Best current test-booster?
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OrganicShadow
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Depends on what I'm going for. I found different products to yield different results.
DAA of any kind: I need 4-5g to see anything and I've never been real impressed.
For a hard, vascular and more cut up work: Erase, Free Test, or AD3. I highly recommend NOT stacking these together, joints will be dry like a desert.
For a more fuller, sized up look and strength gains: IGF2, TestoPro, Animal M-Stak (minus the red pill)
Chaotic Labz makes Annihilation which, at the price of about $120, is the most complete all round natty test boost ive found and it is good stuff... but its also $120.
FreeTest+IGF2 or TestoPro+IGF2 = win.
-OS-Team AppNut
DAA of any kind: I need 4-5g to see anything and I've never been real impressed.
For a hard, vascular and more cut up work: Erase, Free Test, or AD3. I highly recommend NOT stacking these together, joints will be dry like a desert.
For a more fuller, sized up look and strength gains: IGF2, TestoPro, Animal M-Stak (minus the red pill)
Chaotic Labz makes Annihilation which, at the price of about $120, is the most complete all round natty test boost ive found and it is good stuff... but its also $120.
FreeTest+IGF2 or TestoPro+IGF2 = win.
-OS-Team AppNut
mr.cooper69
Legend
Annihilation is junk. If you look at the label, zinc is the 3rd ingredient, which should clock in at a little over 100mg MAXIMUM. So you're really only buying DAA and fadogia.
thebigt
Legend
did someone say fadogia?
my vote goes to bps-endosurge/formasurge!!! if you threw in some i-force fadogia, and sns inhibit-p, it's possible your penis could explode...hope that is clinical enough for ya coop, lol.
trying out t-blast, but to early to comment.
threeFs
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Funny because the wrath of the DAA fanboys was unleashed on me in another thread when I amounted to the same.
But let's get back to Clomid for a second. Before recommending Testosterone Replacement Therapy, some doctors and/or endocrinologists (the well-informed, that is) prescribe Clomid in what's known as a "Clomid Challenge."
As Clomid is a SERM, it's effects on E2, and particularly estradiol in men, can have a tremendous positive effect on testosterone. This is not bro science, but rather simple chemistry.
Spaniard
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Come on bro you need to take it easy. There was no "wrath" of DAA fanboys that were unleashed upon you. I simply asked you not to say its trash. Then jiiggz asked about bloods.
He asked you that not to call you out or say you're wrong, this isn't BB dot com. He was asking to try and get a full spectrum view on what was actually going on.
Lets talk about Clomid for a second... First off, for most its illegal to use without an rx. Obtaining things like that from a research chem company is extremely tricky. It also comes with a whole host of side effects. One of my guys at the fire station was on it trying to reboot his T and ended up having to get off of it. He was sleeping all day, literally 16 hours a day, he was emotional and depressed.
^ this is a perfect example of what we're discussing right now. Clomid may work for some BUT in others it can cause emotional problems, lethargy, (just a minute example of the sides it has) and some times it doesn't even work. Sound familiar? DAA didn't work for you, Clomid doesn't work for some.
No one is recommending DAA as a TRT option its a "natural" booster. You mentioned simple chemistry, well, if you're into science, search on pubmed for the research on DAA. The research is there, the results are there. Maybe not for you but such is life, some supps don't work for everyone.
Again, relax a little bit man no one is attacking you.
- Valdez
thebigt
Legend
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ricroc
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Thanks for mentioning this and bringing it up.
threeFs
Well-known member
it's all just one biiiig science experiment we perform upon ourselves, isn't it
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oh, and I suppose if someone was looking for a test booster, I inferred that they have a problem with their current test levels. In which case, I would recommend the counsel of a doctor, not an online board, hence my recommendation to investigate in Clomid. I did not mention any sources nor condone it's illegal use.
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oh, and I suppose if someone was looking for a test booster, I inferred that they have a problem with their current test levels. In which case, I would recommend the counsel of a doctor, not an online board, hence my recommendation to investigate in Clomid. I did not mention any sources nor condone it's illegal use.
thebigt
Legend
inferring is dangerously close to assuming, lol....but the clarification is a nice touch!!!
Young Gotti
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og phytoserms and daa was my favorite experience with test boosters, a lot of ppl love ***odia which the new phytoserms has added to it
also had success with testopro
also had success with testopro
Greenhulk
Member
And what supp is HGW? What's its full name?
uubiduu
Well-known member
sub this 1000%. strength gains on these better than on ostarine!!
dtrain13
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Horny Goat Weed. The active is called Icariin however.
GuyverX
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Ostarine seemed to help with my recomp but not for giving that added bit of extra in training.
hossjob
Member
I've been under a rock with test boosters as of late, but I'm giving D-Test a run right now and I'm liking it. It's been abouta week and I know it takes 10-12 days for DAA to really get into the system from the logs I've read, but I have noticed an increase in libido already that is pretty significant and the ol' libido has been high to begin with so something is working.
After this 4 week run I'm going to use Paragon by PNI which is a DAA based test booster with some extra goodies. I have also recently read good things about Perform Erase and Endosurge, but know very little about them.
After this 4 week run I'm going to use Paragon by PNI which is a DAA based test booster with some extra goodies. I have also recently read good things about Perform Erase and Endosurge, but know very little about them.
OrganicShadow
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Yup, simple and effective. Gets the job done.. or gives you the go ahead to get the job done.
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fightbackhxc
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I like bulbine simple and effective
OrganicShadow
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I respond well to fadogia so I gravitate that direction.
To each their own on finding the dosage. I'll stick with fadogia. lol
That's more pharmacology if anything. True, it can be wonderous for total test levels shooting above 1,000 after a few weeks but monitoring E2 becomes pretty important to the effect.
-OS-Team AppNut
Greenhulk
Member
I bought it in pure powder form once (standardized to 40% icariin) and tested it for a while. First, it tastes disgusting (I understand this won't be a problem when using caps), second, it gave me diarrhea and a bit of a headache.
How do you dose it?
thebigt
Legend
i never had bloods done while on daa[at least not that i remember]...but i logged formasurge/endosurge after my doc pulled the plug on my test cyp after 5 years...test at start was around 80, when i was tested after my run of formasurge/endosurge it was 177.
that may not seem like a dramatic increase, but it had a huge impact on how i felt...libido/energy level/motivation/strength-ect, all went way up, saw major improvement in workouts....
libido wise, when i 1st tried i-force fadogia in all honesty i wasn't expecting much...it really exceeded my expectations.
inhibit-p...cheap, effective.
one day i will run a stack of formasurge/endosurge/fadogia/inhibit-p...
that may not seem like a dramatic increase, but it had a huge impact on how i felt...libido/energy level/motivation/strength-ect, all went way up, saw major improvement in workouts....
libido wise, when i 1st tried i-force fadogia in all honesty i wasn't expecting much...it really exceeded my expectations.
inhibit-p...cheap, effective.
one day i will run a stack of formasurge/endosurge/fadogia/inhibit-p...
mattikus
Well-known member
Good to see your levels slowly climbing back after all that time on. I have started the inhibit P and I am noting a slight rise in libido, but I am recovering my own natural T production as well so it is hard to gauge. For the price you definitely can't go wrong.
Your stack looks like a win, similar to what I am about run.
ricroc
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That sounds like nothing but goody good news waiting to happen. Let us know when you're on this. I'd like to see how you're doing. I just started Formasurge about a month ago. Noticing some positive recomping and that's that I haven't been as well on my diet as I should be. Still, I'm thinking about buying another bottle when I'm done with it. Starting to dry out. Look fuller, despite having lost about 4-5lbs....(guessing it was water?)
SWEET!
dtrain13
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BCS has Dominate V3 out now with Fadogia, Prolensis (Bulbine) and some other stuff. Looks interesting.
SServing Size: 6 Capsules
Amount Per Serving %DV
Zinc Aspartate 30mg 100%
Testos...terone Enhancement Blend 2560mg*
Fadogia Agrestis P.E., Grape Seed Extract (95% OPC), N-Acetyl Cysteine, ProLensis (Bulbine Natalensis), Mucuna Pruriens (98% L-Dopa), Piperineerving Size: 6 Capsules
Amount Per Serving %DV
Zinc Aspartate 30mg 100%
Testos...terone Enhancement Blend 2560mg*
Fadogia Agrestis P.E., Grape Seed Extract (95% OPC), N-Acetyl Cysteine, ProLensis (Bulbine Natalensis), Mucuna Pruriens (98% L-Dopa), Piperine
good2Badawg
Member
All this test talk makes me want to go home and bust open a bottle of endosurge....how long would/does it take for it to start raising free test...waiting to grab some bulbine to go with it but im interested in giving the ES a whirl for a week or so, just to see how it goes alone then kickin in the bulbine say 10days in
ahh123
Active member
Damn you make a solid stack recommendation.
I tried so far endosurge/daa/erase, endosurge/licogenix and endosurge/tongkat ali and always nice libido boost.
DAA gives me runs so I'm done with that but endosurge really kicks in nicely for me especially if adding some estrogen controlling substance.
Fadogia never tried but tempted but then again looking as well that member's review for Dopadex/Forskolin-95 ahh so many good stack recommendations and not enough time to try them all.
In summary: everything that raises dopamin levels increase my libido much more than just raising testosterone and endosurge works on raising both.
threeFs
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Have YOU done a "search on pubmed for the research on DAA?" When I did, all I found was studies on DAA & testosterone where the subjects were frogs, ducks, pigs, lizards, mice, rats, birds, hamsters, and monkeys. When I did my own human study on myself, my bloodwork showed extremely low test levels after being on DAA.
But I understand you're a rep/lobbyist for SNS, a manufacturer or supplier of DAA. So I can see why you've taken offense to my fact-based opinion on one of your products.
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Spaniard
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Oh God here we go... You're one of those guys huh... I've been nothing but helpful in my posts to you and simply asked you not to discredit a supplement based on your poor personal results. Like I've said a couple of different times it's unfortunate it didn't work for you, sorry man, better luck next time.
Here ya go...
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Saying that my opinion doesn't matter based on my rep status is absurd. Your opinion on discrediting a supplement is useless - due to lack of research...
Ciao,
Valdez
Here ya go...
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Saying that my opinion doesn't matter based on my rep status is absurd. Your opinion on discrediting a supplement is useless - due to lack of research...
Ciao,
Valdez
BigRigg
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thebigt
Legend
you will get no arguement from me, endosurge is a dammed fine supplement...
i still am dying to try the:
formasurge/endosurge/fadogia/inhibit-p stack....the fadogia and inhibit-p are really cheap all the time, now if nutra runs a sale on formasrge i am all over it....already picked up 4 endosurge from the black fri sale!!!!
mr.cooper69
Legend
Ok:
1. Thermolife owns the patent for DAA.
2. There are now TWO human studies.
Your "fact-based opinion" (<- lol) pales in comparison to 2 fairly large human trials on DAA.
leprechaun1
Member
Had my blood levels done before and 4 days after a 50 day DAA run. Before-767; After-970. In addition, my appetite, sex drive and weight room performance all increase while I'm on DAA. Hands down the best supplement I've used and only topped by creatine in my book. Thought I'd throw my 2 pennies in here.
thebigt
Legend
Just go celibate for a month an save money
if you are taking a test booster because you want better sex....going celibate kinda defeats the purpose since you are having no sex at all.
hell man, even bad sex is better than no sex.
threeFs
Well-known member
Testboosters are a waste of money
How could you possibly say that after all I've been through? Don't you know that people like you and me are wrong about our opinions on this? DAA works because people belieeeeeve and there are stuuuudies. Even though it didn't raise my test levels.
And all this because I said DAA is bunk... Now it's funny to me
Go get 'em boys. Learn that whipper snapper something!
Greenhulk
Member
Just curious - does this have any relevance for other DAA products? Does this patent apply in the US only or worldwide? I ask because other DAA supplements are still being sold and I haven't noticed any changes in their price.
mr.cooper69
Legend
It should be US only, and things will not change on such a short time scale. But things will be different in the future.
BigMikeC
Member
I've used supplements with tons or research that were the latest craze and have been disapointed after using them. And the opposite where I've used supplements that were the under dog or had been written off and had great results. My point is EVERYBODY is different. Unfortunutyly its a trial and error game.
mrgoodbar0
New member
Just go celibate for a month an save money
Research has shown that works for 5-ish days, then tapers off. So really you should be having sex weekly for the best benefits.
mrgoodbar0
New member
He said go celibate for a month, my point was a month does nothing to help.
thebigt
Legend
this
thebigt
Legend
lol...i have been saying how good i-force fadogia is all thru this thread and you don't even mention it..........:trout: