Jeremy1
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I would be afraid my skin would rip to shreds haha J/k... Kinda
Looking forward to trying this!
CEL Alpha One - Natural Anabolic Recomposition Agent + Incredible Pumps
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Looking forward to trying this!
sns8778
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The write up in post #1 explains in great detail how it works - including how it helps build muscle.
If you have any questions about it, please let me know. I'll be glad to explain it or if it doesn't translate directly, I'll be glad to help try to.
It would make a really good stack with Recomp20 because they are both good for recomp and fat loss and work through different ways.
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max silver
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Would it be redundant/overkill to combine Alpha one with forskolin xt? I was planning to utilize forskolin xt and recomp 20 in a future cutting/recomp phase, and am wondering if alpha one would be a suitable/worthwhile addition to this stack.
Hyde
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I believe it was this thread that Resolve said he had good success stacking this with forskolin, and Steve just told someone in another thread that Alpha One would be a solid stacker with Recomp20.
sns8778
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It would make for a great stack with Forskolin XT and Recomp20.
One the people that used this early was stacking Alpha One with Forskolin XT and he loved it. He is a very respected longtime member here and I'm sure he will post at some point, he just doesn't get on here as much so he may have not seen it.
thescience
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it's my understanding that anything that increases cAMP will increase test and thyroid, but there is alot more involved that that. I lost about 7 solid pounds boosting cAMP with high doses of mostly forskolin carbonate which sets me back about $90/month but enables me to make abs "outside of the kitchen." personally, i keep my selenium and iodine high to ensure the ongoing weightloss. when i combined cAMP boosting with 6 caps of sns alpha yohimbine a day, the weightloss was endless. it was too much; i dont know how much more i would have lost if i had kept it up really, but i was losing strength with all that weight while eating above my normal surplus. just boosting the cAMP has allowed to keep all my weights up, which tells me im not losing muscle
thescience
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im going to try this, and then gauge any loss when stopping forskolin. the result of reducing forskolin in the past for me resulted in significant weight gain within a few days so the additional benefit should be pretty obvious
thescience
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im actually trying your 2 x 3 protocall, but i have 6 days left to work with. if i run out before the bottles i ordered arrived, i'll resume it at a later date so that i can see whats up with Alpha One. i feel more alert on that much urolithin b after just a few days, as well as more energized in my muscles. how long was it before you noticed benefits? how long before the strength increases?
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BigGame84
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About 5 days or so.
I also like 5 caps of Amentoflavone XT pre-workout. Try that if you can.
N2ofusion
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6 caps a day? Did I read that right??
Is anyone trying out the alliterative stack of Alpha Y and Alpha One? I’ve greatly scaled back my Y for the past couple months but wouldn’t mind a synergistic run for fat loss and energy.
thescience
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yes. you really start to feel it around day 15 and on. i understand some people are very sensitive to stimulants and that would be an insane amount to them. 2 caps x 3 and i took them right before eating which isnt ideal right because youll burn fat if you dont have the food; that didnt matter though; i was losing weight fast. it's possible that i got some grey hairs on my beard twice the two times i did that. there happens to be a connection between high adrenaline and melanin suppression, like when someone's hair goes totally white from a traumatic experience. wasnt really watching it tightly and could easily have been coincidental. there were some other abnormal observances at that dose
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sns8778
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I want to clarify something before this thread gets confusing.
Alpha One has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Alpha Yohimbine. Zero.
A person could stack them together if they would like to, but they have absolutely nothing to do with one another.
I just wanted to clarify that for anyone reading bc I didn't want anyone to get confused with the word Alpha being in both names.
sns8778
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I hope that you'll enjoy it. I look forward to hearing your feedback.
mechka_grizli
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Sorry i’m late. I too had a chance to try Alpha One early. My workouts are 90% strength focused with sets rarely going above eight reps.
Upon receiving the bulk softgels, I got a pretty decent pump doing my usual accessory work for biceps and triceps. It was extremely unusual because again, my workouts just aren’t really “pump friendly.”
This happened 2/3 times so I figured what the hell, let me throw in a higher rep arm session at the end of my workout and holy shite, I thought my skin was going to split apart.
For me, pumps usually feel like my muscle is swelling or ballooning, but these pumps felt more like the muscle was enclosed and trying to push it’s way out of the tight space. Really weird way to describe it but it’s accurate
Over the months , I tried these along side PA-XT, X Gels (the absolute most painful pumps of my life), Recomp20, and Stanoplex. Also tried along side 75mg (daily) of Forskolin XT and noticed zero stomach discomfort when adding it in, and Forskolin no matter the potency always bothers me for a few days.
Really great ingredient and plan to run it back again this winter with Prime & Anacyclus
Upon receiving the bulk softgels, I got a pretty decent pump doing my usual accessory work for biceps and triceps. It was extremely unusual because again, my workouts just aren’t really “pump friendly.”
This happened 2/3 times so I figured what the hell, let me throw in a higher rep arm session at the end of my workout and holy shite, I thought my skin was going to split apart.
For me, pumps usually feel like my muscle is swelling or ballooning, but these pumps felt more like the muscle was enclosed and trying to push it’s way out of the tight space. Really weird way to describe it but it’s accurate
Over the months , I tried these along side PA-XT, X Gels (the absolute most painful pumps of my life), Recomp20, and Stanoplex. Also tried along side 75mg (daily) of Forskolin XT and noticed zero stomach discomfort when adding it in, and Forskolin no matter the potency always bothers me for a few days.
Really great ingredient and plan to run it back again this winter with Prime & Anacyclus
GQdaLEGEND
Legend
im going back looking at my notes in a diary .. looks like i reported pumps/vascularity within first 3+ days and within first 7 days i noted strength+endurance coming in.
All my 1st week trial dosage was on empty stomach + no other supplements, and no caffine .. no issues for me
sns8778
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Thank you.
Without going into great detail, I feel that a-Cedrene 95%+ is superior to a-Ionone in every way. I would not be comfortable using a-Ionone in a supplement at the commonly available purity %'s. With a-Cedrene, we invested a lot of time and money into having a 95%+ made.
I don't think that it would be worth it to do that with a-Ionone bc even if we did, I couldn't honestly tell you that I think there would be a benefit to adding it to Alpha One and there are at least a dozen other products in our lineup that I would tell you would be better than it, and that's even if it worked in real world application the way it would be theorized to be.
I hope that makes sense. I just basically don't think it would be worth it as a company to do one nor worth it to consumers to buy it. I'm open to things that people want if there is enough demand, but just being honest about that.
sns8778
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Thank you for posting and sharing your feedback.
You had used these with and without food didn't you?
And what dose did you go up to on them?
I want to point out that Mecha didn't know what this was, and one of the reasons that I wanted him to try it was because I did know that Forskolin bothered his stomach for awhile when he started it. So since he was using Forskolin XT, he was a good candidate to really test out the stomach discomfort aspect of this and he wound up running this with 75 mg. Forskolin XT per day and multiple softgels per day with it and had zero stomach issues.
Some of his original feedback on this was funny bc of the level of pumps that he was getting, and his plus others feedback on the pumps led to us changing the labels to emphasize the pump aspect more on them.
thescience
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Did you say you introduced this to the masses? this sounds interesting. please elaborate
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thescience
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it can, and shall be
sns8778
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It can be and I think that a lot of people will stack this with Urolithin-B XT.
I think that a couple people may have already mentioned that that is their plan.
AknowledgeMe
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Is there a specific reason it should be stacked with Uro?
xtyler
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Yessir, same as Uro-b when I was still in this business. Then I disappeared for a few years. Older members know the deal
Not going to talk about this as in no way I'm going to derail this thread and the astonishing job Steve has done . I knew that if anyone had the skills to make it right, that would have been him
sns8778
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It's not that you need to stack it with Urolithin-B XT, that's just one good option to stack it with and it happens to be one that quite a few people on here are using at the moment.
Alpha One is versatile and could be stack with a wide variety of different things depending on individual goals.
That's part of the beauty of Alpha One is that it is so versatile and so unlike anything else, that it can be stacked with almost anything.
sns8778
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I'm glad to hear that you are seeing the pumps right away and that it has helped revive your workouts.
I'm looking forward to hearing more feedback and how you like it.
Hopefully some of the people that have used it will answer with their opinions on if the pumps continue to build up or are consistent from day one - but its great that you are getting them from day one.
From a science standpoint, the muscle fullness aspects should continue to build up some so I would expect that they could get even better and better.
Jdot11
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I know you mentioned this was an unexpected result, any idea the mechanism the pumps come from here?
thescience
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that is a really complex question. cAMP is moving intracellular calcium, its enabling some the effects of some hormones to get into cells and alot of other things that occur when cAMP is increased in the muscles. i would have expected awesome muscle hardness from a cedrene, but i havent seen it marketed for that until now, which is crazy because of the top notch pumps it produces. Alpha One is also the first extract that has people dosing it more optimally, as phenomenal quantities have been made affordable here
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sns8778
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My best guess is that there is likely more than one method of action contributing to it.
Even just increasing cAMP to a significant degree can contribute to pumps through more than one pathway - but I suspect that there's more to it than just that because of how quickly the pumps come about.
When I tried this I was doing a quick cut so was in a severe deficit and wasn't training at all because of some things going on at the time. I got a compliment in the grocery store that I must have just come from the gym and I hadn't touched a weight in weeks. So that shows that the fullness aspect isn't just related to a blood flow action from training.
sns8778
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I know that I had replied to this post already in this thread, but I wanted to follow up with you and see if you had any questions.
- Alpha One is non-hormonal and can be taken by men or women.
- You asked if it increases potency - I'm not sure what you mean by potency - but it increases lean muscle, strength, pumps, and fat loss.
- It will stack great with Recomp20 - different pathways of action/influence and will compliment each other very well.
I appreciate your excitement and enthusiasm for our products and I know that English isn't your language. You are always welcome to post in English if convenient, but if its hard to ask what you're trying to ask or convey that way, feel free to post it in your language and I will be glad to translate it and answer you the best I can.
I know that some of the terminology used in the Alpha One write up may not translate directly or could be hard to figure out because some of the pathways are so new.
The predominant known pathway are cAMP and the olfactory receptors - and I suspect that there are other pathways and methods of action as well.
Did the write up translate properly for you?
If you have questions, please ask - and I really am glad to translate, or if you're more comfortable, feel free to pm me.
I truly appreciate your enthusiasm and excitement for the products and want to make sure that I answer any questions that you may have.
Rattlesnake1
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I was also lucky enough to have tested this product early and wanted to report on my results with Alpha One. I used it through April, took May off, and started taking it again in June and have kept it as part of my overall stack. As with some of the other testers, I started with one cap for 5 days and then moved to two caps thereafter. I noticed no stomach issues at either dose.
Some background on me is I am in my early 50’s and train with a high intensity modality called Overcoming Isometrics (OI) on a specialized machine . The machine utilizes a force plate and tracks every second of the contraction on each exercise, giving peak force output as well as weight per second and overall pounds of each lift so I can track all aspects of each training session. I utilize mostly compound exercises based on Bronze Era strength training techniques and OI High Intensity protocols. I have been training exclusively with OI since 2004 and used Yeilding Isometrics and standard High Intensity lifting techniques prior to that. I have been strength training consistently since 1989 and train to failure on every set of every exercise, adjusting frequency and duration based on intensity and volume.
While using Alpha One I have been on a calorie restricted diet on and off from April through June (not as strict as I should have been) and since July, a stricter diet of around 2250 to 2500 calories (depending on daily energy expenditure) with a split of 35% carb, 45% protein, and 20% fat, carb loading prior to my training sessions to keep me from hitting the wall (a tip from Mike Mentzer from my phone consultation sessions with him in the 90’s). I have also been on a supplement stack that Steve was kind enough to put together for me and was already very pleased with the results prior to adding Alpha One to the stack.
So, what can I say about adding Alpha One to this program? First and foremost, I have come down roughly 12 lbs. from when I started using it, with an acceleration in weight loss over the last 4 weeks. During this time, in a calorie deficit, I have not lost strength but have continued to go up in strength on every exercise in each training session with some of the strength increases on par with when I am eating in a slight surplus. I also feel I am recovering better between training sessions, feeling stronger and less drained following the training and while maintaining a roughly 750 calorie deficit. There is also the added benefit of the muscle looking fuller and not flattening out while maintaining a calorie reduction and on a lower carbohydrate diet during the week. Gaining strength while dieting, and not flattening out, has always been an issue for me, so this alone is reason enough for me to keep this in my supplement routine going forward. I can’t say that I have experienced the same “pump” increase that many people have noted, but I use Pump Addict as a pre workout, which already results in a nice pump.
All in all, I think Alpha One has been a great addition to my training program and it’s up there with Anabolic Effect and Anabolic XT as my favorite natural anabolic supplements.
Lastly, I noticed that I needed about 5 to 6 weeks for Alpha One to build up in my system to really feel the benefits from it, so I would suggest giving it at least a 3-month trial period to accurately gauge how you do with it.
Some background on me is I am in my early 50’s and train with a high intensity modality called Overcoming Isometrics (OI) on a specialized machine . The machine utilizes a force plate and tracks every second of the contraction on each exercise, giving peak force output as well as weight per second and overall pounds of each lift so I can track all aspects of each training session. I utilize mostly compound exercises based on Bronze Era strength training techniques and OI High Intensity protocols. I have been training exclusively with OI since 2004 and used Yeilding Isometrics and standard High Intensity lifting techniques prior to that. I have been strength training consistently since 1989 and train to failure on every set of every exercise, adjusting frequency and duration based on intensity and volume.
While using Alpha One I have been on a calorie restricted diet on and off from April through June (not as strict as I should have been) and since July, a stricter diet of around 2250 to 2500 calories (depending on daily energy expenditure) with a split of 35% carb, 45% protein, and 20% fat, carb loading prior to my training sessions to keep me from hitting the wall (a tip from Mike Mentzer from my phone consultation sessions with him in the 90’s). I have also been on a supplement stack that Steve was kind enough to put together for me and was already very pleased with the results prior to adding Alpha One to the stack.
So, what can I say about adding Alpha One to this program? First and foremost, I have come down roughly 12 lbs. from when I started using it, with an acceleration in weight loss over the last 4 weeks. During this time, in a calorie deficit, I have not lost strength but have continued to go up in strength on every exercise in each training session with some of the strength increases on par with when I am eating in a slight surplus. I also feel I am recovering better between training sessions, feeling stronger and less drained following the training and while maintaining a roughly 750 calorie deficit. There is also the added benefit of the muscle looking fuller and not flattening out while maintaining a calorie reduction and on a lower carbohydrate diet during the week. Gaining strength while dieting, and not flattening out, has always been an issue for me, so this alone is reason enough for me to keep this in my supplement routine going forward. I can’t say that I have experienced the same “pump” increase that many people have noted, but I use Pump Addict as a pre workout, which already results in a nice pump.
All in all, I think Alpha One has been a great addition to my training program and it’s up there with Anabolic Effect and Anabolic XT as my favorite natural anabolic supplements.
Lastly, I noticed that I needed about 5 to 6 weeks for Alpha One to build up in my system to really feel the benefits from it, so I would suggest giving it at least a 3-month trial period to accurately gauge how you do with it.
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Matrixxx1984
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Thanks for the clarification Steve, I really appreciate you following up on each question and trying to provide the information thoroughly. I
Thanks for the clarification Steve. I appreciate your work and how you carefully and thoroughly answer questions. I am very interested in everything related to your products. Sometimes there are so many questions that I don’t even know how to formulate them in my own language) I have been selling various extracts for a long time to improve the health and performance of my clients.Previously, I had to combine a bunch of extracts separately in order to draw a certain scheme of action in my head for the best effect.And when I saw your products, it was like I found the Holy Grail) I test everything I sell and recommend to my clients and friends on myself first of all, so sometimes a lot of questions arise)Thanks for keeping me updated on the latest developments.
sns8778
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You're very welcome. You seem like a really nice person and I really appreciate your enthusiasm about the products.
And thank you for the kind words. I really do appreciate that.
Just please know that I am glad to translate for you. If something posts in your language like some threads have, I'm always glad to put it in translate and let people reading know what it says so they can contribute and follow along.
And I know that sometimes the translation tool isn't going to get things exactly right and I also know that sometimes for certain science terms, there just simply may not be a direct translation. It's okay, I'm glad to answer your questions the best that I can and if it takes us a little while or a couple clarifications to make sure we know what each other means, that's okay.
I thought some of the science of this ingredient using some newer terminology may not translate directly, and that's why I wanted to follow up with you on your post and make sure that the write up did answer them; and if it didn't, I didn't want you to feel like you couldn't ask me anything that you wanted to.
The main thing I wanted you to know is that I appreciate your enthusiasm for the products and I'm always glad to answer your questions and help you in any way that I can.
Matrixxx1984
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AknowledgeMe
Member
Mine is at post office for delivery today! Pretty intrigued to try this stuff.
xtyler
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I have nothing, zero, zip, nada to gain when this product gloriously takes off as I can easily anticipate.
That being said, when it comes to natural anabolics this compound is going to be a GAME CHANGER.
It's an expression that I generally hate but this time it's well warranted.
That being said, when it comes to natural anabolics this compound is going to be a GAME CHANGER.
It's an expression that I generally hate but this time it's well warranted.
mechka_grizli
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Yes sir!!!! I train fasted and wash down my morning pills with nothing but plain H2O. I started off taking one softgel pre workout with my other supps (which included 25mg of Forskolin Xt). Never noticed any stomach discomfort. I would like to add that I split the timing of some of my supplements because some bother me when taken on an empty stomach and some dont.
I then added another softgel later in the day (wake up at 5, first dose is at 6, would take the second softgel at 2) with my other supps and again, never noticed any stomach discomfort.
My second doses were mostly with food and I didnt notice a drop in effect
Matrixxx1984
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They can only deliver my alpha 1 to me in 20-30 days(
Segansational
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It's been a minute since seeing you around here. What's good?
I've always had a more sensitive stomach for these type of things, forskolin and glycerol-based supps as example. So the early feedback I heard on this elsewhere was a deterrent. Honestly, not sure I'll even try this version, but guess I'll wait to hear some more feedback and see how it pans out.
AknowledgeMe
Member
What can I expect in terms of fat loss?
Hyde
Legend
Both of those things generally bother me as well. Remember when I was taking all those clear capsules? And I often fast non-training mornings, but they never gave me a problem.
I would often get a burp the flavor of the oil though. It was a bizarre flavor, almost like an alcohol - but it never gave me heartburn or bothered my stomach at all. The burps also seemed to greatly lessen over time, which made me sad because for some reason I had come to actually really love the flavor/scent when I did. Whenever I took with food, like preWO or my evening dose, it was very rare to get a burp.
sns8778
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Alpha One is non-hormonal and shouldn't have any impact on testosterone.
When we sent some out to people to be able to use it early, we had both men and women trying it.
I haven't heard any feedback mentioning libido, so I wouldn't expect it to help with that; it's possible in some people, but if it does, I would consider that an unexpected plus.
Recomp20 is great for testosterone levels and libido, but works through primarily different pathways.
Alpha One and Recomp20 would be a great stack.