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Building Back Up

I still went and worked out, but after bench didn’t push it as hard as planned. Just scraped off 5-10 pounds on everything. Meh.
yeah I went back and forth myself. I'm wrapping up cycle 6 here soon and so far I have only skipped 2 in 6 months days. both of them deadlift days but I feel like if I'm going to skip a day, thats the one for me to skip. far more taxing, and I'm not sure that i need to or even should be pulling in a PR-chasing manor weekly, really. 2 heavy deadlift days a month seems about right with how hard i'm pushing squats/bench.
 
Weight: 204.4

Heading the right direction.

All that body ache nonsense is gone. Unsure what that was about. Neck still hurts from something i did last week but improving.

Unsure i mentioned it before, but I’ve added 3g creatine hcl and 2.5g calcium HMB also.
 
I've got you both at 219.8. OOF!!!
 
bro that aint nothing, weren't you like 240 at peak bulking before your bb comp year?
Not even close! I was right about here I hit 224 at my top if I remember correctly. It's okay, I enjoyed eating myself to here, now I have to enjoy seeing the progress as i take it back off. I expect 5 of it to be very easy, just by not having junk until the weekend should do that for me. Then going keto should drop even more and I won't get a carb up until next weekend.
 
Maybe thinking of me? I hit 239 last year at some point (or maybe the year prior).
LOL no I was picturing something along the lines of Kleens new orleans trip or the winter before his big BB push but I probably had the numbers wrong. that said 239 last year is also impressive lol
 
the years are starting to blur together. I remember things like Kleens cut, his competitions, Hyde's bruised hammy and his big push for 405 on bench but its like holy cow have we all known each other that long that these events were literally years ago? 😂
 
the years are starting to blur together. I remember things like Kleens cut, his competitions, Hyde's bruised hammy and his big push for 405 on bench but its like holy cow have we all known each other that long that these events were literally years ago? 😂
Lol youre right. Where’s the time going ?!
 
Weight: 204.0

Limb workout plus some sled push today. Weight still improving. Don’t think I’ve gained anything from the creatine yet (taking 3g C-HCL daily). All previous attempts with mono, buffered, and MCC resulted in water retention within days. Don’t think that’s happening with this so far.

Going to continue with taking off 5-10 pounds off each compound to ensure form is up to par, then add it back slowly with microplates.
 
Don’t think I’ve gained anything from the creatine yet (taking 3g C-HCL daily). All previous attempts with mono, buffered, and MCC resulted in water retention within days. Don’t think that’s happening with this so far.

I noticed the same thing. When I started taking Steves again a few weeks ago I dropped a lb or two, weight seemed to actually stabilize rather than bloat. I used to take 10-20g of any cheapo mono creatine but a couple years ago I got off the wagon cause even at smaller doses I was swelling up like crazy.

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I noticed the same thing. When I started taking Steves again a few weeks ago I dropped a lb or two, weight seemed to actually stabilize rather than bloat. I used to take 10-20g of any cheapo mono creatine but a couple years ago I got off the wagon cause even at smaller doses I was swelling up like crazy.

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Right on! I didn’t realize SNS has hcl. Where are you ordering from?
 
Right on! I didn’t realize SNS has hcl. Where are you ordering from?

These are what me and the wife use. Sometimes his HCL capsules when in stock, because they’re cheaper and more convenient on off days to me, but the powders are still a great price per gram and taste AWESOME. The HCL is the only thing flavoring my intra water now that I don’t use carbs and 4 scoops solidly flavors 48oz. And many of the flavors play well with other flavored powders if adding to an intra.

Get the 4-pack bundles during an SNS holiday sale with a bigger order and you will make out like a bandit.
 
These are what me and the wife use. Sometimes his HCL capsules when in stock, because they’re cheaper and more convenient on off days to me, but the powders are still a great price per gram and taste AWESOME. The HCL is the only thing flavoring my intra water now that I don’t use carbs and 4 scoops solidly flavors 48oz. And many of the flavors play well with other flavored powders if adding to an intra.

Get the 4-pack bundles during an SNS holiday sale with a bigger order and you will make out like a bandit.
How many grams do you take per day?
 
How many grams do you take per day?

I follow the package instructions. It’s based on lean mass as well as intensity of training. Not cardiovascularly, but output-wise.

I weigh over 200lbs and all of my training is intense strength work, so I take 4 scoops/3g intra. If I remember to take it on off-days, I take 3 scoops (since I’m 220lbs but didn’t train). I also take 1 scoop MCC intra, but that’s basically as a magnesium supplement to prevent cramping in training. The creatine is just bonus.

You would probably need 2 on off days and 3 on training ideally.
 
Right on! I didn’t realize SNS has hcl. Where are you ordering from?
I usually just text him when I need something and order direct lol. But I've been raw dogging it since June and the only supplementation I've had the last 3 months has been bringing this creatine back in about 2 weeks ago + preWO.

for dose I do same as Hyde. the container says 1 scoop per 100lbs of body weight so I have a minimum of 2 scoops per day and usually a 3rd, maybe 4th on the big training days like bench, squats, pulls.

These are what me and the wife use. Sometimes his HCL capsules when in stock, because they’re cheaper and more convenient on off days to me, but the powders are still a great price per gram and taste AWESOME. The HCL is the only thing flavoring my intra water now that I don’t use carbs and 4 scoops solidly flavors 48oz. And many of the flavors play well with other flavored powders if adding to an intra.

Get the 4-pack bundles during an SNS holiday sale with a bigger order and you will make out like a bandit.

The flavor is the biggy for me, helps me get more water in during the day, 2 scoops is plenty of flavor adder for a 24oz shaker for me.
 
Weight: 204.0

Limb workout plus some sled push today. Weight still improving. Don’t think I’ve gained anything from the creatine yet (taking 3g C-HCL daily). All previous attempts with mono, buffered, and MCC resulted in water retention within days. Don’t think that’s happening with this so far.

Going to continue with taking off 5-10 pounds off each compound to ensure form is up to par, then add it back slowly with microplates.
Welp, i was wrong here. Noticing some water retention now in the face and trunk. Not a fan. Dropping dose to 1.5g creatine hcl to see if that matters.

Weight: 204.4
 
Welp, i was wrong here. Noticing some water retention now in the face and trunk. Not a fan. Dropping dose to 1.5g creatine hcl to see if that matters.

Weight: 204.4
Just my opinion, but give it a a little time, and don't make the decision just after having a sodium bomb type of meal like bbq that is going to make you hold water.
 
Just my opinion, but give it a a little time, and don't make the decision just after having a sodium bomb type of meal like bbq that is going to make you hold water.
Well, i ended up taking 2.25g still anyway this morning, but the last couple days when the water retention showed up i was eating super clean…no date night meal out yet. But yes, let’s see what happens as time goes on.
 
Traditional DL 3x315, 3x335, 3x3x345
Machine Shrugs 4 sets
Walking Lunges +24kg 2 sets
Hammer Curls 3 sets
Machine Preacher Curls 2 sets

Switching back to traditional deadlifts for a little while i think.
 
Weight: 204.4

Slept all the way through, 6.75 hours straight! Kcal around maintenance, so the only real difference was an astronomical amount of salt from the cauliflower pizza. @Hyde is into something, and maybe when i was testing it out before it simply still wasn’t enough.
 
Weight: 203.4

Here’s a 3-month average of my caloric and macro intake. Interesting to me how high my TDEE is considering I’m still losing fat with this intake. When i finally get to “gaintaining”, it’ll be fun.

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Weight: 204.4

Slept all the way through, 6.75 hours straight! Kcal around maintenance, so the only real difference was an astronomical amount of salt from the cauliflower pizza. @Hyde is into something, and maybe when i was testing it out before it simply still wasn’t enough.
dude my wife spoiled me with seafood this weekend, we grilled oysters friday then yesterday she put together scallops and shrimp on salad for me (scallops are my annual birthday request). that right there is a massive salt bomb lol. between pure salt and fat oysters (with butter and cheese etc) + scallops etc I was like +6lbs this weekend.
 
Flat Bench 4 x 6 x 226.5
Dual Cable Rows 3 sets
Seated BBOHP 4 x 6 x 145
Pull-ups 4 sets
Incline EZ Extension 3 sets
Crossbody Cable Lateral Raise 3 sets
 
Weight: 203.2

I’m back to the same weight i hit on keto back in 2016. I was probably overall leaner and stronger, but still in a decent place. 8 pounds to go.

My 14 year old son continues to get stronger at 165lb. Close grip bench 135 for reps, squatting 225 for reps, basically using the same weight for bicep and triceps exercises all for reps, and has clearly beat me on pull-ups now. He’s by far the most jacked freshmen and regularly gets mistaken for a senior and even college age. I am super proud, but at the same time, i need to get this cut over with so he doesn’t blow right by all my lifts lol
 
Weight: 203.2

I’m back to the same weight i hit on keto back in 2016. I was probably overall leaner and stronger, but still in a decent place. 8 pounds to go.

My 14 year old son continues to get stronger at 165lb. Close grip bench 135 for reps, squatting 225 for reps, basically using the same weight for bicep and triceps exercises all for reps, and has clearly beat me on pull-ups now. He’s by far the most jacked freshmen and regularly gets mistaken for a senior and even college age. I am super proud, but at the same time, i need to get this cut over with so he doesn’t blow right by all my lifts lol
Badass for your son!!! Haha, don't let the strength get you, get yourself defined and celebrate that then focus on rebuilding strength while in a very mild surplus. Then you won't only still be stronger, but be looking great and feeling comfortable in your own skin.
 
My 14 year old son continues to get stronger at 165lb. Close grip bench 135 for reps, squatting 225 for reps, basically using the same weight for bicep and triceps exercises all for reps, and has clearly beat me on pull-ups now. He’s by far the most jacked freshmen and regularly gets mistaken for a senior and even college age. I am super proud, but at the same time, i need to get this cut over with so he doesn’t blow right by all my lifts lol

I had no idea my son would be squatting 425 and nearing a 300lb bench his senior year when we started lifting together back in his pre-teen days. I just wanted him to lift cause it was fun and good for him. when people tell me they have boys in this age group now days I always say "take him to the gym!" its amazing what a 14yr old gym rat can build over a couple years!!!
 
I had no idea my son would be squatting 425 and nearing a 300lb bench his senior year when we started lifting together back in his pre-teen days. I just wanted him to lift cause it was fun and good for him. when people tell me they have boys in this age group now days I always say "take him to the gym!" its amazing what a 14yr old gym rat can build over a couple years!!!
We better lock in…how are our high schoolers beating us?! Lol
 
Squat 3 x 5/5/5+1 x 260
GHR-Modded Back Extension 4/3/3/2
Sled Push 3 sets
Machine Shrugs 3 sets
Incline DB Curls 3 x 8/7/6 x 25’s
Machine Preacher 2 sets

The “+1” on squats just means after a few deep breaths, i went back and did 1 more since i didn’t like my form in the last rep.
 
Because they are giants!
The high school kids where I live look like 12 year olds 😂. And half the boys look like girls smh. My own son 18, trys to make himself look less masculine. Tries to talk in a softer voice and wants to be the polar opposite of me.

Until he gets angry in his man voice comes out lol
 
The high school kids where I live look like 12 year olds 😂. And half the boys look like girls smh. My own son 18, trys to make himself look less masculine. Tries to talk in a softer voice and wants to be the polar opposite of me.

Until he gets angry in his man voice comes out lol
Let him know that being less masculine is a first class ticket to almost always being friend zoned. I am not suggesting any red pill nonsense. I hate when men think they are somehow being alpha while making themselves out to be womens victims. Those types are no different than 3rd wave feminazis, just reactionary, over-emotional people looking for someone to blame for why their life isn't going exactly the way they want it. As long as it is someone else's fault it is easier to justify what they don't like about their life to themselves.
 
Squat 3 x 5/5/5+1 x 260
GHR-Modded Back Extension 4/3/3/2
Sled Push 3 sets
Machine Shrugs 3 sets
Incline DB Curls 3 x 8/7/6 x 25’s
Machine Preacher 2 sets

The “+1” on squats just means after a few deep breaths, i went back and did 1 more since i didn’t like my form in the last rep.

how fat are you today? I was 203 last night when I got home which I thought was pretty shocking but 205 this morning which seems like a super stable baseline. I'll know for sure the state of my damage when I put my belt on for squats later.
 
how fat are you today? I was 203 last night when I got home which I thought was pretty shocking but 205 this morning which seems like a super stable baseline. I'll know for sure the state of my damage when I put my belt on for squats later.
Small rebound to 204.0 if i recall correctly. Man, i could’ve sworn you were at 190-ish just a couple weeks ago, but i guess it’s been way longer. Time flying again.
 
Man, i could’ve sworn you were at 190-ish just a couple weeks ago

Me too, tbh.
but my wife's love language is cooking for me. a lot of my BBB work with 531 is adding good weight and size to my legs, zero doubt, and my wife's love is adding bad weight to my gut. also zero doubt. I'm probably the correct weight right now for like overall health + strength, but I need to make sure this is a plateau and I'm not still growing haha
 
Me too, tbh.
but my wife's love language is cooking for me. a lot of my BBB work with 531 is adding good weight and size to my legs, zero doubt, and my wife's love is adding bad weight to my gut. also zero doubt. I'm probably the correct weight right now for like overall health + strength, but I need to make sure this is a plateau and I'm not still growing haha
Funny you say that…my wife’s love language is baking, but I’ve asked and she’s agreed to cool it until my cut is over. It’s helping her too, she actually hit 132 for the first time in decades.
 
Let him know that being less masculine is a first class ticket to almost always being friend zoned. I am not suggesting any red pill nonsense. I hate when men think they are somehow being alpha while making themselves out to be womens victims. Those types are no different than 3rd wave feminazis, just reactionary, over-emotional people looking for someone to blame for why their life isn't going exactly the way they want it. As long as it is someone else's fault it is easier to justify what they don't like about their life to themselves.

💯💯💯

Part of being a man is definitely owning where you are at, then acting however you believe is necessary for your situation. And when you stop giving all the weight of effect to OTHER people & actually take agency, that control is liberating!

All we get to decide is how we react to the world we’re in. We can always choose our thoughts and actions in response to anything.

Me too, tbh.
but my wife's love language is cooking for me. a lot of my BBB work with 531 is adding good weight and size to my legs, zero doubt, and my wife's love is adding bad weight to my gut. also zero doubt. I'm probably the correct weight right now for like overall health + strength, but I need to make sure this is a plateau and I'm not still growing haha

You could probably chill on the BBB and move into a template like Boring But Strong if you believe you have enough mass/scale weight for your goals at the moment. Would help you dial that 315 bench in likely too.

Funny you say that…my wife’s love language is baking, but I’ve asked and she’s agreed to cool it until my cut is over. It’s helping her too, she actually hit 132 for the first time in decades.

Congratulations to her!
 
Let him know that being less masculine is a first class ticket to almost always being friend zoned. I am not suggesting any red pill nonsense. I hate when men think they are somehow being alpha while making themselves out to be womens victims. Those types are no different than 3rd wave feminazis, just reactionary, over-emotional people looking for someone to blame for why their life isn't going exactly the way they want it. As long as it is someone else's fault it is easier to justify what they don't like about their life to themselves.
What you're describing reminds me of men I call the fragile egoed narcissist. Feminine men who think they're masculine but they're always the victim always the poor me and everything is always someone else's fault. Often times when they're bad-mouthing someone else they're just projecting the things they feel about themselves!

Men who act like teenage girls.

A lot of the kids at the gym I train are the opposite of my son and they want to be more like me. And I try to teach them that being masculine and confident has to go hand in hand with being humble and caring. A tough guy doesn't have to pretend to be tough all the time. A real tough guy doesn't pick fights with people he knows he can beat, he doesn't starts fights at all, he just finishes them! You treat people the way you would want to be treated and you cut the garbage people out of your life.
 
how fat are you today? I was 203 last night when I got home which I thought was pretty shocking but 205 this morning which seems like a super stable baseline. I'll know for sure the state of my damage when I put my belt on for squats later.
We flip flopped! I'm down to 189! You're like 15 lb bigger than me now!
 
Funny you say that…my wife’s love language is baking, but I’ve asked and she’s agreed to cool it until my cut is over. It’s helping her too, she actually hit 132 for the first time in decades.
my wife always told me she wasn't a baker then this summer took it up had core. two new sourdoughs out the oven last night hahaha. she is now making sourdough pretzel buns on burger nights, too. we justify it cause you know, the fermentation process makes the bread better for you ;)

You could probably chill on the BBB and move into a template like Boring But Strong if you believe you have enough mass/scale weight for your goals at the moment. Would help you dial that 315 bench in likely too.

I like that idea a lot-
BBB is very hard on squats cause 10 reps is 10 reps, but its a bit menial on the other 3 lifts. I usually run it 20lbs over rx on OHP.

What you're describing reminds me of men I call the fragile egoed narcissist. Feminine men who think they're masculine but they're always the victim always the poor me and everything is always someone else's fault. Often times when they're bad-mouthing someone else they're just projecting the things they feel about themselves!

Men who act like teenage girls.

A real tough guy doesn't pick fights with people he knows he can beat, he doesn't starts fights at all, he just finishes them! You treat people the way you would want to be treated and you cut the garbage people out of your life.

I love the saying "a lion doesn't concern himself with the opinions of sheep". I think I've seen Hyde use it here, and when we were busting my daughter out of her apartment in Tacoma during a midnight raid her little soyboy ex started spewing some ultra-hate language going off on me in particular, then my wife. so I walked over in front of him, picked up her freezer and walked out with it lol. My wife later was like "I don't know how you kept your cool so well with all that, I was ready to beat his ass" lol so then I just repeated the lion/sheep addage. it was actually very centering/balancing, too. Reminding myself that his entire world just collapsed. we stole the only thing he had of value, loaded her up in my truck (that he ridiculed earlier anyways) and drove back to the farm to be happy. He has nothing and now I have all the women.

We flip flopped! I'm down to 189! You're like 15 lb bigger than me now!
and don't you forget it
 
Haha, this is coming right back to you once he hops back on cycle! He won't forget! ;)

By the time Smont is bulked up to 210 again, Dustin will probably have earned his 405/315/500 lifts and already be happily cutting down to 189 for a beach vacation, entirely content to eat half a basket of chips once a week before going back to greens and water (while his biceps somehow get larger in appearance) 😂
 
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