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yes but l can sell sell you very deadly poisons and label them household cleaners and that's ok. See what l mean. None of the products l buy come with any claims and all the ones l purchase come with strict warning on their labels l dont see how they are banned before Cigarettes.

I am not arguing against you, but please see my point. Yes, they can sell us deadly poisons and label them cleaners but those cleaners have disclaimers on the label that say that they are poisonous or do not ingest, may cause sickness or death.

Cigs are clearly labeled as products that can be harmful to your health. And, there are many steroids out that never even came close to having a label on them that said anything close to "may cause libido issues, gyno, high blood pressure, etc, etc....


Here is a direct quote from the original AX pheraplex...

As a dietary supplement, take 1-2 capsules daily
WARNING: Men under the age of 21, women, and children should not use this product. Store in a cool, dry place, tightly closed...



That says NOTHING about side effects, cholesterol raising, libido issues, prostate issues, gyno, nose bleeds, hair loss, etc.

Yes, you and I know what it can cause, but it needs to be ON THE LABEL; however, it cannot be put on there in actuality because that would mean it probably could not be sold as a dietary supplement.
 
This is a copy of the email l sent to the FDA the email address is [email protected] send them your opinion of their stupidity. Here is the email l sent;

Great so instead of cleaning up the tobacco industry and the fast food
industry which are the 2 main reasons your country has health care
problems you go after the health food industry and target bodybuilding
supplements. WHAT A MAJOR FAILURE OF YOUR RESOURCES . When are going
to do something that will really make a difference when you stop
pandering to the tobacco companies and fast food companies.
 
yes a drug used to be a classification of unnatural substances like chemotherapy, heroin and cocaine cannot be reproduced in the body. Hormones like nandrolone and testosterone can be found naturally in the body for example. l am not saying all ph's are naturally found in the body Tren for example is not.

once again, I am not TOTALLY disagreeing with your stance,I can understand it completely, please see my view points also.
 
exactly my point. people are getting paranoid about going to jail for a substance they were told was legal and purchased from a legitimate site? they are releasing prisoners every day for lack of room, and they are going to bust us for buying supposedly legal substances? everyone on here knows there are many sites that cater to illegal substances, going after ph's and legitimate sites is nothing more than blowing smoke. let them come and get me, i want to be in on the law suits if they pursue this mickey mouse bullshiit. the government thrives on scare tactics and this is nothing more than an effort to intimidate.

I wasn't the one that said they were going to come after the "mickey mousers", I only stated and my point was that it would not be a hard to accomplish and that I have been involved in this type of BS before...
 
This is a copy of the email l sent to the FDA the email address is [email protected] send them your opinion of their stupidity. Here is the email l sent;

Great so instead of cleaning up the tobacco industry and the fast food
industry which are the 2 main reasons your country has health care
problems you go after the health food industry and target bodybuilding
supplements. WHAT A MAJOR FAILURE OF YOUR RESOURCES . When are going
to do something that will really make a difference when you stop
pandering to the tobacco companies and fast food companies.
Diversion and blame shifting. This is not about tobacco or fast food or alcohol. This is about illegal steroids being sold and marketed OTC as nutritional health supplements.

You make it sound like those of us who support what the FDA is doing are opposed to anabolics. Far from it. We are opposed to greedy, unethical, unscrupulous illegal steroid manufacturers and importers of lying, deceiving and misleading their customers on their way to the bank!
 
I am not arguing against you, but please see my point. Yes, they can sell us deadly poisons and label them cleaners but those cleaners have disclaimers on the label that say that they are poisonous or do not ingest, may cause sickness or death.

Cigs are clearly labeled as products that can be harmful to your health. And, there are many steroids out that never even came close to having a label on them that said anything close to "may cause libido issues, gyno, high blood pressure, etc, etc....


Here is a direct quote from the original AX pheraplex...

As a dietary supplement, take 1-2 capsules daily
WARNING: Men under the age of 21, women, and children should not use this product. Store in a cool, dry place, tightly closed...



That says NOTHING about side effects, cholesterol raising, libido issues, prostate issues, gyno, nose bleeds, hair loss, etc.

Yes, you and I know what it can cause, but it needs to be ON THE LABEL; however, it cannot be put on there in actuality because that would mean it probably could not be sold as a dietary supplement.

l know but does smoking will kill you and give you lung cancer and gang green and retard the growth of your baby sound like thats ok to sell to someone for any reason?
 
Diversion and blame shifting. This is not about tobacco or fast food or alcohol. This is about illegal steroids being sold and marketed OTC as nutritional health supplements.

You make it sound like those of us who support what the FDA is doing are opposed to anabolics. Far from it. We are opposed to greedy, unethical, unscrupulous illegal steroid manufacturers and importers of lying, deceiving and misleading their customers on their way to the bank!

Well it is still a more pure version than the 10 ml vials going around every gym in every country l bet not to mention cheaper, the lab results showed that every label had exactly what is said it had in it. Have you read that thread yet?

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/136219-results-fda-supplement.html
 
l know but does smoking will kill you and give you lung cancer and gang green and retard the growth of your baby sound like thats ok to sell to someone for any reason?

Once again, health risks are made clear on the label. That is what the FDA asked them to do and they did that. Remember when there were no warnings on the label. I HIGHLY doubt that the label I posted from pp vs what is on a cig/tobacco label can be compared equally...

Ok, here's a great idea. Let's drop the "can't cause gyno, does not aromatize, does not screw up lipids, prostate, etc", from every single representatives mouth whom represents a steroid manufacturer and just say that these products may cause all of these issues, ingest at your own risk.

And, for the life of me, quit using the good ol bro logs at PROOF that a steroid is not harmful....hell, you cannot EVEN TRUST the bro logs now a days.
 
Well it is still a more pure version than the 10 ml vials going around every gym in every country l bet not to mention cheaper, the lab results showed that every label had exactly what is said it had in it. Have you read that thread yet?

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/136219-results-fda-supplement.html

That are THOSE. This says nothing about the companies from yesterday(yrs in the past) that screwed us all...AX has gone submarine all of a sudden. Even their own forum is ghost and they all know why...scum bags...no wonder some of their products worked well...ALRI has and will always be #1 scum bag company for what they tried and DID do...KNOWINGLY. I wont' even discuss fast action. WOW!

And, once again, just because the label says what is in it does not excuse the fact that it has nothing on there that states the aforementioned phrases which I posted earlier.

Just because somebody apologizes and corrects the "mistakes" does not mean that they didn't intend to do it in the beginning. I'd apologize also after I have sold 10,000+ bottles of a tainted product....doesn't change my bank account much...
 
Once again, health risks are made clear on the label. That is what the FDA asked them to do and they did that. Remember when there were no warnings on the label. I HIGHLY doubt that the label I posted from pp vs what is on a cig/tobacco label can be compared equally...

Ok, here's a great idea. Let's drop the "can't cause gyno, does not aromatize, does not screw up lipids, prostate, etc", from every single representatives mouth whom represents a steroid manufacturer and just say that these products may cause all of these issues, ingest at your own risk.

And, for the life of me, quit using the good ol bro logs at PROOF that a steroid is not harmful....hell, you cannot EVEN TRUST the bro logs now a days.

l am not sure you and l are having the same argument my point is pushing people underground creates unneccessary black market and l agree with the labeling but that is not what this is about there are more important issues 1 and 2 the FDA want to ban all supplements this is just the back door they are using to go look we are right lets take a look at all the other supplements out there and ban them all until we determine if they are safe.
 
l am not sure you and l are having the same argument my point is pushing people underground creates unneccessary black market and l agree with the labeling but that is not what this is about there are more important issues 1 and 2 the FDA want to ban all supplements this is just the back door they are using to go look we are right lets take a look at all the other supplements out there and ban them all until we determine if they are safe.

I know that we are talking about different issues. This is why I posted earlier in the thread that I understand YOUR POINT, but please see my stance on the matter....:cheers:
 
That are THOSE. This says nothing about the companies from yesterday(yrs in the past) that screwed us all...AX has gone submarine all of a sudden. Even their own forum is ghost and they all know why...scum bags...no wonder some of their products worked well...ALRI has and will always be #1 scum bag company for what they tried and DID do...KNOWINGLY. I wont' even discuss fast action. WOW!

And, once again, just because the label says what is in it does not excuse the fact that it has nothing on there that states the aforementioned phrases which I posted earlier.

Just because somebody apologizes and corrects the "mistakes" does not mean that they didn't intend to do it in the beginning. I'd apologize also after I have sold 10,000+ bottles of a tainted product....doesn't change my bank account much...

what did AX do? l do my research and get my bloods done and PCT etc.
 
Diversion and blame shifting. This is not about tobacco or fast food or alcohol. This is about illegal steroids being sold and marketed OTC as nutritional health supplements.

You make it sound like those of us who support what the FDA is doing are opposed to anabolics. Far from it. We are opposed to greedy, unethical, unscrupulous illegal steroid manufacturers and importers of lying, deceiving and misleading their customers on their way to the bank!

my point was is this issue more important to peoples health than cigarettes and lard?
very few people actually buy these supplements only people who train and eat healthy usually. these supplements are by no means killing anyone as fast as cigaretes but people are so brainwashed in America that cigarettes are still acceptable as having automatic guns, in your home you people are selling crack and Meth and all thew fda can waste their time on is a few supps are you kidding me?
 
what did AX do? l do my research and get my bloods done and PCT etc.

You gotta check around bb.com.

Apparently they had tainted products, BUT THAT IS FROM THE TESTING.

Right now, I am going to hold off before I completely pass judgment.

But, it's not looking very good at this point. Especially since the forum over there went ghost.

EDIT: I'll retract my "scum bag" statement for AX until I hear exactly what was in their products.
 
my point was is this issue more important to peoples health than cigarettes and lard?
very few people actually buy these supplements only people who train and eat healthy usually. these supplements are by no means killing anyone as fast as cigaretes but people are so brainwashed in America that cigarettes are still acceptable as having automatic guns, in your home you people are selling crack and Meth and all thew fda can waste their time on is a few supps are you kidding me?

Crack dealers and meth dealers are being taken in at alarming rates. This jails and prisons are over crowded right now. Have you seen the latest drug raids? They make the raid on BB look like a day in the amusement park. You can't say that the fda/government are not putting effort towards drug dealings. They probably are NOT putting forth an ALL OUT effort due to many reasons, one being that some of THEm are the one's benefiting from the drug dealings but that's besides the point.

That whole war on drugs thing has been going on forever and like i stated, there are many reasons why it does not work. So, they are not just sitting on their hands waiting for johnny walking down the block with superdrol in his back pack..let's get serious for a second really...
 
You gotta check around bb.com.

Apparently they had tainted products, BUT THAT IS FROM THE TESTING.

Right now, I am going to hold off before I completely pass judgment.

But, it's not looking very good at this point. Especially since the forum over there went ghost.

l never used AX l use a few of the sponsors on here products which l like very much and don't want to see them go. l wont go into exactly which ones in this forum but all the usual reps on here l have or use their products.
 
l never used AX l use a few of the sponsors on here products which l like very much and don't want to see them go. l wont go into exactly which ones in this forum but all the usual reps on here l have or use their products.

You seem like you have your head on straight, I assume. Just do not fall into the mistake of looking at the "bro logs" and saying, well, it must be safe because the good ol bro said it didn't effect him negatively.

Bro logs = popular guys on the board running logs and saying that EVERYTHING went fine, especially the one's that follow that up with "but, i failed to get blood work, but i feel fine because my libido is great"

^Now, do not get me wrong. There are some very reputable people that you can hang some credit on what their logs say, but the majority are laughable.

Oh, and reps? There are some that are respectable and reputable but, let's face it, we are out to make money...i'll end it there.
 
Diversion and blame shifting. This is not about tobacco or fast food or alcohol. This is about illegal steroids being sold and marketed OTC as nutritional health supplements.

You make it sound like those of us who support what the FDA is doing are opposed to anabolics. Far from it. We are opposed to greedy, unethical, unscrupulous illegal steroid manufacturers and importers of lying, deceiving and misleading their customers on their way to the bank!

Hypocrisy.

Nice.

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Im just pissed about the whole thing........

We as consumers want products that work. We demand it. I believe as a collective group(with our actions and words) we have caused this problem through demand.
 
Hypocrisy.

Nice.

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Im just pissed about the whole thing........

We as consumers want products that work. We demand it. I believe as a collective group(with our actions and words) we have caused this problem through demand.

my gun was never to their head.
 
No son! Not all of us!

True.

I have been anal probed by aliens. It's on youtube.

That explains alot about you...:240: Hopefully you represented the human species well enough. So I guess your farts dont squeak anymore eh?


Seriously though, if people dont think the government has a hand in this they need to stop thinking Big Bro is a good thing.

out of the thousands of conspiracy theories, you know at least 30-40% likely have merit. Which is damn scary.
 
l am not sure you and l are having the same argument my point is pushing people underground creates unneccessary black market and l agree with the labeling but that is not what this is about there are more important issues 1 and 2 the FDA want to ban all supplements this is just the back door they are using to go look we are right lets take a look at all the other supplements out there and ban them all until we determine if they are safe.

Creatine will eventually be on the chopping block...

You gotta check around bb.com.

Apparently they had tainted products, BUT THAT IS FROM THE TESTING.

Right now, I am going to hold off before I completely pass judgment.

But, it's not looking very good at this point. Especially since the forum over there went ghost.

EDIT: I'll retract my "scum bag" statement for AX until I hear exactly what was in their products.

Ah, that explains why they vanished. Been wondering...wow...

Diversion and blame shifting. This is not about tobacco or fast food or alcohol. This is about illegal steroids being sold and marketed OTC as nutritional health supplements.

You make it sound like those of us who support what the FDA is doing are opposed to anabolics. Far from it. We are opposed to greedy, unethical, unscrupulous illegal steroid manufacturers and importers of lying, deceiving and misleading their customers on their way to the bank!

Were all these PH/DS specifically on the banned list? If not they have been illegally seized...

BTW you said its ok to be a supplement if it occurs in nature...Testosterone occurs in nature... Just make that legal and do away with all the metyhl's and UG lab drugs and vet steroids. It is a 100% natural substance...
 
Seriously though, if people dont think the government has a hand in this they need to stop thinking Big Bro is a good thing.

out of the thousands of conspiracy theories, you know at least 40-50% likely have merit. Which is damn scary.
The point you are not getting, and your seem too dense to recognize, is that you far left, liberal, liberty, freedom talkers have not been able to regulate yourselves. You have had the liberty and freedom to **** this whole business up all by your yourselves...

There have been new laws, and you found loop-holes. There has been enforcement and you found representation. Yet you, for the life of me and yourselves, can't seem to recognize that left to your own freedoms and liberties you are a menace to yourselves and society. When the **** are you going to realize that it is you, yourselves, that are the problem.

You are defending a perversion of your own ideals and you are so diluted by the perversion that you are perpetuating the perversion.

You cannot even regulate your own text (your form of expression on the internet) never mind regulate the design, development, testing, trials, manufacture, production, wholesale, distribution and retail of steroid and or nutritional health supplements. HELLO?!?!?! Wake the **** up dude!

You are a child in an adults body!
 
The point you are not getting, and your seem too dense to recognize, is that you far left, liberal, liberty, freedom talkers have not been able to regulate yourselves. You have had the liberty and freedom to **** this whole business up all by your yourselves...

There have been new laws, and you found loop-holes. There has been enforcement and you found representation. Yet you, for the life of me and yourselves, can't seem to recognize that left to your own freedoms and liberties you are a menace to yourselves and society. When the **** are you going to realize that it is you, yourselves, that are the problem.

You are defending a perversion of your own ideals and you are so diluted by the perversion that you are perpetuating the perversion.

You cannot even regulate your own text (your form of expression on the internet) never mind regulate the design, development, testing, trials, manufacture, production, wholesale, distribution and retail of steroid and or nutritional health supplements. HELLO?!?!?! Wake the **** up dude!

You are a child in an adults body!

what is your real job an fda boards moderator?
 
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Creatine will eventually be on the chopping block...



Ah, that explains why they vanished. Been wondering...wow...
I wasn't quite referring to here at Am where they disappeared but at the actual site. I cannot get any return emails from any of the old "bros"...and, all threads are basically "invalid links" now. Unless my computer is quite screwed at this point, someone has taken deep cover.

I tried to hit macedaddy on his AIM but nothing yet. And, I sent a PM to thesinner but nothing back yet.
 
what is your real job an fda boards moderator?

Something has to be up with im...

The point you are not getting, and your seem too dense to recognize, is that you far left, liberal, liberty, freedom talkers have not been able to regulate yourselves. You have had the liberty and freedom to **** this whole business up all by your yourselves...

There have been new laws, and you found loop-holes. There has been enforcement and you found representation. Yet you, for the life of me and yourselves, can't seem to recognize that left to your own freedoms and liberties you are a menace to yourselves and society. When the **** are you going to realize that it is you, yourselves, that are the problem.

You are defending a perversion of your own ideals and you are so diluted by the perversion that you are perpetuating the perversion.

You cannot even regulate your own text (your form of expression on the internet) never mind regulate the design, development, testing, trials, manufacture, production, wholesale, distribution and retail of steroid and or nutritional health supplements. HELLO?!?!?! Wake the **** up dude!

You are a child in an adults body!

For as mighty as you try and pretend to walk, you seem to throw around alot of insults.

Ideally I am actually not much for liberal methods in its perverted form(in the name of freedom take away freedom...) such as also with my issues with same sex marriage, feminists, etc.

I havent been the supplement industry long enough to hold much of it in my actions or life choices.

What is your actual stance? You seem to randomly jump around, and when someone gives you the answer you asked for, you come up with another question or complaint about it even though its exactly waht you wanted. You are simply an unpleasable person in the subject unless the speaker is agreeing with you.

There is no way to really discuss it with you, you simply have your opinion which apparently is 100% right and every one else is "stupid" that doesnt agree. As you talk about people causing problems, dont forget to glance at a reflective surface every now and then. Or are you perfect?

with all due respect

But its ok, just use the magic "I am just a stupid 22 year old" comment. It makes it all better, and every thing is all magical...
 
Something has to be up with im...



For as mighty as you try and pretend to walk, you seem to throw around alot of insults.
I am not insulting. I am responding to your incessant and persistent pie in the sky liberal leftists bull****. You speak of ideoloy and have absolutely "ZERO" understanding of or knowledge of practical application or implementation of such ideology...like some diluted un-medicated euphoric manic with only the ability to produce text on an internet forum.

Ideally I am actually not much for liberal methods in its perverted form(in the name of freedom take away freedom...) such as also with my issues with same sex marriage, feminists, etc.
Please! You have slammed queers, homos, ***s, and all derivations of your very recent post pubescent virginity without a clue. STFU already!

I havent been the supplement industry long enough to hold much of it in my actions or life choices.
Your are ignorant in the greatest degree. You post about what you will do and educate those without the slightest inclination of knowledge lest what you gleened from ignorants like yourself.

What is your actual stance? You seem to randomly jump around, and when someone gives you the answer you asked for, you come up with another question or complaint about it even though its exactly waht you wanted. You are simply an unpleasable person in the subject unless the speaker is agreeing with you.
You have no clue lest it be some leftists psuedo-spirtitual-christian-self-righteous-martyr-bull**** verbiage that you fabricated from some emo-suicidal-youth-life-partner-want-a-be-lost soul of a youth. You are a feather in the wind trying to be socio-psycho-spritual-emo-accepted-camillian.

There is no way to really discuss it with you, you simply have your opinion which apparently is 100% right and every one else is "stupid" that doesnt agree. As you talk about people causing problems, don't forget to glance at a reflective surface every now and then. Or are you perfect?
No I am not perfect. You have profusely regurgitated your youthful anxt (sp) as if you have some sort of wisdom and knowledge of someone who in nothing but a bi-product of a youthful anxt-22-yo-not-knowing-what-the ****-you-are talking-about-childish -bull****. STFU already! Please!

with all due respect

But its ok, just use the magic "I am just a stupid 22 year old" comment. It makes it all better, and every thing is all magical...
There is no magic Harry Potter is pretend or reality!!!
 
Were all these PH/DS specifically on the banned list? If not they have been illegally seized...

No the question, and no to the statement.

You would avoid much of your troubles in these discussions by simply verifying what you are saying, rather than regurgitate it from whatever forum, website or television program you heard it from. Honestly.

I will not do the leg work for you, but pursuant to U.S.C., 21 §§ 331 (a) (c) (d) and (k) these companies were in clear and knowing violation of the law, however corrupt you may feel it to be. Subsequently and (again) knowingly, these companies were thus subjected to the penalties and seizures contained in U.S.C., 21 §§ 333 and 334.

A compound not on the "banned list" is still subject to regulations concerning the manufacture, sale, distribution and labeling of drugs, devices and dietary supplements pursuant to the provisions of the FDCA.

None of this should be shocking and/or the cause of so much uproar: these companies, of whomever they may be comprised, knowingly produced, sold and distributed illegal substances fully cognizant of the possible penalties attendant thereto. All this jostling over the specific legalities (see: separate from the normative musings on the subject) is quite silly.

It was, is, and will continue to be in the future, illegal to manufacture, process, package, distribute and sell new drugs and/or drug-like compounds without approval. Shedding ideological tears for a D.S., manager is like mourning for a crack dealer who was shot on the job: namely, in that whether or not you feel "drug consumption" should be legal is highly irrelevant to the fact that he was subject to the possible penalties of his chosen profession.
 
What else is entirely surprising is that 90% of the people in this thread constantly chastise Muscletech, BSN and the like for "overpriced supplements", however; on the other hand, are content to buy unmarked, mislabeled and fraudulent steroids which have higher profit margins than Muscletechs' ingredients. I have never seen so many people adamantly defending their ability to be duped and lied to. This concept of "freedom of choice" was necessarily revoked from you the instant a company put "X" on the label and sold you "Y". Now if, on the other hand, you are simply defending your ability to make uninformed, illogical and irrational decisions, than the validity of this case would seem rather self-evident.
 
b5150, I don't think anybody has any idea what you are so angry about, but I'd like to know.

And this doesn't make any sense. Why are you here if you hate everything about this board and it's users?
Your are ignorant in the greatest degree. You post about what you will do and educate those without the slightest inclination of knowledge lest what you gleened from ignorants like yourself.

If everyone's so ignorant, where was "Quality Control" for all the product postings by the supp companies?

Or are you NP products/marketing "Quality Control"? Then where were you for this:
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Or are you simply "Quality Control" for how the boards work? Then why can I link this:
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And come on, "nutraplanet representatives" are not representatives of nutraplanet?

All you're doing is making yourself look bad, no matter who's in the right here. I guess you might ban me for this post, but it won't make it any less true.
 
The point you are not getting, and your seem too dense to recognize, is that you far left, liberal, liberty, freedom talkers have not been able to regulate yourselves. You have had the liberty and freedom to **** this whole business up all by your yourselves...

There have been new laws, and you found loop-holes. There has been enforcement and you found representation. Yet you, for the life of me and yourselves, can't seem to recognize that left to your own freedoms and liberties you are a menace to yourselves and society. When the **** are you going to realize that it is you, yourselves, that are the problem.

You are defending a perversion of your own ideals and you are so diluted by the perversion that you are perpetuating the perversion.

You cannot even regulate your own text (your form of expression on the internet) never mind regulate the design, development, testing, trials, manufacture, production, wholesale, distribution and retail of steroid and or nutritional health supplements. HELLO?!?!?! Wake the **** up dude!

You are a child in an adults body!

Really do l look like a child? and do l look like l am sick or abused? Have you seen how good 58 yo bodybuilder Lou Ferrigno looks? He looks awesome just read April Flex or google it and then tell me how bad all this stuff is when you compare him to a regular 58 yo.
 
lf you don't stand up for something you will fall for anything. You either love and support your choices or you are a big fake!
 
Really do l look like a child? and do l look like l am sick or abused? Have you seen how good 58 yo bodybuilder Lou Ferrigno looks? He looks awesome just read April Flex or google it and then tell me how bad all this stuff is when you compare him to a regular 58 yo.

I doubt his comments were aimed at you.
 
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If everyone's so ignorant, where was "Quality Control" for all the product postings by the supp companies?

The supplement companies are fully and solely responsible for their product claims, descriptions, and contests/promotions/advertisements at AnabolicMinds.

Or are you NP products/marketing "Quality Control"? Then where were you for this:
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First, NutraPlanet and AnabolicMinds do not share the same ownership. Second, the Platinum Planet Award is granted based on certain criteria that include customer feedback on product performance, as well as overall sales ranking during a specific time period. At the time NutraPlanet announced its Platinum Award for Slim Xtreme, nothing of the current controversy surrounding the product was anywhere in sight. Not even remotely! As a consequence, it would not only be unfair, but also silly, to suggest or imply that NutraPlanet, or for that matter AnabolicMinds, missed any quality-control issues. Detecting such (potential) problems is neither NutraPlanet's nor AnabolicMind's responsibility.
 
Really do l look like a child? and do l look like l am sick or abused? Have you seen how good 58 yo bodybuilder Lou Ferrigno looks? He looks awesome just read April Flex or google it and then tell me how bad all this stuff is when you compare him to a regular 58 yo.

Lou is the man!
 
b5150, I don't think anybody has any idea what you are so angry about, but I'd like to know.

And this doesn't make any sense. Why are you here if you hate everything about this board and it's users?
Really do l look like a child? and do l look like l am sick or abused? Have you seen how good 58 yo bodybuilder Lou Ferrigno looks? He looks awesome just read April Flex or google it and then tell me how bad all this stuff is when you compare him to a regular 58 yo.
My statements are directed at the 22yo fountain of delusional misinformation. This is a waste of both our time. I'm out. Thanks.
 
Lou is the man!

lou is kind of a douchebag....ever try and take a pic with him at a show? "That will be 20 dowwas pweeasse." Im sorry, that was super rude, but ive seen that guy force some unsuspecting fan to give him money for taking a pic with their own camera. And as far as his health goes mc gun...how the h@ll do you know? Have you seen his bloodwork? sure he looks healthy but so did flex wheeler a few years ago, and don long, and oh never mind....

as far as the otc anabolics go....why is everyone in an uproar? we knew this was going to happen? these companies were selling steroids over the counter....of course it was going to end eventually...
 
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Its always someone else's fault :)
 
What! :jaw: :run:







































Relax, my friend. Just kidding! :thumbsup:

You know what...when I went to bed last night, I thought to myself....'did I say hit or contact...'

Then I said, nah, must have said contact....hahaha
 
lou is kind of a douchebag....ever try and take a pic with him at a show? "That will be 20 dowwas pweeasse." Im sorry, that was super rude, but ive seen that guy force some unsuspecting fan to give him money for taking a pic with their own camera. And as far as his health goes mc gun...how the h@ll do you know? Have you seen his bloodwork? sure he looks healthy but so did flex wheeler a few years ago, and don long, and oh never mind....

as far as the otc anabolics go....why is everyone in an uproar? we knew this was going to happen? these companies were selling steroids over the counter....of course it was going to end eventually...

I was at a stop light when I read this post just now and I nearly cracked a rib laughing at this so hard...that first opening was harsh my man but it was shamefully funny as be damn....
 
I'm glad I'm not alone...

Man, I thought I was the only one that believed that virus stuff and population control...


Hunting season is upon us...

:)
 
No the question, and no to the statement.

You would avoid much of your troubles in these discussions by simply verifying what you are saying, rather than regurgitate it from whatever forum, website or television program you heard it from. Honestly.

I will not do the leg work for you, but pursuant to U.S.C., 21 §§ 331 (a) (c) (d) and (k) these companies were in clear and knowing violation of the law, however corrupt you may feel it to be. Subsequently and (again) knowingly, these companies were thus subjected to the penalties and seizures contained in U.S.C., 21 §§ 333 and 334.

A compound not on the "banned list" is still subject to regulations concerning the manufacture, sale, distribution and labeling of drugs, devices and dietary supplements pursuant to the provisions of the FDCA.

None of this should be shocking and/or the cause of so much uproar: these companies, of whomever they may be comprised, knowingly produced, sold and distributed illegal substances fully cognizant of the possible penalties attendant thereto. All this jostling over the specific legalities (see: separate from the normative musings on the subject) is quite silly.

It was, is, and will continue to be in the future, illegal to manufacture, process, package, distribute and sell new drugs and/or drug-like compounds without approval. Shedding ideological tears for a D.S., manager is like mourning for a crack dealer who was shot on the job: namely, in that whether or not you feel "drug consumption" should be legal is highly irrelevant to the fact that he was subject to the possible penalties of his chosen profession.

That is the most intellectual way I have seen it put mullet. I understand, and this is what I think B was standing by to a degree, just spewing too much venom for me not to rise to the issue of a conflict...guess its 22 year old stupid delusional pride though :speechless: I can fully understand why the FDA is pursuing its current path. This time leaving, likely, no loopholes.

In another thread I posted after some thought these last few days I wouldnt mind being natural forever. But its still the issue of freedom and "protection"(see below) that I have issues over.

My statements are directed at the 22yo fountain of delusional misinformation. This is a waste of both our time. I'm out. Thanks.

I may not know the whole worlds worth of information, law, etc. But I dont float well with restrictions. I can deal with hell, debt, pain, and so on. Just dont restrict me. This is the only thing I will fight tooth and nail for. It may not make sense to you, you are twice my age, but that doesnt make you god of the supplement industries ethics. But you can very well classify me as a 22yo whatever you want.

Nor do I have to justify myself to you. You get your way, because the FDA is already on a war footing. "The dye is cast" so to say. No undoing it.

But you think you have the right to deem what is best for other people. The point is I dont need your protection from myself. Such as someone who wants to stack 4 methyls has that choice, be it stupid or not yeah. Or those who cant cycle and miss out on their beer parties. But the point is, if it is correctly labeled.

Such as with CEL, who tested and labeled theirs correctly, then the person is the only one responsible. I dont need the governments protection, it is by the ruse of protection that my rights are stripped slowly over hte years. I cant carry a gun and protect myself, because we have "police" for that. A woman cant protect herself with a damn restraining order. WTF does a piece of paper do to a pissed off ex convict who was sent tp prison for beating her when he gets out.... NOTHING, but its ok she is "protected" by that mighty paper given out by the government.

We have to be at constant war to "protect" our freedom and our land...WTF, bring hte boys home, fix the economy. The terrorists are winning. Morally, physically(look at the real reports from over there), and economically. Hell their weed comes into this nation, to support their war...we support their damn war(well I dont smoke, but Americans as a whole).

Its one big load of BS for the protection of the people...

Protection=control and power= excuse to further tighten the noose around freedoms neck.

Forgive me if I desire what generations of my family sacrificed themselves on this soil, and many a foreign soil for.

Regardless I still respect you, find you intelligent, and a good person on the board. I just dont agree with you on this subject at all. Nor your "non insulting" insults.....which I think would be, hypocritical oxymoronish.

lf you don't stand up for something you will fall for anything. You either love and support your choices or you are a big fake!

Something any great patriot, or man would say. Sadly we are running low on those in this nation.
 
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