CEL Alpha One - Natural Anabolic Recomposition Agent + Incredible Pumps

Segansational said:
It's been a minute since seeing you around here. What's good?

I've always had a more sensitive stomach for these type of things, forskolin and glycerol-based supps as example. So the early feedback I heard on this elsewhere was a deterrent. Honestly, not sure I'll even try this version, but guess I'll wait to hear some more feedback and see how it pans out.
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I've done my best to explain this in this thread - in the opening posts and a couple of times since then.

I completely understand hesitation if viewing this in light of existing products, but its important to realize that this is completely different. There isn't anything else comparable to it and there hasn't been anything else comparable to it bc of the percentage purity.

xTyler mentioned himself that he was glad to see this done the right way with a higher purity percentage.

This is the first 95%+ a-Cedrene supplement.

It's not the a-Cedrene that causes stomach issues, its the other material that may potentially cause that. That's why went put the time, money, and testing into doing a 95%+ version because we weren't willing to do a lower percentage one ourselves.

This was the math I broke down in post #2 in the thread about you could use a weeks worth of this and get less other material than 1 dose of a lower percentage one.

I'm never going to tell anyone that something is never going to upset anyone's stomach - there are people that can't even take Vitamin C on an empty stomach, there are people that a simple B-Complex will upset their stomach.

But what we can do and have done is let quite a few people try this early to be able to gauge that - and many of them have posted their feedback in this thread themselves, including some that have very sensitive stomachs.

I even mentioned in the write up that there is a small percentage of people that anytime they increase their body's cAMP levels that they may experience some stomach discomfort for the first 2 weeks - but that's not related to any product, its related to the way their own body reacts to their cAMP levels increasing. A good side to that though is that the people that seem the most sensitive to cAMP increases also seem to see very significant results from cAMP increases.

There has been a lot of feedback already in the thread and a lot of it is from people that you know pretty well on here.
 
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Matrixxx1984 said:
I order on the website here in Ukraine Invalid Link Removed I understand that they are the only ones who deliver the goods CEL а And SNS
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Thank you. We don't sell directly to them, so they must buy from someone we sell to. That's fine, a lot of companies do.

The reason for it taking awhile may be that they may not have it in stock yet, so they may be having to take into account time for whoever they buy from to get it in stock and get it from them.

I'm not sure if retailers in the EU deliver to the Ukraine or not. I'll be glad to ask if you want me to.

We've shipped direct to the Ukraine ourselves a couple of times.
 
sns8778 said:
Thank you. We don't sell directly to them, so they must buy from someone we sell to. That's fine, a lot of companies do.

The reason for it taking awhile may be that they may not have it in stock yet, so they may be having to take into account time for whoever they buy from to get it in stock and get it from them.

I'm not sure if retailers in the EU deliver to the Ukraine or not. I'll be glad to ask if you want me to.

We've shipped direct to the Ukraine ourselves a couple of times.
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I would be grateful if you knew if they deliver.
 
Matrixxx1984 said:
I would be grateful if you knew if they deliver.
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I emailed a retailer in the UK that sells our products and asked if they have shipped to the Ukraine. I know they ship to a lot of Europe, but not sure about the Ukraine so I asked them for you.

We have ourselves some. I'll ask my office manager tomorrow if we've ever had any issues shipping there. As far as I know, everything has went through fine when we have in the past.
 
xtyler said:
I have nothing, zero, zip, nada to gain when this product gloriously takes off as I can easily anticipate.
That being said, when it comes to natural anabolics this compound is going to be a GAME CHANGER.
It's an expression that I generally hate but this time it's well warranted.
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@xtyler I have followed your posts and have seen you mention urolithin-b with the same excitement, so what would you say could be accomplished with a stack of urolithin-b and a-cedrene in regards to muscle growth? On par with sarms/prohormones?
 
sns8778 said:
I emailed a retailer in the UK that sells our products and asked if they have shipped to the Ukraine. I know they ship to a lot of Europe, but not sure about the Ukraine so I asked them for you.

We have ourselves some. I'll ask my office manager tomorrow if we've ever had any issues shipping there. As far as I know, everything has went through fine when we have in the past.
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Thank you very much Steve
 
THEstudent said:
@xtyler I have followed your posts and have seen you mention urolithin-b with the same excitement, so what would you say could be accomplished with a stack of urolithin-b and a-cedrene in regards to muscle growth? On par with sarms/prohormones?
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These comparisons always end up being kind of a rabbit hole so I won't make any. BUT I can say that PED's aside, can't get better than this.
 
xtyler said:
These comparisons always end up being kind of a rabbit hole so I won't make any. BUT I can say that PED's aside, can't get better than this.
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with this opinion in mind what phase would you say it's most effective? deficit, surplus, maintenance? which would be most noticeable?
 
AknowledgeMe said:
Is there any reason to not just jump into 2 pills daily right away?
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You can, and I suspect that a lot of people will.

The reason that we suggest to start off at 1 softgel per day is just an err'ing on the side of caution type of thing.

If someone starts at 2 and they find that they fall into the category of people that their cAMP levels going up quickly causes a bit of stomach discomfort, then they can just go back down to 1 softgel per day.
 
Jdot11 said:
with this opinion in mind what phase would you say it's most effective? deficit, surplus, maintenance? which would be most noticeable?
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Hopefully he will reply with his opinion on this too, but I think part of the beauty of this ingredient is the way that it works via helping to build muscle and lose fat, is that it fits pretty perfectly into any scenario.

Fat Loss/Deficit - it will help you lose fat and build or retain muscle.
Bulking/Surplus - it will help you build muscle and minimize fat gain.
Recomp - it is perfect for recomp and helping build muscle and lose fat.

I could see this being something that many people will consider moreso a part of their long-term body-composition supplement regimens than something that they cycle, because of its benefits and also because of how well it can stack with almost anything.
 
sns8778 said:
Hopefully he will reply with his opinion on this too, but I think part of the beauty of this ingredient is the way that it works via helping to build muscle and lose fat, is that it fits pretty perfectly into any scenario.

Fat Loss/Deficit - it will help you lose fat and build or retain muscle.
Bulking/Surplus - it will help you build muscle and minimize fat gain.
Recomp - it is perfect for recomp and helping build muscle and lose fat.

I could see this being something that many people will consider moreso a part of their long-term body-composition supplement regimens than something that they cycle, because of its benefits and also because of how well it can stack with almost anything.
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Oh i fully agree, as a matter of fact i am thinking about ordering more soon to see how it goes over the course of a full year. i have about 8-10 weeks to transition from cutting to maintaining then eventually a surplus.
 
sns8778 said:
You can, and I suspect that a lot of people will.

The reason that we suggest to start off at 1 softgel per day is just an err'ing on the side of caution type of thing.

If someone starts at 2 and they find that they fall into the category of people that their cAMP levels going up quickly causes a bit of stomach discomfort, then they can just go back down to 1 softgel per day.
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What would be signs of increased Camp?
 
AknowledgeMe said:
What would be signs of increased Camp?
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You want to increase cAMP - it will help you build muscle and burn fat.

But as noted in the first post:
Increasing cyclic adenosine monophosphate (cAMP) levels may cause stomach discomfort in some individuals. This is rare, but possible with any cAMP increasing supplements.

If individuals experience stomach discomfort with any cAMP increasing supplements, it is suggested that they take the supplements with food as that resolves it in most people. It is also suggested that the individual stay with the minimum suggested dose and not increase the dosage until the stomach discomfort subsides.


^^^ Hence why we make the suggestion to stat with 1 softgel per day. We have no way of knowing if someone's individual body is going to be sensitive to their cAMP going up. You want it to go up, that's a good thing - but it's estimated that in about 5% of people a cAMP increase may cause some stomach upset for the first 2 weeks. So basically, for about 1 out of every 20 people, it may be advantageous to start off with 1 softgel per day rather than go to 2.

At a certain point, you just run out of label space to explain all that on a bottle, so you just say:
Take 1 softgel per day for the first 5 days, and then increase to 2 softgels per day if desired.

In laymen's terms, if you start off at 2 per day and you notice any stomach discomfort, go back to 1 per day. In your case, you already posted that you started at 2 and there was no stomach discomfort :)
 
Jdot11 said:
Oh i fully agree, as a matter of fact i am thinking about ordering more soon to see how it goes over the course of a full year. i have about 8-10 weeks to transition from cutting to maintaining then eventually a surplus.
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I look forward to hearing your feedback. I'd be interested to see your thoughts on it during the different phases.
 
sns8778 said:
You want to increase cAMP - it will help you build muscle and burn fat.

But as noted in the first post:
Increasing cyclic adenosine monophosphate (cAMP) levels may cause stomach discomfort in some individuals. This is rare, but possible with any cAMP increasing supplements.

If individuals experience stomach discomfort with any cAMP increasing supplements, it is suggested that they take the supplements with food as that resolves it in most people. It is also suggested that the individual stay with the minimum suggested dose and not increase the dosage until the stomach discomfort subsides.


^^^ Hence why we make the suggestion to stat with 1 softgel per day. We have no way of knowing if someone's individual body is going to be sensitive to their cAMP going up. You want it to go up, that's a good thing - but it's estimated that in about 5% of people a cAMP increase may cause some stomach upset for the first 2 weeks. So basically, for about 1 out of every 20 people, it may be advantageous to start off with 1 softgel per day rather than go to 2.

At a certain point, you just run out of label space to explain all that on a bottle, so you just say:
Take 1 softgel per day for the first 5 days, and then increase to 2 softgels per day if desired.

In laymen's terms, if you start off at 2 per day and you notice any stomach discomfort, go back to 1 per day. In your case, you already posted that you started at 2 and there was no stomach discomfort :)
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Took the second one an hour ago…no stomach issues!!!
 
sns8778 said:
Hopefully he will reply with his opinion on this too, but I think part of the beauty of this ingredient is the way that it works via helping to build muscle and lose fat, is that it fits pretty perfectly into any scenario.

Fat Loss/Deficit - it will help you lose fat and build or retain muscle.
Bulking/Surplus - it will help you build muscle and minimize fat gain.
Recomp - it is perfect for recomp and helping build muscle and lose fat.

I could see this being something that many people will consider moreso a part of their long-term body-composition supplement regimens than something that they cycle, because of its benefits and also because of how well it can stack with almost anything.
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I'm ll keep it short and straight.
100% cosign Steve's reply from A to Z.
Versatility at its finest.
 
Steve, do you think the level of pumps people are having with this could hurt endurance efforts? Running, cycling and swimming with pumped legs is brutal. I'm a huge fan of other things you've put out recently so I'm interested to try this if it won't effect my high rep workouts or endurance events poorly.
 
Not sure if cAMP increase could happen so quick but just the past few days the deficit i've been on for a good while is making me bit hungrier at times. It'll be interesting to see how my weight reacts.
 
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Hans7 said:
Steve, do you think the level of pumps people are having with this could hurt endurance efforts? Running, cycling and swimming with pumped legs is brutal. I'm a huge fan of other things you've put out recently so I'm interested to try this if it won't effect my high rep workouts or endurance events poorly.
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The feedback so far has been it helping endurance.

I believe @Resolve10 mentioned that he noticed good pumps but no impairment with endurance training.

I think the best way to describe it is that’s what a few people have meant about the pumps with this being different than the pumps with like pre-workout supplements.
 
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I could have gone longer on the treadmill chasing the pump.

I could have gone 3hr in the gym doing the same.

I think people are overthinking the comments on the pump. It's an amazing feeling that is unique to this ingredient and not a feeling you want to end anytime soon.
 
AknowledgeMe said:
Any effect on erection?
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I haven't heard anyone say that it improved erection quality, but one of the older gentleman that we had try it said that it helped him go longer during sex. Not that it made him last longer, but that he felt like he could do it for longer physically. (This wasn't an athletic person - we had given some out to non-training individuals to see how they felt bc this has so much potential for longevity and healthy aging properties and muscle loss).
 
Bump for due recognition
This product took so much time and effort to come to actual fruition
From deep research to real world trials to proper manufacturing to mass scale production to make it affordable !
 
xtyler said:
Bump for due recognition
This product took so much time and effort to come to actual fruition
From deep research to real world trials to proper manufacturing to mass scale production to make it affordable !
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How long before noticing fat loss changes?
 
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sns8778 said:
Thank you.

Without going into great detail, I feel that a-Cedrene 95%+ is superior to a-Ionone in every way. I would not be comfortable using a-Ionone in a supplement at the commonly available purity %'s. With a-Cedrene, we invested a lot of time and money into having a 95%+ made.

I don't think that it would be worth it to do that with a-Ionone bc even if we did, I couldn't honestly tell you that I think there would be a benefit to adding it to Alpha One and there are at least a dozen other products in our lineup that I would tell you would be better than it, and that's even if it worked in real world application the way it would be theorized to be.

I hope that makes sense. I just basically don't think it would be worth it as a company to do one nor worth it to consumers to buy it. I'm open to things that people want if there is enough demand, but just being honest about that.
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Understand
I will try this soon
 
nikosktm said:
nice i will stock 3 bottle. as i can see also stanoplex 300 is back. i think it is a very effective stack
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We haven't sold out of Stano-Plex yet. Once its sold out, its gone for good.

I honestly thought it would have sold out of stock quicker than it has, but I think part of the issue is that we have so many great natural anabolics for recomp now days like Recomp20 and Alpha One, that people are just choosing them over it.
 
Ordered the 3 pack and am looking forward to using them at some point. My basement is starting to look like an SNS/CEL/MA brick and mortar haha.
 
Resolve10 said:
My recent Prime XT review I talked about lack of pumps specifically.

For Alpha One I was in a pretty aggressive cut so I wasn't doing my cardio as "intense" or for performance. I was running 30 minutes twice per week, biking 30 minutes once a week, and a tough circuit once per week and I don't recall it ever being detrimental.
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How did Alpha One compare to Prime XT in terms of strength gains?
 
Can you address toxicity concerns around this compound? Both the NIH and Osha list Cedrene as a hazardous material.
 
sns8778 said:
Percentage, Purity, & Potency:

Alpha One is the first 95%+ a-Cedrene supplement on the market.

As with anything else, quality and purity is important, and there is nothing else comparable to it.

When the studies on a-Cedrene were done several years ago, quite a few brands looked into using this ingredient and passed on it because of the low % concentrations that were available.

The reason for that is that this is not an ingredient that you would want to go with a lower percentage purity and just take a higher dose of to give you the same active milligrams because it is derived from Cedarwood Oil, which is not meant to be taken internally in large doses because it may cause nausea, stomach upset, and digestive issues.

For example, if you took an a-Cedrene that is 75%, the worry isn’t the 75% a-Cedrene, it’s the makeup of the other 25% and the effect that the other 25% would have on the body.

Here’s a mathematical breakdown:
  • To provide 1,000 mg. a-Cedrene from a 75%, that requires a 1,334 mg. input dose which provides 1,000 mg. a-Cedrene, but the 25% equates to approximately 334 mg.
  • To provide 1,000 mg. a-Cedrene from a 95%, that requires a 1,053 input dose which provides 1,000 mg. of a-Cedrene, and the 5% equates to 53 mg. or less.
So basically, you could take 6,000 mg. (6 softgels) of Alpha One and consume less ‘other’ constituents than you would from 1 single dose of 1,000 mg. of 75%.

Also, the a-Cedrene in Alpha One is technically higher than 95%, but the testing margin for error has an allowable variance so it is labeled according to that where the 95% is the minimum, not the average, which is 97.5% - 98%.
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Can you address toxicity concerns for cedrene? It is listed as a hazardous substance by the NIH and Osha.
 
Resolve10 said:
Maybe a little unfair to compare since Prime I’ve been in a surplus compared to a deficit with A1. My gut says more with prime, but the scenario was more set up for that.

I wasn’t able to resist tho so I have a bottle of Alpha One arriving tomorrow and I’ll stack with this last 4 weeks of Prime before I go on vacation. So I’ll see how it helps there then probably a longer run once I get back. 😁
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I’m thinking of stacking the two. I ran the original Prime year round for several years.
 
I’m impressed Alpha One didn’t bother my stomach AT ALL. The aCedrene extracts with lower % DESTROYED my gut. Was very skeptical due to past experiences with aCedrene. but decided to try it.
All good here. No gut discomfort
 
Laxfocus said:
Can you address toxicity concerns for cedrene? It is listed as a hazardous substance by the NIH and Osha.
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Nice try. Always have to love it when accounts with zero post history come into threads combatively and ask questions totally out of context. Especially ones that have already been addressed.

You even quoted the post in which it was addressed.

Alpha One is the industry's first 95%+ a-Cedrene supplement.

The post you quoted addressed in great detail the significance of it being a 95%+ because any toxicity concerns would be with Cedarwood Oil, not with a-Cedrene - yet I didn't see you asking questions when a company put out a much lower % a-Cedrene in the past.

Oh, but it is toxic to aquatic life - so guys and gals, don't give your pet fish Alpha One or drop the softgels in your fish tank. 🦈

And I would hope this would be common sense, but since you're mentioning it, maybe it isn't for everyone - since there are safety concerns with getting it in your eyes, don't open up the softgels and use them as eye drops (I swear I never thought a day would come in this world where I would really ever have to type and explain that to people).

If a-Cedrene in pure form had toxicity concerns, you wouldn't see it being studied for:
  • Anti-Obesity Properties
  • Sarcopenia (muscle loss)
  • Anti-Cancer Properties
Here are a couple of links:

The original Ergo-Log article that got the bodybuilding community's attention:
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Conclusion from that:
"Given the current lack of treatments of skeletal muscle atrophy, we speculate that alpha-cedrene might be investigated as a potential therapy for illness-related muscle atrophy and weakness", write the researchers. "Alpha-Cedrene could also comprise or contribute to nutraceuticals designed to maintain muscle mass and strength during aging."


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Conclusion from that link:
Our results highlight the potential of α-cedrene for antiobesity interventions and suggest that the antiobesity effect of α-cedrene is mediated by Adcy3 in adipose tissues.


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Conclusion from that link:
α-Cedrene is a promising agent that may be applied to enhance the mass and strength of skeletal muscle.
 
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AknowledgeMe said:
How long of a run are people typically doing with this? Assuming it takes a bit to kick in.
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I think you'll see everything from 12 week runs to people using it as part of their daily supplement regimens.

It's so versatile and fits really any scenario - bulking, cutting, recomp, etc.
 
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thescience said:
that is a really complex question. cAMP is moving intracellular calcium, its enabling some the effects of some hormones to get into cells and alot of other things that occur when cAMP is increased in the muscles. i would have expected awesome muscle hardness from a cedrene, but i havent seen it marketed for that until now, which is crazy because of the top notch pumps it produces. Alpha One is also the first extract that has people dosing it more optimally, as phenomenal quantities have been made affordable here
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That being said, this proves that it is increasing cAMP nice! I will be running this with prime xt. what are you going to stack it with?
 
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