Bench pressing in quarantine.

[Smont]

Used it twice, still stand by it. I know enough now to probably avoid injury (AMRAP needs to be cut when form is deteriorating, not go til you fucking die), but you need to eat and rest for that program.

It works.

You need to be gaining weight right now if you are serious. Drop lower body to one easier day per week and 2 upper days with a lot of specific work. Take an oral for the next 3 weeks. Eat like a fatass. This all works together and makes a big difference.

Soooooo your saying take superdrol, eat everything in the house and skip leg day? Someone might think I paid you to say that lol.

I did just start taking synergen which is td dienolone and epiandro. Grabbed a couple bottles for cheap but from my understanding it takes time and is not too dramatic at the doses I have enough for. I also have 35ish 30mg m1a caps and a bunch of 10mg superdrol caps. I was planning on saving the orals for down the road but after seeing you say what you did and my buddy said go balls out and do some tren ace and 30mg superdrol (which I'm not doing) maybe the dienolone at 75mg and sd at 20 would fit this bill. Keep in mind I was planning on bumping test and eq to 450 each this week.

450 test
450 eq
75 per day dienolone
20 per day superdrol.

That's what I would be looking at for the next 3 weeks and then drop sd.

Seems like a lot of stuff to be taking.

At least it's a lot for me.

I looked over many routine the past few days and doing a modified version of predator for pushing days. Pulling days will have one with deadlifts and one with squats. That's it for legs for the time being. And I started off today with 4 eggs, 4 strips bacon,2 slices of cheese, 2 bagels, oj and coffee. I'm going to push the calories and try not to overcomplicate things for once.

I picked up a job painting a condo so I've been a little busy.

I'm off today tho so after 1 more meal I'm heading for a workout

 

[jswain34]

If youre gonna use predator make sure that Heavy day on week 6 is 8-10 days away from when youre going to try and max. I dont know if you have enough time for that program to really build up a ton of fatigue to allow for supercompensation, but we’ll see how it goes!

I know fuk all about PEDS compared to a majority on this forum so im gonna sit on the sideline for that part.

Edit: do you have a date or a date range set as to when you plan on going for the max attempt?

 

[Smont]

If youre gonna use predator make sure that Heavy day on week 6 is 8-10 days away from when youre going to try and max. I dont know if you have enough time for that program to really build up a ton of fatigue to allow for supercompensation, but we’ll see how it goes!

I know fuk all about PEDS compared to a majority on this forum so im gonna sit on the sideline for that part.

Edit: do you have a date or a date range set as to when you plan on going for the max attempt?

The reason I'm not diving all in on a program is because I know there's not enough time for it to work. I'm trying to keep things similar to what I've been doing but implement stuff from the program. I've been on a push pull with a little legs on pull day so I can keep it similar but add the pressing portion and start using percentages to know what weights I should be doing. I will give this program a full on go after this max out. There's not a set date so I have that as a slight advantage. It should be the first week of may on whatever day we can get together. And I added the stipulation that I get 5 days notice so at bare minimum il have 5 days rest.

 

[SkRaw85]

When I had disc issues and didn’t squat or dead I took my bench from 385 to 405 using a very crude and simple conjugate method. I added 20 lbs in 1 month 2 days. The clock is ticking lol

 

[SkRaw85]

When I had disc issues and didn’t squat or dead I took my bench from 385 to 405 using a very crude and simple conjugate method. I added 20 lbs in 1 month 2 days. The clock is ticking lol

Correction, 27 days.

 

[manifesto]

Soooooo your saying take superdrol, eat everything in the house and skip leg day? Someone might think I paid you to say that lol.

I did just start taking synergen which is td dienolone and epiandro. Grabbed a couple bottles for cheap but from my understanding it takes time and is not too dramatic at the doses I have enough for. I also have 35ish 30mg m1a caps and a bunch of 10mg superdrol caps. I was planning on saving the orals for down the road but after seeing you say what you did and my buddy said go balls out and do some tren ace and 30mg superdrol (which I'm not doing) maybe the dienolone at 75mg and sd at 20 would fit this bill. Keep in mind I was planning on bumping test and eq to 450 each this week.

450 test
450 eq
75 per day dienolone
20 per day superdrol.

That's what I would be looking at for the next 3 weeks and then drop sd.

Seems like a lot of stuff to be taking.

At least it's a lot for me.

I looked over many routine the past few days and doing a modified version of predator for pushing days. Pulling days will have one with deadlifts and one with squats. That's it for legs for the time being. And I started off today with 4 eggs, 4 strips bacon,2 slices of cheese, 2 bagels, oj and coffee. I'm going to push the calories and try not to overcomplicate things for once.

I picked up a job painting a condo so I've been a little busy.

I'm off today tho so after 1 more meal I'm heading for a workout

Remember when I asked about the temptation to start the SD? Lmao

 

[Smont]

Remember when I asked about the temptation to start the SD? Lmao

I knew you would be commenting as soon as I said superdrol lol. I almost started by saying looks like manifesto wins, back on sd it is.

 

[manifesto]

Haha all good brother...I'm starting some DMZ today...I need something to keep me busy, or else I'll get bored and starting drinking beers.

Going to run
200 test cyp
30-45 Dmz
10 Cardarine

 

[Smont]

When I had disc issues and didn’t squat or dead I took my bench from 385 to 405 using a very crude and simple conjugate method. I added 20 lbs in 1 month 2 days. The clock is ticking lol

I've kinda noticed in the past that the simplest heavy workouts make me the strongest. But it always kinda happens on accident. I've haven't tried a straight strength program in over 10 years, or followed a program without changing it either.

 

[Smont]

Haha all good brother...I'm starting some DMZ today...I need something to keep me busy, or else I'll get bored and starting drinking beers.

Going to run
200 test cyp
30-45 Dmz
10 Cardarine

Nice. I like dmz but at higher doses. For some reason I need really high doses of orals. Superdrol is one of the few oral I don't need to double down on

 

[Smont]

Dmz I need 45+
Msten I need 30+


But sd I'm good at 20-30
Winny 50
Anadrol 50-75
Ect.


Lots of guys talk about how strong m1a is. I get nothing till 60mg and it's just strength, no size. At 90 I got insane pumps and stronger within days but had horrible headaches so I quit after 5 days or so

 

[manifesto]

Nice. I like dmz but at higher doses. For some reason I need really high doses of orals. Superdrol is one of the few oral I don't need to double down on

Yeah, I'll play it by ear....you and I have alot in common..age/build and heavy drinking in the past haha..your alot stronger than me though.

This will be my first oral cycle in a long long time, aside from some Proviron here and there. So, hopefully my receptors will be ready to roll with a low dose.

 

[Smont]

Yeah, I'll play it by ear....you and I have alot in common..age/build and heavy drinking in the past haha..your alot stronger than me though.

This will be my first oral cycle in a long long time, aside from some Proviron here and there. So, hopefully my receptors will be ready to roll with a low dose.

That dose is fine for most ppl. I actually don't use any prescription pain killers because just like oral steroids I need a super high dose for them to work. And that's not a built up tolerance, it was from day 1. I just think my body breaks down and destroys everything I ingest

 

[manifesto]

That dose is fine for most ppl. I actually don't use any prescription pain killers because just like oral steroids I need a super high dose for them to work. And that's not a built up tolerance, it was from day 1. I just think my body breaks down and destroys everything I ingest

Yeah, sounds like it...

Dude on a side note, I didnt realize how legit Cialis is for BP control...I normally have been sitting around 130/80...

I took 10mg yesterday, and this morning I was at 110/70....this is gonna be perfect for my DMZ cycle...I'll probably just dose around 3 times a week, so I dont dip so low.

 

[Smont]

Yeah, sounds like it...

Dude on a side note, I didnt realize how legit Cialis is for BP control...I normally have been sitting around 130/80...

I took 10mg yesterday, and this morning I was at 110/70....this is gonna be perfect for my DMZ cycle...I'll probably just dose around 3 times a week, so I dont dip so low.

If it's liquid try 2.5-5mg daily. Otherwise 10mg Monday Wednesday Friday

 

[manifesto]

If it's liquid try 2.5-5mg daily. Otherwise 10mg Monday Wednesday Friday

It's from the same source you use...that legit dude

 

[Smont]

Yeah, sounds like it...

Dude on a side note, I didnt realize how legit Cialis is for BP control...I normally have been sitting around 130/80...

I took 10mg yesterday, and this morning I was at 110/70....this is gonna be perfect for my DMZ cycle...I'll probably just dose around 3 times a week, so I dont dip so low.

If it's liquid try 2.5-5mg daily. Otherwise 10mg Monday Wednesday Friday

 

[Smont]

It's from the same source you use...that legit dude

Ok so ya, it's a pain in the ass to pick that dose apart, 10mg 3xweek is probably your best bet

 

[Smont]

It's from the same source you use...that legit dude

Ok so ya, it's a pain in the ass to pick that dose apart, 10mg 3xweek is probably your best bet

 

[Smont]

Doing a press workout now, bench percentage is 50-70% based on a 350 max then down to 60% for some closegrip and some other stuff. Il fill in the blanks when I finish

 

[manifesto]

Doing a press workout now, bench percentage is 50-70% based on a 350 max then down to 60% for some closegrip and some other stuff. Il fill in the blanks when I finish

Kill it!!!

 

[jswain34]

That dose is fine for most ppl. I actually don't use any prescription pain killers because just like oral steroids I need a super high dose for them to work. And that's not a built up tolerance, it was from day 1. I just think my body breaks down and destroys everything I ingest

There is a genetic heterogeneity of some of the CYP enzymes (family of enzymes responsible for a TON of drug metabolism) that can lead to some people needing higher doses of some prescription opioids like Hydrocodone. Wouldnt be surprised if youre a “supermetabolizer” of them.

 

[jswain34]

Double post

 

[Smont]

There is a genetic heterogeneity of some of the CYP enzymes (family of enzymes responsible for a TON of drug metabolism) that can lead to some people needing higher doses of some prescription opioids like Hydrocodone. Wouldnt be surprised if youre a “supermetabolizer” of them.

Makes sense to me. When I broke my ankles a started eating them perks like candy on the first day thinking wtf these suck. I noticed I actually felt sick before the pain would go away because I ate Soo many. So I sold them all. Had a nice second income for about a year lol.

This workout is kicking my ass and I toned it down.

 

[Smont]

That was the hardest I pushed myself in months.

Because I had no spot, on sets that were supposed to go to failure I went as close as I could, racked the weight for 10 seconds and squeezed out another rep or 2.

For shoulder press I cleaned the weights before pressing too.

Not going to list every set as there were lots of warm ups but here's the bulk of it


Flat bench 245x11
Close grip 210x10,8,7
Overhead press 145x6
Db skull krushers 20'sx25,25,23
Light cable flys superset-pushups.

There were 6 or 7 various warm up sets through the workout.

Probably should be taking longer rest periods. I was going as soon as I felt good, less then 2 min tops on presses. 1min tops on everything else.

Post workout Had 6oz fatty corned beef, home made Mac and cheese (smoked gouda and mozzarella on shells)
Half a can of peas, eaa's mixed with water.

 

[Smont]

I'm going to do 20mg sd on rest days, 30 on training days for the next 3 weeks too. That should get everything cranking in the right direction

 

[manifesto]

I'm going to do 20mg sd on rest days, 30 on training days for the next 3 weeks too. That should get everything cranking in the right direction

Sounds awesome...

You taking any supports supps?

 

[Smont]

Sounds awesome...

You taking any supports supps?

I take my regular stuff. Baby aspirin, tumeric, garlic, coq10, vd, fish oil and I might throw in cardarine in at 10mg before bed to use up a little I have leftover. If I can find some nac at the store il throw that in too but liver values are never a concern for me. I'm more worried about the cardiovascular effects

 

[manifesto]

Yeah, same here that's why I went with the Cardarine...

Do you think it's important to separate the support supps from the SD? I always get mixed answers on this.

 

[Smont]

Yeah, same here that's why I went with the Cardarine...

Do you think it's important to separate the support supps from the SD? I always get mixed answers on this.

I don't think it really matters but I'm not 100% sure. I usually take the bulk of my vitamins and stuff with breakfast, and 1/2 the oral dose for the day. The rest of the dose I take pre-workout and then my fish oils with my last meal.

 

[Hyde]

If someone was going to kill my family if I didn’t bench X in 3-4 weeks, I would:

Take as many drugs as I felt I could physically handle, especially orals.

Eat literally as many calories as I could every day, blending mass shakes and drinking calories in every liquid (carb powders, soda, juice, milk only) because appetite would be nil. Force feeding is mandatory.

Press 3 times a week initially, then twice, following a peaking protocol. I would stop ALL lower body training. Nothing beyond walks and maybe some jumps lol.

Try not to have a heart attack and pray my tendons or muscles don’t tear or rupture from the drugs, and take prehab and mobility super seriously.

You have to understand androgens disproportionately bind to upper body muscles more than lower due to greater receptor density. More drugs=more water, muscle, neurological supercharging. Even pure bodyfat is extra leverage to pile up. A grossly fat belly means greater stability on the bench and thus better power transfer. Bigger lats and triceps mean more energy storage at the bottom. Bigger biceps and forearms mean more shock absorption when the bar comes down. Bigger back and chest mean a shorter stroke to press to lockout.

There’s a reason all of the bench world records are by guys with enormous upper bodies relative to their weightclass.

 

[Smont]

If someone was going to kill my family if I didn’t bench X in 3-4 weeks, I would:

Take as many drugs as I felt I could physically handle, especially orals.

Eat literally as many calories as I could every day, blending mass shakes and drinking calories in every liquid (carb powders, soda, juice, milk only) because appetite would be nil. Force feeding is mandatory.

Press 3 times a week initially, then twice, following a peaking protocol. I would stop ALL lower body training. Nothing beyond walks and maybe some jumps lol.

Try not to have a heart attack and pray my tendons or muscles don’t tear or rupture from the drugs, and take prehab and mobility super seriously.

You have to understand androgens disproportionately bind to upper body muscles more than lower due to greater receptor density. More drugs=more water, muscle, neurological supercharging. Even pure bodyfat is extra leverage to pile up. A grossly fat belly means greater stability on the bench and thus better power transfer. Bigger lats and triceps mean more energy storage at the bottom. Bigger biceps and forearms mean more shock absorption when the bar comes down. Bigger back and chest mean a shorter stroke to press to lockout.

There’s a reason all of the bench world records are by guys with enormous upper bodies relative to their weightclass.

I'm not going to get that crazy cus I definitely think I'm within striking distance. I upped my cycle to 450 test, 450eq, 75mg dienolone daily, 20-30mg sd daily. 5 days out I can add a deadly dose of m1a if I need it for that last boost if I'm worried.

I'm definitely going to keep smashing calories.

Today's menu was

Bacon eggs cheese bagels, oj

A shake with whey bananas and peanut butter and milk

Corned beef, Mac and cheese, peas, milk

Pasta with chicken

Keilbasa, baked beans and biscuits

And I still got 1 meal to go.



Going to turn that shake into 1000 calories and snack on yougurt and wallnuts between meals as well

 

[Smont]

I'd like to eat more carbs and less fat but for the purpose of weight gain I'm just shoveling calories

 

[manifesto]

You still staying away from the AI with the higher test dosage?

 

[Smont]

You still staying away from the AI with the higher test dosage?

I only use a ai when needed

 

[Smont]

If my nipples aren't puffy or sore, or some kind of estrogen related side doesn't show then I leave it alone. At the most I might do 10mg nolva EOD as a precaution. Then if I need something more il add exemestane.

I like having estrogen as high as I can as long as there's no issues

 

[Smont]

If it ain't broke I don't try to fix it

 

[manifesto]

If my nipples aren't puffy or sore, or some kind of estrogen related side doesn't show then I leave it alone. At the most I might do 10mg nolva EOD as a precaution. Then if I need something more il add exemestane.

I like having estrogen as high as I can as long as there's no issues

My back was breaking out like crazy when I was up around 400 test...I always thought it was estrogen elevated but it never really went above 50....

Its stills breaking out now at TRT doses....so who knows...I just got bloods to check DHT levels. I'm wondering if this may be the cause

 

[Smont]

My back was breaking out like crazy when I was up around 400 test...I always thought it was estrogen elevated but it never really went above 50....

Its stills breaking out now at TRT doses....so who knows...I just got bloods to check DHT levels. I'm wondering if this may be the cause

Back and shoulder acne is always a problem for me. I've finally got a system that keeps it away. I inject 3x week, alternate salicylic acid and benzyl alcohol during my showers on the areas and put vitamin e lotion on after the shower.

 

[manifesto]

Back and shoulder acne is always a problem for me. I've finally got a system that keeps it away. I inject 3x week, alternate salicylic acid and benzyl alcohol during my showers on the areas and put vitamin e lotion on after the shower.

That's a good call. I'm going to start splitting up my doses more. I just get lazy sometimes.

 

[Smont]

That's a good call. I'm going to start splitting up my doses more. I just get lazy sometimes.

I'm guilty of that too. I aim for Monday Wednesday and Friday, Once the cycle ends il drop to 150mg every Sunday

 

[manifesto]

When you ran DMZ in the past, do u remember how long it took to kick in?

 

[Smont]

When you ran DMZ in the past, do u remember how long it took to kick in?

I notice most orals working in a matter of days, I can't pinpoint dmz but less then a week I'm stronger and getting better pumps on pretty much anything if I got the dose right

 

[manifesto]

I'm tempted to start at 45 but I should probably resist this huh .....damnit I'm impatient

 

[Smont]

I'm tempted to start at 45 but I should probably resist this huh .....damnit I'm impatient

That's completely up to you. If you haven't used anything in a long time or it's your first time on dmz start at 30.

Any time I try something new, I look around to see what ppl say is the lowest effective dose and that's where I start for a week or 2

 

[Hyde]

I personally think the anabolic protocol you’re going with should be plenty sufficient. The food is absolutely as important, maybe more so. Try to enjoy it now for as long as you can. And understand you’re going to gain some fat, but you can lose it after. The body is also equipped to deal with a mega surplus fairly admirably for the first couple weeks, which has been proven in human studies.

I would not advise killing yourself with drugs or dropping lower body completely, just trying to explain what can be done if someone is taking all of the stops out & going for broke. This is for fun.

I'm tempted to start at 45 but I should probably resist this huh .....damnit I'm impatient

Try 30 for like 5 days and when you feel good you can bump. But starting lower let’s your bp accommodate easier I’ve found.

 

[Smont]

So I have been writing down all my food but not actually counting the calories, today I'm writing down all my macros instead just to get a better idea.

I'm 2 meals in today and sitting at 1345 calories, I have 2 more solid food meals and a 1000 calorie shake to go that should put me at what I predict will be 3800 plus whatever extra calories are in my coffees and condiments. Looking like 4000 today. I was looking through my notes and doing some math and over the course of last week I averaged 3218 calories per day, it's probably a little higher because I didn't track condiments and the cream in my coffees.

So I'm making it a goal to hit 4000 per day for the next week and working up to 5000.

Going to buy some junk food to make it easier.

 

[Smont]

@Hyde ya I'm not worried about putting on some fat. I just wanna hit this 350 bench. It's a good stepping stone to my long term goal of 400

 

[Smont]

I will say I had my girl, my cousin and my father all make a comment over the past few days that I look like I keep getting bigger. Scale weight is only up 1.8lbs this month as of today. so I'd like to think I'm gaining some muscle and loosing a little fat. 209.8 lbs

I'd like to get to 215-220

I have not been 215 lbs in over 5 years

 

[manifesto]

I will say I had my girl, my cousin and my father all make a comment over the past few days that I look like I keep getting bigger. Scale weight is only up 1.8lbs this month as of today. so I'd like to think I'm gaining some muscle and loosing a little fat. 209.8 lbs

I'd like to get to 215-220

I have not been 215 lbs in over 5 years

You better get this record...so I can say I'm onlline friends with a record holder in bench press.

Also, sorry to hijack with my dmz questions.