Bench pressing in quarantine.

Smont said:
Hope everyone is having a great Easter, just logging some food,

Pasta/chicken meal

Coffee, Boston cream doughnut and a bite size Snickers.

1lb of ham and turkey, 2 baked potatoes gravy and butter.

(Trying not to puke)
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Noticing any nutrient partitioning yet?
 
manifesto said:
Noticing any nutrient partitioning yet?
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Idk, it's only been a couple days, usually after 2-3 weeks on sd I look like a completely different person tho so I hope that still happens but I might eat my way past the possibility of the body comp shift. I will say I'm without a doubt the "biggest" I've been in the past 6 years or so but I'm kinda fat and bloated. Not fat like a slob or sagging body fat but my abs are almost gone. I took a few pics early March. A few more as I started getting a little fatter a week or 2 after my gym closed when I slacked off and I will do more at the end of this month, I figure even if I'm a fat blob by then it will be the starting pic for my diet log lol
 
Smont said:
Now if you will excuse me I have a date with 6 Oreos
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Hahaha I'm hoping i get some partitioning with this DMZ...I'm just eating a little above maintenance right now, and I'm only on Day 3....so we will see
 
Morning weight 211.8

Just drank my 1000cal shake with the oats and stuff.

Found a unopened container of creatine monohydrate in my closet so I figure a extra 5 lbs of water weight might be beneficial for the next few weeks. Especially with all the extra carbs and sd. Threw 10gm in the shake.

Going to have some Greek yogurt and wallnuts for a pre workout snack at 10 then get a workout
 
How much is that bet worth?
 
No matter what anyone says, creatine is the gold standard ergogen for power output for a reason. For endurance type stuff, not worth it. But for someone looking to go for a max, single effort lift - it’s absolutely worth the cheap cost.
 
Yeah I’m amazed you weren’t already using it tbh. A kilo from NOW is like $14 tops on Amazon. Staple.
 
Hyde said:
Yeah I’m amazed you weren’t already using it tbh. A kilo from NOW is like $14 tops on Amazon. Staple.
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I was till I ran out 3ish weeks ago, then found more in my closet. Its one of those things I buy and use till it runs out, usually go like a month without it and then buy more.

So today I had that shake but without the peanut butter, just forgot to put it in. Then had 2 cups pasta with ham and kidney beans.
3/4 cup Greek yogurt and some wallnuts.

Gym
Face pulls with a band 2x20
BW chins 2x8
Threw on 20lbs of chains and some ankle weights and did 3x5
Cable high pull/facepull idk what to call it, upper back and rear delt 3x15
Hammer curls 2x10
Reverse bar curl 3x10
Standing db curl squeezing hard at the top 3x12

Crispy chicken value meal with a Coke from Burger King

2 meals to go
 
jswain34 said:
No matter what anyone says, creatine is the gold standard ergogen for power output for a reason. For endurance type stuff, not worth it. But for someone looking to go for a max, single effort lift - it’s absolutely worth the cheap cost.
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This. No reason not to use betaine too. And caffeine PWO. There’s some research suggesting that higher doses of caffeine may be needed to improve acute power output with higher % of 1-RM IIRC, so perhaps on your really heavy days, up the caffeine dose.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
This. No reason not to use betaine too. And caffeine PWO. There’s some research suggesting that higher doses of caffeine may be needed to improve acute power output with higher % of 1-RM IIRC, so perhaps on your really heavy days, up the caffeine dose.
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Lol, I drink Soo much coffee, like 5+ cups a day most days and a scoop or 2 of pre workout 4x week. Im actually trying to cut back on the caffeine. My stim tolerance is through the roof, I can drink half a pot of coffee and go to sleep
 
I've been looking for a new stim to replace caffeine with to see if something else will give me a jolt but I think I need a adrenal reset somehow
 
muscleupcrohn said:
This. No reason not to use betaine too. And caffeine PWO. There’s some research suggesting that higher doses of caffeine may be needed to improve acute power output with higher % of 1-RM IIRC, so perhaps on your really heavy days, up the caffeine dose.
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By the way, for the last however many years, when your name pops up in a thread, I always think it says muscleporn lol
 
Smont said:
I've been looking for a new stim to replace caffeine with to see if something else will give me a jolt but I think I need a adrenal reset somehow
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IIRC, studies show that people who consume high amounts of caffeine daily need more caffeine to get cognitive and ergogenic benefits from it, so when you do decide to go for that max, you may need more. Not every workout, but when you’re maxing, if you want to squeeze out every pound, probably worth trying IMO.

You try Theacrine and/or Dynamine? Neither can truly replace caffeine, but they both go well WITH it, allowing you to lower your caffeine intake and not suffer. Some nootropics could help too, like a good choline source, tyrosine, rhodiola, etc.
 
My pre workout has choline bitartrate and tyrosine, caffeine too. I have heard of theacrine but not dynamine. Il do some reading
 
Smont said:
My pre workout has choline bitartrate and tyrosine, caffeine too. I have heard of theacrine but not dynamine. Il do some reading
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Dynamine is supposed to be like Theacrine, but stronger over a shorter/faster duration, as compared to Theacrine, which doesn’t have the same peak/spike, but lasts longer. Neither can truly replace caffeine, but they go well with moderate amounts of caffeine.

What doses of choline and tyrosine does your PWO have? Because you really want ~2g of each choline Bitartrate and tyrosine ideally. 1g each as a MINIMUM for sure.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Dynamine is supposed to be like Theacrine, but stronger over a shorter/faster duration, as compared to Theacrine, which doesn’t have the same peak/spike, but lasts longer. Neither can truly replace caffeine, but they go well with moderate amounts of caffeine.

What doses of choline and tyrosine does your PWO have? Because you really want ~2g of each choline Bitartrate and tyrosine ideally. 1g each as a MINIMUM for sure.
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Not even close to those amounts, looks like the pre workout is supposed to be powered by caffeine, beta alanine and a mix of pump stuff all at clinical doses. The choline and tyrosine are part of a 255mg prop blend
 
Smont said:
Not even close to those amounts, looks like the pre workout is supposed to be powered by caffeine, beta alanine and a mix of pump stuff all at clinical doses. The choline and tyrosine are part of a 255mg prop blend
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Nootropics tend to be nothing more than label-dressing in most PWOs unfortunately, even when they’re otherwise properly-dosed. You can always buy them standalone to add to a PWO. That said, Alpha-GPC may be the preferred choline source for power output. 300mg is a good dose, although some research used 600mg. It’s pricier than Bitartrate, but needs a lower dose.

On Amazon, NOW sells Alpha-GPC at $0.33 per 300mg (caps), and Tyrosine for $0.12 per 750mg (caps). So 1 GPC cap and 2 tyrosine caps (1.5g is good enough IMO) and you’re at $0.57 for both, and no powders to measure. It’ll likely be cheaper with powders though.

Edit: tyrosine is ~$0.10 per 2g as powder from BulkSupplements on Amazon. And their choline Bitartrate is $0.05 per 2g from the same source. So you’re only at $0.15 per serving total, if you don’t mind using bulk powders.
 
That SD doing anything yet?
 
Smont said:
Yes it makes me feel stronger from day 1 but for full blown strength increase it takes me about 7&10 days and 2-3 weeks to visually see a difference. At least in the past
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Lol I dont know...I see all these reports about people noticing stuff on Day 1
 
manifesto said:
Lol I dont know...I see all these reports about people noticing stuff on Day 1
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Honestly, every steroid starts working day 1. Visual changes take time, sd can make dramatic changes in 3 weeks, but you need to be on something else with it for a much longer time to make those gains stick. Ppl say 20 lbs in a month with sd, a lot of it is water and glycogen. But having that in your muscles can make you push harder and heavier leading to the real gains down the road. That's why 4 weeks on orals only suck. Cus 3-4 weeks later it's gone. You can't build much real tissue in only 3-4 weeks. That's the cosmetic effects. Whatever strength and size I gain in the next 3 weeks is only going to stick if I spend another x amount of weeks busting ass.

That's why I think it's such a terrible idea to start cutting right after a bulking cycle.
 
Once I hit my goal, I'm going to re-establish my maintenance calories for my new bodyweight, stick with those calories, keep pushing hard and slowly add cardio
 
I'm scared to bulk like that because I'm afraid I will not be able to regain my diet discipline after...
 
Muscleup has made some great points.

You can cut back on caff now as long as you find you can train sufficiently hard - your bench training must be sacred right now. That being said, the only time you need to megadose the caffeine is when you go to PR - THAT is when maximal supercharging is required. Plenty of guys cut down on stims when peaking, then hit 600mg+ other noots and or stims on meet day.

L-Theanine can greatly smooth out titanic stim doses if you are trying to tolerate more when you go to PR, btw.

BK 2 for $6 was my bulk go-to if appetite was dead. Add a can of sugar soda at the house and an easy 1,600+ calories from the spicy chicken sandwiches. Make sure you have a Tum handy.
 
manifesto said:
I'm scared to bulk like that because I'm afraid I will not be able to regain my diet discipline after...
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I'm also worried about that, I have a binge eating problem, especially late night with junk food. I never get fat by general public standards but it definitely keeps me fatter then I'd like year round. I haven't dieted hard in over 6 years. Luckily I'm not going for a strict diet right after. I'm just going maintenance and will slowly swap out foods as I up the cardio. And seeing how I'm at zero cardio right now it's gonna be a long process. I will definitely not see a beach body this year
 
Hyde said:
Muscleup has made some great points.

You can cut back on caff now as long as you find you can train sufficiently hard - your bench training must be sacred right now. That being said, the only time you need to megadose the caffeine is when you go to PR - THAT is when maximal supercharging is required. Plenty of guys cut down on stims when peaking, then hit 600mg+ other noots and or stims on meet day.

L-Theanine can greatly smooth out titanic stim doses if you are trying to tolerate more when you go to PR, btw.

BK 2 for $6 was my bulk go-to if appetite was dead. Add a can of sugar soda at the house and an easy 1,600+ calories from the spicy chicken sandwiches. Make sure you have a Tum handy.
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The 2 for 6 is what I went looking for but I completely got side tracked by the kids and ordered the meal.
 
Hyde said:
Muscleup has made some great points.

You can cut back on caff now as long as you find you can train sufficiently hard - your bench training must be sacred right now. That being said, the only time you need to megadose the caffeine is when you go to PR - THAT is when maximal supercharging is required. Plenty of guys cut down on stims when peaking, then hit 600mg+ other noots and or stims on meet day.

L-Theanine can greatly smooth out titanic stim doses if you are trying to tolerate more when you go to PR, btw.

BK 2 for $6 was my bulk go-to if appetite was dead. Add a can of sugar soda at the house and an easy 1,600+ calories from the spicy chicken sandwiches. Make sure you have a Tum handy.
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And the heartburn and gas has been something serious the past 3 days
 
Sooo something weird I've been noticing, I'm getting bigger without a doubt, my shirts are tight, waist is a tiny bit bigger but still on the same belt loop. But I don't really look fatter, maybe a little. Definitely a little bloated, but I don't really look more muscular either, just a bigger wider version of myself.
And, I have naturally oily skin but I almost have like a light tanned sheen to my skin now. Looks like I've been out in the sun. Someone asked if I've been tanning and that my skin looks nice. Weird
 
Pepto Tabs and Tums are pretty helpful with harsh orals and a trash diet.

Also, try to eat as little trash as possible. Don’t eat fast food, sugar or trash oils if you don’t find the need to just because you can. Save them for when appetite is just awful. Milk or real juice is preferable to soda & fructose obviously.

There’s a lot of cleaner foods to help stack up the calories. I know Luke Sandoe is big on blending a ton of plane rice krispy cereal in his post WO shakes. Granola in all of your Greek yogurt, I know you are already doing nuts and trail mix/dried fruit. Olive oil on anything, cooking in avocado oil and smearing guacamole on things like homemade burgers can be nice way to add healthier fats for your poor arteries.

White processed breads like sourdough bread, tortillas, potato buns and added shredded cheese with ground or pulled meats is a great way to get macros & calories in. Lots of homemade burritos and burgers.

It’s kind of a sliding scale from clean to trash based on what you can repeatedly do.
 
Oh ya, morning weight was 211.8, night weight is 216.4, still might squeeze in another meal. Took a mid day nap so il probably be up late
 
Hyde said:
Pepto Tabs and Tums are pretty helpful with harsh orals and a trash diet.

Also, try to eat as little trash as possible. Don’t eat fast food, sugar or trash oils if you don’t find the need to just because you can. Save them for when appetite is just awful. Milk or real juice is preferable to soda & fructose obviously.

There’s a lot of cleaner foods to help stack up the calories. I know Luke Sandoe is big on blending a ton of plane rice krispy cereal in his post WO shakes. Granola in all of your Greek yogurt, I know you are already doing nuts and trail mix/dried fruit. Olive oil on anything, cooking in avocado oil and smearing guacamole on things like homemade burgers can be nice way to add healthier fats for your poor arteries.

White processed breads like sourdough bread, tortillas, potato buns and added shredded cheese with ground or pulled meats is a great way to get macros & calories in. Lots of homemade burritos and burgers.

It’s kind of a sliding scale from clean to trash based on what you can repeatedly do.
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Ya I'm eating about 3000 calories from what I consider good foods.
Meat, milk, rice, potatoes, pasta, beans, butter, grape seed and olive oil. Today's soda I think was the first time this month I had a beverage other then water milk or coffee. I've had 3 meals and 3 deserts that I would consider absolute crap over 6 days. 6 of my last 36 meals were junk if memory serves me correctly, I got it all written down.
 
Smont said:
Ya yesterday was rough, after 3000 of real food I couldn't look forward to anything else I ate. What I'm going to try is eating as much good food as I can handle (around 3000cal) and use the fast food and deserts to push to 4000. That shake I made for breakfast was the easiest 1000 Cal I ever had. Took 1 min to drink
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Oh I wish this could be me lol. The more I eat, the more I love food.
 
Meal 1. 1 cup rice crispy, 1 banana, 4 tbsp peanut butter, 1 scoop whey, 12oz milk, 1/4tsp cinnamon. All blended, tasted great.

Took most my days vitamins and 10mg sd with breakfast cus it's going to be a busy day. Have to go fix a ceiling, while the repairs dry I gotta take a 40 min ride to pick up some weights, drive home, back to the ceiling job to sand and paint, back home to start dinner, gym blah blah ect.

Busy day
 
Off to a ruff start today, haven't got a second meal yet, drank 4 coffees. Going double up on my next meal
 
Ur a coffee drinking machine
 
Smont said:
Ya, I replaced alcohol with coffee. Don't do much for me, just kinda fills the void of not having a drink in my hand lol
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Yeah, I catch myself doing the same thing...but if I drink alot of coffee I get the jitters and almost an anxiety attack lol
 
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