BLR Vector/Core Nutritionals Load Recomp Log

[Harishusain]

Is there anything better than waking up to a fresh delivery of supplements? Well, maybe morning sex, or maybe its just a close second

Fully stocked for a 12 week run of these two bad boys now, the goal is total body recomp. So a little background; I've been lifting for almost 10 years now, feel like my physique hit its peak (6'0, 86kg at 8% BF, nothing crazy but I was pretty happy with it) and declined over the last year or so.

I'm T minus 20 weeks till I wed my beautiful fiance so its crunch time. Just finished Stoppanis SS8 program, ended up putting on some muscle and dropping BF from 20% to 14% at 98kg. Last week was a deload week. Going into this week with the Superman Remastered program, with some Tabata and MISS cardio added in.


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Core LOAD

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Other supps I'm running:

Xtend
MT Nano X9 (bottle finishes in a couple days though)
MT Nitrotech (yielding 9g Creatine daily, most studies on cognitive benefits of creatine have been done on doses higher than 5g. Muscles are fully saturated, so this should not skew any results).

I've got a 4 week supply of Hydroxycut Next Gen (Red Caps) put away which I might throw in after 6-8 weeks or however long it takes to establish the efficacy of this stack.

So without further ado, LET THE GAINZZ BEGIN !

 

[Harishusain]

Monday -

Dosed Load 2/2/2, thirty minutes before breakfast, lunch and dinner. Didn't feel hypo in the slightest. Seemed to help get rid of the food baby I made at lunch a little quicker though.

Vector was dosed at 3/3, 30 min pre-workout (empty stomach) and pre-bed (30 min before having a shake). No hypo feelings with this either, though I did have slight discomfort in my lower stomach after the second dose, I can't be sure it's attributable to Vector just yet. Felt slightly hungrier with the second dose but nothing major.

I got a sample of Outbreak Nutrition's Pathogen (Double Barrel Berry), gotta say, chilled and with a little extra water to blunt the sweetness, this goes down EASY, definitely one of the better tasting Pre's I've tried. Stacked this with 4 Nano X9 pills and 3 Vector... Holy Sh!t. I didn't feel overstimmed, energy was clean, focus was good. Pump was somehow lacking initially but it grew halfway into the workout, but heres the best part... the weights felt light, and not just by a little, they felt REAL LIGHT. On bench-press my 8 rep max is currently (or so I thought) at about 175lb, today it was 220, all while doing supersets with bent over rows on the same weight and minimal rest (30-40 seconds).

Now this could be attributable to my deload week, Load, Vector, Pathogen or a mix of everything, I know and I apologise in advance, but pre samples make me giddy and I usually can't wait to try them. Fear not though, I'm going to see if I can replicate the results next time.

Attaching my macros with this post as well. I've set my upper limit at 2700 cal for now. While I may not be on point I'm never over my limit. However, with the introduction of these two supps I plan on gradually increasing my intake and seeing how far I can push it without spillover. Stay tuned !

 

[ValiantThor08]

I'm in+

 

[Resolve10]

Remember your thread asking about these.

Detail is good in here, good luck I’ll follow along.

 

[ValiantThor08]

Loving the protein content. No reason you shouldn't have quick recovery, and lean masa gain.

 

[Harishusain]

Loving the protein content. No reason you shouldn't have quick recovery, and lean masa gain.

Thanks for the support @ValiantThor08 and @Resolve10, should I be concerned about my cholesterol intake though, in terms of not just gains but overall health? I've notice that a large chunk of it is coming from the Nitrotech.

 

[ValiantThor08]

Thanks for the support @ValiantThor08 and @Resolve10, should I be concerned about my cholesterol intake though, in terms of not just gains but overall health? I've notice that a large chunk of it is coming from the Nitrotech.

If you do not intake dietary cholesterol, your body would create it itself. High sugar plus high fat in a meal is the driver for heart and health problems.

 

[ValiantThor08]

So in each meal, you can have heightened carbs, or heightened fat, but to have both at equal macros is not too good.

 

[3clipseGT]

Im in. Let’s make this happen!

 

[Resolve10]

Thanks for the support @ValiantThor08 and @Resolve10, should I be concerned about my cholesterol intake though, in terms of not just gains but overall health? I've notice that a large chunk of it is coming from the Nitrotech.

I wouldn’t worry about it unless you have blood work showing any problems.

 

[LeanEngineer]

I'm in on this!

 

[soxbsbll05]

I’m in.

I would up my carb intake with you taking both Load and Vector. The protein is a little high as well so you can substitute from that but obviously that’s just me.

Congrats on the wedding!

 

[Harishusain]

I’m in.

I would up my carb intake with you taking both Load and Vector. The protein is a little high as well so you can substitute from that but obviously that’s just me.

Congrats on the wedding!

@3clipseGT @LeanEngineer @soxbsbll05 welcome to the thread!

@soxbsbll05 Thanks mate !

Substitute protein for carbs? NEVER haha. Though I will start upping my carbs incrementally till I figure out my threshold on this stack, I'm only on Day 2 right now so we have time

I wouldn’t worry about it unless you have blood work showing any problems.

No known or hereditary issues, though I must admit I haven't had bloods done in a while.

If you do not intake dietary cholesterol, your body would create it itself. High sugar plus high fat in a meal is the driver for heart and health problems.

True, very true. But does cholesterol intake have an effect on MPS or blood glucose? Considering T is sythesized from cholesterol and LDL apparently contributes to MPS ..

 

[The Solution]

190g Carbs and 116g of that are sugar?
My question is why is over 60% of your carb intake coming from sugar?
I agree I would drop protein at least 20-25g and put them in the place of carbs. Once you meet a threshold of 3g leucine per meal or 1g/lb of protein in a 24 hour period (unless on true anabolics where P-Ratio is enhanced) the need for more is a law of diminishing returns. Sure you may like eating more protein, but you may find better performance, endurance, recovery towards setting your body up for an optimal training environment.

 

[Harishusain]

190g Carbs and 116g of that are sugar?
My question is why is over 60% of your carb intake coming from sugar?
I agree I would drop protein at least 20-25g and put them in the place of carbs. Once you meet a threshold of 3g leucine per meal or 1g/lb of protein in a 24 hour period (unless on true anabolics where P-Ratio is enhanced) the need for more is a law of diminishing returns. Sure you may like eating more protein, but you may find better performance, endurance, recovery towards setting your body up for an optimal training environment.

Prioritising fruit, so about half of my carbs are fructose. On a sidenote, do GDAs work with fructose or only once it's been converted to glucose ?

I'm hitting roughly 60g of protein per meal, x 4 meals = 240g give or take 20g. But wouldnt a natural anabolic increase MPS sufficient enough to warrant the protein intake and/or increase the threshold for how much leucine I can consume before the point of diminishing returns?

I'll be upping the carb intake gradually to establish my threshold on Load and Vector .

 

[The Solution]

Prioritising fruit, so about half of my carbs are fructose. On a sidenote, do GDAs work with fructose or only once it's been converted to glucose ?

I'm hitting roughly 60g of protein per meal, x 4 meals = 240g give or take 20g. But wouldnt a natural anabolic increase MPS sufficient enough to warrant the protein intake and/or increase the threshold for how much leucine I can consume before the point of diminishing returns?

I'll be upping the carb intake gradually to establish my threshold on Load and Vector .

Why is the majority of your intake fruit? Sure it has micronutrients but the body can only store so much fructose in the liver. Its better to allocate your carb sources and use multiple sources not just primarily fruit. Don't get me wrong berries have some great benefits and antioxident aspects, but that should not be the bulk of your carb intake. Potatoes and other sources do have some merit and valuable vitamins/minerals you can get. Also potatoes have potassium which help balance a sodium/potassium ratio which can prevent cramping.

Again that is my 2 cents, but I would not have fruit be 60% of my carb intake regardless of what my goal is. If you enjoy it and it works for you by all means continue as you please.

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if you want to keep protein that high I would opt for another meal to spread out protein intake evenly instead of at 60g per meal

some good cliffs:

1. Muscle protein synthesis is an anabolic response that occurs in response to protein feeding and resistance training. On the protein front, it specifically relates to leucine intake. To maximize the MPS response, ~2.5g of leucine is required. This is known as the “leucine threshold”.
2. To maximize the muscle protein synthesis response over the course of a day, it seems that 3–4 evenly spaced meals that surpass the leucine threshold is a prudent strategy.
3. A meal containing 0.4 grams of protein per kilogram of bodyweight (g/kg BW) from a high-quality protein source will allow an individual to hit the leucine threshold. For most people this is somewhere between 20–40g.
4. When MPS is “spiked” in response to a protein feeding, it will drop back to baseline within 2–3 hours. This drop will occur regardless of whether protein or amino acids continue to be fed and leucine remains high. This is potentially due to high demand of ATP required by cells for MPS (i.e. MPS is an energy-expensive process and the cell will stop MPS to conserve energy).
5. Of all the macronutrients, it seems that timing and distribution (versus simply total daily intake) is most important when it comes to protein.

 

[ValiantThor08]

@3clipseGT @LeanEngineer @soxbsbll05 welcome to the thread!

@soxbsbll05 Thanks mate !

Substitute protein for carbs? NEVER haha. Though I will start upping my carbs incrementally till I figure out my threshold on this stack, I'm only on Day 2 right now so we have time



No known or hereditary issues, though I must admit I haven't had bloods done in a while.



True, very true. But does cholesterol intake have an effect on MPS or blood glucose? Considering T is sythesized from cholesterol and LDL apparently contributes to MPS ..

I wouldn't worry about dietary cholesterol. It is necessary for optimal hormone production.

 

[ValiantThor08]

@3clipseGT @LeanEngineer @soxbsbll05 welcome to the thread!

@soxbsbll05 Thanks mate !

Substitute protein for carbs? NEVER haha. Though I will start upping my carbs incrementally till I figure out my threshold on this stack, I'm only on Day 2 right now so we have time



No known or hereditary issues, though I must admit I haven't had bloods done in a while.



True, very true. But does cholesterol intake have an effect on MPS or blood glucose? Considering T is sythesized from cholesterol and LDL apparently contributes to MPS ..

I would not worry about cholesterol intake as it is optimal for hormone production

 

[love2liftkat]

I’m in! Will you be posting progress pics? Congrats on the upcoming wedding! That’s exciting!!

 

[Harishusain]

Why is the majority of your intake fruit? Sure it has micronutrients but the body can only store so much fructose in the liver. Its better to allocate your carb sources and use multiple sources not just primarily fruit. Don't get me wrong berries have some great benefits and antioxident aspects, but that should not be the bulk of your carb intake. Potatoes and other sources do have some merit and valuable vitamins/minerals you can get. Also potatoes have potassium which help balance a sodium/potassium ratio which can prevent cramping.

Again that is my 2 cents, but I would not have fruit be 60% of my carb intake regardless of what my goal is. If you enjoy it and it works for you by all means continue as you please.

Researchers Point to the Optimal Protein Dose, Timing & Distribution to Maximize Muscle

We know protein is important for muscle repair, recovery and growth. And plenty of research has shown that many individuals would benefit…

medium.com

Optimal Protein Intake And Meal Frequency To Support Maximal Protein …

Layne Norton's presentation from the 2008 International Society for Sports Nutrition symposium.

www.slideshare.net

Optimal protein intake to maximize muscle protein synthesis

Free essays, homework help, flashcards, research papers, book reports, term papers, history, science, politics

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Leucine Regulates Translation Initiation of Protein Synthesis in Skeletal Muscle after Exercise

Abstract. High-performance physical activity and postexercise recovery lead to significant changes in amino acid and protein metabolism in skeletal muscle. Cen

academic.oup.com

if you want to keep protein that high I would opt for another meal to spread out protein intake evenly instead of at 60g per meal

some good cliffs:

1. Muscle protein synthesis is an anabolic response that occurs in response to protein feeding and resistance training. On the protein front, it specifically relates to leucine intake. To maximize the MPS response, ~2.5g of leucine is required. This is known as the “leucine threshold”.
2. To maximize the muscle protein synthesis response over the course of a day, it seems that 3–4 evenly spaced meals that surpass the leucine threshold is a prudent strategy.
3. A meal containing 0.4 grams of protein per kilogram of bodyweight (g/kg BW) from a high-quality protein source will allow an individual to hit the leucine threshold. For most people this is somewhere between 20–40g.
4. When MPS is “spiked” in response to a protein feeding, it will drop back to baseline within 2–3 hours. This drop will occur regardless of whether protein or amino acids continue to be fed and leucine remains high. This is potentially due to high demand of ATP required by cells for MPS (i.e. MPS is an energy-expensive process and the cell will stop MPS to conserve energy).
5. Of all the macronutrients, it seems that timing and distribution (versus simply total daily intake) is most important when it comes to protein.

Solid advice bro, much appreciated. I've been over the literature before as well, as you mentioned in the cliffs "it seems that 3–4 evenly spaced meals that surpass the leucine threshold is a prudent strategy", so assuming around 40g of a protein source meets the threshold requisite for leucine, and assuming less but bigger feedings in a day effect more MPS than 5-6 feedings a day, I opted for 60g x 4 meals. Based on your advice, I'll try 50g x 5

 

[Harishusain]

I’m in! Will you be posting progress pics? Congrats on the upcoming wedding! That’s exciting!!

Thank you! Exciting and absolutely horrifying all in one, so much to be done !
Yes, I'll be posting starting photos alongside Week 4 progress photos.

 

[Harishusain]

Day 2 -

Dosed Load 3/3, thirty min before breakfast and before lunch. Still no hypo issues, does that mean I'm insulin sensitive?
3/3 seems to work better for me, pump was better today, I think that's attributable to Core Load and the rice I threw in with lunch (as opposed to just chicken breast and fruit yesterday)

Vector was dosed 3/3 , 30 min pre workout and pre-bed, today was predominantly arms day. Could manage 5-10lb more weight on all my sets, wondering if such acute responses to Vector have been noted before or if it's simply a mix of factors (i.e. last week being a deload week and of course factoring in Core Load) @brundel ? No stomach discomfort taking the second dose on an empty stomach today, so it's safe to assume Vector wasn't the culprit yesterday.

Upped carbs today, attaching my macros. Missed my Post workout shake unfortunately so protein was lower than I was hoping, but life is full of little upsets like that. Won't miss it tomorrow

 

[3clipseGT]

Day 2 -

Dosed Load 3/3, thirty min before breakfast and before lunch. Still no hypo issues, does that mean I'm insulin sensitive?
3/3 seems to work better for me, pump was better today, I think that's attributable to Core Load and the rice I threw in with lunch (as opposed to just chicken breast and fruit yesterday)

Vector was dosed 3/3 , 30 min pre workout and pre-bed, today was predominantly arms day. Could manage 5-10lb more weight on all my sets, wondering if such acute responses to Vector have been noted before or if it's simply a mix of factors (i.e. last week being a deload week and of course factoring in Core Load) @brundel ? No stomach discomfort taking the second dose on an empty stomach today, so it's safe to assume Vector wasn't the culprit yesterday.

Upped carbs today, attaching my macros. Missed my Post workout shake unfortunately so protein was lower than I was hoping, but life is full of little upsets like that. Won't miss it tomorrow

Being that it’s so soon id say it can be attributed to the weeks prior deload. Deloads are extremely important and are critical in continuing to move progress forward. If it was a week and a half or two weeks in then that would be different.

Keep getting after it!

 

[Harishusain]

Day 3 -

Same dosing protocol as yesterday. Stoppanis programme has we working most muscles every day with the focus group differing from day to day. Today's leg pump was good but not up to par with what I've experienced on the other muscle groups (to contrast, two sets of chest in the same workout induced a pretty nice pec pump). Seems like I need to bump up the rice/potato intake prior to a leg workout to feel the same kind I feel on other days.

On a sidenote, three caps of load before lunch makes me need to UNload a solid dump right after. TMI maybe but would that be attributed to better digestion ?

 

[ValiantThor08]

Day 3 -

Same dosing protocol as yesterday. Stoppanis programme has we working most muscles every day with the focus group differing from day to day. Today's leg pump was good but not up to par with what I've experienced on the other muscle groups (to contrast, two sets of chest in the same workout induced a pretty nice pec pump). Seems like I need to bump up the rice/potato intake prior to a leg workout to feel the same kind I feel on other days.

On a sidenote, three caps of load before lunch makes me need to UNload a solid dump right after. TMI maybe but would that be attributed to better digestion ?

Could be attributed to food going right through you.

 

[Harishusain]

Being that it’s so soon id say it can be attributed to the weeks prior deload. Deloads are extremely important and are critical in continuing to move progress forward. If it was a week and a half or two weeks in then that would be different.

Keep getting after it!

Fair point. I've never seen value in a deload week before but I'm glad I took one.

Could be attributed to food going right through you.

Accelerated nutrient uptake ?

 

[ValiantThor08]

Fair point. I've never seen value in a deload week before but I'm glad I took one.



Accelerated nutrient uptake ?

Is 1 full serving 3 caps? Or is that 3 full servings all at once? If it is 3 full servings, then you may not be digesting some food properly and efficiently. If 1 serving is 1 cap, I would stick to 1 cap per high carb meal.

 

[Resolve10]

Berberine effects gut microbiome.

Have you used Berberine before?

While not a huge dose, 3 caps does provide a pretty good amount so it could be due to that. This is why too large of doses too quick can cause negative issues in some people. I wouldn’t worry if it doesn’t bother you right now as it should only get better and should be providing positive health benefits to the gut over time.

 

[LeanEngineer]

Agreed with the above. I would say give it a few days and it will get better as you get to use to the dosage.

 

[love2liftkat]

Thank you! Exciting and absolutely horrifying all in one, so much to be done !
Yes, I'll be posting starting photos alongside Week 4 progress photos.

Most definitely! It’s crazy...just remember to do your best to enjoy the process and know things are not going to go as expected. Too many people expect perfection and stress out over the little things that go “wrong”, which in the end don’t really matter.

Sounds like things are going well so far. Within the next few weeks you’ll get to seeing the good stuff and past the odd stomach adjustments. Remind me again are you taking 3 capsules twice a day? You can also switch it to 2 capsules 3x’s a day if it does bother your stomach.

 

[love2liftkat]

Thank you! Exciting and absolutely horrifying all in one, so much to be done !
Yes, I'll be posting starting photos alongside Week 4 progress photos.

Most definitely! It’s crazy...just remember to do your best to enjoy the process and know things are not going to go as expected. Too many people expect perfection and stress out over the little things that go “wrong”, which in the end don’t really matter.

Sounds like things are going well so far. Within the next few weeks you’ll get to seeing the good stuff and past the odd stomach adjustments. Remind me again are you taking 3 capsules twice a day? You can also switch it to 2 capsules 3x’s a day if it does bother your stomach.

 

[Harishusain]

Is 1 full serving 3 caps? Or is that 3 full servings all at once? If it is 3 full servings, then you may not be digesting some food properly and efficiently. If 1 serving is 1 cap, I would stick to 1 cap per high carb meal.

A full serving is 6 caps, yielding 1000mg Chlorogenic Acid, 250mg Gymnemic Acid, 750mg Berberine, and 25mg Corsolic Acid. I break this up into 3/3 with meals.

Berberine effects gut microbiome.

Have you used Berberine before?

While not a huge dose, 3 caps does provide a pretty good amount so it could be due to that. This is why too large of doses too quick can cause negative issues in some people. I wouldn’t worry if it doesn’t bother you right now as it should only get better and should be providing positive health benefits to the gut over time.

Most definitely! It’s crazy...just remember to do your best to enjoy the process and know things are not going to go as expected. Too many people expect perfection and stress out over the little things that go “wrong”, which in the end don’t really matter.

Sounds like things are going well so far. Within the next few weeks you’ll get to seeing the good stuff and past the odd stomach adjustments. Remind me again are you taking 3 capsules twice a day? You can also switch it to 2 capsules 3x’s a day if it does bother your stomach.

First time on Berberine actually. Doesn't bother me as such but I felt it was worth mentioning as it has been a consistent feature this week. Would I be better off dropping to 2/2/2? I feel like the nutrient uptake is more notable on 3/3 (feeling slightly fuller and better pumps in the gym).

@love2liftkat very true, but when she's stressed it's hard not to be stressed with her, she makes sure of that

 

[ValiantThor08]

A full serving is 6 caps, yielding 1000mg Chlorogenic Acid, 250mg Gymnemic Acid, 750mg Berberine, and 25mg Corsolic Acid. I break this up into 3/3 with meals.





First time on Berberine actually. Doesn't bother me as such but I felt it was worth mentioning as it has been a consistent feature this week. Would I be better off dropping to 2/2/2? I feel like the nutrient uptake is more notable on 3/3 (feeling slightly fuller and better pumps in the gym).

@love2liftkat very true, but when she's stressed it's hard not to be stressed with her, she makes sure of that

Gotcha. You will adjust to the 3/3 dosing then if you continue.

 

[Resolve10]

I’d continue 3/3 if it’s just making you “regular” but nothing discomforting. Again it should improve anyways.

 

[LeanEngineer]

^ I'd agree with the above. Just keep on the 3/3 schedule and see if it improves.

 

[love2liftkat]

First time on Berberine actually. Doesn't bother me as such but I felt it was worth mentioning as it has been a consistent feature this week. Would I be better off dropping to 2/2/2? I feel like the nutrient uptake is more notable on 3/3 (feeling slightly fuller and better pumps in the gym).

@love2liftkat very true, but when she's stressed it's hard not to be stressed with her, she makes sure of that

Lol- that’s understandable. Just try to remind her too. Brides are usually the worst about stressing. I was lucky that mine was super simple so very little to stress over! I have made several wedding cakes though, so I’ve seen how crazy it can get! Haha ...You’ll look back and laugh at all the stress.

I agree with @Resolve10. Just stick with the 3/3 since it’s not bothering you. Definitely good to mention things -it really helps others know what to expect!

 

[Harishusain]

Sorry guys, had a busy end of the week.

Day 4 - Macros were 40% P / 28% C / 32% F
Chest/Back focus group. Good pump and strength staying consistent with Mondays session.

Day 5 - Macros stayed about the same, got in a bad ass workout today, swapped out most of the fruit for oats and potatoes so my sugar intake has dropped (I did make the mistake of underestimating how calorie dense honey is though, not again haha).

Had a few drinks tonight with the lads as I do a couple times a month. Lucky me I'm writing this with no hangover whatsoever (not attributing this to Vector though I just never get hung over, period lol). Out of curiosity, would alcohol blunt the physiological effects of Vector in any way? It would still have been in my system when I took my last dose pre bed.

More interestingly though, I usually come home crash out and next thing I know its morning; but since I've started dosing Vector before bed, I've been having the most vivid dreams. I'm going to go out on a limb and say this might have something to do with a deeper REM cycle ? Or does Vector stimulate neural pathways in some way ?

 

[Harishusain]

I’d continue 3/3 if it’s just making you “regular” but nothing discomforting. Again it should improve anyways.

Lol- that’s understandable. Just try to remind her too. Brides are usually the worst about stressing. I was lucky that mine was super simple so very little to stress over! I have made several wedding cakes though, so I’ve seen how crazy it can get! Haha ...You’ll look back and laugh at all the stress.

I agree with @Resolve10. Just stick with the 3/3 since it’s not bothering you. Definitely good to mention things -it really helps others know what to expect!

Yeah if it had been anything like the SuperDump shits I would have thought twice about when and where to dose haha . It is just more regular and no discomfort to be reported.

@love2liftkat I'm sure we will (look back and laugh that is), for now though laughing is off the table

 

[ValiantThor08]

Any update brotha?

 

[Harishusain]

Hi guys. Sorry for going radio silent ! Gym was shut Sunday to Wednesday so I missed half of my workouts this week. Made up for it by doing all the work from Mondays session as well today, with double the tabata, will do the same for the next two as well.

Macro intake has stayed steady at 200+ P / 200 C / 100 F more or less. Bumped up to 2800 cals this week. Will keep bumping them up every week to establish a threshold. Despite not going to the gym still feel fuller and waist feels slightly tighter as well, not a huge visual difference but enough for me to notice.

Ran a little experiment with the pre bed Vector serving. Slept without it, no dreams , woke up three hours later and took 3 caps... viola, dreams ! They've pretty much exclusively involved some sort of adrenaline rush like chasing someone/thing or being chased etc. I remember someone else mentioning something quite similar on the Vector pre release thread. Would love to know more on how Vector is effecting this.

 

[Ptlhains]

Let's get it! I like 4 Vector pre-workout with 2 later - just sayin

 

[3clipseGT]

Hi guys. Sorry for going radio silent ! Gym was shut Sunday to Wednesday so I missed half of my workouts this week. Made up for it by doing all the work from Mondays session today with double the tabata, will do the same for the next two as well.

Macro intake has stayed steady at 200+ P / 200 C / 100 F more or less. Bumped up to 2800 cals this week. Will keep bumping them up every week to establish a threshold. Despite not going to the gym still feel fuller and waist feels slightly tighter as well, not a huge visual difference but enough for me to notice.

Ran a little experiment with the pre bed Vector serving. Slept without it, no dreams , woke up three hours later and took 3 caps... viola, dreams ! They've pretty much exclusively involved some sort of adrenaline rush like chasing someone/thing or being chased etc. I remember someone else mentioning something quite similar on the Vector pre release thread. Would love to know more on how Vector is effecting this.

Mic check how do you hear! We got you loud and clear!

Way to get after it brother. I don’t remember any dreams for me when I ran vector tbh.

 

[Harishusain]

Let's get it! I like 4 Vector pre-workout with 2 later - just sayin

What difference do you experience at 4/2 ? Might try that in a couple weeks.

 

[Ptlhains]

What difference do you experience at 4/2 ? Might try that in a couple weeks.

Been running Vector a long and tried multiple dosings. Maybe its in my head, but I feel I have a better all around workout dosing 4/2. On non workout days, I dose 3/3. Never found 2/2/2 any more effective than the convenience of 3/3. If you try it, let me know what you think!

 

[ValiantThor08]

Been running Vector a long and tried multiple dosings. Maybe its in my head, but I feel I have a better all around workout dosing 4/2. On non workout days, I dose 3/3. Never found 2/2/2 any more effective than the convenience of 3/3. If you try it, let me know what you think!

I'm going to run Vector, at 6/3/3, so interested to see what that would do.

 

[Ptlhains]

I'm going to run Vector, at 6/3/3, so interested to see what that would do.

Never ran more than 6 caps a day - just out of cost. Interested in hearing your results though - I don't see why more is not better.

 

[ValiantThor08]

Never ran more than 6 caps a day - just out of cost. Interested in hearing your results though - I don't see why more is not better.

That's my thought.

 

[Harishusain]

I'm going to run Vector, at 6/3/3, so interested to see what that would do.

Sponsor me and I'll run it at 6/6/6

 

[Harishusain]

Day 12. Clubbed the Tuesday and Thursday workouts into one today, I think I'm starting to notice the effects of vector on my stamina. Felt like I still had half a tank left after all those super sets, ended up doing double the tabata and a little LISS just for the hell of it.

Second time in two days someone told me I'm looking "hella big" since they last saw me (a week and three weeks ago, respectively lol) . Might just be the GDA in full swing now, but I'm secretly hoping it's partly that Vector magic I never felt on my last run . Calories going up to 2900 next week. This is going to be an interesting 12 weeks .

 

[Harishusain]

Day 13 -

Man today was just not my day. Had a ton of things to do, only managed to get half an hour in the gym. To top it off as soon as I put some real weight on the bar for my first exercise, squats, my right knee started hurting. This has happened a couple times now and usually resting a few days makes it better, but when it hurts.. it HURTS. Tried stripping the weight down a bit but my knee was a no-go. Kinda put me off for the rest of the workout but I decided to power through with deads, stiff leg deads, leg extension/curls, and abs. Didn't get a whole lot done but I managed to get in some good weight and form on what I did do.

I have no prior history of knee pain, or any joint pain other than a bout of tennis elbow and torn ligaments a few years ago, think the knee pain stems from the way I get into the car. (Right hand drive, in case you Americans are wondering WTF lol). Whip sits a little low so I usually have to pivot, putting weight on my right as I get in. Making a conscious effort to not put undue pressure on it now. Had a few drinks in the evening with friends, nothing too crazy.

In other news, pants I havent worn in around 10 days feel and look visibly looser around the waist.

Day 14 -

Rest day. Didn't track macros but my eating habits are more or less the same on rest days. If anything I was under my usual macro goals (don't tend to eat a lot after a night of drinking). More vivid dreams. Onward to Week 3!