Boladrol(Incredible Bulk Expected)The Log

BrYmAsTeR17 said:
LOL AT SWAG

Mich this is the coolest log i've ever seen. No joke broski
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I'm trying to keep up with the kids.I'm somewhat outta touch.I just don't have the time to keep up with all the new slang but I try to though.

SkItZoId said:
I have to say im shocked you have only put on 2 pounds at this stage.
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I'm somewhat suprised but then again not really.I can tell from how my body feels that this stuff is not hitting me very hard.Same thing happened to me with superdrol.
 
Mich didn.t you say you did not respond to superdrol either? if thats the case then you probable won't respond to bola either
 
IBE said:
Mich didn.t you say you did not respond to superdrol either? if thats the case then you probable won't respond to bola either
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indeed I did.but this is still a great product I'm sure with a higher dosing scheme this stuff would product stellar gains for me.I saw the pre sale as well very very nice price I'm sure its going to sell out very soon.
 
ever thought of giving up weights and getting into ball room dancing.

seriously though how can you be ony 130 on steriods. You must be doing somehting wrong.
 
mich29 said:
indeed I did.but this is still a great product I'm sure with a higher dosing scheme this stuff would product stellar gains for me.I saw the pre sale as well very very nice price I'm sure its going to sell out very soon.
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I don't believe a higher dose is what you need. I think a better planned diet and lifting harder will produce the gains you want.

I understand you're "satisfied" with your current weight, but you in no way are ready for steroids.
 
we touch on the topic of mich weight in the begging of the log, I am puzzled as to why mich has not added more size, diet plays a big role mich needs to dial his in for sure, after this kicks in you should be added 1lbs every other day (on a conservative opinion)

mich since you did not respond to SD, which clone did you try? what other PH's have you tried? which one did you respond to?
 
farrellzach said:
I don't believe a higher dose is what you need. I think a better planned diet and lifting harder will produce the gains you want.

I understand you're "satisfied" with your current weight, but you in no way are ready for steroids.
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AGREED
 
Delta Force said:
we touch on the topic of mich weight in the begging of the log, I am puzzled as to why mich has not added more size, diet plays a big role mich needs to dial his in for sure, after this kicks in you should be added 1lbs every other day (on a conservative opinion)

mich since you did not respond to SD, which clone did you try? what other PH's have you tried? which one did you respond to?
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Diet is in check as I'm putting on 2lbs a week which naturally is what I was putting on a week when I started up a few years ago.I haven't picked up any other sd clones.I started out using lg's orig version of melthy 1d and put on 15lbs and held it.then waited awhile then used fast actions sd and got nothing from it.then waited awhile again and happen to get lucky and got some orig 1ad run it at the max dosing and got 5lbs maybe from it didn't response to it very well either didn't really feel it much.

then waited awhile yet again then ran Prododrol at 150mg and blew up to 162lbs really liked this cycle felt it working and had great lilfts on it but was super expensive.
 
mich29 said:
Diet is in check as I'm putting on 2lbs a week which naturally is what I was putting on a week when I started up a few years ago.I haven't picked up any other sd clones.I started out using lg's orig version of melthy 1d and put on 15lbs and held it.then waited awhile then used fast actions sd and got nothing from it.then waited awhile again and happen to get lucky and got some orig 1ad run it at the max dosing and got 5lbs maybe from it didn't response to it very well either didn't really feel it much.

then waited awhile yet again then ran Prododrol at 150mg and blew up to 162lbs really liked this cycle felt it working and had great lilfts on it but was super expensive.
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But 2 lbs a week naturally is just that--naturally. You're using a powerfull anabolic steroid. You should be looking in the realm of 4-maybe 5lbs a week if you're eating enough.

And who knows, maybe you got a bunk bottle of the Fast Action SD, but I find it hard to believe with your diet "in check" you get nothing from these compounds. I don't think you're the unlucky SOB who every bottle he touches is bunk. Something isn't right here and 99.99% of the time it's diet.
 
farrellzach said:
But 2 lbs a week naturally is just that--naturally. You're using a powerfull anabolic steroid. You should be looking in the realm of 4-maybe 5lbs a week if you're eating enough.

And who knows, maybe you got a bunk bottle of the Fast Action SD, but I find it hard to believe with your diet "in check" you get nothing from these compounds. I don't think you're the unlucky SOB who every bottle he touches is bunk. Something isn't right here and 99.99% of the time it's diet.
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I'm suprised as anyone else I figured I'd be up 5lbs the first week but that "feeling" that I've gotten with a few ph/ds supplements that I responsed well to just isn't present on this cycle.As far as diet I'm using the same diet as I would if on a super bulk for a ph/ds cycle.
 
mich29 said:
I'm suprised as anyone else I figured I'd be up 5lbs the first week but that "feeling" that I've gotten with a few ph/ds supplements that I responsed well to just isn't present on this cycle.As far as diet I'm using the same diet as I would if on a super bulk for a ph/ds cycle.
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I haven't read through your entire log, but if you haven't posted up your diet, would you mind doing so?

Just so I can see what you're taking in?
 
farrellzach said:
I haven't read through your entire log, but if you haven't posted up your diet, would you mind doing so?

Just so I can see what you're taking in?
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shakes 3 to 4 a day,chicken,steak,salad,fruit,oats,eggs,cheese,lots of water,latose free milk,hamburger,potatoes,fish,cheat meals a few times a week and on weekends,ribs this sorta stuff
 
mich29 said:
shakes 3 to 4 a day,chicken,steak,salad,fruit,oats,eggs,cheese,lots of water,latose free milk,hamburger,potatoes,fish,cheat meals a few times a week and on weekends,ribs this sorta stuff
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I'd be really interested to see what the total cals/macros hit using something like fitday. Even if you're eating the right stuff, if it's off just enough, you wont' get the results you want.
 
I could be wrong but I don't think Boladrol has any conversion to estrogen reason being is because there is some fat loss going on here in which I can not explain. It could be possibly maybe having an anti-estrogen effect? The actual anti-estrogen effect which could explain why some are actually leaning up in the torso or are losing a lot of water weight while keeping muscle gains.
And some might not gain as much as others due to not enough carbs in diet hence the reason of weight gain more to due with glycogen not estrogen. Some are stating that muscles feel and look fuller and gains look better on days when good carb count is present.

Just a thought
 
IBE said:
I could be wrong but I don't think boladrol as any conversion to estrogen reason being is because there is some fat loss going on here in wich I can not explain. it could be possible maybe having an anti-estrogen effect? just a thought
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Don't both Boladrol and Bolasterone itself have the ability to convert to estrogen metabolites? I don't know if fat loss is a strong enough indication to deny those claims.
 
IBE said:
I could be wrong but I don't think boladrol as any conversion to estrogen reason being is because there is some fat loss going on here in wich I can not explain. it could be possible maybe having an anti-estrogen effect? just a thought
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Mich hasn't got any fat to loose really. Im more leaning towards the amount of calories he is getting in and the type of training he is doing.

Mich. Could you post an honest example of a 2 week workout for yourself. Also a days diet and a weekends. Cheers.

Not to be funny about things, but i've put on about 5-6 pounds over the last 4 weeks, lean(relatively) and natural, on a bulk. This seems really odd to me.
 
why i said just a thought, the thing is no one knows for sure if it does in fact convert to estrogen. if it converted to estrogen then users would be bloaded and look fatter but the complete opposite is happening.

HereToStudy said:
Don't both Boladrol and Bolasterone itself have the ability to convert to estrogen metabolites? I don't know if fat loss is a strong enough indication to deny those claims.
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maybe you took what i said that I was referring to mich which I was not I was just talking about bola but maybe i should of post this on PP and ryan log..lol


SkItZoId said:
Mich hasn't got any fat to loose really. Im more leaning towards the amount of calories he is getting in and the type of training he is doing.

Mich. Could you post an honest example of a 2 week workout for yourself. Also a days diet and a weekends. Cheers.

Not to be funny about things, but i've put on about 5-6 pounds over the last 4 weeks, lean(relatively) and natural, on a bulk. This seems really odd to me.
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IBE said:
maybe you took what i said that I was referring to mich which I was not I was just talking about bola but maybe i should of post this on PP and ryan log..lol
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LOL maybe.

Thus far Bola is looking a good compound. Blood work is going to be interesting. Did the Alpha testers get bloods done prior, during and/or after?
 
IBE said:
why i said just a thought, the thing is no one knows for sure if it does in fact convert to estrogen. if it converted to estrogen then users would be bloaded and look fatter but the complete opposite is happening.
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Im not taking a stance on it either way, I do question why most are not seeing a bloated appearance as well, but again everything points at estrogen conversion when looking at the compound, so it is interesting to see. I really hope someone starts playing with getting bloodwork done so we can see what is going on internally.
 
I agree it's a new compound so no one knows for sure what is going on, I have to admit it's acting different then we all expected.

HereToStudy said:
Im not taking a stance on it either way, I do question why most are not seeing a bloated appearance as well, but again everything points at estrogen conversion when looking at the compound, so it is interesting to see. I really hope someone starts playing with getting bloodwork done so we can see what is going on internally.
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Here's the thing. I get bp related sides on a consistent basis due to "wet" compounds. Bola had similar effects. Now it may be the androgenic aspect that causes the bp issue, in fact it would make sense with the dose dependent spike in bp. However, after introducing erase, an AI, I immediately had relief of this issue. I also looked, and felt dryer. IMO there is some type of estrogen conversion somewhere down the chain. Just my opinion and results so far from bola. I am leaning out a little though, but again I am taking erase at 2 caps a day.
 
I am willing to bet 5 bottles of boladrol that there is little to no conversion to estrogen going on
 
I friggin hate my phone and not posting my messages....

Lets try this again.....

I have seen jbry make mention many times that it is impossible for the diol version of bolasterone (boladrol/boladiol) to aromatize.... Don't know if its factual or not.

Boladrol would then have to convert to bolasterone and then that small amount would aromatize to dimethylestrogen....

This leads me to believe that one would be able to dose a very small among of an aromatase inhibitor to have a large relief in estrogenic sides, since although very little estrogen is created it is also very strong.... So one can easily turn this potentially wet compound into one that is very dry yet still exerts great strength and weight gains given its glycogen shuttling capabilities and strong anabolic profile.
 
poopypants said:
This leads me to believe that one would be able to dose a very small among of an aromatase inhibitor to have a large relief in estrogenic sides, since although very little estrogen is created it is also very strong.... So one can easily turn this potentially wet compound into one that is very dry yet still exerts great strength and weight gains given its glycogen shuttling capabilities and strong anabolic profile.
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I think you are right on with this. :goodpost:
 
poopypants said:
I have seen jbry make mention many times that it is impossible for the diol version of bolasterone (boladrol/boladiol) to aromatize.... Don't know if its factual or not.
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From Seth Roberts:

Also, the Diol and Bolasterone both have the capacity to be converted to estrogenic metabolites
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Additionally, one would expect to see strong estrogenic and androgrenic side effects from this prohormone
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LakeMountD said:
Why do people keep quoting Seth Roberts as if he were an exclusive writer for PubMed or something lol? Something that has the propensity to do something doesn't mean it will elicit a said effect.
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I quote him often because he is my most recent read, it is not done in a ultimate answer type way (or at least I don't mean it to), it is simply giving the counter argument, since in reality, no body knows for certain what is going on. I actually had the pleasure of reading your comment on this issue in the other log, and I certainly think your analysis seems very plausible, and has led me to side more towards the "no/low estrogenic sides" argument. But again, at this point, who knows?
 
Any updates mich? :)

//CC
 
poopypants said:
Boladrol would then have to convert to bolasterone and then that small amount would aromatize to dimethylestrogen....
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PA has said that it should convert very well, almost all converting to bolasterone.

HereToStudy said:
From Seth Roberts:
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Also, the Diol and Bolasterone both have the capacity to be converted to estrogenic metabolites
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It's my understanding that a steroid needs a 3-ketone in order to aromatise, otherwise enolization, a key aspect of aromatization, is impossible.

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Of course, he didn't say the diol was directly aromatizable, he said some metabolites would be estrogenic, which could mean something different.
 
henryv said:
PA has said that it should convert very well, almost all converting to bolasterone.





It's my understanding that a steroid needs a 3-ketone in order to aromatise, otherwise enolization, a key aspect of aromatization, is impossible.

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Of course, he didn't say the diol was directly aromatizable, he said some metabolites would be estrogenic, which could mean something different.
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good stuff here thanks hen:You_Rock_Emoticon:
 
Hey Mich. Could you elaborate on your training and diet? What days, what sets, which body parts, what exercises? If you could give us an honest example of this with daily diet and lay out, it will provide valuable information when compared to other users ect. Cheers.
 
SkItZoId said:
Hey Mich. Could you elaborate on your training and diet? What days, what sets, which body parts, what exercises? If you could give us an honest example of this with daily diet and lay out, it will provide valuable information when compared to other users ect. Cheers.
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I do 4 days on 3 days off.

mon-chest,arms,back
tue-legs,quads,calves
wed-chest,arms,back
ths-legs,quads,calves
fri-off
sat-off
sun-off

exe like

close grip barbell press
incline press
mil. press
t bar row
barbell curls
dips

quad curls
deep squats
cavle raises
lunges

machine ab crunches

I make sure to use correct form and weight and do my reps at a medium speed so I get the full effect and don't waste any reps.

as far as diet
just about all of these items come into play daily

chicken,steak,salad,fruit, oats,eggs,cheese,lots of water,latose free milk,hamburger,potatoes,fish,cheat meals a few times a week and on weekends,ribs. I'll throw a shake in at the end because I can force a shake down after eating alot of food regardless so I'l try to drink 4 shakes a day but def 3 a day regardless.I try to average about 1200 to 1500 calories total per meal using those types of food.
 
mich29 said:
I do 4 days on 3 days off.

mon-chest,arms,back
tue-legs,quads,calves
wed-chest,arms,back
ths-legs,quads,calves
fri-off
sat-off
sun-off

exe like

close grip barbell press
incline press
mil. press
t bar row
barbell curls
dips

quad curls
deep squats
cavle raises
lunges

machine ab crunches

I make sure to use correct form and weight and do my reps at a medium speed so I get the full effect and don't waste any reps.

as far as diet
just about all of these items come into play daily

chicken,steak,salad,fruit, oats,eggs,cheese,lots of water,latose free milk,hamburger,potatoes,fish,cheat meals a few times a week and on weekends,ribs. I'll throw a shake in at the end because I can force a shake down after eating alot of food regardless so I'l try to drink 4 shakes a day but def 3 a day regardless.I try to average about 1200 to 1500 calories total per meal using those types of food.
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How many sets do you do of each excercise and how many meals a day? What does one meal look like, how do you calculate your calories?

Persnolly I try not to hit major muscle groupls more than once per week. May others will pitch in on that one? I think you would benefit from more variation in your workout.
 
SkItZoId said:
How many sets do you do of each excercise and how many meals a day? What does one meal look like, how do you calculate your calories?

Persnolly I try not to hit major muscle groupls more than once per week. May others will pitch in on that one? I think you would benefit from more variation in your workout.
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I split up and switch up exe so I'm not doing the same ones over and over.I hit them twice a week as growth for me occurs when I do this since I'm a ectomorph .I've tried the other way using others workouts and ideas from others and it didn't produce results as fast as what I'm doing now. I went back to my lifting days I had in high school some what only I'm hitting my muscles twice a week instead of 3 times a week since I am getting kinda old ;)

1 meal will look like this

large chicken breast on a bun with hot sauce,sour cream,cheese
1 bowl of oats
1 bowl of mashed potoates butter,salt,garlic
bowl of salad no dressing
cup of pears
1 shake 20oz of milk with 3 scoops of weight gainer

I'll look at the box on the food or etc and add up calories.
 
mich29 said:
I split up and switch up exe so I'm not doing the same ones over and over.I hit them twice a week as growth for me occurs when I do this since I'm a ectomorph .I've tried the other way using others workouts and ideas from others and it didn't produce results as fast as what I'm doing now. I went back to my lifting days I had in high school some what only I'm hitting my muscles twice a week instead of 3 times a week since I am getting kinda old ;)

1 meal will look like this

large chicken breast on a bun with hot sauce,sour cream,cheese
1 bowl of oats
1 bowl of mashed potoates butter,salt,garlic
bowl of salad no dressing
cup of pears
1 shake 20oz of milk with 3 scoops of weight gainer

I'll look at the box on the food or etc and add up calories.
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Its wierd, something doesn't add up. If you eat like that 3 times a day at your weight, then I would expect you to put on weight regardless of steroids. If your eating like that 5 times a day, then there is no way you wouldn't be putting on weight. Im baffled.

Also, I repectfullt disagree with your training. I think you are over training. You must have minimul fast twitch fibers, you need to do heavy compounds, low reps, low sets and get out the gym. Look at the build on a long distance runner compared to a 100m sprinter. One does long endurance the other does short but all out intensity. Of course im specifically talking about natural training. In my view you should even be considering steroids again until you can figure out why you cant put on weight. In all seriousness have you spoken to your doctor? Had bloods done to see if there is a sinister reason that you are so small and dont put on weight? I'd be concerned if I ate that much 4-5 times a day and didnt put on significant weight. To be fair If I ate that much 4-5 times a day with a gallon of water i'd be getting chubby! I dunno LOL maybe you have a hole in your face and the boladrol is falling out of it before it hits your stomach.

Anyway none of this is a knock at you, I just think there has to be a logical reason behind it, not one that just says thats the way I am, because you've been heavier and I just dont belive someone your size could put that much away with out seeing at least fat gain.
 
SkItZoId said:
Its wierd, something doesn't add up. If you eat like that 3 times a day at your weight, then I would expect you to put on weight regardless of steroids. If your eating like that 5 times a day, then there is no way you wouldn't be putting on weight. Im baffled.

Also, I repectfullt disagree with your training. I think you are over training. You must have minimul fast twitch fibers, you need to do heavy compounds, low reps, low sets and get out the gym. Look at the build on a long distance runner compared to a 100m sprinter. One does long endurance the other does short but all out intensity. Of course im specifically talking about natural training. In my view you should even be considering steroids again until you can figure out why you cant put on weight. In all seriousness have you spoken to your doctor? Had bloods done to see if there is a sinister reason that you are so small and dont put on weight? I'd be concerned if I ate that much 4-5 times a day and didnt put on significant weight. To be fair If I ate that much 4-5 times a day with a gallon of water i'd be getting chubby! I dunno LOL maybe you have a hole in your face and the boladrol is falling out of it before it hits your stomach.

Anyway none of this is a knock at you, I just think there has to be a logical reason behind it, not one that just says thats the way I am, because you've been heavier and I just dont belive someone your size could put that much away with out seeing at least fat gain.
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No offense taken without knowledge of my past issues alot of this will seem to not make much sense.

I'm doing heavy weights low reps low sets I do enough to create growth without over trainning I do walk a fine line though.I took on this log because I was interested in the supplement not to bypass hard work I'm def not some newbie that fell onto this supplement out of dumb luck.
My weight issue has to do with birth being a very very small preemie and a host of other issues I had at that time.I was actually given steroids as a preemie in order to enduce weight just to give you an idea of how bad things were. I won't go into more details(theres a host of info out there on preemies and their issues) but thats just say I'm lucky to be here normal and healthy and that the baby that was next to me wasn't so lucky.

I spoke to my doctor years ago about it and he said I'm always going to be naturally small.I've always been underweight for my age and height, blood work and etc came back that I was in perfect shape. My doctor said I shouldn't worry about weight gain that I was healthy and that others would be happy to havae my health numbers so I shouldn't worry about weight and that there was nothing physical wrong with me that would be cause for any alarm and that I was just naturallly a small guy.
 
mich29 said:
No offense taken without knowledge of my past issues alot of this will seem to not make much sense.

I'm doing heavy weights low reps low sets I do enough to create growth without over trainning I do walk a fine line though.I took on this log because I was interested in the supplement not to bypass hard work I'm def not some newbie that fell onto this supplement out of dumb luck.
My weight issue has to do with birth being a very very small preemie and a host of other issues I had at that time.I was actually given steroids as a preemie in order to enduce weight just to give you an idea of how bad things were. I won't go into more details(theres a host of info out there on preemies and their issues) but thats just say I'm lucky to be here normal and healthy and that the baby that was next to me wasn't so lucky.

I spoke to my doctor years ago about it and he said I'm always going to be naturally small.I've always been underweight for my age and height, blood work and etc came back that I was in perfect shape. My doctor said I shouldn't worry about weight gain that I was healthy and that others would be happy to havae my health numbers so I shouldn't worry about weight and that there was nothing physical wrong with me that would be cause for any alarm and that I was just naturallly a small guy.
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Haha, my doctor said the same thing when I was about 5 years old. However he decided to do something about it. Yeah I'm still small framed but thanks to that growth hormone I believe it changed the course of my "potential" weight gain now. For one year I was on Protropin I believe? Something like that...anyways dude that's terrible that you eat so much and take roids and still no drastic gains. I'd be upset personally and would want to get to the bottom of it. Something in your body is taking up all your calories, period. There are unexplainable phenomenons when it comes to appearance and strength genetics, but when it comes to putting on weight it's all the same. You gotta bring in more than you are puttin' out.
 
mich29 said:
I do 4 days on 3 days off.

mon-chest,arms,back
tue-legs,quads,calves
wed-chest,arms,back
ths-legs,quads,calves
fri-off
sat-off
sun-off
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Is there a reason you don't take Wed. off and move your workouts to thurs and fri? To me that seems like more of a logical plan. instead of a large amount of time off, you spread it out to maximize your recovery time.. I tried to do what you're doing once and when I switched it to Mon,tues & Thurs,Fri my gains were better.
 
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