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[rascal14]

You yourself just quoted something that said that high protein diets don’t aversely effect kidney function in healthy people, but only in people with kidney disease. This seems to support the assertion being made that for the general population, high protein intake is not bad for the kidneys. To say that it’s inherently bad for the kidneys because it’s bad for people who have pre-existing kidney disease is akin to saying that peanuts are inherently bad because some people are allergic to them.

Hey man your messages are full.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

Hey man your messages are full.

Cleared some space.

 

[Young Gotti]

Yup, you can get all your protein from a single source, be it chicken, eggs, or protein powder. The issue that you may run into by relying on one protein source exclusively is that it’s probably not going to give you a lot of diversity or micronutrients, but you should probably be having fruits, vegetables, and other foods besides protein as well. Protein powder is also lower calorie and fat per gram of protein than things like beef, eggs, etc, so if you’re trying to bulk, you’d be better off with higher-calorie foods than trying to bulk on primarily protein powder, of course. Also, who doesn’t want to enjoy some chicken, turkey, beef, pork, eggs, etc. at least sometimes as well?

exactly, in my first post, no where did I say it is optimal, just that ppl have tried it and didn't report loss of muscle or performance

 

[LiveToLift]

Lol, yeah, well, it doesn't seem like we have to worry...he has not been back in a few days since I offered to compare research and evidence and he maybe is still trying to find some? Got me....



Oh come on. You can't just spoon feed. Maybe we are wrong and he has evidence of protein failure from protein intake that we haven't found ? I mean, beyond the doctor from 1945 or the guy at the gym saying so?

He's taking his time to report back with a detailed reply.

 

[HIT4ME]

Yes we all learn brother! That's why I love life. My point was this kid is saying YOU CAN GET ALL YOUR PROTEIN FROM PROTEIN SHAKES AND NOT FOOD. That would be like saying you can get all your protein from milk, since whey, casein etc. Protein is derived from milk. That's also like saying YOU CAN GET ALL YOUR CARBS FROM SUPPLEMENTS, SINCE PRTOTEIN SHAKES are A SUPPLEMENT.

Also, I agree that protein only will not cause kidney damage, unless you show scientific proof otherwise. Ever notice when you have too much protein, shakes etc. Your piss is bubbly? Not good.

Higher*protein*intake improves both (13, 14, 15, 16). ... Bottom Line: A high protein*intake has been shown to accelerate*kidney damage*in people who have*kidney*disease. However, higher*protein*diets don't adversely affect kidney*function in healthy people.Jun 4,

Here's the raw deal... Take whatever you want. Eat however you want. Your kidneys are responsible for filtering out toxins. If you don't stay hydrated, they will fail.

As a bodybuilder, you know the importance of vitamins and minerals to help build muscle and provide energy. You might not know that your risk for kidney disease increases if you're a bodybuilder.*

Lots of things can make your urine foamy. ONE of those things is protein in your urine due to kidney failure. As you said, it is your kidneys' job to excrete toxins, of which protein itself is not. Kidneys typically do NOT excrete protein, no matter how much you consume, unless they are failing.

Your logic is that a failing kidney excrete protein so protein is bad for your kidneys is in credibly flawed. Failing kidneys also excrete blood, so does blood cause kidney failure too?

And just because protein getting past your kidneys can make your urine e foamy doesn't mean foamy urine is an indicator of kidney damage beyond all other diagnosis.

And we agree that long term use of supplements as your sole source of protein is not the ideal strategy...but that doesn't mean it is impossible to do for quite a while without issue. It depends on other factors. At the end of the day we only need chemicals and if we get them it doesn't matter how.

And, um, you can thrive on milk. As a matter of fact it is all a newborn cow will eat and that newborn calf will put on a ton of lean mass while doing so and be perfectly healthy. So if saying that getting all of your protein from supplements is like saying you can get all of your protein from milk then you have pretty much won the debate for me.

Your missing the point

Ok, but if that is the case why spend an entire post before this one arguing in my favor?

Make sure you drink that water!

Wait! Water will fill your bladder. A full bladder will cause your urine to possibly become foamy. Foamy urine isn't good, it indicates kidney failure. So, wait, is water bad for your kidneys?

Must be. Your kidneys excrete toxins. Bodybuilders drink a lot of water and have higher rates of kidney damage. Water clearly is bad for your kidneys. *heavy sarcasm because I obviously am missing the point*

Hey bro, lmfao, just because I have a life, and I'm not here to quickly answer, doesn't mean you're right.

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I know man, no worries. I was just wondering where you went...I am not around so much anymore either. And no, nothing means I am right. All we can go on is evidence. My offer still stands, if you are willing to spoon feed me your eviden e I will spoon feed you mine. Bring up so,e facts and studies supporting your point and I will provide the studies I have read. So far you have paraphrased a supposed study, but it didn't support any of your claims.

My point was you cannot get all your protein from supps. As far as kidney damage and protein... Show me the facts. Until then shhhh

Wait, show you the facts? You made the claims and then said you don't believe in spoon feeding facts? I offered to meet half way and show you facts supporting my hypothesis if you provided facts supporting your hypothesis.

But didn't you say that getting all your protein from supplements was like getting all your protein from milk? Babies and calves everywhere are at serious risk!

Maybe you should know the facts before you go making claims? Know the facts or shhhh

Show me a single case of kidney failure CAUSED by excessive protein. Just one. That's all I am asking.

He's taking his time to report back with a detailed reply.

Lol...I hope those responses didn't take too long. If he actually took time to think about them, I hope it wasn't much. I made two posts and he somehow quoted me 4 times...but whatever.

anyway, I am being hard on him but it's all in good fun. I hope my facetiousness isn't too much....

 

[Bintherduntht]

Lots of things can make your urine foamy. ONE of those things is protein in your urine due to kidney failure. As you said, it is your kidneys' job to excrete toxins, of which protein itself is not. Kidneys typically do NOT excrete protein, no matter how much you consume, unless they are failing.

Your logic is that a failing kidney excrete protein so protein is bad for your kidneys is in credibly flawed. Failing kidneys also excrete blood, so does blood cause kidney failure too?

And just because protein getting past your kidneys can make your urine e foamy doesn't mean foamy urine is an indicator of kidney damage beyond all other diagnosis.

And we agree that long term use of supplements as your sole source of protein is not the ideal strategy...but that doesn't mean it is impossible to do for quite a while without issue. It depends on other factors. At the end of the day we only need chemicals and if we get them it doesn't matter how.

And, um, you can thrive on milk. As a matter of fact it is all a newborn cow will eat and that newborn calf will put on a ton of lean mass while doing so and be perfectly healthy. So if saying that getting all of your protein from supplements is like saying you can get all of your protein from milk then you have pretty much won the debate for me.



Ok, but if that is the case why spend an entire post before this one arguing in my favor?



Wait! Water will fill your bladder. A full bladder will cause your urine to possibly become foamy. Foamy urine isn't good, it indicates kidney failure. So, wait, is water bad for your kidneys?

Must be. Your kidneys excrete toxins. Bodybuilders drink a lot of water and have higher rates of kidney damage. Water clearly is bad for your kidneys. *heavy sarcasm because I obviously am missing the point*

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I know man, no worries. I was just wondering where you went...I am not around so much anymore either. And no, nothing means I am right. All we can go on is evidence. My offer still stands, if you are willing to spoon feed me your eviden e I will spoon feed you mine. Bring up so,e facts and studies supporting your point and I will provide the studies I have read. So far you have paraphrased a supposed study, but it didn't support any of your claims.



Wait, show you the facts? You made the claims and then said you don't believe in spoon feeding facts? I offered to meet half way and show you facts supporting my hypothesis if you provided facts supporting your hypothesis.

But didn't you say that getting all your protein from supplements was like getting all your protein from milk? Babies and calves everywhere are at serious risk!

Maybe you should know the facts before you go making claims? Know the facts or shhhh

Show me a single case of kidney failure CAUSED by excessive protein. Just one. That's all I am asking.



Lol...I hope those responses didn't take too long. If he actually took time to think about them, I hope it wasn't much. I made two posts and he somehow quoted me 4 times...but whatever.

anyway, I am being hard on him but it's all in good fun. I hope my facetiousness isn't too much....

We are not babies and calves. You should not, even temporarily get your daily intake of protein from supplements. That is why they are called supplements... So I no longer need to eat fruits and vegetables, as long as I take a multi vitamin?

To say you can get your daily protein intake from milk or supplements is ridiculous. But do as you will.

This does not require proof, only common sense and logic

 

[Bintherduntht]

You yourself just quoted something that said that high protein diets don’t aversely effect kidney function in healthy people, but only in people with kidney disease. This seems to support the assertion being made that for the general population, high protein intake is not bad for the kidneys. To say that it’s inherently bad for the kidneys because it’s bad for people who have pre-existing kidney disease is akin to saying that peanuts are inherently bad because some people are allergic to them.

Yes you are correct. If you have healthy kidneys, eat that protein. But BBs ingest a lot of things that eventually affect kidneys. I'm here to learn as well

 

[Bintherduntht]

why can't you get all your protein from supplements? 250g's of protein is 250g's of protein, no matter if it's a shake or chicken breast, it's still 250g's of protein in a day

might miss out on some vitamins and minerals but that's not the point at all in this discussion

the kidney thing is a major facepalm on your end tho

Ok, I'm here to learn. Too much protein, I guess will not damage kidneys. But all the supps and "juice" BBs take may affect them. You can't get all your protein from supplements. I feel that should be common sense

 

[Bintherduntht]

Please explain why someone cannot get all of their protein from supplements. Do you have anything showing an upper threshold/limit of protein powder absorption in the adult human body? Is there some literature we've all missed stating that "in order to continue living, one must vary their protein sources. If protein powder is chosen as the sole source for protein consumption, a human will........die!" ??

And sure, it may not be the ideal or healthiest choice (and really, any sane person would likely run into adherence issues after a while) to try and get all your protein intake in supplement form, as muscleupcrohn alluded to. But to say it's simply not possible is, for a few reasons, a tad nutty.



Do you feel okay? Holiday hangover? You replied to that particular post of mine two or three times. Also, are you now saying my post is "common sense" or that I "have no common sense"? Because you replied with the latter in your first responses to me.





Seriously, I'm confused, as earlier in this same thread you said:



*scratching head* So, which is it, brah?

My doctor has told me that before. But I guess the rules have changed. Here to learn too brothers

 

[muscleupcrohn]

Ok, I'm here to learn. Too much protein, I guess will not damage kidneys. But all the supps and "juice" BBs take may affect them. You can't get all your protein from supplements. I feel that should be common sense

You can get all your protein from supplements, particularly short term, but it’s not ideal by any means. In theory, you can get all, or most, of your protein from a variety of supplements (whey, egg, rice/pea proteins, etc for variety and so you don’t have too much dairy), and just make sure you also get your calories/fat/carbs from things like fruits, vegetables, nuts (which have some protein too), oats (also a little protein), etc. You really shouldn’t try to have supplements as the bulk of your diet, but you can, in theory, make them a significant part of your daily protein intake if you plan it out well.

 

[Bintherduntht]

Please explain why someone cannot get all of their protein from supplements. Do you have anything showing an upper threshold/limit of protein powder absorption in the adult human body? Is there some literature we've all missed stating that "in order to continue living, one must vary their protein sources. If protein powder is chosen as the sole source for protein consumption, a human will........die!" ??

And sure, it may not be the ideal or healthiest choice (and really, any sane person would likely run into adherence issues after a while) to try and get all your protein intake in supplement form, as muscleupcrohn alluded to. But to say it's simply not possible is, for a few reasons, a tad nutty.



Do you feel okay? Holiday hangover? You replied to that particular post of mine two or three times. Also, are you now saying my post is "common sense" or that I "have no common sense"? Because you replied with the latter in your first responses to me.





Seriously, I'm confused, as earlier in this same thread you said:



*scratching head* So, which is it, brah?

It is not healthy to eat chicken for every single meal for your protein. Or steak. Especially shakes. Common BB knowledge. You need a combination of protein sources

 

[Bintherduntht]

You can get all your protein from supplements, particularly short term, but it’s not ideal by any means. In theory, you can get all, or most, of your protein from a variety of supplements (whey, egg, rice/pea proteins, etc for variety and so you don’t have too much dairy), and just make sure you also get your calories/fat/carbs from things like fruits, vegetables, nuts (which have some protein too), oats (also a little protein), etc. You really shouldn’t try to have supplements as the bulk of your diet, but you can, in theory, make them a significant part of your daily protein intake if you plan it out well.

Thank you, for proving my point.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

Thank you, for proving my point.

What point? If you mean you shouldn’t, of can’t, get all your protein from one supplement, as in whey, then I’d say that’s usually true, but there are various sources of protein supplements that give you some diversity, although you still want your fruits, vegetables, and fats with them. But you want those even if you’re eating chicken haha.

 

[Bintherduntht]

You can get all your protein from supplements, particularly short term, but it’s not ideal by any means. In theory, you can get all, or most, of your protein from a variety of supplements (whey, egg, rice/pea proteins, etc for variety and so you don’t have too much dairy), and just make sure you also get your calories/fat/carbs from things like fruits, vegetables, nuts (which have some protein too), oats (also a little protein), etc. You really shouldn’t try to have supplements as the bulk of your diet, but you can, in theory, make them a significant part of your daily protein intake if you plan it out well.

"In theory" "In theory"

Do you get all your protein from supps? Short term or long term it is not healthy. EAT FOOOOOOD!!!

 

[coltonwalker]

*unsubs*

 

[Bintherduntht]

What point? If you mean you shouldn’t, of can’t, get all your protein from one supplement, as in whey, then I’d say that’s usually true, but there are various sources of protein supplements that give you some diversity, although you still want your fruits, vegetables, and fats with them. But you want those even if you’re eating chicken haha.

Point is, you cannot get all your protein from supplements alone and still be healthy. Short or long term. SUPPLEMENTS, ARE NOT FOOD.

I'm done here. Anyone with half a brain will understand.

No disrespect. You're entitled to you're beliefs.

 

[Bintherduntht]

*unsubs*

Right?

 

[muscleupcrohn]

"In theory" "In theory"

Do you get all your protein from supps? Short term or long term it is not healthy. EAT FOOOOOOD!!!

I said “in theory” because I’m being honest with you. It’s not ideal, but it is entirely possible. Why would I do it though? I love chicken, turkey, beef, eggs, etc. I would not recommend doing it, but you can definitely, to use a stronger word, make it work as long as you have OTHER whole foods, even if they’re not proteins, which you should do even if you have whole food proteins like chicken.

Point is, you cannot get all your protein from supplements alone and still be healthy. Short or long term. SUPPLEMENTS, ARE NOT FOOD.

I'm done here. Anyone with half a brain will understand.

No disrespect. You're entitled to you're beliefs.

Why can’t you? I can’t have some fruits, vegetables, milk, oats, and whey for breakfast, a salad with nuts, rice/pasta/etc, and some rice/pea protein for lunch, and more fruits and vegetables with rice/pasta/etc and egg protein for dinner? I’m getting the vast majority of my protein from supplements, but they’re not the only FOODS in my diet, but proteins shouldn’t be the only things you eat any way. You shouldn’t eat only protein powder and literally no other food, but you also shouldn’t eat only chicken and literally nothing else either.

 

[Bintherduntht]

I said “in theory” because I’m being honest with you. It’s not ideal, but it is entirely possible. Why would I do it though? I love chicken, turkey, beef, eggs, etc. I would not recommend doing it, but you can definitely, to use a stronger word, make it work as long as you have OTHER whole foods, even if they’re not proteins, which you should do even if you have whole food proteins like chicken.
Why can’t you? I can’t have some fruits, vegetables, milk, oats, and whey for breakfast, a salad with nuts and some rice/pea protein for lunch, and more fruits and vegetables with rice/pasta/etc and egg protein for dinner? I’m getting the vast majority of my protein from supplements, but they’re not the only FOODS in my diet, but proteins shouldn’t be the only things you eat any way. You shouldn’t eat only protein powder and literally no other food, but you also shouldn’t eat only chicken and literally nothing else either.

I'm done here. I've stated my point. I'm not going to argue. I did not join this site to argue...

We are going in circles. Much respect.

 

[Bintherduntht]

QUOTE=coltonwalker]Personally I agree with you. On my personal account, I have tried to get most of my protein from supps at one point when I was a noob. I feel much better (in an odd indescribable way) getting my protein from mostly food and using powder as a SUPPLEMENTATION as you explained. But also like you said, to each their own. Let's put it this way, you don't see motivational videos of the greats (Ronnie colemann, arnold, phil) scarfing down protein powder constantly saying how important it is to take your shakes. 75%+ of the time they talk about the importance of whole food protein and/or micro and micronutrients as a whole. With shakes when immediate protein is needed, i.e. post workout whilst still at the gym with a long trip back home.[/QUOTE]

 

[muscleupcrohn]

Personally I agree with you. On my personal account, I have tried to get most of my protein from supps at one point when I was a noob. I feel much better (in an odd indescribable way) getting my protein from mostly food and using powder as a SUPPLEMENTATION as you explained. But also like you said, to each their own. Let's put it this way, you don't see motivational videos of the greats (Ronnie colemann, arnold, phil) scarfing down protein powder constantly saying how important it is to take your shakes. 75%+ of the time they talk about the importance of whole food protein and/or micro and micronutrients as a whole. With shakes when immediate protein is needed, i.e. post workout whilst still at the gym with a long trip back home.

Of course the best don’t do it. It’s far from ideal, or even really enjoyable. That doesn’t mean that it “can’t” be done just that it doesn’t really make any sense to do it. There’s a lot of things that you can do, that you can get away with, but don’t make much sense. The real question would be “why do this?” I don’t really see a time when it’d make sense to do it, but you can. The real issue, IMO, is when people use supplements as entire meal replacements, not just protein replacements. A shake doesn’t replace chicken, rice, and some fruits/vegetables, but replacing the chicken with protein powder and keeping the rice and fruits/vegetables is much healthier and more sustainable (than a shake alone). I mean, if you’re going to sit down and eat, why not eat real protein instead of have a shake, but you “can.” It seems silly, but it isn’t really “unhealthy.”

 

[jtmass]

This is my take. You can have your entire day’s protein from supplements, but, that’s definitely not ideal. Why? Because, they have artificial colouring, gums, artificial sweeteners etc, which could possibly cause damage to your body in the long term. Bintherduntht if that’s what you’re saying. I am with you.

I definitely don’t believe the entire story on Kidney failure.

 

[Bintherduntht]

Of course the best don’t do it. It’s far from ideal, or even really enjoyable. That doesn’t mean that it “can’t” be done just that it doesn’t really make any sense to do it. There’s a lot of things that you can do, that you can get away with, but don’t make much sense. The real question would be “why do this?” I don’t really see a time when it’d make sense to do it, but you can. The real issue, IMO, is when people use supplements as entire meal replacements, not just protein replacements. A shake doesn’t replace chicken, rice, and some fruits/vegetables, but replacing the chicken with protein powder and keeping the rice and fruits/vegetables is much healthier and more sustainable (than a shake alone). I mean, if you’re going to sit down and eat, why not eat real protein instead of have a shake, but you “can.” It seems silly, but it isn’t really “unhealthy.”

THANK YOU. For proving my goshdamn, mohfukkin, point. Case closed.

 

[Bintherduntht]

Of course the best don’t do it. It’s far from ideal, or even really enjoyable. That doesn’t mean that it “can’t” be done just that it doesn’t really make any sense to do it. There’s a lot of things that you can do, that you can get away with, but don’t make much sense. The real question would be “why do this?” I don’t really see a time when it’d make sense to do it, but you can. The real issue, IMO, is when people use supplements as entire meal replacements, not just protein replacements. A shake doesn’t replace chicken, rice, and some fruits/vegetables, but replacing the chicken with protein powder and keeping the rice and fruits/vegetables is much healthier and more sustainable (than a shake alone). I mean, if you’re going to sit down and eat, why not eat real protein instead of have a shake, but you “can.” It seems silly, but it isn’t really “unhealthy.”

Yea "it can be done"
I "can" do PCP, get naked, and go cop killing.

"It can be done"

Is it the right way? No.
Does it make any fukkin sense? No.

 

[Bintherduntht]

This is my take. You can have your entire day’s protein from supplements, but, that’s definitely not ideal. Why? Because, they have artificial colouring, gums, artificial sweeteners etc, which could possibly cause damage to your body in the long term. Bintherduntht if that’s what you’re saying. I am with you.

I definitely don’t believe the entire story on Kidney failure.

Never said protein causes kidney failure brother!

 

[Bintherduntht]

This is my take. You can have your entire day’s protein from supplements, but, that’s definitely not ideal. Why? Because, they have artificial colouring, gums, artificial sweeteners etc, which could possibly cause damage to your body in the long term. Bintherduntht if that’s what you’re saying. I am with you.

I definitely don’t believe the entire story on Kidney failure.

Where do you see any artificial anything? Any crap???Invalid Link Removed

 

[Bintherduntht]

Turns out that it takes 1.5 hours for viscous liquids (e.g. a whey proteinshake) to pass through the section of the gut that can actually absorb it. But that's not the breaking news. Here's the big story. The maximum rate that whey protein can be absorbed is about 8-10 grams per hour.

 

[LiveToLift]

Omg this is giving me a headache. Learn to multi-quote please! And I've noticed for someone saying they didn't want to talk in circles you are doing a lot of it. Out of respect I ask you to just let this go brother.

 

[Bintherduntht]

Omg this is giving me a headache. Learn to multi-quote please! And I've noticed for someone saying they didn't want to talk in circles you are doing a lot of it. Out of respect I ask you to just let this go brother.

Me? How do you multi quote? And yessir I'm done here

 

[muscleupcrohn]

THANK YOU. For proving my goshdamn, mohfukkin, point. Case closed.

Do you even know what your point is? Just because it’s silly to do it doesn’t mean you can’t, or even that it’s unhealthy. You previously said you “CANNOT” do it, and that it is unhealthy and will lead to problems. I did not agree with you, so I don’t see how I proved your point. I actually said it CAN be done, just that there’s no real benefit to it. Having no benefit doesn’t mean that it’s unhealthy or you can’t do it. Do people always do the most rational/ideal thing in life?

Yea "it can be done"
I "can" do PCP, get naked, and go cop killing.

"It can be done"

Is it the right way? No.
Does it make any fukkin sense? No.

These are asinine comparisons. There are very, very serious consequences for killing people. See the first part of this post to see why this comparison makes no sense.

 

[LiveToLift]

Me? How do you multi quote? And yessir I'm done here

If using a phone just click each quote you want to respond to before you hit the reply button. It will put each one you clicked in your reply window and you put your response after each quote. I believe on the computer it's similar but you just hit the reply button with the + sign of each, haven't used the computer version in a while.

 

[Bintherduntht]

Do you even know what your point is? Just because it’s silly to do it doesn’t mean you can’t, or even that it’s unhealthy. You previously said you “CANNOT” do it, and that it is unhealthy and will lead to problems. I did not agree with you, so I don’t see how I proved your point. I actually said it CAN be done, just that there’s no real benefit to it. Having no benefit doesn’t mean that it’s unhealthy or you can’t do it. Do people always do the most rational/ideal thing in life?

These are asinine comparisons. There are very, very serious consequences for killing people. See the first part of this post to see why this comparison makes no sense.

Lighten up man.

 

[Bintherduntht]

If using a phone just click each quote you want to respond to before you hit the reply button. It will put each one you clicked in your reply window and you put your response after each quote. I believe on the computer it's similar but you just hit the reply button with the + sign of each, haven't used the computer version in a while.

Thank you sir!

 

[LiveToLift]

Thank you sir!

No problem. Hope it helps.

 

[Bintherduntht]

Do you even know what your point is? Just because it’s silly to do it doesn’t mean you can’t, or even that it’s unhealthy. You previously said you “CANNOT” do it, and that it is unhealthy and will lead to problems. I did not agree with you, so I don’t see how I proved your point. I actually said it CAN be done, just that there’s no real benefit to it. Having no benefit doesn’t mean that it’s unhealthy or you can’t do it. Do people always do the most rational/ideal thing in life?

These are asinine comparisons. There are very, very serious consequences for killing people. See the first part of this post to see why this comparison makes no sense.

My POINT is protein supplements cannot/ nor will they ever, be your main source of protein. SUPPLEMENTS are not food.

Period.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

My POINT is protein supplements cannot/ nor will they ever, be your main source of protein. SUPPLEMENTS are not food.

Period.

They cannot be your main source of FOOD, but they can be your main source of PROTEIN. You can have more than sufficient calorie/carb/fat intake and micronutrient intake, as well as fiber intake, if you use supplements for the majority of your PROTEIN, but still have plenty of fruits, vegetables, healthy fats, and carbs. Explain to me why you can’t do this?

 

[Bintherduntht]

They cannot be your main source of FOOD, but they can be your main source of PROTEIN. You can have more than sufficient calorie/carb/fat intake and micronutrient intake, as well as fiber intake, if you use supplements for the majority of your PROTEIN, but still have plenty of fruits, vegetables, healthy fats, and carbs. Explain to me why you can’t do this?

No. Explaining will do nothing. You just want to argue.

You want to get all your protein from supplements? Go for it.

It's your life right?

Drink those shakes brother!!!!

 

[muscleupcrohn]

No. Explaining will do nothing. You just want to argue.

You want to get all your protein from supplements? Go for it.

It's your life right?

Drink those shakes brother!!!!

I never said I do it, or that I’d recommend it. I’m just pointing out that you are not correct in your assertions, just as you were not correct in your claims that high protein intake is harmful for you kidneys if you don’t have preexisting kidney issues.

 

[Bintherduntht]

I never said I do it, or that I’d recommend it. I’m just pointing out that you are not correct in your assertions, just as you were not correct in your claims that high protein intake is harmful for you kidneys if you don’t have preexisting kidney issues.

I admitted I was wrong about the kidney topic... I stand by what I say about getting all your protein from supplements.

Your DICK IS WAYYY BIGGER than mine bro!

I can't believe I'm stooping to your level. Happy holidays sir. And Godbless

 

[muscleupcrohn]

I admitted I was wrong about the kidney topic... I stand by what I say about getting all your protein from supplements.

Your DICK IS WAYYY BIGGER than mine bro!

I can't believe I'm stooping to your level. Happy holidays sir. And Godbless

Why do you stand by it? What are the adverse effects on health you claim will be observed?

You mentioned having too much dairy/milk, so I said you can have some whey, some pea/rice, some egg protein, etc.

You can still get sufficient macro and micronutrients as long as you still have other non-protein dense foods like fruits and vegetables.

Not all protein supplements have artificial flavors/colors/etc, so it’s not like you’d be getting too much of those.

Why do you claim it can’t be done? Because you say so? If you can convince me why it CAN’T be done without adverse effects on health, I’d like to hear it. I don’t want to hear that it’s a silly thing to do, as I already said that. Silly =/= Unhealthy.

What does this have to do with measuring dicks? This forum is intended to educate people, so when I see something that is incorrect, I try to do my best to correct it, if not for you, then for anyone else who comes along and reads it.

Happy Holidays to you too.

 

[Bintherduntht]

Why do you stand by it? What are the adverse effects on health you claim will be observed?

You mentioned having too much dairy/milk, so I said you can have some whey, some pea/rice, some egg protein, etc.

You can still get sufficient macro and micronutrients as long as you still have other non-protein dense foods like fruits and vegetables.

Not all protein supplements have artificial flavors/colors/etc, so it’s not like you’d be getting too much of those.

Why do you claim it can’t be done? Because you say so? If you can convince me why it CAN’T be done without adverse effects on health, I’d like to hear it. I don’t want to hear that it’s a silly thing to do, as I already said that. Silly =/= Unhealthy.

What does this have to do with measuring dicks? This forum is intended to educate people, so when I see something that is incorrect, I try to do my best to correct it, if not for you, then for anyone else who comes along and reads it.

Happy Holidays to you too.

What is your point? So I can respond

 

[muscleupcrohn]

What is your point? So I can respond

My point is you claimed that you can’t use protein supplements as your main protein source without it inherently having health consequences. I would like to know why you say this is the case if you can still ensure that you have more than sufficient micro and macro nutrient intake, as well as fiber, as you can still have other foods, which you should do anyway, as the argument here is about a primary protein source, not a primary food source. Of course you shouldn’t have protein shakes and nothing else, just like you shouldn’t have chicken breast and nothing else. But a supplement with fruits, vegetables, oats, nuts, rice, pasta, etc. seems more than doable, especially if you have multiple sources of protein supplements. Again, it’s sort of a silly thing to do, but what about it would make inherently unhealthy?

 

[shockrock3]

I stick to PES Select and Animal Whey. Taking insider sales into account I see no reason to stray elsewhere for myself.

You know....I've tried all Animal Whey flavors and is it just me that they all are meh, EXCEPT the Mocha which is honestly my favorite. Red Velvet was allright

FinaFlex Clear Protein - Frosted Churro (dare you to find a better flavor)
Purus Labs Myofeed with PB2 - Both flavors hung

 

[Bintherduntht]

My point is you claimed that you can’t use protein supplements as your main protein source without it inherently having health consequences. I would like to know why you say this is the case if you can still ensure that you have more than sufficient micro and macro nutrient intake, as well as fiber, as you can still have other foods, which you should do anyway, as the argument here is about a primary protein source, not a primary food source. Of course you shouldn’t have protein shakes and nothing else, just like you shouldn’t have chicken breast and nothing else. But a supplement with fruits, vegetables, oats, nuts, rice, pasta, etc. seems more than doable, especially if you have multiple sources of protein supplements. Again, it’s sort of a silly thing to do, but what about it would make inherently unhealthy?

I NEVER said it was UNHEALTHY. Read the thread. The guy said "I GET ALL OF MY PROTEIN FROM PROTEIN SHAKES ONLY"

I NEVER said anything about "health consequences"

Again I invite you to re read the thread.

I said you cannot get all of your protein from shakes only.

You cannot have supplements as your solitary source of protein.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

I NEVER said it was UNHEALTHY. Read the thread. The guy said "I GET ALL OF MY PROTEIN FROM PROTEIN SHAKES ONLY"

I NEVER said anything about "health consequences"

Again I invite you to re read the thread.

I said you cannot get all of your protein from shakes only.

You cannot have supplements as your solitary source of protein.

You said the following:

That is not possible. You cannot get all your protein just from shakes...
You can try... I guarantee it will harm the body. You will be ****tin all day, your stomach will hurt. That is completely absurd and unhealthy. Do you do that? You do know high protein intake damages the kidneys... Our bodies were not made to consume large amounts of protein.

You said you guaranteed it would harm the body. Are you now telling me that “harming the body” is not analogous to “health consequences?” As I said, tell me why I can’t get the vast majority of my daily protein intake from supplement shakes as long as I still have a variety and sufficient amount of other foods (that aren’t a major source of protein) like fruits, vegetables, oats, nuts, pasta, rice, etc?

 

[Bintherduntht]

You said the following:

You said you guaranteed it would harm the body. Are you now telling me that “harming the body” is not analogous to “health consequences?” As I said, tell me why I can’t get the vast majority of my daily protein intake from supplement shakes as long as I still have a variety and sufficient amount of other foods (that aren’t a major source of protein) like fruits, vegetables, oats, nuts, pasta, rice, etc?

You can sprain an ankle. Harming your body.

Does that have health consequences? No.

Ohhh now its "vast majority"?

 

[muscleupcrohn]

You can sprain an ankle. Harming your body.

Does that have health consequences? No.

Ohhh now its "vast majority"?

Yes, vast majority, as even foods like rice, oats, etc. all have some minor amount of protein. Hence if you get even 5g protein from them, you aren’t getting ALL of your protein from supplements.

How on earth are you comparing his to spraining an ankle? I mean, it’s less terrible than your “killing cops” comparison, but that’s not really saying much.

 

[Aleksandar37]

You can sprain an ankle. Harming your body.

Does that have health consequences? No.

Ohhh now its "vast majority"?

I think you guys might have different definitions of what "health" means because spraining an ankle absolutely does have health consequences.

 

[muscleupcrohn]

I think you guys might have different definitions of what "health" means because spraining an ankle absolutely does have health consequences.

Of course it does lol.

 

[Bintherduntht]

Yes, vast majority, as even foods like rice, oats, etc. all have some minor amount of protein. Hence if you get even 5g protein from them, you aren’t getting ALL of your protein from supplements.

How on earth are you comparing his to spraining an ankle? I mean, it’s less terrible than your “killing cops” comparison, but that’s not really saying much.

Brother, that 5G protein is case in point.

Did that come from a shake? So you did NOT GET ALL of your protein from shakes.

If you want to drag this out