Sorry. Havent been feeling well as of lately.So we went from being cool with each other to you insinuating I’m an idiot. That’s cool. Can’t you see we were just having a little laugh of the past that was absolutely not meant to be mean?
Sorry. Havent been feeling well as of lately.So we went from being cool with each other to you insinuating I’m an idiot. That’s cool. Can’t you see we were just having a little laugh of the past that was absolutely not meant to be mean?
Have you checked your prolactin?Sorry. Havent been feeling well as of lately.
Glucose levels are perfect (completely normal) as are liver values, have bloodwork done twice a year, once on the 7 months I'm on mk677, and once on the 5 months I'm off mk677 for the year. This is my 4rth year of taking mk677, and will post blood igf values once again in around 4 weeks. I'm 52 but 25mg of mk677 for 7 months of the year gives me the GH and igf levels of a gifted 18 year old. When I use it: high nitrogen retention, increased endurance, increased gains in gym, smart drug like brain enhancements, no lethargy. Look even better for the spring and summer & fall when I go to the waterpark every year with summer pass, where I used to lifeguard ages ago. I only recommend it to people who don't experience lethargy on it, those like myself.How’s your glucose level?
Have you thought about doing an experiment to cease running MK when the GH and IGF values drop to their lowest point. Then, instead of waiting months to start again, only take a short period of time off, and then get back on to see if you can replicate the higher IGF levels for the same amount of time, with a shorter period of time off.Fly_boy said:
Glucose levels are perfect (completely normal) as are liver values, have bloodwork done twice a year, once on the 7 months I'm on mk677, and once on the 5 months I'm off mk677 for the year. This is my 4rth year of taking mk677, and will post blood igf values once again in around 4 weeks. I'm 52 but 25mg of mk677 for 7 months of the year gives me the GH and igf levels of a gifted 18 year old. When I use it: high nitrogen retention, increased endurance, increased gains in gym, smart drug like brain enhancements, no lethargy. Look even better for the spring and summer & fall when I go to the waterpark every year with summer pass, where I used to lifeguard ages ago. I only recommend it to people who don't experience lethargy on it, those like myself.
First 4 weeks give the equivalent igf-1 bloodwork of 4iu of pharm grade HGH, then after that for the next 6 months, 25mg gives me the equivalent of 3.4iu pharm grade HGH. After 7 months total, levels begin to decline slightly from the high peak, when is the point I get off the mk677 so that it will remain effective for the next year I use it. I have checked my baseline several years in a row, and my baseline always returns to normal once I'm off it as well, so no detrimental effects on my normal levels whatsoever. Dreams are enhanced and even quite colorful at times with deep sleep while on it.
@Mathb33 i really, really, REALLY dont want to start any fights but i know opinions differ wildly on the topic of mk. I know what you think of it...here is @Jinsun saying i need at least 4 iu of growth to get anything above what mk gives...and here another man also has good experience and bloodwork to prove hence i am just tagging you here so that you see that i am not talking out of my a$$ and not the only one who responds well to mkFly_boy said:
Glucose levels are perfect (completely normal) as are liver values, have bloodwork done twice a year, once on the 7 months I'm on mk677, and once on the 5 months I'm off mk677 for the year. This is my 4rth year of taking mk677, and will post blood igf values once again in around 4 weeks. I'm 52 but 25mg of mk677 for 7 months of the year gives me the GH and igf levels of a gifted 18 year old. When I use it: high nitrogen retention, increased endurance, increased gains in gym, smart drug like brain enhancements, no lethargy. Look even better for the spring and summer & fall when I go to the waterpark every year with summer pass, where I used to lifeguard ages ago. I only recommend it to people who don't experience lethargy on it, those like myself.
First 4 weeks give the equivalent igf-1 bloodwork of 4iu of pharm grade HGH, then after that for the next 6 months, 25mg gives me the equivalent of 3.4iu pharm grade HGH. After 7 months total, levels begin to decline slightly from the high peak, when is the point I get off the mk677 so that it will remain effective for the next year I use it. I have checked my baseline several years in a row, and my baseline always returns to normal once I'm off it as well, so no detrimental effects on my normal levels whatsoever. Dreams are enhanced and even quite colorful at times with deep sleep while on it.
have you tried anything to negate the prolactin side effects?@Mathb33 i really, really, REALLY dont want to start any fights but i know opinions differ wildly on the topic of mk. I know what you think of it...here is @Jinsun saying i need at least 4 iu of growth to get anything above what mk gives...and here another man also has good experience and bloodwork to prove hence i am just tagging you here so that you see that i am not talking out of my a$$ and not the only one who responds well to mk
So in my case, i am not really asking anything above what mk gives, i am really content with results as far as pumps, fullness and even fat loss go,
My main issue are prolactin sides hence i am looking for a substitute, hence growth even though its less convenient. But as far as effects go, i dont need more than what 20mg of mk gives.
P5p and l dopa, doesnt seem to do a whole lot.have you tried anything to negate the prolactin side effects?
Interesting. I had way worse libido now that I was on GH. Dickey felt kinda dead. Maybe this is the reason.GH apparently attaches to prolactin receptors and can therefore exert some of the effects of prolactin by itself. I am not entirely sure about this so would be interesting if someone with more knowledge would chime in.
We are on the same wavelength ValiantThor08! Yes, I am currently doing that experiment right now, I came off the MK677 "beginning of Sept 2020" (I was on it for 7 months total)...I have begun it again several weeks ago (beg of Jan 2021). That means I have only been off it for 4 months total. I will take bloodwork in a few weeks from now, and once again near end of 7 months on it. I will post it all here. I am able to get bloodwork done for free since I use my health savings account which already has a portion of money put into it. I am not willing to go shorter than 4 months off it, as I feel the additional time is necessary for it to be effective year after year, I could be wrong about this, but 4 months off is really not a long time in my book.Have you thought about doing an experiment to cease running MK when the GH and IGF values drop to their lowest point. Then, instead of waiting months to start again, only take a short period of time off, and then get back on to see if you can replicate the higher IGF levels for the same amount of time, with a shorter period of time off.
Let's speculate. Say your bloods conclude that 4 months off yields the same results as 7 months off. I beg to say reduce to 3 months and perform same experiment. I know you don't want to go shorter than 4 months now, but wait until you see your bloods to rule it out.ValiantThor08 said:
We are on the same wavelength ValiantThor08! Yes, I am currently doing that experiment right now, I came off the MK677 "beginning of Sept 2020" (I was on it for 7 months total)...I have begun it again several weeks ago (beg of Jan 2021). That means I have only been off it for 4 months total. I will take bloodwork in a few weeks from now, and once again near end of 7 months on it. I will post it all here. I am able to get bloodwork done for free since I use my health savings account which already has a portion of money put into it. I am not willing to go shorter than 4 months off it, as I feel the additional time is necessary for it to be effective year after year, I could be wrong about this, but 4 months off is really not a long time in my book.
It looks like I will stick with 8 months on ValiantThor08 (Jan thru Aug) and 4 months off, as I have noticed from my bloodwork that levels begin to drop ever so slightly from peak at the 7 month period, so I will need 4 months off each year for the 25mkg a day mk677 to remain effective for the next year. Even though I would like to decrease to 3 months off, that would mean 9 months on, and the drop from high peak would be a bit too much imho by the 9th month. Even the mk677 studies showed everyone started experiencing very slowly declining drops from their high peak around the 7month on.Let's speculate. Say your bloods conclude that 4 months off yields the same results as 7 months off. I beg to say reduce to 3 months and perform same experiment. I know you don't want to go shorter than 4 months now, but wait until you see your bloods to rule it out.
I don’t necessarily think mk677 is trash I just think the sides are harsher than a small dose of gh somehow... I’m sure you will enjoy MUCH more 2 iu of growth, I can’t wait for you to try it and I’m sure it won’t effect your prolactin or anything negatively you’ll feel amazing. Oh and edit : if Jinsu got trash gh that’s on him no offense... most people can’t get good gh. I dare him to find a group of knowledgeable people say mk = 4iu of growth.My gh put me quite a bit in Supra at 2iu. 4iu of growth is way way more than what mk can give you. You’ll experience it yourself and you’ll see bro@Mathb33 i really, really, REALLY dont want to start any fights but i know opinions differ wildly on the topic of mk. I know what you think of it...here is @Jinsun saying i need at least 4 iu of growth to get anything above what mk gives...and here another man also has good experience and bloodwork to prove hence i am just tagging you here so that you see that i am not talking out of my a$$ and not the only one who responds well to mk
So in my case, i am not really asking anything above what mk gives, i am really content with results as far as pumps, fullness and even fat loss go,
My main issue are prolactin sides hence i am looking for a substitute, hence growth even though its less convenient. But as far as effects go, i dont need more than what 20mg of mk gives.
isnt this why people go with MK over gh, because finding good gh is hard to get?I don’t necessarily think mk677 is trash I just think the sides are harsher than a small dose of gh somehow... I’m sure you will enjoy MUCH more 2 iu of growth, I can’t wait for you to try it and I’m sure it won’t effect your prolactin or anything negatively you’ll feel amazing. Oh and edit : if Jinsu got trash gh that’s on him no offense... most people can’t get good gh. I dare him to find a group of knowledgeable people say mk = 4iu of growth.My gh put me quite a bit in Supra at 2iu. 4iu of growth is way way more than what mk can give you. You’ll experience it yourself and you’ll see bro
Yes, and money. I pay around 300-400$ a month for growth. And it’s fine to choose mk because it’s cheaper. I just find it silly that people say it’ll give gh-like results. If it was the case pros and top coaches wouldn’t be spitting on mk they’d have their athletes on it instead of spending thousands a month on gh.I’m absolutely fine with mk for sleep benefits, recovery slightly better etc.isnt this why people go with MK over gh, because finding good gh is hard to get?
Its fine to pay 300 bucks if you get legit properly dosed gh. But paying 300 bucks a month for hcg or some random bullsh1t powder is another thing.Yes, and money. I pay around 300-400$ a month for growth. And it’s fine to choose mk because it’s cheaper. I just find it silly that people say it’ll give gh-like results. If it was the case pros and top coaches wouldn’t be spitting on mk they’d have their athletes on it instead of spending thousands a month on gh.I’m absolutely fine with mk for sleep benefits, recovery slightly better etc.
???? Too much? Do you know what Pharma gh is worth? Or even generic great quality? Pharma can be as much as 1700$ for 100iu... in Canada here there is litterally NO respected generic that’s under 300$ for 100iu. Absolutely none. And the community here in Canada knows that there’s only 2 generic worth taking and all the rest are garbage. Idk where you’re coming from with your "it should be 200$" lol. Sure in the us it’s cheaper but it’s all garbage.400$ is to much for 4iu ed. It should be more in line of 200$.
@CroLifter stop worrying about fake gear so much for fuacks sake : )
Distinguishing between peps and gh is really easy though. Really. Peps have a shitload of specific sides to them that gh doesnt have.
It's literary like that for a lot of sources over at meso. You just have to know what you're doing. And yes, the price is mostly around 120 - 150€ for 100iu kit's. All constantly lab tested and all constantly proven via bloods. Idk how it's in canada but in EU it's really not a problem and the price isn't that bad anymore.@CroLifter its easy to know if it’s real or not. If it’s not spoken all around your country and your community and has hundreds of people with bloods proving it’s legitimate then it’s trash. People don’t realize that gh is litterally the most faked/underdosed thing ever. In Canada there’s a forum with a section dedicated to that with bloods on multiple generic, hundred of comments on each of them and you’d be surprised but 90% of the gh generic are under dosed or completely bunk. I’m talking like 20-30 generic brands selling a lot that are completely underdosed. People just don’t know.For exemple the opti I’m taking that’s a private source I litterally got people that would suck my dick to get my contact. My source gives monthly tests of its quality, and people keep showing bloods. That’s how I know it’s real. Plus I got bloods in October to see for myself.
150 euro is about 250$ Canadian. And gear as always been a bit more expensive in Canada. So 300$ for a quality generic isn’t really far off from your prices eitherIt's literary like that for a lot of sources over at meso. You just have to know what you're doing. And yes, the price is mostly around 120 - 150€ for 100iu kit's. All constantly lab tested and all constantly proven via bloods. Idk how it's in canada but in EU it's really not a problem and the price isn't that bad anymore.
Yes, I do know how much pharm grade GH costs. Obviously I wasn't talking about that.
Yeah, I thought there might be some differences in the market and euro cad conversion ... And don't get me wrong, some sell GH kit's for 175 - 200€. I just listed the price's that are the lowest (meditrope 120e) and somehow the norm (150€).150 euro is about 250$ Canadian. And gear as always been a bit more expensive in Canada. So 300$ for a quality generic isn’t really far off from your prices either
Yeah bloods would tell but if its real i should be seeing and feeling resukts in a matter of days, since i get results in terms of fullness and pumps from mk in a matter of literally 48-72 hours so gh shoukd be the same at 3-4 iu i assume.@CroLifter try and dig as much info about your source as possible, when you receive it if it’s air pressured that’s already a good sign. Get bloods 3-4 weeks in and if ever it’s bunk call it a day.
Yeah you’ll see an improvement in pump bjr even more so in sleep quality. My first month on gh it’s like I couldn’t get enough sleep. I usually sleep at 2am until like 10-11am, I would be falling asleep at like 10 if I didn’t fight it. I usually wake up every hour normally , since on growth I wake up once to pee. I also would wake up and it’s like my body wanted more sleep. I could nap 2 times a day. Was annoying but within 3-4 months I can already say it transformed me quite a bit. and the sleepiness thing sorted itself out after a couple weeks.Yeah bloods would tell but if its real i should be seeing and feeling resukts in a matter of days, since i get results in terms of fullness and pumps from mk in a matter of literally 48-72 hours so gh shoukd be the same at 3-4 iu i assume.
There isnt any other mechanism of action by which mk would promote fullness and pumps other than increased igf, which will also be result of injected gh.
We have a similar circadian rhytm. Thank goodness i dont need to wake up early for my job i would be getting on avg 4-5 hrs of sleep per night if i actually had to go to a specific location for work let alone drive haha for the usual 8-4 or 9-5Yeah you’ll see an improvement in pump bjr even more so in sleep quality. My first month on gh it’s like I couldn’t get enough sleep. I usually sleep at 2am until like 10-11am, I would be falling asleep at like 10 if I didn’t fight it. I usually wake up every hour normally , since on growth I wake up once to pee. I also would wake up and it’s like my body wanted more sleep. I could nap 2 times a day. Was annoying but within 3-4 months I can already say it transformed me quite a bit. and the sleepiness thing sorted itself out after a couple weeks.
Even when my bodybuilding time will be passed I’ll consider finding a doctor for 1-2iu year round just for how good it makes me sleep... i just have to see if it’s possible to stay healthy a lifetime on low dose ghWe have a similar circadian rhytm. Thank goodness i dont need to wake up early for my job i would be getting on avg 4-5 hrs of sleep per night if i actually had to go to a specific location for work let alone drive haha for the usual 8-4 or 9-5
Anyway sleep with just mk is on another lvl. I mean its insane how much better its for sleep than melatonin which is a sleep supplement. I dont wake up at all on mk while i usually have troubles sleeping off cycle waking up continuously and cant get to sleep and melatonin only helps with the latter.
Yes, agree. Great muscle fullness. The increased hunger dies down for me every year after 4 weeks on it.Mk677 hunger is unbelievable can swallow so much food down it’s not even funny
massive fullness along with it
Did you ever check your blood sugar while running mk677 I would run metformin or long acting insulin along with it if your blood sugar is high upon waken fasted
I see you say it equals close to 4 iu for you but where are your bloods showing your gh levels? 4iu brings me way way higher than your levels. 300ish is something you’ll get off 2iu usually.2021 overview of my research thus far:
This is what it does for me, you may be different, get baseline and mk677 "insulin-like growth factor 1" tests done on yourself.
25mg mk677 = GH and IGF readings = 4.0 iu pharm grade GH from China for the first 2 to 3 weeks...then the body kicks in a self-regulating mechanism to keep the levels from getting to high, this is good imho, as this helps to keep glucose levels normal which I have tested yearly, always normal.
25mg mk677 = GH and IGF readings = 3.4 iu pharm grade GH from China from week 3 onward to 6th month.
25mg mk677 = GH and IGF readings = 3.2 iu pharm grade GH from China during 8th month.
At this point (7th to 8th month) I always stop using the mk677 so that it will remain effective for the next year, there is also not any point imho of continuing past the 8th month, as levels start to decline slightly from the high peak after the 6th month. This always indicates to me that it is time to stop, and then re-start again next year, around 4 months or so later.
IGF-1 range for my age group of 48 ------- 67 to 205 ng/ml igf-1
IGF-1 range for older adults ----------------- 59 to 225 ng/ml igf-1
IGF-1 range for young adults is ------------ 116 to 358 ng/ml igf-1
4-6-18, baseline igf -1 = 227 ng/ml------------------------------------------------- baseline
4-11-18, 2 days on 4iu of pharm grade HGH from China = 380 ng/ml--------------increase of 153 points
4-25-18, 2 weeks on mk677 only = 372 ng/ml------------------------------------increase of 145 points (nearly 150 point increase only lasts 2 to 3 weeks)
9-7-18, 6 months on mk677 only = 322 ng/ml------------------------------------increase of 95 points
11-2-18, 8 months on mk677 only = 304 ng/ml-----------------------------------increase of 75 points (levels start to fall after 6 months on mk677)
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new year:
3-18-19, 4 weeks on mk677 only = 327 ng/ml-------------------------------------increase of 100 points, (2-22-19 thru 3-18-19 thus far)
Year 2018 = 322 ng/ml igf-1 (level at 6 months on 25mg mk677 in morning) is equivalent of 3.4 iu pharm grade GH from China, as 95 point raise per each 1iu of hgh for me.
Year 2019 = 327 ng/ml igf-1 (after 1 month on 25mg mk677 in the am) is equivalent to 3.4 iu pharm grade GH from China, as 95 point raise per each 1iu of hgh for me. Used 8 months from March - Oct 2019.
2-3-20, baseline igf-1 = 229 ng/ml igf-1------------------------------------------new baseline
2-24-20, began mk677 early morning dosage again (25mg), did not take a blood reading on mk677 year of 2020 as ran out of funds in account. Used it till end of Sept 2020.
Photos:
(1) baseline from 4-6-18 = 227
(2) baseline from 2-3-20 = 229
(3) Pharm grade Chinese GH, 4-11-18 on 4iu after 2 days = 380
(4) 2 weeks on mk677, 4-25-18 = 372
(5) 6 months on mk677, 9-17-18 = 322
(6) 8 months on mk677, 11-2-18 = 304 (levels begin to drop from peak after 6 months just like in the study)
(7) 1 month on mk677, 3-18-19 = 327 (this 100 point increase is the level that is seen after 1 month, and also at 6 months)
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new year:
1-15-2021 began taking 25mg mk677 again, will use for 7 months at least.
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Observed notes over 4 years:
1) I only recommend it to people who don't experience lethargy on it, those like myself.
2) MK677 runs me only 1/7th the price of China pharm grade HGH. See coupons for 6 different places on post #374.
2) As Matsuo noted, "It’s hard to control BP with high test and MK, same as with high test and GH..."
Noticed slightly increased blood pressure (still in normal range) while using 200-225mg TRT test a week with mk677, but when I decreased my test dose to 140mg for several weeks, completely normal BP of 115 to 125 when in combo with the mk677, which is what I will continue to use from now on.
It's possible to keep your blood pressure normal while on 10 week cycle once to twice a year while using MK677 with low dose test with primobolan. I use 140mg test cyp a week TRT all year long with a yearly cycle of 500 to 600mg primobolan...no water retention, high quality muscle gain which you keep most of, no blood pressure issues, next to zero sides, great mood & no greater hair loss than testosterone, suggest home brew primo, as then it is inexpensive.
The Primobolan compilation:
The Primobolan or primo files
Primobolan or primo files Public domain information from all over the web: Anabolics 2006 (page 198): ----------------------------- It possesses an anabolic rating of 88, while Testosterone's anabolic strength rating is 100. Anabolic/Androgenic Ratio (Range): 88 : 44-57 During a cycle the...www.professionalmuscle.com
3) I'm 52 but 25mg of mk677 for 7 months of the year gives me the GH and igf levels of a gifted 18 year old. When I use it: high nitrogen retention, increased endurance, increased gains in gym, good pumps and full feeling in muscles, smart drug like brain enhancements (best smart drug imho), no lethargy. Look even better for the spring and summer & fall when I go to the waterpark every year with summer pass, where I used to lifeguard ages ago. Dreams are enhanced (vivid and pleasant) and even quite colorful at times with deep sleep while on it. The colorized dreams occasionally really shocked me as I never dream in color normally.
4) When I speak of the smart drug like effects of MK677, have noticed it improves my cognition, sharper focus with eyesight, able to work longer, smarter and harder at work, focus with ease, stay up later into the night if I desire, and retain a more pleasant outlook on life in general throughout the day, good anti-depressant qualities in other words, synergizes very well with daily fish oil capsules (DHA & EPA) taken for the brain.
5) Favorite supplements: Arachidonic acid (4 caps or 1400mg) taken pre-workout on workout days only, not necessary to take it daily studies show for 2 month cycle, only on workout days, then can be used month after month, year long, incredible pumps, greater lean muscle gains compared to placebo. 6 grams HMB daily, BCAA's preworkout and daily, CLA 2g taken before meals = 6g daily, 6 capsules arginine & ornithine 500mg/250mg preworkout for increased natural GH during workout, been using since age 20. Betaine 1.25g x twice a day, CLA + betaine = amazing synergy, 6 capsules fish oil, chromium picolinate, vanadyl sulfate, R-Alpha Lipoic Acid (R-alpha Lipoic acid = 300mg/S-alpha Lipoic acid = 250mg).
See ergo-log.com website for studies on all the above supplements when used by weight lifters compared to placebo. Or see post #275 for studies.
Favorite protein: 60g met-rx pure protein at once. I love 300g cold chicken salad for lunch many days...90g protein, chop and add celery, green onions, olives and use 1.5 tablespoon Better Body Foods 100% pure avacado oil Mayo in place of mayo. Keto diet daily is my favorite and fasting after 8 hours combined with cardio x 3 times a week is one of my favorite things to follow, get at least 1g protein per lb of bodyweight. I still get all my meals in within the 8 hour period when follow the fasting. When not fasting, will add in boiled egg whites when get home.
Favorite study:
Effects of an Oral Ghrelin Mimetic MK677 on Body Composition and Clinical Outcomes in Healthy Older Adults: A Randomized, Controlled Trial
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Growth hormone (GH) secretion and muscle mass decline from mid-puberty throughout life culminating in sarcopenia, frailty, decreased function and loss of independence.Determine if an oral ghrelin mimetic (MK-677) would enhance GH secretion into the young ...www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Oh thanks i didn’t see. That’s quite interesting. Thanks for providing all these detailsPhoto #3 = 380 igf-1 off 4iu of pharm grade HGH, photo #4 = 372 igf-1 off 25mg mk677 for first 3 weeks.
A quick note here. You should test for igf1 on GH after a few weeks and not after a day or two. Reason being that you still have your natural igf1 present at the start of GH use and thus your igf1 lab test will be substantially higher. Also, it takes a bit more time for igf1 levels to rise with GH use. So long story short: this result is useless.4-11-18, 2 days on 4iu of pharm grade HGH from China = 380 ng/ml--------------increase of 153 points
@CroLifter you do realise that in every topic you start talking about yourself and how this and that in your life ...? Dont want to be rude but c'mon bro : )Interestingly enough it does lean me out some, but never tried gh, about to change though
But yeah those libido issues just cause problems in the relationship (like 0 interest, zero, would rather watch youtube videos, horrible) and it bothers me so i am eager to give up the convenience of mk if i can have the benefits without those downsides.
If i get some extra fat loss than great.
Another problem with hgh, aside from the main one, sourcing is of course storage. If you dont live by yourself all the time, it may (will) raise some eyebrows. I certainly dont want my mother to throw it in the trash when she visits me, i already got flamed so much for hcg and test amp.she saw, now this hahah ending up with couple hundred bucks in trash, may as well get a tiny secret fridge and place it somewhere haha
Its one thing if she gets pissed and in a fit of rage breaks one of my test or hcg amps, its another thing if she decides to break 300 bucks worth of growth...gotta be secretive about it.
You re right man. Time to start spending less time on the sh1tty boards and actually change things in life for the better.@CroLifter you do realise that in every topic you start talking about yourself and how this and that in your life ...? Dont want to be rude but c'mon bro : )
And if we are on the topic of mk and your prolactin issue's again, why df dont you take caber with it?? Or something else for that matter. Not that I want to talk about this for the 100x time, but c'mon, this really isnt unsolvable.
I agree man. Especially as it seems that you are stuck in a loop ... < 3You re right man. Time to start spending less time on the sh1tty boards and actually change things in life for the better.
Everybody that I know on this forum that’s an addict that stopped drugs/alcohol PERFECTLY know, AAS is the continuation of an addiction. Including myself! Bold of you to assume I can’t choose AAS over anything. My girlfriend, love of my life, knew from first date I do aas and if she ever ask me to stop of bug me about it she’s gone. I will never let someone dictate what I can or can’t do in my life. She can do whatever the **** she want so can I. Now if my health is getting bad, and things going to **** and she’s discussing that that’s another story. But today, yes I’ll take my passion over anything if someone DARES ask me to make a choice. Because let’s be honest... why would you ever have to choose between AAS or a woman? Why would a woman ask you to choose? That’s extremely wrong. Unless.. once again... your health is compromised or you’ve changed and you’re another man etc.And as for the discourse revolving around relationships ... I've talked about this on AM before and I agree 100%. Relationships, libido towards life, passion, those things are #1. I'm never endangering a relationship again based upon my aas use and neither should you. It makes no sense. Aas use is anyway just an extension of our own insecurities and bad self images. And when the drugs start messing up your life, it's time to ditch them. It's funny how many ex addicts of recreational drugs there are on this forum. And it's funny how nobody sees aas use as an extension of that. It might be physically more safe (I guess), but psychologically, it's feeding from the same mechanisms that other drugs were.
Not assuming anything about you.Everybody that I know on this forum that’s an addict that stopped drugs/alcohol PERFECTLY know, AAS is the continuation of an addiction. Including myself! Bold of you to assume I can’t choose AAS over anything. My girlfriend, love of my life, knew from first date I do aas and if she ever ask me to stop of bug me about it she’s gone. I will never let someone dictate what I can or can’t do in my life. She can do whatever the **** she want so can I. Now if my health is getting bad, and things going to **** and she’s discussing that that’s another story. But today, yes I’ll take my passion over anything if someone DARES ask me to make a choice. Because let’s be honest... why would you ever have to choose between AAS or a woman? Why would a woman ask you to choose? That’s extremely wrong. Unless.. once again... your health is compromised or you’ve changed and you’re another man etc.
Yeah, exactly.People don’t get it lol it’s like sex doesn’t exist for you anymore, I was disgusted by it. I made no effort whatsoever towards her, just couldn’t.
Ok, I guess I did use an absolute here. My bad. Should have worded that differently.And it's funny how nobody sees aas use as an extension of that.
Nah tbh you’re right because it’s true a lot of people will say they’re under control because gear makes you think you are but the addiction is thereOk, I guess I did use an absolute here. My bad. Should have worded that differently.