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BLR Vector/Core Nutritionals Load Recomp Log

Ephedra and yohimbe when taken on an empty stomach would aid in your recomp.

What do you guys recommend in terms of effectiveness (haven't run ECA before, but considering I tolerate stims well), Ephedrine Sulfate or HCL ? I understand there's a difference in molecular weight so roughly 16mg HCL = 25mg Sulfate (complete guestimate) ?

From what I've read I guess I'll thrown in the aspirin, no harm in it unless it interacts with yohimbine negatively? But is there any real research to support its role in liposis?

And lastly, any dosing suggestions ?
 
What do you guys recommend in terms of effectiveness (haven't run ECA before, but considering I tolerate stims well), Ephedrine Sulfate or HCL ? I understand there's a difference in molecular weight so roughly 16mg HCL = 25mg Sulfate (complete guestimate) ?

From what I've read I guess I'll thrown in the aspirin, no harm in it unless it interacts with yohimbine negatively? But is there any real research to support its role in liposis?

And lastly, any dosing suggestions ?
Yohimbine HCL
First thing upon waking start at 2.5mg and work up to .2mg/kg over time
Best way to dose, and avoid anything that could cause an insulin spike (Food, BCAA etc) when taken upon waking for fasted cardio.

My 2 Cents with Y
 
Yohimbine HCL
First thing upon waking start at 2.5mg and work up to .2mg/kg over time
Best way to dose, and avoid anything that could cause an insulin spike (Food, BCAA etc) when taken upon waking for fasted cardio.

My 2 Cents with Y

Thanks! And yes, that's exactly what I'll be doing, I tolerate Yohimbine well, just makes me sweat a lot in the heat. But I was thinking 2 caps for the first two days with ECA then up to the full 4 onwards (Hydroxycut red caps).

Would love your input on ECA as well whenever you have the time :)
 
Recomps seem to be that way for some. It’s definitely that way for me. Some days I feel and look lean, other days I threaten to quit going to the gym haha. Bodybuilding is extremely psychological and can definitely play games with your mind.

Keep at it brother you are doing great!

Loving the support bro, cheers ! A mate I haven't seen in the gym for a few weeks met me today, thinks I've gained a significant amount without putting on fat. I actually feel like I've lost some fat but I'll still take the compliment as a win. Hah.
 
Thanks! And yes, that's exactly what I'll be doing, I tolerate Yohimbine well, just makes me sweat a lot in the heat. But I was thinking 2 caps for the first two days with ECA then up to the full 4 onwards (Hydroxycut red caps).

Would love your input on ECA as well whenever you have the time :)
I only use Y When I diet. Works a charm for me. If I do feel like adding anything else it is 50-100mg Forskolin 95
Besides that I let the deficit do the work. Call me simple, but it works.
 
Loving the support bro, cheers ! A mate I haven't seen in the gym for a few weeks met me today, thinks I've gained a significant amount without putting on fat. I actually feel like I've lost some fat but I'll still take the compliment as a win. Hah.

That’s definitely a win! Loving the log brother and glad to hear things are going so well.
 
I only use Y When I diet. Works a charm for me. If I do feel like adding anything else it is 50-100mg Forskolin 95
Besides that I let the deficit do the work. Call me simple, but it works.

I wish I could use Y but my reactions to it aren’t good. Forskolin 95 is awesome though.
 
I wish I could use Y but my reactions to it aren’t good. Forskolin 95 is awesome though.

Same here! I’m usually on the toilet shortly after I take it haha
 
I wish I could use Y but my reactions to it aren’t good. Forskolin 95 is awesome though.
Some Y I can take, some Y I can't take. I remember I tried a pre workout sample with Y in it, maybe alpha y, and the worse anxiety, cold sweats, and increased heart rate came over me. Then there is Y in full blitz, and I can handle that.
 
Some Y I can take, some Y I can't take. I remember I tried a pre workout sample with Y in it, maybe alpha y, and the worse anxiety, cold sweats, and increased heart rate came over me. Then there is Y in full blitz, and I can handle that.
DMAA smooths out the formula. That is why so many people who are scared of Y we offer sample packs to give them a shot before purchasing. They keep coming back after trying them :)
 
Day 29 -

Ok now these two months are where I'm expecting to see some real change. I'm taking Load and Vector the same way for now. Have 3 caps of Vector leftover, fell asleep and missed a dose, so I'm going to do 4/3 today and 5/3 tomorrow to see if more is better pre workout for me.

Jumped straight into the full serving of Hydroxy this morning. The sweats are real. Took it at 8.30, took Load at 10 and breakfast by 10.30. Trying to give it time to work its magic on an empty stomach and away from meals as much as possible.

Started Shortcut to Shred today, same weights felt much lighter than the first week. Endurance especially with the cardio acceleration (60 seconds all out tabata style essentially) between all the sets was surprisingly good. Between Load and Vector this engine has enough air and fuel to keep going with no/minimal rest (talking 15-20 seconds max) jumping between working sets and cardio acceleration. In terms of performance these two are definitely delivering.
 
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Can't get Ephedrine from local pharma due to a recent drug crackdown. Will have to ask around. Considering just dosing one 25/30mg E preworkout with Hydroxy for the first week to get a proper feel of it, will bump it to two servings from the next week, and two 1.5 servings moving forward (unless there's any real advantage to dosing it thrice over increasing dose size?)
 
I don’t see any need in tripling the dose. Probably best be safe and just let it do it’s work. How many weeks will you be on both?
 
All I could find was at the 6 week point. start pic on the left. sorry tried to take the pics in the same place and same distance. I have to blame this one on the wifey!
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Crazy killer triceps.
 
Forgot to mention, something interesting happened today. I took one full serving (2 caps) of Hydroxy and then, two hours later, 3 caps of Load before breakfast , which I have when I get to work. Had my food and when I got up after an hour or so my hamstrings were pumped. Full on pumped.

The only thing which has changed in nearly 30 days was adding in the Hydroxy, it does bring an extra 360mg Chlorogenic acid to the table (per daily two full servings), which is known to illicit GDA effects in bigger doses; 1g and up.

Core Load yields 1g itself. Could be something to do with the bump in dose causing a food pump. Not complaining. 👍🏼
 
I don’t see any need in tripling the dose. Probably best be safe and just let it do it’s work. How many weeks will you be on both?

8 weeks for both. Hydroxy recommends a break after that long anyway. On the other hand with E, I'll decide as I get closer to the end.
 
Man why'd you put that possibility in my head. I've run Y multiple times without any stomach issues. First day back on it and I'm in the toilet half an hour later now haha.

Does it to me everytime :)
 
Sorry about the radio silence guys.

Workouts so far have consistently been better. Weights are either up or feel lighter, still banging out cardio between every set; endurance is holding up well. Made a couple tweaks with my diet, definitely feel a visible difference in size all over but recomp was staggering, so I've dropped my calories back down to 2700, total carbs usually around 250g; pre and post carbs are at 80 a piece, with the remaining coming from breakfast and dinner. I feel like anything between 80-100g carbs is my sweet spot pre workout. Fat is at 60-75g a day, I don't see myself taking it much lower than that except for maybe the last four weeks where I might go down to 40-50g to see how I respond to it. Thoughts ?

As with the supps. Dosing Vector at 4/2 and Load 4/2 as well. Hydroxycut is still 2/2.
 
I don't get the reasoning for shifting your caloric intake so much all the time.
It seems like you just want to try this, then try that, then do something else... Where is the consistency?

Dropping fat that low (if you know your carb sweet spot) makes 0 sense.
Stick to your plan. Run the product, and see how the products shine in your controlled environment. If you continually change training and nutrition you will have no idea how effective vector or load truly is.
 
I don't get the reasoning for shifting your caloric intake so much all the time.
It seems like you just want to try this, then try that, then do something else... Where is the consistency?

Dropping fat that low (if you know your carb sweet spot) makes 0 sense.
Stick to your plan. Run the product, and see how the products shine in your controlled environment. If you continually change training and nutrition you will have no idea how effective vector or load truly is.

The first three weeks I started Vector I went up 100 calories a week to determine a threshold , a sweet spot . At 2900 I feel like I stopped recomping which is why I intend to keep it at 2700 consistently this month and only change if I hit a wall. In that case I was wondering what the preferable way to approach it would be, I.e. what to cut out then.
 
The first three weeks I started Vector I went up 100 calories a week to determine a threshold , a sweet spot . At 2900 I feel like I stopped recomping which is why I intend to keep it at 2700 consistently this month and only change if I hit a wall. In that case I was wondering what the preferable way to approach it would be, I.e. what to cut out then.

Stay the course with calories, use the supplements, take notes on what you get out of them.
This lets you know how effective they are
If you constantly change nutrition and trianing you are playing a guessing game on how the "Supplements" truly "Supplement" Your diet and trianing.
 
Have you been taking any photos or measurements to help gauge your progress?
 
Have you been taking any photos or measurements to help gauge your progress?

I took some last week but my camera and the lighting (in the same place as starting pictures) just doesn't seem to do my progress justice. I'll hold on to them for now and probably post everything at the end of the log. I'll also probably post some in better lighting just to feel better about myself lol!

The gains are real though, my arms, shoulders, chest, back.. everything really, feels bigger, denser and even a little harder. In fact my arm measurement was up from 16.4 inches to 16.9 by the end of Week 5, that is HUGE progress. BUT, how much of that I'll keep when I stop using Core Load will determine how much of that is muscle and how much is just shuttled carbs I guess.

Recomping is coming along nicely as well. In addition to looking bigger and fuller, I'm starting to see more definition all over. Tummy is tightening up too and abs are starting to resurface. The Yohimbine was just what I needed to kick things into gear. Cals are between 2700-2800 consistently, though there will be the odd day when I fall short or spill over, I'm only human ! :) Despite that, I don't seem to have lost any muscle so far, and while some of that has to be attributed to the modifications to my nutrition (thank you everyone, particularly The Solution, for stellar advice), I have no doubt that this is Vector at work.

Still rolling with ya! How are the pumps lately?

Pumps are good, not exactly skin splitting but decent. I also stay pumped and fuller for longer after my workouts. I feel like I just don't get "those" kinds of pumps without stims. Still need to try salt pre-workout like @ValiantThor08 suggested though, Keep forgetting to pack my salt shaker lol !
 
In other news, is it possible that 10g of BCAAs just doesn't illicit enough of an insulin spike to blunt the effects of Yohimbine for me? Albiet I've cut down on how much I consume when I'm on Yohimbine and delay it as far into my workout as I can, but even last time I ran Y I was chugging the stuff and still felt it at work, always drenched in sweat when I'm on Y (looks like I have a lot of Alpha Receptors working against me). It also feels like it takes longer for Y to work itself out of my system, last time I came off an 8 week run it took a good ten days for me to stop sweating like a pig every time I did anything physical.

One thing I like to do, and I don't recommend this to people who are sensitive to stims, but I wake up 2 hours before I need to be up sometimes, pop two Hydroxycut caps and go right back to sleep. Since I can't get in morning cardio, I feel like this definitely accelerates fat loss from my midsection.


Another thing I feel I should mention, TMI but full disclosure. My "loads" have become thicker and more.. voluminous. Have not changed anything that would affect my sex hormones, so I'm guessing this is also attributable to Vector?
 
Looks like Ephedrine is a no-go. Even reached out to some of my doctor friends with no luck. So my next best option is Albuterol, stacked with caffeine and yohimbine. Citing a study below that shows that when combined with caffeine it has a more pronounced effect, increasing lean tissue and liposis simultaneously.

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I have a couple questions though. Albuterol peaks plasma levels at around two hours after consumption, would it be more effective to throw the caffeine and Y in then, or ingest everything together? And empty stomach or with food?

The general consensus seems to be that it should be run for about 4 weeks to avoid burning out the receptors. Can this be safely extended to say, 6-8 weeks? Would I need to hit the Benedryl bottle every night to preserve the receptors if I want to run it longer, or would it be fine to just bump up the dose at that point if I feel the effects diminshing? CAN you even burn out your receptors on albuterol, and what happens if you do?

I plan on dosing 2mg/2mg for a couple days, 2/4 after that. Week Two I'll go 4/4 and Three onwards 4/4/4 and I'll play by ear after that and taper back down the same way I started.
 
My run is nearing it's end now. I won't be rating the supplements on a scale, I feel like the effects and results speak for themselves. Would I recommend them though? Definitely.

Here are some final thoughts:

Core Nutritionals Load:

Dosing:
Daily dose is 6 caps. Personally have no issue throwing a bunch of capsules down the hatch, though I know some people that have trouble swallowing. To be fair though, these caps are packed with ingredients so the alternative would have been bigger caps. I broke them down into 3/3 with my meals leading up to my workout, or 3 with my preworkout meal and 3 with heavier carb meals at night.

Ingredient Profile: Simple, synergistic, effective. No kitchen sink formulas here.

GDA effect: Pleasantly surprised here. This isn't a supplement you "feel" as such. I didn't notice a huge difference taking 6 caps at once or splitting the dose over two meals. Sometimes taking 3 caps before a meal would exacerbate my hunger within 10-15 minutes, or make me feel hungry again an hour or so after my meal. Must have something to do with flushing the glycogen out of my blood and liver? Overall I feel like this has definitely helped manage glucose and probably improved my insulin sensitivity (Speculation, but that is what this supplement sets out to do).

Pumps: Some days the pumps were INTENSE. Other days not so much, but there are dozens of factors that could influence pump quality. One thing I did start to notice after a few weeks though is that my muscles stayed fuller and slightly pumped throughout the day. Definitely recommend splitting the dose for this purpose.

Value: While there may be GDAs out there which contribute to a better pump, Load keeps things simple with high quality extracts and supra-normal dosing. Quality of ingredients/extracts and extract processes trumps ingredient profiles any day. A bit more expensive, but you get what you pay for, right?

Sides: Minor gastro discomfort if you're new to berberine (I was) but it goes away after a week or two. Every now and then though I would need to go to the bathroom quite soon after finishing my meal (with which I dosed Load), felt like the food just went right through me those times (should have named it UN-Load).


BLR Vector:

Dosing:
Same as Load, 6 caps daily, more or less the same size. No perceivable benefit in modifying dosing protocol, Ran it at 2/2/2, 3/3, 2/4, 0/6 (Second dose is PWO). No noticable strength or stamina improvements from higher doses PWO, but someone on here said they prefer 4/2. Could be a mental thing or might not affect me the same way. Try different dosing, see what works for you. Dosing 2/2/2 very well might keep it active in your system for longer, but I don't see it making a difference big enough to even outweigh the convenience of dosing twice daily. Just my 2C.

Ingredient Profile: Again, simple and effective.

Effects: Vector surprised me. Again, it's not really a supplement you "feel". Three weeks into this run though my stamina increased exponentially. Not just stamina, but "power". Feels like I had boundless energy, I could force a "no rest between sets" policy and get through a good 20-30 sets back to back. Felt like I could do twice the volume that I planned for.

Anabolism: Important to mention here again, that I was recomping and eating slightly below maintenance. Despite being in a slight deficit ( <300 Cal deficit most of the time) my measurements are in and I'm quite pleased! I've dropped 3% BF, and put on 2.8 inches on my chest/back measurement, 0.7 inches on biceps, 2.1 on thighs, and 1.8 inches around the shoulders. (All flexed circumference measurements). My calves have grown almost an inch a piece as well, bringing them up to par with my arms (#symmetry). I'm not sure how effective it is during a more aggressive deficit, but I experimented with some IF, carb cycling, low carb (all with bigger deficits) in the last couple of weeks without noticing a drop in quality of workout or recovery. This is not a supplement you need to "feed" to make it work.

Sides: Some pretty wild dreams if you dose before bed. Almost always dreams involving running from or chasing something, and similar reports from a handful of other users. Whatever the dream would be, it would be vivid and feel like my Sympathetic Nervous System had been activated. Having said that though, it's not a real matter of concern, wouldn't make me think twice about dosing before bed.
 
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My run is nearing it's end now. I won't be rating the supplements on a scale, I feel like the effects and results speak for themselves. Would I recommend them though? Definitely.

Here are some final thoughts:

Core Nutritionals Load:

Dosing:
Daily dose is 6 caps. Personally have no issue throwing a bunch of capsules down the hatch, though I know some people that have trouble swallowing. To be fair though, these caps are packed with ingredients so the alternative would have been bigger caps. I broke them down into 3/3 with my meals leading up to my workout, or 3 with my preworkout meal and 3 with heavier carb meals at night.

Ingredient Profile: Simple, synergistic, effective. No kitchen sink formulas here.

GDA effect: Pleasantly surprised here. This isn't a supplement you "feel" as such. I didn't notice a huge difference taking 6 caps at once or splitting the dose over two meals. Sometimes taking 3 caps before a meal would exacerbate my hunger within 10-15 minutes, or make me feel hungry again an hour or so after my meal. Must have something to do with flushing the glycogen out of my blood and liver? Overall I feel like this has definitely helped manage glucose and probably improved my insulin sensitivity (Speculation, but that is what this supplement sets out to do).

Pumps: Some days the pumps were INTENSE. Other days not so much, but there are dozens of factors that could influence pump quality. One thing I did start to notice after a few weeks though is that my muscles stayed fuller and slightly pumped throughout the day. Definitely recommend splitting the dose for this purpose.

Value: While there may be GDAs out there which contribute to a better pump, Load keeps things simple with high quality extracts and supra-normal dosing. Quality of ingredients/extracts and extract processes trumps ingredient profiles any day. A bit more expensive, but you get what you pay for, right?

Sides: Minor gastro discomfort if you're new to berberine (I was) but it goes away after a week or two. Every now and then though I would need to go to the bathroom quite soon after finishing my meal (with which I dosed Load), felt like the food just went right through me those times (should have named it UN-Load).


BLR Vector:

Dosing:
Same as Load, 6 caps daily, more or less the same size. No perceivable benefit in modifying dosing protocol, Ran it at 2/2/2, 3/3, 2/4, 0/6 (Second dose is PWO). No noticable strength or stamina improvements from higher doses PWO, but someone on here said they prefer 4/2. Could be a mental thing or might not affect me the same way. Try different dosing, see what works for you. Dosing 2/2/2 very well might keep it active in your system for longer, but I don't see it making a difference big enough to even outweigh the convenience of dosing twice daily. Just my 2C.

Ingredient Profile: Again, simple and effective.

Effects: Vector surprised me. Again, it's not really a supplement you "feel". Three weeks into this run though my stamina increased exponentially. Not just stamina, but "power". Feels like I had boundless energy, I could force a "no rest between sets" policy and get through a good 20-30 sets back to back. Felt like I could do twice the volume that I planned for.

Anabolism: Important to mention here again, that I was recomping and eating slightly below maintenance. Despite being in a slight deficit ( back measurement, 0.7 inches on biceps, 2.1 on thighs, and 1.8 inches around the shoulders. (All flexed circumference measurements). My calves have grown almost an inch a piece as well, bringing them up to par with my arms (#symmetry). I'm not sure how effective it is during a more aggressive deficit, but I experimented with some IF, carb cycling, low carb (all with bigger deficits) in the last couple of weeks without noticing a drop in quality of workout or recovery. This is not a supplement you need to "feed" to make it work.

Sides: Some pretty wild dreams if you dose before bed. Almost always dreams involving running from or chasing something, and similar reports from a handful of other users. Whatever the dream would be, it would be vivid and feel like my Sympathetic Nervous System had been activated. Having said that though, it's not a real matter of concern, wouldn't make me think twice about dosing before bed.
Thanks for the review, and glad you enjoyed it!
 
@Harishusain that’s incredible!! I’m so glad you enjoyed your run and had such great success! Would love to see side by side pics!
 
Great detailed final review. Definitely sounds like you got the results you wanted and enjoyed the product.
 
Is there anything better than waking up to a fresh delivery of supplements? Well, maybe morning sex, or maybe its just a close second

Fully stocked for a 12 week run of these two bad boys now, the goal is total body recomp. So a little background; I've been lifting for almost 10 years now, feel like my physique hit its peak (6'0, 86kg at 8% BF, nothing crazy but I was pretty happy with it) and declined over the last year or so.

I'm T minus 20 weeks till I wed my beautiful fiance so its crunch time. Just finished Stoppanis SS8 program, ended up putting on some muscle and dropping BF from 20% to 14% at 98kg. Last week was a deload week. Going into this week with the Superman Remastered program, with some Tabata and MISS cardio added in.


For more info on these supplements :

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Other supps I'm running:

Xtend
MT Nano X9 (bottle finishes in a couple days though)
MT Nitrotech (yielding 9g Creatine daily, most studies on cognitive benefits of creatine have been done on doses higher than 5g. Muscles are fully saturated, so this should not skew any results).

I've got a 4 week supply of Hydroxycut Next Gen (Red Caps) put away which I might throw in after 6-8 weeks or however long it takes to establish the efficacy of this stack.

So without further ado, LET THE GAINZZ BEGIN !

Sweeet
 
Thanks for the support @ValiantThor08 and @Resolve10, should I be concerned about my cholesterol intake though, in terms of not just gains but overall health? I've notice that a large chunk of it is coming from the Nitrotech.

Cholesterol is something to look at if you keep your carbs up, on a keto life style not so much . I would be more concerned about inslin spikes and inflammation a1c more than cholesterol.
 
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