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Anyone still supporting Trump?

Danksta710 said:
First off thanks for your service. I've always been a separate the solider from the war type...

SO Bush (Sr and Jr) sent a lot of you to be killed for wars many of us do not agree with. It's BS how the cons use you guys. I will always support the solider but the wars are often done for the wrong reasons and for objectives that truly don't benefit us but benefit a small %. The MIC feeds way too much off the blood of soldiers who get lead into wars they probably should not be part of.

Con pres will come in for 8 yrs and **** **** up. Then a dem comes along, cleans things up by the time they leave office and then get blamed for problems they inherited. I've seen it all my life.

The cons con the people. They pray on the poor, sick and uneducated. They send them to slaughter far more than the dems do.

The dems are far from perfect.

GOP of the past is also lights years away from the current. They used to stand for things. Nowadays they only stand for team them, **** everyone else.
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The dems cut the military back so much that they operate in dangerous conditions because they are expected to do the same job with less people and resources. They don’t clean up anything. Obama and Clinton looked at the military as the necessary evil. Obama caused so much racial divide in this country and was also a cop hater. You’re believing the media and not the truth.
 
And for all of you in here hailing Trumps Victories. Do you know how the Political system even works. You do realize the President's first two years is from the Previous Presidents agenda. Hence the economy coming up, and Jobs. Since this year lets see, the Dow has had historic drops and the lowest it has been in years. The National debt has risen over 11 billion and he is set to Break Obama's record of 20 billion by the end of his presidency. There are tons of Auto workers, and others in the mid west out of jobs, people are on welfare "national assistance" at a record pace. And I aint talken the poor, and uneducated. I'm talking Millennials.
 
ItalOne said:
I think you misunderstood me. I wasn’t suggesting soldiers or vets wanted war. Why would they? Don’t you get the same pay weather your deployed or not? I was just saying they are more likely to support a president that has reached an all time milestone on the “OFFENSE” budget. Let’s not kid ourselves and call it a defense budget.
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No the military actually makes a little bit more while being deployed in combat zones. Your previous statement did say soldiers or vets want to go to war. There are so many threats to our country that you wouldn’t realize because the media doesn’t report it and some of it isn’t public knowledge, so I do want a president that puts our military in the best situation to defend our country. I was in the USMC during the Clinton years and it absolutely sucked. He and Hilary both hate the military and law enforcement. Lots Democrats these days do also.
 
ItalOne said:
I think you misunderstood me. I wasn’t suggesting soldiers or vets wanted war. Why would they? Don’t you get the same pay weather your deployed or not? I was just saying they are more likely to support a president that has reached an all time milestone on the “OFFENSE” budget. Let’s not kid ourselves and call it a defense budget.
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No the military actually makes a little bit more while being deployed in combat zones. There are so many threats to our country that you wouldn’t realize because the media doesn’t report it and some of it isn’t public knowledge, so I do want a president that puts our military in the best situation to defend our country. I was in the USMC during the Clinton years and it absolutely sucked. He and Hilary both hate the military and law enforcement. Lots Democrats these days do also.
 
sammpedd88 said:
The dems cut the military back so much that they operate in dangerous conditions because they are expected to do the same job with less people and resources. They don’t clean up anything. Obama and Clinton looked at the military as the necessary evil. Obama caused so much racial divide in this country and was also a cop hater. You’re believing the media and not the truth.
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He cut back nothing, Obomo started the Ukrainian civil war, the Syrian civil war, completely destroyed Lybia, spread wars across other parts of Africa, etc......while creating the next generation terrorists just like Carter did with Al-Ciada following Reagan, Bush's and so on. Obomo is nothing but a big Military Industrial Complex terrorist just like Prezident Dump.
 
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DemntedCowboy said:
And for all of you in here hailing Trumps Victories. Do you know how the Political system even works. You do realize the President's first two years is from the Previous Presidents agenda. Hence the economy coming up, and Jobs. Since this year lets see, the Dow has had historic drops and the lowest it has been in years. The National debt has risen over 11 billion and he is set to Break Obama's record of 20 billion by the end of his presidency. There are tons of Auto workers, and others in the mid west out of jobs, people are on welfare "national assistance" at a record pace. And I aint talken the poor, and uneducated. I'm talking Millennials.
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Problem with the auto industry is their cars suck. I buy Toyota, lol.

I think they are far better than the 80's and 90's though, that was such a shytfall in quality for American auto, so sad. I blame Unions party for that in combo of high tax socialist policies of both Demicans and Republicrats.
 
ax1 said:
He cut back nothing, Obomo started the Ukrainian civil war, the Syrian civil war, completely destroyed Lybia, spread wars across other parts of Africa, etc......while creating the next generation terrorists just like Carter did with Al-Ciada following Reagan, Bush's and so on. Obomo is nothing but a big Military Industrial Complex terrorist just like Prezident Dump.
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Who are you saying didn’t cut back anything?
 
ax1 said:
Obomo cut back nothing, he only expanded the wars to other regions while never leaving his predecessors.
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And the year during and after he was elected, the defense budget increased. But hey, let's ignore facts and just stomp our feet while claiming that Democrats hate the military and cops. Let's just rely on President bone spurs to ignore all military advisors and bitch about how countries that didn't even exist at the time (and still don't) weren't there to help us during WW2.
 
ax1 said:
Republicrat party is also "the socialist party of the USA" which is the reason they can all go stick it when I get to the voting booth next year.

Slightly less socialist is still socialist.
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You just like to ramble. You haven’t posted a fact yet.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
Female employment rates are lower than they were during the Obama presidency. As for socialism...sure, some Democrats love to talk about socialist ideas, but how do you not define bailing out farms because of failed tariffs as not being socialist? That's $16 billion of Republican socialism.
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Unemployment rate among women in 2010 was 8.6% today its 3.8. Where are you getting your facts?
 
Aleksandar37 said:
And the year during and after he was elected, the defense budget increased. But hey, let's ignore facts and just stomp our feet while claiming that Democrats hate the military and cops. Let's just rely on President bone spurs to ignore all military advisors and bitch about how countries that didn't even exist at the time (and still don't) weren't there to help us during WW2.
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Did anybody even knew the Kurds existed during WWII? Why kinda blowtard is this overweight Beaker?

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justhere4comm said:
? I'm not brand sensitive. For me it's about Police Brutality against African Americans, not his deal with Nike or any kind of pushback. If Nike wants to support him because the RACIST Owners of football teams, that's their prerogative, but that's as far as I go with it.
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I think you missed the point

Nike has pulled products for similar to reasons over ppl complaining over nonsense before....all I'm saying is these jesus shoes might get pulled as well
 
ax1 said:
Social Security, Medicaid, Welfare, Food Stamps, Department of Education for starters.
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And dont get me started on Republicrat and Demican corporate/banking welfare policies of quantitative easy raping the US tax saving of the value of their hard earned savings.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
Sometimes it's easier for people who don't comprehend how capitalism works to call it sjw and then make up a bunch of crap that Trump didn't actual accomplish.
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Umm....what? Haha

Everything I posted is fact and you must not know what I'm talking about when it comes to nike...u probably shouldn't comment on it 🤔
 
swimfan65 said:
Ummm..can you actually prove any of this?
Two parter..so stay with me...most of my students get confused with multi answer questions...how does this help our country in any way? Prior to response, please think it out, because I will certainly hand you your ass, regardless of what your vauge unreaserached respond will be, using only facts...not news BS. I do not support anyone in this political climate. I am only against stupidity. Let's play, shall we?
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Yeah let's play, seems like this whole thread is you repeating CNN talking points, with not much substance behind it
 
Aleksandar37 said:
Female employment rates are lower than they were during the Obama presidency. As for socialism...sure, some Democrats love to talk about socialist ideas, but how do you not define bailing out farms because of failed tariffs as not being socialist? That's $16 billion of Republican socialism.
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Bailouts are not considered socialist nor capitalist..
 
ax1 said:
Did anybody even knew the Kurds existed during WWII? Why kinda blowtard is this overweight Beaker?

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They existed, but Kurdistan didn't and still doesn't so they could have entered a war if they wanted to. Many did fight alongside Soviets during WW2. The closest they got to having a country was Mahabad, until we stuck our nose in that and screwed it up for them. More importantly, they've been there when we needed help against ISIS, but now we're going to say screw it and we're moving troops to go help the country that funded 9/11.
 
Young Gotti said:
Bailouts are not considered socialist nor capitalist..
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Well they dont call it that, the same way they increase taxes on us but label it "quantitative easing" and pretending the Federal Reserve can print money out of thin air without direct effects on the tax payer.
 
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Aleksandar37 said:
Paying tax payer cash towards the means of production is literally the definition of socialism.
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Socialism would be giving the farmers healthcare, their kids free education or helping to own the farm

Bailouts are not socialism nor capitalism like I said...its purely political
 
Young Gotti said:
Umm....what? Haha

Everything I posted is fact and you must not know what I'm talking about when it comes to nike...u probably shouldn't comment on it 🤔
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Trump claiming responsibility for vet student loan forgiveness isn't true. The process already existed for service-related injuries, but many don't know about it or don't have the resources. Patty Murray, Elizabeth Warren, and Jack Reed (all Democrats) pushed for it to happen automatically and were continually blocked by Betsy DeVos who keeps blocking veteran claims if they're not service-related--those military are SOL. Trump stepped up and signed an executive order to make it automatic, which he should get credit for.

But yeah, I don't know what I'm talking about.
 
Young Gotti said:
Socialism would be giving the farmers healthcare, their kids free education or helping to run the farm

Bailouts are not socialism nor capitalism like I said...its purely political
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They lower the costs of products such as milk by stealing our tax dollars and giving it to farmers so the people that live in the Commune States of America can feed their bones and roid heads can get more affordable whey to feed their muscles.
 
ax1 said:
They lower the costs of products such as milk by stealing our tax dollars and giving it to farmers so the people that live in the Commune States of America can feed their bones and roid heads can get more affordable whey to feed their muscles.
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Ummm..ok
 
Young Gotti said:
Socialism would be giving the farmers healthcare, their kids free education or helping to own the farm

Bailouts are not socialism nor capitalism like I said...its purely political
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Those are things of value. Instead they got cash. Spin it however you want, it's socialism.
 
Here is what I feel is a good quote from the ohio state university

One thing remains the same: regardless of how much money the government invests, the bailout plan still allows bankers to be in charge of bank policies, for better or, as we have seen recently, for worse. It’s not socialism that we’re getting or socialism that we have to fear, but unregulated capitalism. Capitalism got us into this mess, and we are counting on government-backed capitalism to get us out of it.
 
ax1 said:
So what is it?
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Govt backed capitalism

But a bail out of farms from trump isnt economy driven as much as it is political driven...if he did something that negatively affected them, that would reek havoc on his political approval...so this is done to help his image
 
Young Gotti said:
Govt backed capitalism
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You mean, Capitalism with socialist characteristics.

Capitalism:
an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.

Being that government is intervening private industry with tax payer money to influence end result, it cannot blindly be called "capitalism." Government cant back capitalism. it is no longer capitalism.
 
ax1 said:
You mean, Capitalism with socialist characteristics.

Capitalism:
an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.

Being that government is infiltrating private industry with tax payer money, it cannot blindly be called "capitalism."
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Sure it can...still privately owned...that's the big issue here
 
Young Gotti said:
Sure it can...still privately owned...that's the big issue here
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It isnt anymore, especially in addition the owners of the "privately owned" company cant even keep the fruits of their own labor. They belong to the government.
 
ax1 said:
It isnt anymore, especially in addition the owners of the "privately owned" company cant even keep the fruits of their own labor. They belong to the government.
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That is false

If the govt had ownership in the company or planned to have stock in the company forever...yes...but not in these situations
 
Young Gotti said:
Sure it can...still privately owned...that's the big issue here
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You're ignoring a huge component of socialism because you found one definition that agrees with you. A key part is redistribution of wealth. The government decided in this case to redistribute the combined wealth of the people into one group of businesses. Socialism is both an economic and political ideology and I don't argue that Trump didn't do this just to try and make up for his mistake to a group that he needs to vote for him.

Just tagging the term "government-backed" onto words doesn't make it not socialist. Government-backed is essentially what makes it socialism.
 
Aleksandar37 said:
You're ignoring a huge component of socialism because you found one definition that agrees with you. A key part is redistribution of wealth. The government decided in this case to redistribute the combined wealth of the people into one group of businesses. Socialism is both an economic and political ideology and I don't argue that Trump didn't do this just to try and make up for his mistake to a group that he needs to vote for him.

Just tagging the term "government-backed" onto words doesn't make it not socialist. Government-backed is essentially what makes it socialism.
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That again is false...you are missing the point that if the govt bails someout out...they are not owning the means of production

Straight from Marian Webster:
any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

If bernie pushed through Medicare for all...the govt would then own the means of production for healthcare, a bail out does not work that way
 
Young Gotti said:
That is false

If the govt had ownership in the company or planned to have stock in the company forever...yes...but not in these situations
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They own your profits forever and tell you how to run it through regulation. That’s called ownership.
 
Young Gotti said:
Facepalm....no
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Well apparently the government has done a great job giving you the illusion of a false sense of ownership. That’s why they took over the education system years ago with the DoED.
 
ax1 said:
Well apparently the government has done a great job giving you the illusion of a false sense of ownership. That’s why they took over the education system years ago with the DoED.
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You just dont seem to understand how a bail out works
 
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