Anyone still supporting Trump?

[ax1]

Yeah we do

By your logic the United states govt still owns GM

Yes they do, they own just about all of us.

 

[Young Gotti]

Yes they do, they own just about all of us.

Smh, ok

 

[Aleksandar37]

If bernie pushed through Medicare for all...the govt would then own the means of production for healthcare, a bail out does not work that way

They're redistributing wealth. What is owned?

 

[ax1]

Smh, ok

You say that because of what the DoED did to you.

 

[Young Gotti]

They're redistributing wealth. What is owned?

Umm...the whole healthcare industry?

 

[Young Gotti]

You say that because of what the DoED did to you.

I say it because it's not true and I dont subscribe to that way of thinking

 

[ax1]

I say it because it's not true and I dont subscribe to that way of thinking

Does the government punish you for productivity? Or you have a loophole?

 

[ax1]

I say it because it's not true and I dont subscribe to that way of thinking

Does the government punish you for productivity? Or you have a loophole?

 

[Aleksandar37]

Umm...the whole healthcare industry?

That's not at all what has been proposed. Drug companies would still be private. Hospitals would still be private. You are drawing a line between bailouts not being socialism, but calling socialized healthcare socialism based on ownership alone. What specifically would be owned by the government?

 

[Young Gotti]

Does the government punish you for productivity? Or you have a loophole?

That's your definition of ownership? Haha

Does the govt force me to be productive in the first place?

 

[ax1]

That's your definition of ownership? Haha

Does the govt force me to be productive in the first place?

Good luck with that one, lol!

 

[Young Gotti]

That's not at all what has been proposed. Drug companies would still be private. Hospitals would still be private. You are drawing a line between bailouts not being socialism, but calling socialized healthcare socialism based on ownership alone. What specifically would be owned by the government?

I answered that question....health care

There would be no private owned health care insurance companies, it would all be run by the govt..so they run that industry without competition, they also get to dictate the prices they pay to these privately owned hospitals..similar to what Medicare does now

The govt would effectively be the only show in town and own the health care industry like I said

 

[Young Gotti]

Does the government punish you for productivity? Or you have a loophole?

That's your definition of ownership? Haha

Does the govt force me to be productive in the first place?

Good luck with that one, lol!

Ok but you didnt answer the question

 

[Aleksandar37]

I answered that question....health care

There would be no private owned health care insurance companies, it would all be run by the govt..so they run that industry without competition, they also get to dictate the prices they pay to these privately owned hospitals..similar to what Medicare does now

The govt would effectively be the only show in town and own the health care industry like I said

So you're using a different form of the word "own" in this instance, but a literal one in the example of bailouts. Cool.

 

[Young Gotti]

So you're using a different form of the word "own" in this instance, but a literal one in the example of bailouts. Cool.

Nope same definition

One example the govt doesnt own a company

Other example, the companies are no longer there and the govt owns the whole industry

 

[ax1]

Ok but you didnt answer the question

When your born you already are in debt over $40,000 just for accepting to be alive the very first day! If only you understood your choices before you make that exit!

 

[ax1]

The govt would effectively be the only show in town and own the health care industry like I said

Technically they will never be the only show in town, there would still be a blackmarket in health care, and it would possibly increase. They cant even stop that in China.

 

[Young Gotti]

When your born you already are in debt over $40,000 just for accepting to be alive the very first day! If only you understood your choices before you make that exit!

K..dodging it

The govt doesnt own you, that's just a lazy way of conspiracy style thinking

 

[Aleksandar37]

Nope same definition

One example the govt doesnt own a company

Other example, the companies are no longer there and the govt owns the whole industry

Private drug companies. Private hospitals. Privately run clinics. However you have to justify it to yourself.

 

[ax1]

So you're using a different form of the word "own" in this instance, but a literal one in the example of bailouts. Cool.

I think I know him from browsing the official DoED forums, he was talking about how he started publishing his very own dictionary.

 

[ax1]

K..dodging it

The govt doesnt own you, that's just a lazy way of conspiracy style thinking

Good luck not paying your slave masters a portion of your blood, sweat and tears. Your gonna have their militants knocking at your door at gunpoint asking you where there money is.

 

[Young Gotti]

Private drug companies. Private hospitals. Privately run clinics. However you have to justify it to yourself.

Smh are you purposely being ignorant on the topic? Generally curious

 

[Young Gotti]

Good luck not paying your slave masters a portion of your blood, sweat and tears. Your gonna have their militants knocking at your door at gunpoint asking you where there money is.

I'll be fine thank you

 

[ax1]

I'll be fine thank you

Your pretending to ignore the facts.

 

[Young Gotti]

I think I know him from browsing the official DoED forums, he was talking about how he started publishing his very own dictionary.

Merriam webster is my own dictionary now? Awesome

It's cool tho...the govt is evil, they own us, all leaders should be locked up for war crimes hahaha get that goofy ass YouTube conspiracy way of thinking out of here

 

[ax1]

Merriam webster is my own dictionary now? Awesome

It's cool tho...the govt is evil, they own us, all leaders should be locked up for war crimes hahaha get that goofy ass YouTube conspiracy way of thinking out of here

Your now adhomening your way out of this. Im glad I have woken you.

 

[Young Gotti]

Your now adhomening your way out of this. Im glad I have woken you.

Well when you ask a question and they get dodged or responded to with false narrative style answers

You have to call a spade a spade

 

[ax1]

the govt is evil, they own us,

=your born 10s of thousands in debt by default, stealing at gunpoint the fruits of people's labor and penalizing productive activities.

all leaders should be locked up for war crimes

=the war in Iraq and weapons of mass destruction, the overthrow of the Ukrainian government, creating, training and funding terrorists groups with Osama Bin-Laden as their leader, overthrowing the President of Iran, Vietnam war and agent orange, invasion of Cambodia, Iran Contra, Operation Northwoods, destroying Lybia, etc......

get that goofy ass YouTube conspiracy way of thinking out of here

So excuse me, what conspiracies? Is that the way the DoED conditioned you to think?

 

[Aleksandar37]

Smh are you purposely being ignorant on the topic? Generally curious

I've asked you repeatedly to clarify and you keep answering "health care", but then only focus on Sanders' wet dream of socialized healthcare. Even in that there would be private health care businesses. The government doesn't own anything in that scenario. It's simply redistribution of wealth to privately owned businesses. It's the same net effect as bailouts.

 

[Young Gotti]

=your born 10s of thousands in debt by default, stealing at gunpoint the fruits of people's labor and penalizing productive activities.



=the war in Iraq and weapons of mass destruction, the overthrow of the Ukrainian government, creating, training and funding terrorists groups with Osama Bin-Laden as their leader, overthrowing the President of Iran, Vietnam war and agent orange, invasion of Cambodia, Iran Contra, Operation Northwoods, destroying Lybia, etc......



So excuse me, what conspiracies? Is that the way the DoED conditioned you to think?

Hahahahaha

Yeah yeah we know...govt bad..lock up everyone blah blah blah

Is the doed the only response you have because most of what we are discussing isnt even in the same realm

 

[ax1]

Hahahahaha

Yeah yeah we know...govt bad..lock up everyone blah blah blah

Is the doed the only response you have because most of what we are discussing isnt even in the same realm

No, you watch and read too much fake news. haha

 

[Young Gotti]

I've asked you repeatedly to clarify and you keep answering "health care", but then only focus on Sanders' wet dream of socialized healthcare. Even in that there would be private health care businesses. The government doesn't own anything in that scenario. It's simply redistribution of wealth to privately owned businesses. It's the same net effect as bailouts.

Wrong...again

As currently written we wouldnt have private insurance companies...the only exception is things like plastic surgery... being on a board like this we know a lot of insurance companies dont even consider that "healthcare" and more so cosmetic

So his medicare for all plan isnt something like canada where you have public and private insurance, it is much different

If someone says health care, what do you think? Not sure what you need clarity on....insurance companies gone..govt steps in and plays the role of insurance companies...minus competition and the govt dictating what they will pay for services

 

[Young Gotti]

No, you watch and read too much fake news. haha

Me? Hahaha ok bud

 

[ax1]

Wrong...again

As currently written we wouldnt have private insurance companies...the only exception is things like plastic surgery... being on a board like this we know a lot of insurance companies dont even consider that "healthcare" and more so cosmetic

So his medicare for all plan isnt something like canada where you have public and private insurance, it is much different

If someone says health care, what do you think? Not sure what you need clarity on....insurance companies gone..govt steps in and plays the role of insurance companies...minus competition and the govt dictating what they will pay for services

There could still be a strong market for health insurance even if healthcare was completely runs healthcare. I would certainly still consider a right plan at the right price.

 

[Young Gotti]

There could still be a strong market for health insurance even if healthcare was completely runs healthcare. I would certainly still consider it at the right price.

There wont be a market if Medicare for all doesnt let it exist

 

[ax1]

There wont be a market if Medicare for all doesnt let it exist

There 100% absolutely would be. Why not? Do you even know what insurance is for?

 

[swimfan65]

Less brown? You're an idiot. Human isn't a color you fool. Keep up that support and make the rest of us non supporters look dumb. Christ, this is like arguing with my 8 year old. Is there anyone who supports Trump with an IQ higher than....75? Maybe 80? Hate to tell you you guys, the rest of us aren't as stupid as you. I want to open a used car lot only for Trump supporters...I think I could make it work. Here's an 84 ford escort...90k cause it's awesome. Sold!

 

[Young Gotti]

There 100% absolutely would be. Why not? Do you even know what insurance is for?

Why not? Because Medicare for all abolishes all private health care

With a small opening for plastic surgery style supplements

You dont get to pick between your company insurance or medicare or keep both...you no longer get that option

This is why it's considered a socialist idea

 

[swimfan65]

Reading some of these posts is such a self esteem boost. Like going to hick town Carney...where I live..and walking by the games and listening to the methed out white trash all call me big guy and winner. And observing all the white trash with their beaters on an no teeth with fat girlfriends and fat dirty kids...I suddenly feel very good about myself. They are probably Trump's focuse for support...I just laugh. But thats like half of the US.

 

[ax1]

Why not? Because Medicare for all abolishes all private health care

With a small opening for plastic surgery style supplements

You dont get to pick between your company insurance or medicare or keep both...you no longer get that option

This is why it's considered a socialist idea

I cant believe you dont even know what insurance is.

Insurance measures a risk and puts a market cost on it.

So lets say you want to be insured that the government will give you timely treatment or the proper treatment. Medicare bureaucracy can delay the treatment either through slow payment or force your doctor to either find an alternative such as a generic or different treatment in order to delay premium care. Insurance can get your back for that. Or what if you cant get care because the system is broke, or some bureaucrat looks to make cuts an put you in a hospital basement to rot away to death just like the VA did to our vets?

Insurance isnt supposed to be a "healthcare system" anyways, that happened starting with managed care under Nixon that became nothing but a collaborated ponzi scheme.

The way it ought to be is patient pays doctor and insurance is there just in case something really bad happens. As it is today real proper health insurance doesnt exist. With government taking over complete management of health insurance through medicate this would re-open the market for real health insurance to make a come back.

Health care is health care, insurance is something different by definition and its authentic intent so the market would absolutely be here if we had medicare for all.

 

[Young Gotti]

Reading some of these posts is such a self esteem boost. Like going to hick town Carney...where I live..and walking by the games and listening to the methed out white trash all call me big guy and winner. And observing all the white trash with their beaters on an no teeth with fat girlfriends and fat dirty kids...I suddenly feel very good about myself. They are probably Trump's focuse for support...I just laugh. But thats like half of the US.

You call trump racists and then make statements like that

Pot calling the kettle black much?

 

[Young Gotti]

I cant believe you dont even know what insurance is.

Insurance measures a risk and puts a market cost on it.

So lets say you want to be insured that the government will give you timely treatment or the proper treatment. Medicare bureaucracy can delay the treatment either through slow payment or force your doctor to either find an alternative such as a generic or different treatment in order to delay premium care. Insurance can get your back for that. Or what if you cant get care because the system is broke, or some bureaucrat looks to make cuts an put you in a hospital basement to rot away to death just like the VA did to our vets?

Insurance isnt supposed to be a "healthcare system" anyways, that happened starting with managed care under Nixon that became nothing but a collaborated ponzi scheme.

The way it ought to be is patient pays doctor and insurance is there just in case something really bad happens. As it is today real proper health insurance doesnt exist. With government taking over complete management of health insurance through medicate this would re-open the market for real health insurance to make a come back.

Health care is health care, insurance is something different by definition and its authentic intent so the market would absolutely be here if we had medicare for all.

I suggest you read the Medicare for all proposal

A majority of ppl think of health care as their private insurance company...and those are gone under this plan

So essentially the insurance that is there just in case...isnt there because it no longer exists

 

[swimfan65]

Trash is trash..black, brown, yellow, or white. Its unfortunate, but it is true. Like I said..Im not a liberal.

 

[swimfan65]

For example, I believe there is no cure for pedophilia and that they should be killed. Certainly not a liberal statement.

 

[ax1]

I suggest you read the Medicare for all proposal

You want me to read a proposal? What proposal? What is it exactly you want to point out as I honestly dont think I am going to go through that at the moment. More than likely, I wont be voting for these big government goblins anyways.

 

[Young Gotti]

I cant believe you dont even know what insurance is.

Insurance measures a risk and puts a market cost on it.

So lets say you want to be insured that the government will give you timely treatment or the proper treatment. Medicare bureaucracy can delay the treatment either through slow payment or force your doctor to either find an alternative such as a generic or different treatment in order to delay premium care. Insurance can get your back for that. Or what if you cant get care because the system is broke, or some bureaucrat looks to make cuts an put you in a hospital basement to rot away to death just like the VA did to our vets?

Insurance isnt supposed to be a "healthcare system" anyways, that happened starting with managed care under Nixon that became nothing but a collaborated ponzi scheme.

The way it ought to be is patient pays doctor and insurance is there just in case something really bad happens. As it is today real proper health insurance doesnt exist. With government taking over complete management of health insurance through medicate this would re-open the market for real health insurance to make a come back.

Health care is health care, insurance is something different by definition and its authentic intent so the market would absolutely be here if we had medicare for all.

Trash is trash..black, brown, yellow, or white. Its unfortunate, but it is true. Like I said..Im not a liberal.

No one said you are liberal...you just referred to ppl as "white" trash tho

 

[swimfan65]

Some people are. Fact. In my opinion.

 

[Young Gotti]

You want me to read a proposal? What proposal? What is it exactly you want to point out as I honestly dont think I am going to go through that at the moment. More than likely, I wont be voting for these big government goblins anyways.

Bernie sanders Medicare for all proposal...so you can see the insurance that you said has your back wont be an option

 

[Young Gotti]

Some people are. Fact. In my opinion.

Ok that's similar to something Donald trump would say

 

[ax1]

I suggest you read the Medicare for all proposal

A majority of ppl think of health care as their private insurance company...and those are gone under this plan

So essentially the insurance that is there just in case...isnt there because it no longer exists

Private insurance companies are health care plans. It shouldn't be that way. It should just be between a doctor and patient with no insurance company or government bureaucrat in between since they have absolutely nothing to add to health care.