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Building Back Up

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Weight: 203.0

Seated BBOHP 4 x 7/7/7/6 x 145
NG Pullups 5/5/5/3+1-
Dips 8/8/8/9
Dual Pulley Cable Row 3 sets
Crossbody Cable Lateral Raise 3 sets
Scapular Plane Lateral Raise 1 set
Incline Triceps Skullcrusher 3 sets


 
Good looking session!
 
Weight: 204.0

Squats 3 x 5 x 255/260/265
Lying Leg Curls 3 sets
45-Degree Lunges 3 sets x BW
Machine Shrugs 4 sets
Incline DB curls 3 sets
Machine Preacher 2 sets

Haven’t been wearing my knee sleeves on squats in a while so i put them on today…wow, what a difference. Never again without them.
 
GreenMachineX said:
Weight: 204.0

Squats 3 x 5 x 255/260/265
Lying Leg Curls 3 sets
45-Degree Lunges 3 sets x BW
Machine Shrugs 4 sets
Incline DB curls 3 sets
Machine Preacher 2 sets

Haven’t been wearing my knee sleeves on squats in a while so i put them on today…wow, what a difference. Never again without them.
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Wear them! Your knees aren’t getting any younger and you don’t get any points for wearing them out faster than you need to.
 
Quest lab results:

Total Test 627 ng/dL (250-1000)
Free Test 142.5 pg/mL (35-155)
E2 19 pg/mL (<29)
RBCs 5.81 (4.2-5.8)
HGB 17.3 (13.2-17.1)
HCT 51.1 (39.4-51.1)

Looks good. This is doing 8mg most days of the week and 2 days at 7mg. Could the 19 e2 explain the achiness? Not many other symptoms i can easily identify of low e2, unlike when I’m 17 or below.
 
GreenMachineX said:
Quest lab results:

Total Test 627 ng/dL (250-1000)
Free Test 142.5 pg/mL (35-155)
E2 19 pg/mL (<29)
RBCs 5.81 (4.2-5.8)
HGB 17.3 (13.2-17.1)
HCT 51.1 (39.4-51.1)

Looks good. This is doing 8mg most days of the week and 2 days at 7mg. Could the 19 e2 explain the achiness? Not many other symptoms i can easily identify of low e2, unlike when I’m 17 or below.
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No, not unless you have been feeling achey basically for eons (since you have been doing 6-8mg daily for as long as I can recall). But definitely not your recent/transient aches.

Bloods look good homie, really solid numbers for year round wellness.

If you wanted to raise e2 (which seems perfectly reasonable from a number perspective relative to your total and free test, mind you), you could go to 8mg daily, take less frequent shots, or simplest would be to add a little DHEA (or Pregnenolone).

Going away from daily shots I know is a bad lifestyle move for you, and obviously raising testosterone dose will also raise that (quite possibly even moreso than estrogen). So the simplest move is just pop a cheap 25mg DHEA cap here or there before a training session. A little can do a lot, so 1-3x a week might be plenty of extra estrogen as sensitive as you are to hormones. But should give a little mood/focus boost for that session.
 
Hyde said:
No, not unless you have been feeling achey basically for eons (since you have been doing 6-8mg daily for as long as I can recall). But definitely not your recent/transient aches.

Bloods look good homie, really solid numbers for year round wellness.

If you wanted to raise e2 (which seems perfectly reasonable from a number perspective relative to your total and free test, mind you), you could go to 8mg daily, take less frequent shots, or simplest would be to add a little DHEA (or Pregnenolone).

Going away from daily shots I know is a bad lifestyle move for you, and obviously raising testosterone dose will also raise that (quite possibly even moreso than estrogen). So the simplest move is just pop a cheap 25mg DHEA cap here or there before a training session. A little can do a lot, so 1-3x a week might be plenty of extra estrogen as sensitive as you are to hormones. But should give a little mood/focus boost for that session.
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Thanks. Yeah, the dhea angle is likely the best move, but nervous about it because years ago it also gave me a stimulated feeling. I just need to man up and do it lol

For now, I’m going to 8mg daily.

The e2 number is interesting though, because at this test dose prior but weighing 20-30 pounds heavier, my e2 was ~50. I was just too fat 😂
 
GreenMachineX said:
Thanks. Yeah, the dhea angle is likely the best move, but nervous about it because years ago it also gave me a stimulated feeling. I just need to man up and do it lol

For now, I’m going to 8mg daily.

The e2 number is interesting though, because at this test dose prior but weighing 20-30 pounds heavier, my e2 was ~50. I was just too fat 😂
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There’s a reason they say being leaner gives you less sides and more results from steroids/testosterone. I have generally seen less need for AI and less acne the lower bodyfat I’ve gotten. Plus obviously BP and blood thickness aren’t challenged has hard with lower absolute bodyweight.
 
Hyde said:
There’s a reason they say being leaner gives you less sides and more results from steroids/testosterone. I have generally seen less need for AI and less acne the lower bodyfat I’ve gotten. Plus obviously BP and blood thickness aren’t challenged has hard with lower absolute bodyweight.
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Wait, can you expand on the blood thickness point? I don’t understand.
 
GreenMachineX said:
Wait, can you expand on the blood thickness point? I don’t understand.
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Heavier you are at a given level of muscle, the thicker your neck. Thicker your neck, worse your sleep apnea becomes. The worse you oxygenate in your sleep, the more the body thickens blood to try to compensate for insufficient oxygen supply.

Many heavyweights who slim down substantially find their need for a CPAP diminishes. And using a CPAP when you are bigger is essential to managing blood thickness.
 
Hyde said:
Heavier you are at a given level of muscle, the thicker your neck. Thicker your neck, worse your sleep apnea becomes. The worse you oxygenate in your sleep, the more the body thickens blood to try to compensate for insufficient oxygen supply.

Many heavyweights who slim down substantially find their need for a CPAP diminishes. And using a CPAP when you are bigger is essential to managing blood thickness.
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Ah, ok. Well, that’s one that doesn’t apply to me. I’ve had 2 sleep studies both negative for sleep apnea.
 
Bench 4 x 6 x 226.5
Cable Row 3 sets
Seated BBOHP 3 x 6 x 145
NG Pullups 5/5/5
Seated DB Lateral Raise 3 sets
Incline EZ OH Extension 3 sets
DB Shrugs 3 sets
 
dude thats the most ironic thing in this game that I don't think I'll ever understand no matter how many different ways people try to explain to themselves. but when you lean up, you look more jacked and its just weird. When I'm 20lbs lighter than I am today, even 25lbs lighter, people say things like "man you've been bulking up". I'm like F U bro, I'm down 25lbs you calling me fat? 😂 😂 I get more compliments under 190lbs than over 200. which is just bizarre to me. its probably cause I just look so scary big and strong now they're afraid to talk to me idk.
 
Dustin07 said:
dude thats the most ironic thing in this game that I don't think I'll ever understand no matter how many different ways people try to explain to themselves. but when you lean up, you look more jacked and its just weird. When I'm 20lbs lighter than I am today, even 25lbs lighter, people say things like "man you've been bulking up". I'm like F U bro, I'm down 25lbs you calling me fat? 😂 😂 I get more compliments under 190lbs than over 200. which is just bizarre to me. its probably cause I just look so scary big and strong now they're afraid to talk to me idk.
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No Sir, it is all relative. Literally, it is all relative, the muscle looks bigger because as the fat receeds the difference between the peaks and valleys of the muscle become obvious. As the muscle becomes more visible you look more muscular but laymen consider that bigger. The muscles do look bigger because the lowest visible points are now much farther from the peaks relatively speaking.
 
MrKleen73 said:
but laymen
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this has to be the thing, right? I mean I understand that explanation of it but I'm talking with my gym clothes on so I always think I look better in my gym shirts NOW at 205+ than 190 and less. a dude I've been gyming with for a few years, whos name I have never known, is on the tail end of a cut. he's very vascular and thinking of getting on stage. we talked about the level of gear he'd need to compete at our local cup, as it's very very competitive, but TO ME, he looks so much smaller now. he's bigger than me a little bit. we're similar in strength, but that cut has cost him a lot of size in the arms etc. but I bet you are right that other people see him and think he looks more jacked now.
 
Dustin07 said:
this has to be the thing, right? I mean I understand that explanation of it but I'm talking with my gym clothes on so I always think I look better in my gym shirts NOW at 205+ than 190 and less. a dude I've been gyming with for a few years, whos name I have never known, is on the tail end of a cut. he's very vascular and thinking of getting on stage. we talked about the level of gear he'd need to compete at our local cup, as it's very very competitive, but TO ME, he looks so much smaller now. he's bigger than me a little bit. we're similar in strength, but that cut has cost him a lot of size in the arms etc. but I bet you are right that other people see him and think he looks more jacked now.
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That is more than likely true unless he was carrying a lot more fat, and or he dieted down to fast losing some muscle in the process. Now I think especially in clothes you can look smaller especially if you let your shirts get loose instead of buying one that fits your new body it becomes obvious. I now I am going to be smaller when I cut back down, but I almost expect to hear someone say I am getting bigger once I get down closer to 15-20%.

I think the next 10lbs or so will make a huge difference in how I look.
 
MrKleen73 said:
That is more than likely true unless he was carrying a lot more fat, and or he dieted down to fast losing some muscle in the process.
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He was already fairly vascular, he sorta looked like a smaller Larry Wheels but with a way bigger fro. Now he's paper thin vascular. like I'd bet if he were competing natty (which I'm sure he's not) he'd be stage ready within a month from where he is. but there is the conundrum. he's too small for enhanced, and likely too enhanced for natty, but is very very lean. That was sorta my conundrum when I toyed with getting on stage. dieting down for natty probably would have worked OK for me, but the only shows local to me were all untested and I would have got my ass beat by guys carrying 20 more lbs of lean mass so it wasn't worth it, although I did toy with physique. I was at least much closer to fitting in among that crowd.

MrKleen73 said:
I think the next 10lbs or so will make a huge difference in how I look.
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zero doubt. Also you are in your fifties and in my personal opinion as we get up into the 40s, 50s, and 60s, shoulders are a status symbol. just holding some mass in that upper body is huge as the belly shrinks.
 
Weight: 202.4

Standing OHP 3 x 5 x 135
NG Pullups 6/5/4
Dips 10/10/9
Inverted Row 5/5/5
Crossbody Cable Lateral Raise 3 sets
Scapular Plane Lateral Raise 2 sets
Incline EZ Overhead Extension 3 sets

Only .1 lb from my 10 year low! Under 200 would be a 16 year low.

Feeling the deficit on my lifts today though.
 
I think this is the first time in all these years that I'm heavier than you now lol. I think its the second time that I'm heavier than Kleen cause I think he was lower than me when he cut to get on stage.
 
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