GreenMachineX
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I don't even know actually. I'm just desperately reaching for anything lol.
Building Back Up
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sns8778
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I don't even know actually. I'm just desperately reaching for anything lol.
If you need suggestions, let me know what types of supplements you're looking for, and I'm always glad to help.
With the MTHF thing, have you tried SAMe? I know you read some places for it and some against it; I have the MTHFR mutation myself and started it awhile back and it does help me some with my moods. It's weird in that it seems like it helps more some days than others though, but overall an improvement. For mood for me, Stress & Anxiety Support is crucial, but if I remember correctly, you may not like Rhodiola?
GreenMachineX
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It's been 13 years since I tried SAMe, so maybe I need to again. Thanks.
Otherwise, slept pretty good last night even though I worked out pretty hard yesterday morning. Didn't workout this morning though because I was up later than I planned getting in on a new crypto launch. Love crypto lol
Dustin07
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I'm crypto illiterate haha. That's one of those things where I need to take time to research and learn, but there just aren't enough hours in the day.
SAMe is one of those ingredients where there are a lot of brands that claim to offer it that don't meet label claims - if you try it, go with NOW Foods and take it first thing in the morning when your feet hit the floor on an empty stomach for best results.
When I wake up in the morning, when I'm still half asleep, I walk into my bathroom and take 1 NOW Foods SAMe tablet and 3 Thermo Scorch, then stumble to the refrigerator and take my probiotics.
GreenMachineX
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Yessir! They don't do anything to help retail investors.
Gotcha. Thanks. I'd had to wait until after my thyroid absorbs though, but I hear ya.
GreenMachineX
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Thanks @Resolve10 I'll look into it.
Today's WO:
Squat 3x225, 3x245, 3x265
Pullups 3 x 2 x BW (2-4-2-2 tempo)
Reverse Pec Dexk 2 x 8 x 30
BB Shrug 12x135, 2 x 8 x 155, 8x135
DB Curls 3 x 8 x 25's
Not bad for 4:30 am and 5-6 hours sleep. Building back up!
Today's WO:
Squat 3x225, 3x245, 3x265
Pullups 3 x 2 x BW (2-4-2-2 tempo)
Reverse Pec Dexk 2 x 8 x 30
BB Shrug 12x135, 2 x 8 x 155, 8x135
DB Curls 3 x 8 x 25's
Not bad for 4:30 am and 5-6 hours sleep. Building back up!
Dustin07
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totally did and forgot about that until we started talking about the stims vs no stims.
that's the crazy thing about brain fog, for me it snuck in so slowly that I didn't even super realize it until it was like all the lights were turned off, then once I came out of it it after like 3 days I was thinking WOW this is what full brain capacity feels like... this is awesome! I'd try pretty much anything SNS puts out, that Sabroxy might be worth a go....
"building back up" could almost be words to live by for all of us!
sns8778
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I absolutely agree with - I had used Sabroxy XT non-daily use and could tell a difference, but had experienced major brain fog since having Covid and it wasn't until I started using it daily that I seem to have snapped out of it. I still struggle with it some, but its a lot better than it was. And I felt the same thing, like there were days where I felt like my brain was waking up again; I didn't know how to explain that, but I like the way you put it.
Dustin07
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the covid brain fog was the weirdest thing because society was a shitshow, people who were working were working twice as much, especially if your field was at all affected by logistics, everyone was stressed out about something, and every time you sneezed or sniffled you wondered if you were dying 
so trying to discern the difference in illness vs psychological was a bit challenging.
so trying to discern the difference in illness vs psychological was a bit challenging.
sns8778
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the covid brain fog was the weirdest thing because society was a shitshow, people who were working were working twice as much, especially if your field was at all affected by logistics, everyone was stressed out about something, and every time you sneezed or sniffled you wondered if you were dying
For those of us like myself, Resolve, and a few others on here that have been open about it - there was no having to discern it for us, it was very obvious to us ourselves and for some of us, to the people around us.
I had days where it was absolutely debilitating - imagine looking at your computer and having a simple email to reply to, but your brain not being able to process such a simple task and communicate to your fingers to type a simple reply. Months went by in a fog, feeling like one didn't live, but just existed.
Dustin07
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I find that super relatable, it just took a long time for me to recognize it. My covid for example was in Mar 2021. I got a curbside laptop cause I was stranded in Arizona and couldn't fly home for 10 days, and worked from my parents place down there. It was insanely busy and we actually doubled our previous record for bookings that month as a company. just absolutely insanely busy. but it was many many months later that I finally identified the mental anguish and I didn't even try the genius product I referenced above until january! for me it seemed like the brain fog slowly drifted in... like real fog...
GreenMachineX
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Oh man, I can relate. I'm doing the same thing with excel. Stuff yesterday that was easy lol
sns8778
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Sabroxy XT was the single thing that helped me the most with it, and still does.
I couldn't promise you you would respond the same to it as most of us do, but it doesn't work in a way that I think would casue any negatives with you, and I think it could really help if you respond well to it.
GreenMachineX
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Thanks. I'll look it up. Never even heard of it.
sns8778
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Here is a link to the product and the write up:
https://seriousnutritionsolutions.com/product/sabroxy-xt/
Here's a link to a thread that someone posted that used it and liked it and a lot of people posted feedback:
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I have been using sabroxy for about 2 weeks now here is why this is an essential supplement for the Unmotivated procrastinators Less productive Sometimes we don’t feel like doing stuff even if we want to, or at least that’s how I feel sometimes and that’s why I love sns sabroxy and here is...
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GreenMachineX
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This is the routine I'm currently doing:
Day 1: OHP, CG Bench, Lateral Raise, Skullcrushers
Day 2: Squat, Pullup, Shrugs, Curls
Day 3: Bench, Incline CG Hammer, Upright Row, OH Extension
Day 4: DL, cable rows, Reverse Pec Deck, Curls
If I can manage fatigue and recovery, I'm wondering if I could do this rotation 6 days per week, off on Sunday.
For example, Day 1, 2, 3, 4, 1, 2, off, 3, 4, 1, 2, 3, 4, off, repeat.
Anything thoughts? I was really enjoying the higher frequency of hitting muscle groups, but I think this would help me be more flexible if I needed a random day off in the middle and not feel like I HAD to workout.
Day 1: OHP, CG Bench, Lateral Raise, Skullcrushers
Day 2: Squat, Pullup, Shrugs, Curls
Day 3: Bench, Incline CG Hammer, Upright Row, OH Extension
Day 4: DL, cable rows, Reverse Pec Deck, Curls
If I can manage fatigue and recovery, I'm wondering if I could do this rotation 6 days per week, off on Sunday.
For example, Day 1, 2, 3, 4, 1, 2, off, 3, 4, 1, 2, 3, 4, off, repeat.
Anything thoughts? I was really enjoying the higher frequency of hitting muscle groups, but I think this would help me be more flexible if I needed a random day off in the middle and not feel like I HAD to workout.
GreenMachineX
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Weight: 221.8
Bench MAX 285
Incline CG Hammer Press 3 x 10 x 110
EZ Upright Row 3 x 10 x 50
Overhead Cable Extension 3 x 8 x 35
Machine OHP Hammer Grip 2 x 8 x 80
After getting back from vacation, I weighed 230 or something, so I've dropped a lot of weight the past 2 weeks and still got 285. I think if I was carb full and slept well, I could get close to 300.
Bench MAX 285
Incline CG Hammer Press 3 x 10 x 110
EZ Upright Row 3 x 10 x 50
Overhead Cable Extension 3 x 8 x 35
Machine OHP Hammer Grip 2 x 8 x 80
After getting back from vacation, I weighed 230 or something, so I've dropped a lot of weight the past 2 weeks and still got 285. I think if I was carb full and slept well, I could get close to 300.
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GreenMachineX
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Weight: 225
Deadlift 3x315, 3x335, 3x355
Double Hand Cable Row 8x100, 2x6x110
Reverse Pec Deck 4 x 8 x 30
Cable Shrug 3 x 10 x 100
Incline DB Curl 3 x 8/8/6 x 25's
Not a bad workout. I'm loving the Cable rows and I think it's showing a weakness they I've been neglecting, just like my weak rear delts. Read an article the other day talking about how many of us are doing pull ups wrong and just working our teres major like crazy, missing the lats almost completely. I think I've been in this camp.
Considering doing some pull ups at lunch.
Deadlift 3x315, 3x335, 3x355
Double Hand Cable Row 8x100, 2x6x110
Reverse Pec Deck 4 x 8 x 30
Cable Shrug 3 x 10 x 100
Incline DB Curl 3 x 8/8/6 x 25's
Not a bad workout. I'm loving the Cable rows and I think it's showing a weakness they I've been neglecting, just like my weak rear delts. Read an article the other day talking about how many of us are doing pull ups wrong and just working our teres major like crazy, missing the lats almost completely. I think I've been in this camp.
Considering doing some pull ups at lunch.
akboom87
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Nice work, looks like you are figuring out some strategies!
MrKleen73
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It is definitely a practice and frequency driven exercise. If I focus on them I can get my numbers up, but if I stop they drop so quickly it is embarrassing.
Dustin07
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they do, in high school I set the school record with around 30, then in xfit we were doing 50 butterflies and people gave me crap "those aren't real" so we'd have strict pull-up comps and I'd slam out 27-30 lol.
Today I'm probably sitting with maybe 15 ish strict if I really gave it a go but also these days I find they are harder on my hands lol. so I try to throw in sets of 8-10 here and there but I enjoy so many other back movements more... it's like double unders... it takes time but all the sudden you go from not being able to do 10, and suddenly you can do 100.
MrKleen73
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I think the most pull ups I have ever done is 17 at once. I might have hit 20 one time but I know for sure I hit 17 the last time I was truly pushing them. I was around 205 then so still pretty impressive for me. I don't have the piston like straight up and down motion though. I go more through an arch of motion up to the bar using mostly lats and pulling with elbows.
One thing I was always a little frustrated with regarding XFit was how people who didn't get that a kipping pull up was a skill, and a gymnastics conditioner. It was the basis of the muscle up or pretty much any bar mounting movement. I wasn't even in XFit, but I understood it was a totally different exercise with a completely different purpose. So it would frustrate me to see the "and not one pull up was done" comments on an extremely impressive set of kipping pull ups. I could appreciate what it was, not dislike it because it wasn't what I thought it should be. Guys like Froning were beasts. Of course he did straight up strength training too.
One thing I was always a little frustrated with regarding XFit was how people who didn't get that a kipping pull up was a skill, and a gymnastics conditioner. It was the basis of the muscle up or pretty much any bar mounting movement. I wasn't even in XFit, but I understood it was a totally different exercise with a completely different purpose. So it would frustrate me to see the "and not one pull up was done" comments on an extremely impressive set of kipping pull ups. I could appreciate what it was, not dislike it because it wasn't what I thought it should be. Guys like Froning were beasts. Of course he did straight up strength training too.
Dustin07
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I always felt the same way, the downfall being that anymore than 60+ pull-ups (of any kind) in a workout I'd likely tear and be bleeding but my back would have the most insane pumps. I was measuring 46"+ at the chest when I was 180lbs and under, but I have zero doubt a lot of that was my large back width at the time as well
Hyde
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I would totally agree about not isolating lats well, but with the caveat that pull-ups aren’t only about lats. I do them for a bigger stronger back & abs overall, and I usually do chin-ups or neutral grips instead because I also want bigger stronger biceps or forearms out of it. It’s a great compound movement that builds a lot of overall mass and strength for the invested time/energy.
Kind of like dips being so much more than just triceps.
MrKleen73
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Dips are my favorite triceps exercise. Hands down, doesn't matter if assisted, body weight, or weighted. They hit so much muscle, but they hit my triceps so hard they barely move when flexed after a few sets. Especially right now when close grip benching is out of the question. So it is my main compound for them, but has always been my bread and butter for triceps growth. I would say they are responsible for a lot of the "hang" and meat in my triceps. They hang down probably farther than my biceps go up.
I tend to do most of my overhead pulling in closer too. Mostly neutral grip, then a good mix of barely shoulder width, and chin ups. I may have to try some NG while healing see if going a little wider on assisted pull ups might be part of the issue. I think protraction in wider grips might be part of the issue I am having now based on the things that cause me pain.
Hyde
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I’m not hating on isolating lats - I have been trying to do that exclusively the last few weeks with slower machine work after seeing my unilateral trap involvement on bb rows.
Just wanted to say that I think there’s a lot of value in pull-ups for performance, without focusing on lats specifically.
Just wanted to say that I think there’s a lot of value in pull-ups for performance, without focusing on lats specifically.
MrKleen73
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Absolutely, and there are ways to bring the lats in more, they make them much harder to do, and are not about moving your body up to the bar so much as how you move your body up to the bar. They both definitely have value. However trying to take the rest of the back out of it kind of starts defeating some of the benefits of the movement. Even if your lats just really need to be brought up, there are plenty of other exercises that are probably just as well if not more suited to focusing on your lats. I am lucky, my lats get activated no matter how I pull. So any form of pull up is pretty effective for me on lats.
I have a similar issue to yours where my right trap always tries to engage first during a row, and tends to hike up a bit on bench days. So I have really been working to keep that right scap down and tight so the trap doesn't have to take up the slack. It is quite a challenge.
sns8778
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Sabroxy XT is a nootropic and also would qualify as an anti-aging/longevity supplement as well.
Here's a link to the write up for anyone that wants to read over it:
https://seriousnutritionsolutions.com/product/sabroxy-xt/
Hyde
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Yeah after reading the write up and all the reviews earlier, I’m definitely going to try some Sabroxy as an acute preWO enhancer with my next order.
Dustin07
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I texted you my next grocery list homie, lol
sns8778
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It's a great product and a lot of people like it for occasional acute use; it also has some great potential cognitive long term health benefits.
Rostam
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Does it’s mental effect fade away with continuous use?
sns8778
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I don't think it fades away, but you may get used to it, as in it becomes your new normal, so you don't realize that its still helping as much as it is unless you stop and then its like - oh crap, yeah, this is what I felt like before.
I actually had that happen to me - I took a break and was really pissed at myself for it because it was helping a lot more than I realized. And for me, I had been dealing with some vicious brain fog and it had really helped with it; I took a break, and it took me a few weeks to get back to how much better I'd been feeling. Not saying it takes that long to work - because there are acute benefits, but for mine, it was helping with brain fog that I think was a cumulation of Covid and post concussion issues.
Dustin07
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this was my experience with other nootropics and why I'm eager to give sabroxy a try. I got to where the mental clarity was so great, I didn't feel like i needed help anymore and didn't buy more lol
Dustin07
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Would you apply it for acute application to something like poker or sports? An extra cap?
GreenMachineX
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Weight: 224.6
Standing OHP 4 x 10/10/10/7 x 115
CG Bench 12x95, 10x115, 2 x 8 x 125
Incline Cable Press 3 x 8 x 12.5
DB Lateral Raise 3 x 10 x 15's
Skullcrushers 3 x 10/8/9 x 50
Heaving up the Lateral Raise too much, so I think I'll back down weight to just do perfect form for that Lateral head. Otherwise, adding in incline cable press. Skullcrushers stuck.
GreenMachineX
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Weight: 223.6
Bench 4 x 8/6/6/5 x 210
Incline CG Hammer Press 4 x 8/8/8/8 x 120
EZ Upright Row 3 x 10 x 50
DB Lateral Raise Left Arm 1 set 8 x 8lb
Hammer Grip Machine OHP 3 x 10/10/8 x 70
OH Triceps Extension 3 x 8 x 27.5
Another bad workout overall. Ugh. And miscalculated my Bench work, so I meant to do 200 for 4 sets of 10, but put 210 on there by accident and didn't realize until after failing the last set. Argh. Even so, that rep count is the same as when I was doing 225 before the week off. I just don't understand.
Sleep has been suffering a bit even with lunesta, stuck awake after 6 hours with a couple wakeups during the 6.
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GreenMachineX
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Yeah, I guess. Looking back over the past several months, I'm unsure of how much progress I actually made.
MrKleen73
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This is my usual amount of sleep with normally 2-3 wake ups to pee in the middle of the night.
Yeah specificity matters once you are at a certain level. I would say he is at that level, he moves some big weights and judging by his body weight I am assuming he has a lot of muscle on him, and a lot of training age since I know he has been training for a long time.
GreenMachineX
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Yeah, I'm just not that tough anymore lol
I've thought this before too, but then I think if my dweebie 25 pound Curls, 100 pound rows, and 150 pound Shrugs, and man, I just think I can't be at "that level" yet. But I don't know. I'm just being a negative Nancy lol
MrKleen73
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Haha, I don't know about that. I have always run on this amount of sleep all of my life other than waking up to pee twice a night. That is just the last 5-10 years. LMAO! We all need a different amount to feel rested.
It isn't all about strength a lot of it has to do with the amount of muscle. If you are working a large amount of muscle mass to the point of or close to the point of failure like 3-0RIR you are going to need a lot more recovery than a 185lb man doing the same workout and weights. It is more like if you had to repair sheetrock in your whole house instead of just a couple rooms. The whole house is simply going to take longer, and take more resources because it is more to repair.
A little support to get out of the Negative Nancy feeling.
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GreenMachineX
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That's a really interesting point! Thanks. Makes sense.Haha, I don't know about that. I have always run on this amount of sleep all of my life other than waking up to pee twice a night. That is just the last 5-10 years. LMAO! We all need a different amount to feel rested.
It isn't all about strength a lot of it has to do with the amount of muscle. If you are working a large amount of muscle mass to the point of or close to the point of failure like 3-0RIR you are going to need a lot more recovery than a 185lb man doing the same workout and weights. It is more like if you had to repair sheetrock in your whole house instead of just a couple rooms. The whole house is simply going to take longer, and take more resources because it is more to repair.
A little support to get out of the Negative Nancy feeling.
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I actually slept fairly well last night on half the amount of lunesta.
GreenMachineX
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Squat 5x235, 3x255, 3x275, 3x285
Pullups 4 sets of 2
Double Arm Cable Rows 2 x 8 x 90
BB Shrugs 12x135, 3x5x185
Reverse Pec Deck 3 x 12/10/15 x 25
Incline DB Curl 4 x 8/8/8/6 x 25's
Going to start increasing volume overall. 8-12 sets per body part per week, except squats and DL (4 work sets each). No more 531...gonna go back to more volume but minimal amraps.
Pullups 4 sets of 2
Double Arm Cable Rows 2 x 8 x 90
BB Shrugs 12x135, 3x5x185
Reverse Pec Deck 3 x 12/10/15 x 25
Incline DB Curl 4 x 8/8/8/6 x 25's
Going to start increasing volume overall. 8-12 sets per body part per week, except squats and DL (4 work sets each). No more 531...gonna go back to more volume but minimal amraps.
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MrKleen73
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I think this is a great idea. I know we have discussed your goals and the include both strength and size. Which you can definitely train for like that. If not training specifically for strength you can still get very strong never going near a single or even a triple. You can plenty big and strong in the 5-10 rep range, even the 10-15 rep range. Doing Heavy singles and triples on DL, and Squats in the same week is very taxing on the CNS and lower back, add in an AMRAP set and things get pretty dicey if all other things are not well taken care of or you have some type of disordered reaction to extremely hard training like you seem to have. Just have to find another way that might not be the most efficient approach for strength accrual, but still checks all the boxes needed for progress.
Trust me if you get stronger in the 5-15 rep range, you are going to be stronger when you retrain your CNS for triples and singles later. Especially with the new muscle built in the hypertrophy range.
GreenMachineX
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I gotcha. Yeah, but man, squats and DL in the 10-15 rep range is brutal lol. But yeah, I'll change it up. For reference, the squat today last set was still 2-3 rir.
GreenMachineX
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Took some measurements after my workout and eating for fun...
Chest (relaxed) 49.5"
Biceps (flexed) 15.5"
Waist (around navel) 38.5"
Quad (flexed) 24"
As you can see, I have some work to do on that bicep and waist!
I'll take better measurements on the morning, not after just eating 4 bagels, 2 if which with sausage, egg, cheese and cream cheese, and no pump.
Chest (relaxed) 49.5"
Biceps (flexed) 15.5"
Waist (around navel) 38.5"
Quad (flexed) 24"
As you can see, I have some work to do on that bicep and waist!
I'll take better measurements on the morning, not after just eating 4 bagels, 2 if which with sausage, egg, cheese and cream cheese, and no pump.