adenosine monophosphate (cAMP) levels may cause stomach discomfort in some individuals. This is rare, but possible with any cAMP increasing supplements.

If individuals experience stomach discomfort with any cAMP increasing supplements, it is suggested that they take the supplements with food as that resolves it in most people. It is also suggested that the individual stay with the minimum suggested dose and not increase the dosage until the stomach discomfort subsides.

For people that do have issues going up to 2 per day, here are some tips:

• Take it with food.
• Space out the dosages - 1 softgel twice per day
• Remember that 1 per day is equivalent to the dosage range used in the study - so taking 1 per day is not too weak of a dose at all.
• If you find that taking 2 per day bothers your stomach, go back to taking 1 and stay at that dose for a few weeks before trying to go back up.

On the suggested use, we say for people taking 2 per day to space the dosage out and take 1 twice per day.

A lot of people instead of doing that take both at one time - which I think is because its so great for pumps that people assume they want to take both before their workout for even better pumps - and it may be better that way for pumps, but for the body-composition and recomp benefits, it would be better to take 1 twice per day anyway and its also less likely to bother a persons stomach, especially if taken with food.

 

[3ChainedAminos]

Disclaimer, I do not take this product, so I cannot try this myself. I’ve noticed that there are a few that get diarrhea from alpha one. I know it’s from cedar oil so it will probably taste terrible, but has anyone tried cutting the soft gel and diluting it in their preworkout? I feel like the dilution would help. I feel like taking a soft gel whole, it will get to your stomach and start to breakdown, and you get a concentrated dose of the oil right at your stomach/intestines . I am also terrible at explaining things so I hope that makes sense.

 

[sns8778]

Disclaimer, I do not take this product, so I cannot try this myself. I’ve noticed that there are a few that get diarrhea from alpha one. I know it’s from cedar oil so it will probably taste terrible, but has anyone tried cutting the soft gel and diluting it in their preworkout? I feel like the dilution would help. I feel like taking a soft gel whole, it will get to your stomach and start to breakdown, and you get a concentrated dose of the oil right at your stomach/intestines . I am also terrible at explaining things so I hope that makes sense.

I know that you're trying to be helpful - but no one should do that.

Do NOT open the softgel and take it that way and do NOT try to use it topically.

It's not the ingredient, its one of the mechanisms of action of the ingredient - increasing cAMP.

Whether its a-Cedrene, Forskolin, or cAMP drugs - studies on increasing cAMP have shown that some people are sensitive to their cAMP levels going up. Basically, the same mechanism through which these things work makes some people (about 5%) have some stomach issues when they first start using them. On average, it takes about 5 to 10 days for the body to acclimate to the increased cAMP levels.

I tell people the same thing with Forskolin XT because it increases cAMP - so many people ask about taking more than the suggested use. I don't tell anyone to exceed the bottle dose, but I know 100 mg. (double the dose) is a very common dosage, but I always tell people to not start with that - to use 50 mg. for a couple of weeks even if it doesn't bother you at all, before increasing the dose.

Alpha One is a strong product - 1 softgel is equivalent to the amount used in the studies.

Alpha One is a great product and it is rarely going to bother anyone's stomach at 1 softgel.

It's rarely going to bother most people's stomachs if they go to 2 softgels - if they do it the way the bottle says and start with 1 softgel and then when they go to 2, space the dosage out and take with food. For the people that do, drop back to 1 per day and take 1 per day for at least 2 to 3 weeks before trying to go up again - or just stay at 1 per day.

 

[3ChainedAminos]

I know that you're trying to be helpful - but no one should do that.

Do NOT open the softgel and take it that way and do NOT try to use it topically.

It's not the ingredient, its one of the mechanisms of action of the ingredient - increasing cAMP.

Whether its a-Cedrene, Forskolin, or cAMP drugs - studies on increasing cAMP have shown that some people are sensitive to their cAMP levels going up. Basically, the same mechanism through which these things work makes some people (about 5%) have some stomach issues when they first start using them. On average, it takes about 5 to 10 days for the body to acclimate to the increased cAMP levels.

I tell people the same thing with Forskolin XT because it increases cAMP - so many people ask about taking more than the suggested use. I don't tell anyone to exceed the bottle dose, but I know 100 mg. (double the dose) is a very common dosage, but I always tell people to not start with that - to use 50 mg. for a couple of weeks even if it doesn't bother you at all, before increasing the dose.

Alpha One is a strong product - 1 softgel is equivalent to the amount used in the studies.

Alpha One is a great product and it is rarely going to bother anyone's stomach at 1 softgel.

It's rarely going to bother most people's stomachs if they go to 2 softgels - if they do it the way the bottle says and start with 1 softgel and then when they go to 2, space the dosage out and take with food. For the people that do, drop back to 1 per day and take 1 per day for at least 2 to 3 weeks before trying to go up again - or just stay at 1 per day.

Ok, so do NOT listen to what I said earlier everyone lol. Was just trying to help with a solution, didn’t realize it was the mode of action.

 

[jfigliuolo]

I've been getting the same. Notice any differences with 2 Vs 1?

Besides what Steve already mentioned. Nothing really. BUT, I am not taking in pre-wo yet (empty stomach). So any benefits I do expect to see would be more from recomp which just takes time. I'll likely try it next week pre/wo. Giving my body time to adjust to the new level for a few weeks.

 

[Segansational]

Anyone having trouble bumping up to 2 day (1 morning one later), it took me FIVE weeks to finally be able to do it. I was skeptical it would happen. So if this applies to you take 1 with dinner, then every week or so try adding in another with breakfast. Be patient, like me it might just take a little longer than most.

I'm two weeks in and it probably took me a good 1.5 - 2 weeks to fully adjust to the 1 soft gel, but I'm confident now that I've adjusted accordingly.

Besides what Steve already mentioned. Nothing really. BUT, I am not taking in pre-wo yet (empty stomach). So any benefits I do expect to see would be more from recomp which just takes time. I'll likely try it next week pre/wo. Giving my body time to adjust to the new level for a few weeks.

Will be interested to hear if you think you notice a substantial difference at 2 soft gel or not. Honestly, I'm unsure if I'll bump it up, but if so will take second dose with dinner to space out as long as possible.

 

[sns8778]

I think that there is some misconception that's occurred later on in this thread that a person needs to take 2 and that 1 wouldn't be effective, so let me clear that up.

1 softgel = 1,000 mg. = the dose used in the study

The original labels that we had made said 1 softgel per day and they also didn't emphasize pumps.

When we received the softgels for this, we had allowed some people to try it early for feedback - a good variety of people, male and female, and ages 20 thru 60's, including many well respected members here, both natural and people that use AAS.

The feedback was so good for pumps and so many people liked 2 per day, that we had the labels reprinted and emphasized pumps more on them and also changed the dosage to allow people to take 2 per day if they wanted to.

 

[sns8778]

Enhancing cAMP can do a lot of great things for the body and deliver a lot of great benefits - it's a powerful tool for recomp, losing fat, muscle fullness and hardness, pumps, endurance, and a lot more.

However, some people (roughly 5%) have to acclimate to increased levels of cAMP and may experience some form of digestive discomfort for a week or two - this is acclimating to increased levels of cAMP in the body - not specific to a particular product. It has been evidenced in studies on many different cAMP ingredients and cAMP drugs.

The upside to that is that it means that its working because if you're cAMP sensitive and experience that, then it tells you that you cAMP levels are increasing.

Here is some helpful info:

• For most people, 1 per day will not cause any issues at all.
• For the ones that it does, taking it with a meal will offset these issues for most everyone.
• Most people won't have any issues taking 2, especially if you don't have any issues with 1.
• If you have issues with 1, stay on 1 for awhile before trying 2 and if you have issues with 2, go back to 1 and stay on 1 for at least 3 weeks before trying 2 again.

When another brand did a low % a-Cedrene years ago, a lot of people asked us to do one and I had said then that we would only do one if we could do a high % purity one and then we had people ask almost constantly for years for us to do one.

We spent a lot of time and money to be able to offer the industry's first 95%+ a-Cedrene supplement and the feedback has been very good - as people can read through the thread and see for themselves.

This was a product that I had put off when originally asked about and was hesitant to even do because of a very simple fact - anything that works to increase cAMP is going to bother some people's stomachs - that's a fact - because some people are sensitive to their cAMP levels increasing.

So by definition, if it actually works, they're going to be sensitive to it working - and although they adapt quickly, usually within 1 to 2 weeks, the people that this happens with tend to complain and deter other people from wanting to try the product.

 

[CATdiesel76]

I know of a couple people that have tried 3 per day and really liked it.

They were people that cAMP elevation didn't bother their stomachs at all to begin with and they were people that had already acclimated to 2 per day before going up.



The more sensitive a person is to cAMP elevation, the more likely a person would be to experience some stomach discomfort with mega dosing it; especially until the body acclimated.

The people that I've known of to try 3 per day were people that never had any sensitivities to cAMP elevation.

Is cAMP elevation one of the reasons berbrine effects peoples stomach? Alpha one was hit or miss on my stomach at one cap and at two wrecked me. Prime wasn’t easy on mine either. I can’t take any form of berberine or Metformin unfortunately. Alpha one and prime were so good though that I dealt with stomach distress for 3 months on them but then couldn’t take it anymore. I was gassing out work and having an oil change a few times a day. Sucks because the results were incredible. Going to start back one cap of alpha one again and maybe one cap of prime and work up on prime to see if my stomach acclimates

 

[sns8778]

Is cAMP elevation one of the reasons berbrine effects peoples stomach? Alpha one was hit or miss on my stomach at one cap and at two wrecked me. Prime wasn’t easy on mine either. I can’t take any form of berberine or Metformin unfortunately. Alpha one and prime were so good though that I dealt with stomach distress for 3 months on them but then couldn’t take it anymore. I was gassing out work and having an oil change a few times a day. Sucks because the results were incredible. Going to start back one cap of alpha one again and maybe one cap of prime and work up on prime to see if my stomach acclimates

Berberine is hard on a lot of people's stomachs; I can't take more than 500 mg. regular Berberine per day, but can use GlucoVantage at up to 300 mg. with no issues (which would be equivalent to 1500 mg. Berberine).

You're the only person I've ever heard say that Prime XT hurt their stomach and there's people running that at 8+ caps per day long term; so it may be a case of you just having a very sensitive stomach.

Alpha One - I would do just one softgel with food and not worry about going up to 2.

Prime XT - honestly, if you can't take at least 6 per day, I wouldn't bother to take it. Not saying you can't start out at a low dose and try to build up, but I've never heard of it bothering anyone's stomach and there's some pretty extreme dosing that some people do with that.

 

[CATdiesel76]

Berberine is hard on a lot of people's stomachs; I can't take more than 500 mg. regular Berberine per day, but can use GlucoVantage at up to 300 mg. with no issues (which would be equivalent to 1500 mg. Berberine).

You're the only person I've ever heard say that Prime XT hurt their stomach and there's people running that at 8+ caps per day long term; so it may be a case of you just having a very sensitive stomach.

Alpha One - I would do just one softgel with food and not worry about going up to 2.

Prime XT - honestly, if you can't take at least 6 per day, I wouldn't bother to take it. Not saying you can't start out at a low dose and try to build up, but I've never heard of it bothering anyone's stomach and there's some pretty extreme dosing that some people do with that.

Yeah at one point I was taking 9. I introduced alpha one shortly there after so maybe it was the culprit. My stomach is weird as in so many things don’t bother it. Never have heart burn or acid reflux or anything. But it’s all other on things. Sometimes I can drink a gallon of milk a day with no issues for months. Sometimes for a few days one glass will mess me up. Been taking some products that have helped tremendously so want to add prime again. Been off trt for 2 months after being on for 10 years so I can try to have a kid with the wife. Been running lots of sns and cel products and strength and libido have held on pretty good. Dropped 12lbs but also gave up drinking and bread for lent so think it’s more that.

I know the Hcg is helping with how I feel but going to add in some more stuff to help. The endo, Ursa caps, and peptibolic have seemed to be doing great. I’m super lean and maintaining some good size.

 

[sns8778]

Yeah at one point I was taking 9. I introduced alpha one shortly there after so maybe it was the culprit. My stomach is weird as in so many things don’t bother it. Never have heart burn or acid reflux or anything. But it’s all other on things. Sometimes I can drink a gallon of milk a day with no issues for months. Sometimes for a few days one glass will mess me up. Been taking some products that have helped tremendously so want to add prime again. Been off trt for 2 months after being on for 10 years so I can try to have a kid with the wife. Been running lots of sns and cel products and strength and libido have held on pretty good. Dropped 12lbs but also gave up drinking and bread for lent so think it’s more that.

I know the Hcg is helping with how I feel but going to add in some more stuff to help. The endo, Ursa caps, and peptibolic have seemed to be doing great. I’m super lean and maintaining some good size.

With someone like yourself, where their stomach sensitivity varies, like what you said with milk - it can be tough to tell what is bothering your stomach because it may not be one particular thing, but a combination of things. I've used the example of myself before with foods - because it would be really easy for me to blame a supplement or medication for bothering my stomach if I had started one at the time this happens - I cannot eat eggs and red sauce close together. I can do either/or, but if I do both in the same few hours, sometimes same day, it will bother my stomach. It took me a long time to figure it out because it was confusing that I could do both with no issues and just so happens its the combination that gets me.

I would start back on Prime XT first and that way you can see if it bothers you, which it likely won't.

This time, when you start back on Alpha One, start back taking it with a meal. It does not need to be taken pre-workout - people do that for pumps, but the pumps and muscle fullness from it come from the effects of it and do not need to be timed specifically before working out. You do not need to go up to 2 per day, but if you decide to, do not try to until you've acclimated to 1 softgel per day - and then once you're sure you've acclimated to it, wait 2 more weeks to make sure you've really acclimated to it.

 

[ehunterg]

Can this be stacked with Forskolin XT or will that risk an upset stomach?

 

[sns8778]

Can this be stacked with Forskolin XT or will that risk an upset stomach?

There are a lot of people that stack it with Forskolin XT.

On page 2 of the thread, @mechka_grizli posted his experience about it - and I use him as an example because he already shared this and also because he has talked about how Forskolin in general bothers his stomach for a few days until he acclimates to it.

Here is part of his post:

Over the months , I tried these along side PA-XT, X Gels (the absolute most painful pumps of my life), Recomp20, and Stanoplex. Also tried along side 75mg (daily) of Forskolin XT and noticed zero stomach discomfort when adding it in, and Forskolin no matter the potency always bothers me for a few days.

Here's a link to his post: https://anabolicminds.com/community...t-incredible-pumps.338248/page-2#post-6823347

 

[ehunterg]

There are a lot of people that stack it with Forskolin XT.

On page 2 of the thread, @mechka_grizli posted his experience about it - and I use him as an example because he already shared this and also because he has talked about how Forskolin in general bothers his stomach for a few days until he acclimates to it.

Here is part of his post:

Over the months , I tried these along side PA-XT, X Gels (the absolute most painful pumps of my life), Recomp20, and Stanoplex. Also tried along side 75mg (daily) of Forskolin XT and noticed zero stomach discomfort when adding it in, and Forskolin no matter the potency always bothers me for a few days.

Here's a link to his post: https://anabolicminds.com/community...t-incredible-pumps.338248/page-2#post-6823347

Always appreciate your quick responses!