Nice! Week 3 and forward is really when I started to notice results to kick in.
I haven't, if I'm being completely honest it didn't even occur to me that that could be the cause of it, especially considering that the pain only comes about if I put substantial load on it. Thanks for pointing that out ! Might have bands in the gym but the roller is broken and they're supposed to get a replacement. Are there any stretches/band movements you would recommend to remedy this?Always nice when people see your progress!! Glad things are going well for you! On your knee-have you even done any rolling or anything on your quad/IT band? Sometimes the pain can also be from tight muscles pulling things out of alignment.
You’d be surprised how often tight muscles are the culprit for pain (ie forearms/elbow pain, sciatic/piriformis...) You could do some yoga type poses with or without bands such as the pigeon pose to help stretch things out. You could always buy one to keep at home. They’re typically less than $15. Tennis balls & lacrosse balls also get the job done if you have one of those.I haven't, if I'm being completely honest it didn't even occur to me that that could be the cause of it, especially considering that the pain only comes about if I put substantial load on it. Thanks for pointing that out ! Might have bands in the gym but the roller is broken and they're supposed to get a replacement. Are there any stretches/band movements you would recommend to remedy this?
I'll have to open the Vector I have and see if it is the same. Its probably just the ingredients of Vector, or more probably the filler.On a side note.. what is this powdery residue in the Vector tub? Normal ? Should I lick clean for optimal gains ? Haha
This. Nothing to worry about.I'll have to open the Vector I have and see if it is the same. Its probably just the ingredients of Vector, or more probably the filler.
Heck yeah!! Things are really kicking in now!! Good stuff!!Day 16 -
Wait, what just happened? Arm day today, weights are up significantly from the last 8-10 rep cycle three weeks ago. Blasted through 14 supersets, 3 giant sets and 16 minutes of tabata in under 45 minutes. I don't think I rested at all between sets (except a minute between the tabata bouts and whatever time it took to move on to the next exercises). The weights barely put a dent in my stamina, truth be told I was left wanting for more volume from this workout.
Hanzo is no more.. I am SCORPION!
It looks like one of them may have leaked a little. Definitely lick the tub! HahaOn a side note.. what is this powdery residue in the Vector tub? Normal ? Should I lick clean for optimal gains ? Haha
This 100%, especially if you are trying to utilize a GDA to its full benefits.I would drop that fat some, and raise the carbs,
This. Nothing to worry about.
But you should probably lick the bottle if you want the full effect haha
Licked the tub clean, tongue strength and endurance up exponentially. The fiance will be pleased.It looks like one of them may have leaked a little. Definitely lick the tub! Haha
More or less my Carbs are at 220-250 (75-100 are the only sugars; fruit and a spoon of honey in the morning with my oats), Fat 90-100, and the rest is protein (Aim for around 220 but I usually cross that by 20-40 grams).This 100%, especially if you are trying to utilize a GDA to its full benefits.
What is your fat and carb #s? It doesn't show
and how are you outlining your dietary meals?
Why not try to see how you respond with 300-350g of carbs and lower fat?More or less my Carbs are at 220-250 (75-100 are the only sugars; fruit and a spoon of honey in the morning with my oats), Fat 90-100, and the rest is protein (Aim for around 220 but I usually cross that by 20-40 grams).
I split the 6 cap serving of Load into 3/3 with breakfast (about 100 grams carbs, 50 protein, 30 fat) and lunch (another 100 carbs, 20-30 fat, 50-60 protein) . Hit the gym 3 hours after this with 3 caps Vector in the evening, and 60g whey Pwo.
Carbs taper off towards the evening usually have a steak for dinner or throw in mixed nuts with chicken for a higher fat to carb ratio). Last vector serving pre bed with some aminos leftover from the gym.
Good advice.Why not try to see how you respond with 300-350g of carbs and lower fat?
Can't hurt if calories are consistent. You may find some better performance, endurance, and recovery out of it. But everyone is different when it comes to macro set-ups, and what sources they digest best. If you have that much to play with you could split things up more evenly throughout the day and do 2/2/2 with the LOAD, but again many factors just depend on how you want to set things up.
I think you do what like 4-5 meals? So that leaves 3 meals carbless and 2 meals very heavy (100g). You can correct me if I am wrong. I still don't see why you have no carbs post-workout. That would be a very opportune time to do so with your whey since insulin sensitivity is very high after resistance training. You don't need to rush that meal since you train later and there will be food overlapping.
So you could do
Breakfast - 100g Carbs
Lunch - 100g of carbs
Post WO - 100g of carbs
Trace from veggies in other meals
and then lower the fat evenly among your meals and keep protein steady
Or you could try 75/75/50/100 spread out among your meals
It is really a feel thing with anyone on how they respond, feel, and how they are digesting the sources/macros they setup
First off, thank you for taking the time out to help and write all that, it is genuinely appreciatedWhy not try to see how you respond with 300-350g of carbs and lower fat?
Can't hurt if calories are consistent. You may find some better performance, endurance, and recovery out of it. But everyone is different when it comes to macro set-ups, and what sources they digest best. If you have that much to play with you could split things up more evenly throughout the day and do 2/2/2 with the LOAD, but again many factors just depend on how you want to set things up.
I think you do what like 4-5 meals? So that leaves 3 meals carbless and 2 meals very heavy (100g). You can correct me if I am wrong. I still don't see why you have no carbs post-workout. That would be a very opportune time to do so with your whey since insulin sensitivity is very high after resistance training. You don't need to rush that meal since you train later and there will be food overlapping.
So you could do
Breakfast - 100g Carbs
Lunch - 100g of carbs
Post WO - 100g of carbs
Trace from veggies in other meals
and then lower the fat evenly among your meals and keep protein steady
Or you could try 75/75/50/100 spread out among your meals
It is really a feel thing with anyone on how they respond, feel, and how they are digesting the sources/macros they setup
I don’t see why you would not have carbs post workout when it’s the best opportune time to ingest them. Insulin sensitive is very high due to resistance training. The body is primed for glycogen replenishment. Your statement of Whey spiking insulin doesn’t matter, spiking insulin was debunked in the 90’s for any merit. Your not an endurance athlete, your not someone who is training multiple times a day when insulin spiking may (key word may) have an significance.First off, thank you for taking the time out to help and write all that, it is genuinely appreciated
My carbs are more like 100/100/0/50, protein consistent at 50-60g each meal and fat fluctuates a bit but always lands up near the 90-100 mark.
I only get two meals in before my workout (breakfast and lunch) and I feel the effects more when I split 3/3, a lot of people also said there wouldnt be much point taking a GDA with dinner after a workout either. So I set things up so that I make the most of LOAD before going in to my workout.
If I'm not wrong, even whey protein pwo causes a significant insulin spike, so I would just save the rest of my carbs for dinner which follows a couple hours after. But if I have more carbs to play with then I could spread them out more yes.
What do you mean by food overlapping?I don’t see why you would not have carbs post workout when it’s the best opportune time to ingest them. Insulin sensitive is very high due to resistance training. The body is primed for glycogen replenishment. Your statement of Whey spiking insulin doesn’t matter, spiking insulin was debunked in the 90’s for any merit. Your not an endurance athlete, your not someone who is training multiple times a day when insulin spiking may (key word may) have an significance.
You have food overlapping each meal you eat, but you may as well time your carbs at the best possible situations (pre and post) when the body can utilize them best. If you don’t want to that's up to you.
Just my 2 cents I would build my carbs pre and post first before going to other meals
Food overlapping = You eat multiple meals per day, you are always going to have food still digesting from the previous meal. Hence why insulin spiking is ruled out, now if you were an endurance athlete or training in a 24+ hour fasted state as most research shows on insulin spiking then it would be a different story. Your pre-workout meal is still going to be digesting into the post-workout window (or period). Spiking insulin or not the post-workout meal is always going to be a great time to eat carbs given how insulin sensitive the body is. Since you feed your body so many times in a 24 hour period (and most likely use an intra-workout beverage with amino acids) you are constantly elevated MPS (Muscle Protein Synthesis).What do you mean by food overlapping?
Advice heard, loud and clear! It's Monday morning right now, meals prepped for a 35/35/30 percent split in macros, 80g Carbs for breakfast, 100g preworkout and another 100g post. Fat intake down to 70 grams from 100 and Protein is a consistent 50-60g per meal.
I'll be taking my supps the same way 3/3 Load with the first two meals, 3/3 Vector preworkout and pre bed. Bring on Week 4!
Good to have you back on the thread !Still rocking with you!
I have tried many different methods of utilizing carbs.
- Some in the morning and some after the gym.
- Some in the morning and some pre.
- Before and after workout.
Really just have to find what works best with your schedule and body but I will say that I find I have much better body composition results if I do carbs before and after the gym. With that being said just recently ive been doing like 20gms carbs with my first meal as I was using berberine, 40gms carbs pre and 40gms carbs post.
That's a new one (to me anyway ). How much are we talking, the amount you'd take with a shot of tequila or a couple grams ?To enhance pumps, pour some salt into your hand pre gym, and consume. As for bloat, play with the fiber, lower it again.
Vector made me bloated AFDay 22 -
Reps are up this week, managed to bang out more on heavier weights (what I used for 9-10 reps on Week 1 I'm now hitting for 12-15). Didn't have that insane stamina today, which is odd because I was well rested, well fed and ready to go, but rests were still significantly shorter than before and I decided to focus more on the contractions and squeezes than the actual movements today. Good workout overall.
I've noticed that I have good pumps in the gym but nothing AMAZING like some people claim to get on a GDA. I think I might play with my Load dosing and carbs next week (might bump up the pre-workout carbs and take a full 6 cap serving instead of a 3/3 split) and see how that treats me.
On a sidenote, this bloating seems to be happening more often than not. Pants felt tighter today, with my dad and a work colleague commenting on how I seem to be "putting on weight". Now I know I actually look a little bit leaner under these clothes than I did a couple weeks ago, but what gives? I'm bloated AF. Am I carb loading into my abs and ass!?
Yes, I am taking more fibre than I used to a month ago, but considering it's been that long and my intake has only been bumped from 10-15 to 20-25 grams I don't see how that could be the culprit. The kinds of food I eat haven't changed either. Hate to say it but my post lunch dump wasn't all that "solid" either. I've been on Load for almost a month now and this has only started happening in the last few days, so I cannot definitively attribute it to that either.
Edit: Forgot to mention, I ended up with a 35/40/25 Macro split today instead of the intended 35/35/30.
Could be that it also encourages the production of gut protein, but it would be better to hear from a BLR rep on this .Vector made me bloated AF
Fiber itself actually inhibits protein and nutrient absorption to a degree. Fiber is not necessary to have a bowl movement. Fiber will increase bloat. I minimize fiber in my life, and I am regular, have minimal bloatThat's a new one (to me anyway ). How much are we talking, the amount you'd take with a shot of tequila or a couple grams ?
As for dropping fibre, wouldn't that inhibit proper digestion of all this food I'm chomping down on ?
I don't recall myself being bloated when I ran vector. I will be running again soon, so I'll find out for myself.Could be that it also encourages the production of gut protein, but it would be better to hear from a BLR rep on this .
I don't recall that either when I ran it but everyone reacts differently.I don't recall myself being bloated when I ran vector. I will be running again soon, so I'll find out for myself.
This is just a rough guideline and will vary from person to person, but it gives us a good place to start. If you are someone who is currently under-eating fiber, and feel you need to increase your consumption, do so slowly. You don’t want to go from consuming 10 grams per day, straight to consuming 30 grams/day, as this could cause some of those negative unwanted side-effects we talked about. Add fiber in slowly (5 to 7 grams at a time, giving your body time to acclimate, and seeing how it responds).
AgreeThere’s so many things that could effect bloat that it may be hard to pinpoint (hydration, mineral balance, food sources, etc.).
Considering you did up your fiber recently that could be a possible culprit. You could lower it a tad and see if that helps. Over the long term you could still shoot to get it up higher, as you aren’t hitting the general recommended amounts even at your higher level yet.
You could check this out (quote with particular emphasis due to your situation) for more info and possible help: https://3dmusclejourney.com/how-to-use-fiber-when-dieting/
Cheers! Appreciate the supportI'm in to follow. nice log so far!
Love me some Vector.
Ready for my busy season to be over so I can hit the gym consistently and get back in the kitchen more.
Got 3 bottles of Vector waiting....
Been taking only my Folli for the last 3 months.
Quick question; I recieved a tub of Xtend, opened the seal and it was clumpy, probably caused by the humidity we have here during monsoons. Does moisture degrade or denature bcaas in powder form?
Folli is a staple for me.Cheers! Appreciate the support
Folli is easily my favourite supplement so far. If Vector acts anything like Follidrone then the next few weeks are where I would expect to see some real changes start to happen, especially considering I'm more on point with my diet than I was then.
Back then I prioritised protein and ate carbs and fat intuitively . And I drank a lot more often. Despite that and not having access to a gym with barbells, or dumbbells bigger than 45 lbs, Follidrone really shined.
On a side note, a lot of people claim Vector makes their appetite go up. Ironically it was Folli that made me ravenous, especially the first two weeks. Vector hasn't affected my appetite so far.
I read this but how would I effectively measure moisture levels? Do they refer to the moisture level found in the supplement or are they referring to the surrounding atmosphere?Redirect Notice
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Folli is a staple for me.
With Vector my craving for carbs was high. I had to feed the monster. This is why I have to have plenty of time to hit the gym when I use Vector. otherwise I'm afraid I would just get fatter.
Vector is my go to Bulk supp. I dosed 2/2/2. (From what I have read 3/3 works just as good. I packed on around 15 lbs in 12 weeks and only added 1/2" to my waist. of course my endurance was great with all the carbs I was eating. I could hit the gym for 2 plus hrs. 4 times a week. even at 56 years old.
let me see if I can find my before and after pics.
After posting that article, I thought about all the ready to drink protein drinks for sale. There is an example of amino acids being in a state of complete moisture, and they are consumed all the time. Your amino acids should me okay to consume. Wouldn't put too much stock into it.I read this but how would I effectively measure moisture levels? Do they refer to the moisture level found in the supplement or are they referring to the surrounding atmosphere?
The powder has not hardened together, it is easily separable with a blunt object, and still mixes without any clumps. Both seals were still intact before opening so I'm assuming some level of denaturing might have taken place but the powder should still hold its efficacy for the most of it?
Definitely could tell mid section is slimmed down.All I could find was at the 6 week point. start pic on the left. sorry tried to take the pics in the same place and same distance. I have to blame this one on the wifey!
Sounds to me that you are on track for a great recomp. Vector made my hunger increase. So for me personally it is great for a bulk.Your log was one of the first that I read through when considering starting my own with Vector. 15 lbs is no joke and your muscles not only look bigger but thicker and fuller 12 weeks later. Kudos to you !
I'm not shooting for any massive gains like 15lbs (maybe next time!), my primary goal this cycle is recomp so I ideally want to put on / preserve as much muscle while getting leaner. That's not to say that I'm not eating above my usual maintenance, but I believe a lot of the excess gets set off with the glucose management and enhanced anabolism. I'm halfway through Week 4 and my muscles are feeling bigger and fuller, I'm slightly down in BF (from what I can see in the mirror) but I have experienced more leaning out around my arms/chest/shoulders than my midsection. Considering putting the yohimbine in the Hydroxycut I have to work for this purpose from next week, the added chlorogenic acid might also enhance the GDA effect. I recently ran Hydroxy for 8 weeks so I know what to expect from it, think it might work synergistically with the other two for recomp purposes. Thoughts?
My recomp so far has been up and down. Looked in the mirror today, definitely a feel good day. I feel like there have been a lot of days I'll wake up and not be satisfied with what I see though since starting this log. Maybe it's a psychological thing but I feel like I'm visibly worse than the day before some days.Sounds to me that you are on track for a great recomp. Vector made my hunger increase. So for me personally it is great for a bulk.
I don't use stim fat burners. I consume too much coffee throughout the day. Don't want to have a heart attack!
When I want to cut a little or recomp I add Letrone to my Folli. This works great for me. I don't have to cut my cals much and still gradually lose fat.
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