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1g caffeine does nothing for you? That's intense. I'm afraid of 400mg or more in a pre workout. Have you tried stacking Teacrine with caffeine? It's a great synergistic stimulant stack.
I'm sure it does on a systemic level, I just don't seem to "feel" it working. So I don't bother with my caffeine intake much. Never experienced jitters or crash even on that dose.

Considering a low dose ECY stack (caffeine and yohimbine coming from the Red capsule Hydroxy) for the remaining 8 weeks. But wondering if it would give me a significant enough boost in my recomp to be worth it ?
 
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I'm sure it does on a systemic level, I just don't seem to "feel" it working. So I don't bother with my caffeine intake much. Never experienced jitters or crash even on that dose.

Considering a low dose ECY stack (caffeine and yohimbine coming from the Red capsule Hydroxy) for the remaining 8 weeks. But wondering if it would give me a significant enough boost in my recomp to be worth it ?
Ephedra and yohimbe when taken on an empty stomach would aid in your recomp.
 
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I see nothing wrong with adding an EC stack to the mix to finish out the recomp. From my experience with vector- I prefer it for a bulk. It’s do-able for a recomp but it just increases my hunger. Haha Folli and letrone are more what I think of when I think of recomp.
 
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Good to have you back on the thread !


100 grams total doesn't sound like a lot, are you going low carb? Wouldn't it be better to up the carbs and take full advantage of the berberine?

Figuring it out as I move forward in this run. Recomp was not progressing the way I would like it to so I took The Solution's advice and swapped out a significant amount of fat for more carbs. Fingers crossed that that does the trick. Then I just need to figure out the best way to schedule them, a little trial and error over the next few weeks and we should be moving full steam ahead!

Currently pushing 80-100g Carbs for breakfast, lunch and PWO meal each. If I'm not satisfied with composition progress in the next couple weeks I'll try 125-150g pre and post workout and get in the remaining 50 or so grams in breakfast or dinner.

Decided not to bump calories for a couple of weeks (Been bumping up 100 calories every week) till I've sorted out my macro ratios and more importantly, timing. Don't need another variable skewing things right now.
At the time I was cutting. I generally do well with lower carbs overall. I had originally started my cut at about 220 grams of carbs and worked them down over several months.

With your situation though I would definitely do as you have done and as Solution has recommended.

The biggest thing I find for me is to document what I am doing, how I look in the mirror, how I feel and how the gym is. These are my staple questions I ask myself when trying something new whether its with diet, cardio, a supplement or training schedule etc. I also don’t change more than 1 variable at a time so that way I can assess what it’s doing.

With the bloating, it could definitely be the fiber and extra carbs or it could be the Vector. Id adjust your fiber down a bit and see. With the added carbs it very well be causing some extra bloat as well. Have you utilized any enzymes formula before? Those could help and I have noticed they help me whenever I up the food.
 
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My recomp so far has been up and down. Looked in the mirror today, definitely a feel good day. I feel like there have been a lot of days I'll wake up and not be satisfied with what I see though since starting this log. Maybe it's a psychological thing but I feel like I'm visibly worse than the day before some days.
Recomps seem to be that way for some. It’s definitely that way for me. Some days I feel and look lean, other days I threaten to quit going to the gym haha. Bodybuilding is extremely psychological and can definitely play games with your mind.

Keep at it brother you are doing great!
 
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Ephedra and yohimbe when taken on an empty stomach would aid in your recomp.
What do you guys recommend in terms of effectiveness (haven't run ECA before, but considering I tolerate stims well), Ephedrine Sulfate or HCL ? I understand there's a difference in molecular weight so roughly 16mg HCL = 25mg Sulfate (complete guestimate) ?

From what I've read I guess I'll thrown in the aspirin, no harm in it unless it interacts with yohimbine negatively? But is there any real research to support its role in liposis?

And lastly, any dosing suggestions ?
 
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What do you guys recommend in terms of effectiveness (haven't run ECA before, but considering I tolerate stims well), Ephedrine Sulfate or HCL ? I understand there's a difference in molecular weight so roughly 16mg HCL = 25mg Sulfate (complete guestimate) ?

From what I've read I guess I'll thrown in the aspirin, no harm in it unless it interacts with yohimbine negatively? But is there any real research to support its role in liposis?

And lastly, any dosing suggestions ?
Yohimbine HCL
First thing upon waking start at 2.5mg and work up to .2mg/kg over time
Best way to dose, and avoid anything that could cause an insulin spike (Food, BCAA etc) when taken upon waking for fasted cardio.

My 2 Cents with Y
 
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Yohimbine HCL
First thing upon waking start at 2.5mg and work up to .2mg/kg over time
Best way to dose, and avoid anything that could cause an insulin spike (Food, BCAA etc) when taken upon waking for fasted cardio.

My 2 Cents with Y
Thanks! And yes, that's exactly what I'll be doing, I tolerate Yohimbine well, just makes me sweat a lot in the heat. But I was thinking 2 caps for the first two days with ECA then up to the full 4 onwards (Hydroxycut red caps).

Would love your input on ECA as well whenever you have the time :)
 
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Recomps seem to be that way for some. It’s definitely that way for me. Some days I feel and look lean, other days I threaten to quit going to the gym haha. Bodybuilding is extremely psychological and can definitely play games with your mind.

Keep at it brother you are doing great!
Loving the support bro, cheers ! A mate I haven't seen in the gym for a few weeks met me today, thinks I've gained a significant amount without putting on fat. I actually feel like I've lost some fat but I'll still take the compliment as a win. Hah.
 
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Thanks! And yes, that's exactly what I'll be doing, I tolerate Yohimbine well, just makes me sweat a lot in the heat. But I was thinking 2 caps for the first two days with ECA then up to the full 4 onwards (Hydroxycut red caps).

Would love your input on ECA as well whenever you have the time :)
I only use Y When I diet. Works a charm for me. If I do feel like adding anything else it is 50-100mg Forskolin 95
Besides that I let the deficit do the work. Call me simple, but it works.
 
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Loving the support bro, cheers ! A mate I haven't seen in the gym for a few weeks met me today, thinks I've gained a significant amount without putting on fat. I actually feel like I've lost some fat but I'll still take the compliment as a win. Hah.
That’s definitely a win! Loving the log brother and glad to hear things are going so well.
 
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I only use Y When I diet. Works a charm for me. If I do feel like adding anything else it is 50-100mg Forskolin 95
Besides that I let the deficit do the work. Call me simple, but it works.
I wish I could use Y but my reactions to it aren’t good. Forskolin 95 is awesome though.
 
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I wish I could use Y but my reactions to it aren’t good. Forskolin 95 is awesome though.
Same here! I’m usually on the toilet shortly after I take it haha
 
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I wish I could use Y but my reactions to it aren’t good. Forskolin 95 is awesome though.
Some Y I can take, some Y I can't take. I remember I tried a pre workout sample with Y in it, maybe alpha y, and the worse anxiety, cold sweats, and increased heart rate came over me. Then there is Y in full blitz, and I can handle that.
 
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Some Y I can take, some Y I can't take. I remember I tried a pre workout sample with Y in it, maybe alpha y, and the worse anxiety, cold sweats, and increased heart rate came over me. Then there is Y in full blitz, and I can handle that.
DMAA smooths out the formula. That is why so many people who are scared of Y we offer sample packs to give them a shot before purchasing. They keep coming back after trying them :)
 
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I’d be willing to bet a lot of it is the quality of raws used. I don’t think some companies use quality Y (both HCL or AY) and that is why some people have issues (although regardless of quality some will have issues anyways).
 
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Same here! I’m usually on the toilet shortly after I take it haha
Man why'd you put that possibility in my head. I've run Y multiple times without any stomach issues. First day back on it and I'm in the toilet half an hour later now haha.
 
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Day 29 -

Ok now these two months are where I'm expecting to see some real change. I'm taking Load and Vector the same way for now. Have 3 caps of Vector leftover, fell asleep and missed a dose, so I'm going to do 4/3 today and 5/3 tomorrow to see if more is better pre workout for me.

Jumped straight into the full serving of Hydroxy this morning. The sweats are real. Took it at 8.30, took Load at 10 and breakfast by 10.30. Trying to give it time to work its magic on an empty stomach and away from meals as much as possible.

Started Shortcut to Shred today, same weights felt much lighter than the first week. Endurance especially with the cardio acceleration (60 seconds all out tabata style essentially) between all the sets was surprisingly good. Between Load and Vector this engine has enough air and fuel to keep going with no/minimal rest (talking 15-20 seconds max) jumping between working sets and cardio acceleration. In terms of performance these two are definitely delivering.
 
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Can't get Ephedrine from local pharma due to a recent drug crackdown. Will have to ask around. Considering just dosing one 25/30mg E preworkout with Hydroxy for the first week to get a proper feel of it, will bump it to two servings from the next week, and two 1.5 servings moving forward (unless there's any real advantage to dosing it thrice over increasing dose size?)
 
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I don’t see any need in tripling the dose. Probably best be safe and just let it do it’s work. How many weeks will you be on both?
 
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Forgot to mention, something interesting happened today. I took one full serving (2 caps) of Hydroxy and then, two hours later, 3 caps of Load before breakfast , which I have when I get to work. Had my food and when I got up after an hour or so my hamstrings were pumped. Full on pumped.

The only thing which has changed in nearly 30 days was adding in the Hydroxy, it does bring an extra 360mg Chlorogenic acid to the table (per daily two full servings), which is known to illicit GDA effects in bigger doses; 1g and up.

Core Load yields 1g itself. Could be something to do with the bump in dose causing a food pump. Not complaining. 👍🏼
 
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I don’t see any need in tripling the dose. Probably best be safe and just let it do it’s work. How many weeks will you be on both?
8 weeks for both. Hydroxy recommends a break after that long anyway. On the other hand with E, I'll decide as I get closer to the end.
 
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Man why'd you put that possibility in my head. I've run Y multiple times without any stomach issues. First day back on it and I'm in the toilet half an hour later now haha.
Does it to me everytime :)
 
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Sorry about the radio silence guys.

Workouts so far have consistently been better. Weights are either up or feel lighter, still banging out cardio between every set; endurance is holding up well. Made a couple tweaks with my diet, definitely feel a visible difference in size all over but recomp was staggering, so I've dropped my calories back down to 2700, total carbs usually around 250g; pre and post carbs are at 80 a piece, with the remaining coming from breakfast and dinner. I feel like anything between 80-100g carbs is my sweet spot pre workout. Fat is at 60-75g a day, I don't see myself taking it much lower than that except for maybe the last four weeks where I might go down to 40-50g to see how I respond to it. Thoughts ?

As with the supps. Dosing Vector at 4/2 and Load 4/2 as well. Hydroxycut is still 2/2.
 
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I don't get the reasoning for shifting your caloric intake so much all the time.
It seems like you just want to try this, then try that, then do something else... Where is the consistency?

Dropping fat that low (if you know your carb sweet spot) makes 0 sense.
Stick to your plan. Run the product, and see how the products shine in your controlled environment. If you continually change training and nutrition you will have no idea how effective vector or load truly is.
 
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I don't get the reasoning for shifting your caloric intake so much all the time.
It seems like you just want to try this, then try that, then do something else... Where is the consistency?

Dropping fat that low (if you know your carb sweet spot) makes 0 sense.
Stick to your plan. Run the product, and see how the products shine in your controlled environment. If you continually change training and nutrition you will have no idea how effective vector or load truly is.
The first three weeks I started Vector I went up 100 calories a week to determine a threshold , a sweet spot . At 2900 I feel like I stopped recomping which is why I intend to keep it at 2700 consistently this month and only change if I hit a wall. In that case I was wondering what the preferable way to approach it would be, I.e. what to cut out then.
 
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The first three weeks I started Vector I went up 100 calories a week to determine a threshold , a sweet spot . At 2900 I feel like I stopped recomping which is why I intend to keep it at 2700 consistently this month and only change if I hit a wall. In that case I was wondering what the preferable way to approach it would be, I.e. what to cut out then.
Stay the course with calories, use the supplements, take notes on what you get out of them.
This lets you know how effective they are
If you constantly change nutrition and trianing you are playing a guessing game on how the "Supplements" truly "Supplement" Your diet and trianing.
 
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Still rolling with ya! How are the pumps lately?
 
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Have you been taking any photos or measurements to help gauge your progress?
 
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Have you been taking any photos or measurements to help gauge your progress?
I took some last week but my camera and the lighting (in the same place as starting pictures) just doesn't seem to do my progress justice. I'll hold on to them for now and probably post everything at the end of the log. I'll also probably post some in better lighting just to feel better about myself lol!

The gains are real though, my arms, shoulders, chest, back.. everything really, feels bigger, denser and even a little harder. In fact my arm measurement was up from 16.4 inches to 16.9 by the end of Week 5, that is HUGE progress. BUT, how much of that I'll keep when I stop using Core Load will determine how much of that is muscle and how much is just shuttled carbs I guess.

Recomping is coming along nicely as well. In addition to looking bigger and fuller, I'm starting to see more definition all over. Tummy is tightening up too and abs are starting to resurface. The Yohimbine was just what I needed to kick things into gear. Cals are between 2700-2800 consistently, though there will be the odd day when I fall short or spill over, I'm only human ! :) Despite that, I don't seem to have lost any muscle so far, and while some of that has to be attributed to the modifications to my nutrition (thank you everyone, particularly The Solution, for stellar advice), I have no doubt that this is Vector at work.

Still rolling with ya! How are the pumps lately?
Pumps are good, not exactly skin splitting but decent. I also stay pumped and fuller for longer after my workouts. I feel like I just don't get "those" kinds of pumps without stims. Still need to try salt pre-workout like @ValiantThor08 suggested though, Keep forgetting to pack my salt shaker lol !
 
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In other news, is it possible that 10g of BCAAs just doesn't illicit enough of an insulin spike to blunt the effects of Yohimbine for me? Albiet I've cut down on how much I consume when I'm on Yohimbine and delay it as far into my workout as I can, but even last time I ran Y I was chugging the stuff and still felt it at work, always drenched in sweat when I'm on Y (looks like I have a lot of Alpha Receptors working against me). It also feels like it takes longer for Y to work itself out of my system, last time I came off an 8 week run it took a good ten days for me to stop sweating like a pig every time I did anything physical.

One thing I like to do, and I don't recommend this to people who are sensitive to stims, but I wake up 2 hours before I need to be up sometimes, pop two Hydroxycut caps and go right back to sleep. Since I can't get in morning cardio, I feel like this definitely accelerates fat loss from my midsection.


Another thing I feel I should mention, TMI but full disclosure. My "loads" have become thicker and more.. voluminous. Have not changed anything that would affect my sex hormones, so I'm guessing this is also attributable to Vector?
 
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Looks like Ephedrine is a no-go. Even reached out to some of my doctor friends with no luck. So my next best option is Albuterol, stacked with caffeine and yohimbine. Citing a study below that shows that when combined with caffeine it has a more pronounced effect, increasing lean tissue and liposis simultaneously.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4551658/

I have a couple questions though. Albuterol peaks plasma levels at around two hours after consumption, would it be more effective to throw the caffeine and Y in then, or ingest everything together? And empty stomach or with food?

The general consensus seems to be that it should be run for about 4 weeks to avoid burning out the receptors. Can this be safely extended to say, 6-8 weeks? Would I need to hit the Benedryl bottle every night to preserve the receptors if I want to run it longer, or would it be fine to just bump up the dose at that point if I feel the effects diminshing? CAN you even burn out your receptors on albuterol, and what happens if you do?

I plan on dosing 2mg/2mg for a couple days, 2/4 after that. Week Two I'll go 4/4 and Three onwards 4/4/4 and I'll play by ear after that and taper back down the same way I started.
 

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