sns8778
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I think that would be a great addition to the stack.
CEL Alpha One - Natural Anabolic Recomposition Agent + Incredible Pumps
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I think that would be a great addition to the stack.
Joshlm69
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My mini update on going from 1 cap to 2.
Definite increase in pump/fullness in the gym no question. However I did have slight cramps during the session, but didnt hinder it. When I got home I had to do bad bad things to my toilet unfortunately
. I will continue taking 2 caps to see if this stops after a few days.
Weird to not experience anything on 1 cap but going to 2 made that happen. I would have thought if I was cAMP sensitive 1 cap would have shown that.
Definite increase in pump/fullness in the gym no question. However I did have slight cramps during the session, but didnt hinder it. When I got home I had to do bad bad things to my toilet unfortunately
. I will continue taking 2 caps to see if this stops after a few days.Weird to not experience anything on 1 cap but going to 2 made that happen. I would have thought if I was cAMP sensitive 1 cap would have shown that.
sns8778
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My mini update on going from 1 cap to 2.
Definite increase in pump/fullness in the gym no question. However I did have slight cramps during the session, but didnt hinder it. When I got home I had to do bad bad things to my toilet unfortunately
Weird to not experience anything on 1 cap but going to 2 made that happen. I would have thought if I was cAMP sensitive 1 cap would have shown that.
Did you take the second dose with food?
I understand where your thought process is coming from about cAMP sensitivity, but you're thinking about it in terms of like a yes/no to cAMP sensitivity, when you should be thinking about it in terms of - you may not be sensitive to it up to a certain point, but then may after a certain point, to which most people will acclimate to after a few days or some can avoid by taking it with food.
It's kind of like Forskolin - I can start at 50 mg. per day with minimal to no issues, then go up to 75 mg. then to 100 mg. and the 100 mg. may bother my stomach for a few days, then I get used to it.
Joshlm69
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I just took 2 caps PWO, which was about 1 hour after eating breakfast. I assumed I should be dosing both caps pwo, is that wrong?
sns8778
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I don't know if its so much a matter or right and wrong, as it is personal goals and preferences, but the way that you did it, it definitely makes sense that it bothered your stomach (you'll still likely acclimate to it). If you think about it, that's doubling the dose on an already strong product all at once.
If you go back to my example of Forskolin and how I can start with 50 mg. and then work up to 100 mg., that doesn't mean I can take 100 mg. at once haha.
The way that we suggest doing it per the suggested use is the way that I would do it myself - which is 1 softgel twice per day.
There are people that like to use both at one time, but that's more from a pumps perspective - whereas for me, I would be using it for improved body-composition and the pumps would just be a nice added benefit.
KimChee75
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I hate to keep updating this thread with my posts, but I feel like after a month on A1 it has fully kicked in. It kicked in after a few days, but my gym sessions are crazy now. I can say that A1 stacked with Prime feels like a mild PH like 1AD back about 20 years ago. My strength gains are incredible and I’m lifting weights I haven’t in years. I used to compete in powerlifting many years ago, and it feels good to be lifting heavy. I was worried my joint pain would increase with the increase weight but so far everything is holding together nicely. I am still in 1 gel a day. Still leaning out nicely though they had pizza at the hospital today and my GF wanted burgers and fries but other than that my diet has been solid.
Segansational
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I can unfortunately confirm that for me even 1 caps caused the stomach issues you mentioned above. Now I'm only on day 2, so going to give it the week to see if my body adjusts. And before anyone asks, yes, I'm sensitive to forskolin similarly - doesn't mean I don't use it once occassion, just perhaps not as frequent - and also taking first thing pre-WO fasted, due to the time of my workout schedule (5:30 AM).My mini update on going from 1 cap to 2.
Definite increase in pump/fullness in the gym no question. However I did have slight cramps during the session, but didnt hinder it. When I got home I had to do bad bad things to my toilet unfortunately. I will continue taking 2 caps to see if this stops after a few days.
Weird to not experience anything on 1 cap but going to 2 made that happen. I would have thought if I was cAMP sensitive 1 cap would have shown that.
. I will continue taking 2 caps to see if this stops after a few days.jfigliuolo
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I had similar issues. IF you cannot adjust after a week or so to one PRE-WO, try it with a big meal. I can't seem to take it on an empty stomach. I need a bigger meal to slow absorption. After a few weeks i'm going to try again in the AM to see if I have gotten acclimated to cAMP being raised.
sns8778
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If you already know that you are sensitive to cAMP increases, then I wouldn't take it on an empty stomach for the first week to two weeks. It would be best to take with a meal.
For people sensitive to cAMP increases, most people acclimate to 1 softgel per day within 2 weeks and most won't have any issues with it at all if they take it with a meal.
The pumps are so good that people tend to think it has to be taken before working out, but it doesn't.
Segansational
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Good to know. If timing doesn't really matter, I'm OK taking it with meals during the day. I'll still ride it out this week just for literal sh!ts and giggles (as I take all my other AM supps pre-WO for convenience), but if not then I'll switch to probably to with dinner.
sns8778
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I wouldn't worry about when you take it; the main thing is to use it daily.
The only advantage to using it pre-workout is that some people feel it helps with pumps more; but people that take it at different times of the day still see better pumps and muscle fullness with it.
Results wise - the main thing is to use it daily for best results.
Most people acclimate to it pretty quickly anyway.
Dustin07
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I take one in the morning fasted at tooth brush time with 90% of my other supplements. on the days I choose to take 2, the second one is usually preWO.
jfigliuolo
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Anyone having trouble bumping up to 2 day (1 morning one later), it took me FIVE weeks to finally be able to do it. I was skeptical it would happen. So if this applies to you take 1 with dinner, then every week or so try adding in another with breakfast. Be patient, like me it might just take a little longer than most.
ironfiend22
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Because of stomach issues?
jfigliuolo
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Yeah.... diarrhea
ironfiend22
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I've been getting the same. Notice any differences with 2 Vs 1?
sns8778
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He's been able to use 1 per day with no issues, but it took him awhile to be able to go up to 2 per day. He had to drop back down to 1 per day and stay at that dose for awhile before going back up to 2 per day.
Almost anyone can take 1 per day with no issues.
Some people that are cAMP sensitive may have issues with going up to 2 per day - which is why we address it in the write up.
A note about increasing cAMP:
Increasing cyclic adenosine monophosphate (cAMP) levels may cause stomach discomfort in some individuals. This is rare, but possible with any cAMP increasing supplements.
If individuals experience stomach discomfort with any cAMP increasing supplements, it is suggested that they take the supplements with food as that resolves it in most people. It is also suggested that the individual stay with the minimum suggested dose and not increase the dosage until the stomach discomfort subsides.
For people that do have issues going up to 2 per day, here are some tips:
- Take it with food.
- Space out the dosages - 1 softgel twice per day
- Remember that 1 per day is equivalent to the dosage range used in the study - so taking 1 per day is not too weak of a dose at all.
- If you find that taking 2 per day bothers your stomach, go back to taking 1 and stay at that dose for a few weeks before trying to go back up.
A lot of people instead of doing that take both at one time - which I think is because its so great for pumps that people assume they want to take both before their workout for even better pumps - and it may be better that way for pumps, but for the body-composition and recomp benefits, it would be better to take 1 twice per day anyway and its also less likely to bother a persons stomach, especially if taken with food.
3ChainedAminos
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Disclaimer, I do not take this product, so I cannot try this myself. I’ve noticed that there are a few that get diarrhea from alpha one. I know it’s from cedar oil so it will probably taste terrible, but has anyone tried cutting the soft gel and diluting it in their preworkout? I feel like the dilution would help. I feel like taking a soft gel whole, it will get to your stomach and start to breakdown, and you get a concentrated dose of the oil right at your stomach/intestines . I am also terrible at explaining things so I hope that makes sense.
sns8778
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I know that you're trying to be helpful - but no one should do that.
Do NOT open the softgel and take it that way and do NOT try to use it topically.
It's not the ingredient, its one of the mechanisms of action of the ingredient - increasing cAMP.
Whether its a-Cedrene, Forskolin, or cAMP drugs - studies on increasing cAMP have shown that some people are sensitive to their cAMP levels going up. Basically, the same mechanism through which these things work makes some people (about 5%) have some stomach issues when they first start using them. On average, it takes about 5 to 10 days for the body to acclimate to the increased cAMP levels.
I tell people the same thing with Forskolin XT because it increases cAMP - so many people ask about taking more than the suggested use. I don't tell anyone to exceed the bottle dose, but I know 100 mg. (double the dose) is a very common dosage, but I always tell people to not start with that - to use 50 mg. for a couple of weeks even if it doesn't bother you at all, before increasing the dose.
Alpha One is a strong product - 1 softgel is equivalent to the amount used in the studies.
Alpha One is a great product and it is rarely going to bother anyone's stomach at 1 softgel.
It's rarely going to bother most people's stomachs if they go to 2 softgels - if they do it the way the bottle says and start with 1 softgel and then when they go to 2, space the dosage out and take with food. For the people that do, drop back to 1 per day and take 1 per day for at least 2 to 3 weeks before trying to go up again - or just stay at 1 per day.
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3ChainedAminos
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Ok, so do NOT listen to what I said earlier everyone lol. Was just trying to help with a solution, didn’t realize it was the mode of action.
jfigliuolo
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Besides what Steve already mentioned. Nothing really. BUT, I am not taking in pre-wo yet (empty stomach). So any benefits I do expect to see would be more from recomp which just takes time. I'll likely try it next week pre/wo. Giving my body time to adjust to the new level for a few weeks.
Segansational
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I'm two weeks in and it probably took me a good 1.5 - 2 weeks to fully adjust to the 1 soft gel, but I'm confident now that I've adjusted accordingly.
Will be interested to hear if you think you notice a substantial difference at 2 soft gel or not. Honestly, I'm unsure if I'll bump it up, but if so will take second dose with dinner to space out as long as possible.
sns8778
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I think that there is some misconception that's occurred later on in this thread that a person needs to take 2 and that 1 wouldn't be effective, so let me clear that up.
1 softgel = 1,000 mg. = the dose used in the study
The original labels that we had made said 1 softgel per day and they also didn't emphasize pumps.
When we received the softgels for this, we had allowed some people to try it early for feedback - a good variety of people, male and female, and ages 20 thru 60's, including many well respected members here, both natural and people that use AAS.
The feedback was so good for pumps and so many people liked 2 per day, that we had the labels reprinted and emphasized pumps more on them and also changed the dosage to allow people to take 2 per day if they wanted to.
1 softgel = 1,000 mg. = the dose used in the study
The original labels that we had made said 1 softgel per day and they also didn't emphasize pumps.
When we received the softgels for this, we had allowed some people to try it early for feedback - a good variety of people, male and female, and ages 20 thru 60's, including many well respected members here, both natural and people that use AAS.
The feedback was so good for pumps and so many people liked 2 per day, that we had the labels reprinted and emphasized pumps more on them and also changed the dosage to allow people to take 2 per day if they wanted to.
sns8778
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Enhancing cAMP can do a lot of great things for the body and deliver a lot of great benefits - it's a powerful tool for recomp, losing fat, muscle fullness and hardness, pumps, endurance, and a lot more.
However, some people (roughly 5%) have to acclimate to increased levels of cAMP and may experience some form of digestive discomfort for a week or two - this is acclimating to increased levels of cAMP in the body - not specific to a particular product. It has been evidenced in studies on many different cAMP ingredients and cAMP drugs.
The upside to that is that it means that its working because if you're cAMP sensitive and experience that, then it tells you that you cAMP levels are increasing.
Here is some helpful info:
We spent a lot of time and money to be able to offer the industry's first 95%+ a-Cedrene supplement and the feedback has been very good - as people can read through the thread and see for themselves.
This was a product that I had put off when originally asked about and was hesitant to even do because of a very simple fact - anything that works to increase cAMP is going to bother some people's stomachs - that's a fact - because some people are sensitive to their cAMP levels increasing.
So by definition, if it actually works, they're going to be sensitive to it working - and although they adapt quickly, usually within 1 to 2 weeks, the people that this happens with tend to complain and deter other people from wanting to try the product.
However, some people (roughly 5%) have to acclimate to increased levels of cAMP and may experience some form of digestive discomfort for a week or two - this is acclimating to increased levels of cAMP in the body - not specific to a particular product. It has been evidenced in studies on many different cAMP ingredients and cAMP drugs.
The upside to that is that it means that its working because if you're cAMP sensitive and experience that, then it tells you that you cAMP levels are increasing.
Here is some helpful info:
- For most people, 1 per day will not cause any issues at all.
- For the ones that it does, taking it with a meal will offset these issues for most everyone.
- Most people won't have any issues taking 2, especially if you don't have any issues with 1.
- If you have issues with 1, stay on 1 for awhile before trying 2 and if you have issues with 2, go back to 1 and stay on 1 for at least 3 weeks before trying 2 again.
We spent a lot of time and money to be able to offer the industry's first 95%+ a-Cedrene supplement and the feedback has been very good - as people can read through the thread and see for themselves.
This was a product that I had put off when originally asked about and was hesitant to even do because of a very simple fact - anything that works to increase cAMP is going to bother some people's stomachs - that's a fact - because some people are sensitive to their cAMP levels increasing.
So by definition, if it actually works, they're going to be sensitive to it working - and although they adapt quickly, usually within 1 to 2 weeks, the people that this happens with tend to complain and deter other people from wanting to try the product.
CATdiesel76
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Is cAMP elevation one of the reasons berbrine effects peoples stomach? Alpha one was hit or miss on my stomach at one cap and at two wrecked me. Prime wasn’t easy on mine either. I can’t take any form of berberine or Metformin unfortunately. Alpha one and prime were so good though that I dealt with stomach distress for 3 months on them but then couldn’t take it anymore. I was gassing out work and having an oil change a few times a day. Sucks because the results were incredible. Going to start back one cap of alpha one again and maybe one cap of prime and work up on prime to see if my stomach acclimates
sns8778
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Berberine is hard on a lot of people's stomachs; I can't take more than 500 mg. regular Berberine per day, but can use GlucoVantage at up to 300 mg. with no issues (which would be equivalent to 1500 mg. Berberine).
You're the only person I've ever heard say that Prime XT hurt their stomach and there's people running that at 8+ caps per day long term; so it may be a case of you just having a very sensitive stomach.
Alpha One - I would do just one softgel with food and not worry about going up to 2.
Prime XT - honestly, if you can't take at least 6 per day, I wouldn't bother to take it. Not saying you can't start out at a low dose and try to build up, but I've never heard of it bothering anyone's stomach and there's some pretty extreme dosing that some people do with that.
CATdiesel76
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Yeah at one point I was taking 9. I introduced alpha one shortly there after so maybe it was the culprit. My stomach is weird as in so many things don’t bother it. Never have heart burn or acid reflux or anything. But it’s all other on things. Sometimes I can drink a gallon of milk a day with no issues for months. Sometimes for a few days one glass will mess me up. Been taking some products that have helped tremendously so want to add prime again. Been off trt for 2 months after being on for 10 years so I can try to have a kid with the wife. Been running lots of sns and cel products and strength and libido have held on pretty good. Dropped 12lbs but also gave up drinking and bread for lent so think it’s more that.
I know the Hcg is helping with how I feel but going to add in some more stuff to help. The endo, Ursa caps, and peptibolic have seemed to be doing great. I’m super lean and maintaining some good size.
sns8778
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With someone like yourself, where their stomach sensitivity varies, like what you said with milk - it can be tough to tell what is bothering your stomach because it may not be one particular thing, but a combination of things. I've used the example of myself before with foods - because it would be really easy for me to blame a supplement or medication for bothering my stomach if I had started one at the time this happens - I cannot eat eggs and red sauce close together. I can do either/or, but if I do both in the same few hours, sometimes same day, it will bother my stomach. It took me a long time to figure it out because it was confusing that I could do both with no issues and just so happens its the combination that gets me.
I would start back on Prime XT first and that way you can see if it bothers you, which it likely won't.
This time, when you start back on Alpha One, start back taking it with a meal. It does not need to be taken pre-workout - people do that for pumps, but the pumps and muscle fullness from it come from the effects of it and do not need to be timed specifically before working out. You do not need to go up to 2 per day, but if you decide to, do not try to until you've acclimated to 1 softgel per day - and then once you're sure you've acclimated to it, wait 2 more weeks to make sure you've really acclimated to it.
sns8778
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There are a lot of people that stack it with Forskolin XT.
On page 2 of the thread, @mechka_grizli posted his experience about it - and I use him as an example because he already shared this and also because he has talked about how Forskolin in general bothers his stomach for a few days until he acclimates to it.
Here is part of his post:
Over the months , I tried these along side PA-XT, X Gels (the absolute most painful pumps of my life), Recomp20, and Stanoplex. Also tried along side 75mg (daily) of Forskolin XT and noticed zero stomach discomfort when adding it in, and Forskolin no matter the potency always bothers me for a few days.
Here's a link to his post: https://anabolicminds.com/community...t-incredible-pumps.338248/page-2#post-6823347
ehunterg
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Always appreciate your quick responses!
baldwanus
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I've only had stomach issues with A1 one time in the entire time I've been using it, which is 6+ months at this point, and that one time was when I took it on an empty stomach. Popped it in the morning before heading out for slowpitch softball, and when I got back home ~2 hours later, it was a river lmfao. I've never been willing to try taking it on an empty stomach again, could have just been a fluke... I've just stuck with taking it with a meal/shortly after a meal and no issues.
Mx1x1
Member
No, that's not normal. I had some stomach discomfort the first week because I jumped straight into 1 cap Alpha One and 6 caps (3x2) Urolithin-B. Whenever I dosed, so 3 times a day, I had to conrol myself not to puke but after a week it was fully gone. Months later still dosing the same without an issue
Joshlm69
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It is a quite “normal” response as it’s been discussed quite a lot. If you do suffer gastric issues on A1, the best solution is to try it with food instead of on an empty stomach.
Joshlm69
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Take it with food and don’t increase to 2 caps until your body has gotten used to it. When increasing to 2 caps, dose far apart, I.e dose 1 breakfast, dose 2 dinner
Mx1x1
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My bad then. Thought it was just some discomfort that's common and not uncontrollably explosive diarrhea as he experienced
Joshlm69
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I think its usually loose stool then at the more extreme end diarrhoea. I had it myself the first time dosing on an empty stomach, but since I've taken it with food I've had no issue.
I did make the mistake of taking 2 at once before early on, toilet didnt appreciate that lol
max silver
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I'm thinking in adding Alpha One into the already super stack I'm taking. I'm a few weeks into a combined Formeron/Myosynergy/Basic/Peptibolic run, but I feel I could use a little more body compositional support as my hunger is through the roof. I want to embrace the big appetite to maximize my anabolic potential, but at the same time I could probably use more support to keep the fat gains at bay a little bit.
sns8778
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Some people will experience some stomach discomfort when taking things to increase their cAMP levels. It's not normally the way you explained it, its more of a discomfort or loose stool but not the extreme you're explaining. But the fix for it would be the same - taking it with food until your body acclimates to your cAMP levels being increased.
I mentioned in the thread awhile back that its gotten so popular to take it pre-workout that some people assume you need to take it pre-workout and you don't. The main thing is consistent daily dosing. You may experience better pumps by taking it pre-workout, but you should still get the results taking it any time such as muscle fullness, improved body-composition, endurance, etc.
We mention this in the write up:
A note about increasing cAMP:
Increasing cyclic adenosine monophosphate (cAMP) levels may cause stomach discomfort in some individuals. This is rare, but possible with any cAMP increasing supplements.
If individuals experience stomach discomfort with any cAMP increasing supplements, it is suggested that they take the supplements with food as that resolves it in most people. It is also suggested that the individual stay with the minimum suggested dose and not increase the dosage until the stomach discomfort subsides.
zaareleq
Member
Thanks! I've had no issues with it since taking with food at night
BigSWOLE25
Member
I had the same problem after upping it to 2 gels a day. Then tried to go back to one and it still kept giving me bad stomach issues. I stopped for about 2 months. I recently went back on it a few days ago. Some lose stools but not as bad as it was. My workouts and recomp before I upped to the second gel a day were awesome. I had bought 6 bottles smh. So hopefully it goes away.
sns8778
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The way you explained it is that you used it the first time and didn't have any issues at one softgel but had issues when you went up to 2 softgels, then took a break and started back with 1 softgel, correct?
I just want to make sure I'm understanding correctly.
If one didn't bother you the first time, it shouldn't the second time in theory, but the first go round proves you're cAMP sensitive, so one bothers you at all, it would normally go away - and taking it with food would help you acclimate.
I would definitely suggest taking it with food for you or anyone that is cAMP sensitive.
Important point too is don't feel like you have to go up to 2 per day. A lot of people do, but 1 per day works great too and may be more suitable for cAMP sensitive people. And in your case, if you do decide to go up to 2 per day, I would stay at one for a month before doing so.
Alpha One is a great product and its ironic because it works through increasing cAMP, but increasing cAMP bothers some people's stomachs until they acclimate - so therefore, it being effective and doing what it is supposed to do can cause some stomach upset for the first week to two weeks for some people.
Main things I try to emphasize:
1) Taking it with food offsets that for most people.
2) It's okay to take one per day - that is an effective dose; and just like high dosing Forskolin is great for some people but not the best idea for some people, don't feel like you have to go up to 2 per day on Alpha One because one per day is very effective.
BigSWOLE25
Member
Correct as stated and I will stay at one indefinitely most likely. I got greedy thinking more will be better. I had commented on another post awhile back stating it was one of the best supplements I ever used. Taking it with food does make a difference.
KimChee75
Member
Just started my A1 back after not taking it for a few months. I’m enjoying trying all the different SNS/CEL products and going off them and adding them back so I understand what they are really doing for me. A1 and had a great workout tonight I need to make this a staple as it works so well @ just 1 capsule a day. Always have a great workout with A1 even if I feel tired after work, great pumps, and nice recomp effect. Couldn’t tolerate 2 caps a day but 1 cap a day makes a bottle last 2 months so I’m ok with it.
GQdaLEGEND
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Nice glad you are liking it ..me and my cousin tested this at 3caps with no issues but have seen your cases where one cap is perfect .. which is nice like you said extend the bottle and use it as a base staple
Although i will say after u get it accumulated in your system maybe 2 weeks in at 1 cap
Try 2 caps .. space the other one 6-8hrs before or after .. only reason i say is bc it does as a great leaning out agent in your system as cummalative effect where you just dont need it pre
But yea if 6-8hrs you have issue as well 1 cap is perfect
Thinking of stacking next ?
KimChee75
Member
I tried to do 2 caps a couple of times spaced out I just can’t tolerate it, and I’m taking enough stuff right now 1 cap is ok. I’m running Lean Edge (staple), I’m on my 3rd month of Anabolic Effect, Basis, and have a little bit of M-Test left, got a couple bottles Optimize T, and it’s been treating me very well. Would like to work Recomp20 back into the mix but it’s been out of stock for a while now. You?