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alwaysgaining

alwaysgaining

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i was looking into tryin some fenugreek since it has been coming up alot latly


this is wat i found that i wanan try

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i was thinking like 8 caps spread out threw the day

like 2 when i wake up
2 preW/O
2 post
2 befor bed

how dose this sound, i will probly buy like 6 bottles
 
ya thanks
i was reading that mi body might stop responding to it after a coupple of weeks?
So then i would dose like 5 days on 2 off
maby ill do this afther 4 weeks or untill i cant "fill it"
 
That NOW products is 100 capsules at 500mg each for a total of 50g for $3.50. That equates to $0.07/g

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The bulk NP is standardized for 50% and is $0.25/g.

Makes me wonder what the % the NOW product is if it so cheap.
 
I believe it's just bulk fenugreek seed, whereas the 50% is a concentrated extract for Testofen .

From their site
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Testofen is a natural solution for promoting Testosterone levels and healthy libido and immune functions.

Fenugreek contains Protodioscin, Pseudo Protodioscin, Gracillin, Protogracillin, Diosgenin, Dioscin and many other saponins and sapogenins. Many of these other saponins are not identified yet.

All the above compounds are well known for promoting Testosterone and healthy Libido Functions. There is enough published data on them.

There is a huge amount of history, studies and references which have shown without doubt that in addition to qualities like healthy sugar support, lipid support, lactation support etc., Fenugreek also promotes healthy libido and testosterone functions. The libido function happens both for women and men and is well recorded.

A lot of these saponins exist as saponin glycosides. Fenuside is a set of potent saponin glycosides unique to us which we have standardised, to give maximum benefits to users. We have done repeated studies and confirmed it's libido promoting properties. In addition to Testosterone support, it also acts like Testosterone by binding to the Testosterone receptor sites and creating Testosterone like activity. So it's activity is two fold. Testosterone is not just like turning on a tap wherein you fill as much of Testosterone as you want. The body has a balancing mechanism and each human body has it's own threshold for basal Testosterone levels. Testofen™ helps promote healthy Testosterone levels. In addition it acts like Testosterone and promotes libido and muscle mass.

Testofen™ has shown remarkable results in rat studies, showing intracarvenous pressure increase leading to healthy erectile functions.

Testofen™ has demonstrated exc ellen t results in animal studies for promoting healthy testosterone and Libido and Muscle Mass.

Testofen™ has demonstrated the following in a double blind, randomised, placebo controlled human clinical study of 60 subjects

Promoted healthy free Testosterone levels in the active group of subjects by 98%

Promoted healthy muscle mass

Helped regulate BUN [ Blood Urea Nitrogen ] levels in the active group of participants, signifying regulation in protein catabolism
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I can't say I noticed all that to be honest though lol.
 
Yes, that was what I was referring to.

NOW - Fenugreek Powder (Trigonella foenum-graecum) (seed) 1 g (1000 mg)

NP 50% - Fenugreek is common herb containing a wide spectrum of active compounds such as Furostanol Saponins and Steroidal Saponins. Fenuside is a set of potent saponin glycosides which yields maximum benefits to users. Studies have confirmed libido enhancing properties as well as Testosterone boosting benefits. Fenuside also acts like Testosterone by binding to the Testosterone receptors and creating Testosterone like activity.
 
thanks
i thought kinda the same< i just figured that i could buy more of NOW foods product and take it longer for a smooth longer lasting behind the senes effect
and besides i dont really want cap all of the powder
 
You do realize that the seed powder is not the same as the 50% extract of Saponins and will likely not produce much if at all besides some insulin management?
 
Hello to all. Just wanted to report I've been taking Fenugreek from NOW and this stuff is awsome. I dose 3 caps morning and 3 at night. My libido is incredible, loads have doubled (feels sooo goood). Erections are harder and bigger! (sorry for the porn details) Little bit of a spicey scent to it though. I am amazed I can have such incredible results for just $3.50 per bottle.

Any one tried macca and what's better macca or fenugreek?
 
well guy i went throgh on wat i said.
i bought 6 bottles.
ive noticed increase in traning intesity and overall muscle hardness
mi B.O. smells just like how the pill taste( i chewd 1 up) so i think i have preaty good saturation in mi body.
i have been takin 9 caps aday

this has workd alot better than i thought.
im going to add MACA and Tribulus and dubble dose them
 
alwaysgaining said:
well guy i went throgh on wat i said.
i bought 6 bottles.
ive noticed increase in traning intesity and overall muscle hardness
mi B.O. smells just like how the pill taste( i chewd 1 up) so i think i have preaty good saturation in mi body.
i have been takin 9 caps aday

this has workd alot better than i thought.
im going to add MACA and Tribulus and dubble dose them
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Keep us posted :thumbsup: And the smell is like Maple Syrup , it's actually used in some artificial products to give it the flavour :)
 
well guys ive been takin Fenugreek for a while now and i can only say its great!
I just feel good and mi strength is stedly incesing and mi body is geting harded evryday
 
Steveoph
I see you have used the bulbulk Testofen.
Can you tell me if there were any estrogen sides? or DHT hair loss concerns?
thanks
 
Any side effects from Fenugreek? I've noticed my upper body being extremely itchy...not sure if it is the Fenugreek. Plus I have read that it is used to help women grow breasts....any chance of that happening to me?

Lucky
 
luclyluciano said:
Any side effects from Fenugreek? I've noticed my upper body being extremely itchy...not sure if it is the Fenugreek. Plus I have read that it is used to help women grow breasts....any chance of that happening to me?

Lucky
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no sides man NONE!!! i have more acne but that is good
i keep getting stonger and im gaining weight

1 thing tho when take them befor bed i cant sleep and i have hot flashes for half the night
i made like 100 100% sirloin pattys i take mi caps with alot of fat!!! i get a whole body pump, nothing crazy just over all muscle fullness
like all mi used to be flaby aresa are now firming up
ive been taking 9+ caps aday and i dont have breast lol
 
LAC said:
Steveoph
I see you have used the bulbulk Testofen.
Can you tell me if there were any estrogen sides? or DHT hair loss concerns?
thanks
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Same here I ran it on two occasions at 900mg a day for 60 days and noticed and negative effects, I love the positive effects, strength went up, I had more of a muscle fullness, I would take 300mg before my workout, loved it.
 
luclyluciano said:
Any side effects from Fenugreek? I've noticed my upper body being extremely itchy...not sure if it is the Fenugreek. Plus I have read that it is used to help women grow breasts....any chance of that happening to me?

Lucky
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It helps women to lactate my wife is using it now for breastfeeding. But that is with the whole herb. I don't know what compound in Fenugreek that does that, but Testofen is an isolated extract. So your safe.
 
i love the "load" size from fenugreek if u know what i mean. the gf doesnt because it getting messier now..but it is funny. lol
 
Can anyone explain how fenugreek mechanism of action works in the body?
I found this study and it is rather alarming.

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I have heard some very positive things regarding fenugreek (boost in libido, insulin sensitivity, etc.) that is why I was wanting to try it but this experiment concerned me. Thanks
 
Guess it just pulls up the pub med site but search for "fenugreek sperm" and the study comes up
 
AI's plus testofen or fenugreek are NOT overkill but VERY synergestic. I also recommend taking PLCAR and L-carnitine-L-Tartrate.
 
I'm currently running Sabinsa's 70% Fenusterols product (its been discontinued but I bought from BAC on a closeout).

I capped a bunch of the bulk powder. Very impressive in the libido boost dept. I'm unclear though, as to what the 70% fenusterols consist of. You'd think there's some 4-hydroxyisoleucine in there, lots of furostanolic saponins etc. but it isn't clear. Now I see there's another spin on it with Testofen. I guess the bottom line is.... there are many beneficial compounds found in Fenugreek. If anyone knows what Sabinsa is referring to with "70% fenusterols", I'd appreciate it. A web search revealed little..
 
to 350zTT
which study is that? I opened the link, but it does not take you to the study.
what are the disturbing results?
 
Yea I posted a post right after that one! Search for this "fenugreek sperm" ! Shows so not so good results but that's only one study!
 
Mixelflick said:
I'm currently running Sabinsa's 70% Fenusterols product (its been discontinued but I bought from BAC on a closeout).

I capped a bunch of the bulk powder. Very impressive in the libido boost dept. I'm unclear though, as to what the 70% fenusterols consist of. You'd think there's some 4-hydroxyisoleucine in there, lots of furostanolic saponins etc. but it isn't clear. Now I see there's another spin on it with Testofen. I guess the bottom line is.... there are many beneficial compounds found in Fenugreek. If anyone knows what Sabinsa is referring to with "70% fenusterols", I'd appreciate it. A web search revealed little..
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I had actually bought Fenusterols from Sabinsa, I have tons of info on it, PM me and I can email you the stuff. I wanted to take a Fenugreek stack, Testofen, Fenusterols, and the Andritest which is an AI from Fenugreek.
 
Here is the study guys! Also why would a male wanna take something that helps with female lactation?

Evaluation of the potential antifertility effect of fenugreek seeds in male and female rabbits.

Kassem A, Al-Aghbari A, AL-Habori M, Al-Mamary M.
Department of Animal Production, Faculty of Agriculture, University of Sana'a, Sana'a, Republic of Yemen.
OBJECTIVE: The objective of this study was to evaluate the potential antifertility activity of feeding diets containing 30% fenugreek seeds to male and female white New Zealand rabbits. RESULTS: The data presented in this study clearly demonstrate an antifertility effect of fenugreek seeds in the female rabbits and more of a toxicity effect in the male rabbits. In males, testis weight was reduced, with evident damage to the seminiferous tubules and interstitial tissues as shown by the histopathology of testis tissue sections. In addition, the plasma concentration of the androgen hormone and sperm concentrations were halved in the treated animals. In the case of the females, there was evidence of a significant reduction of developing fetuses as observed by reductions of both fetal and placental weights at 20 days of gestation and of the litter size. This was further supported histopathologically by the observed proliferative changes of the endometrial glands. The circulating plasma progesterone concentrations at 10 and 20 days of gestation significantly increased with no significant effect on the prebreeding estrogen concentrations in the treated animals.
PMID: 16472574 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
 
350zTT said:
Here is the study guys! Also why would a male wanna take something that helps with female lactation?

Evaluation of the potential antifertility effect of fenugreek seeds in male and female rabbits.

Kassem A, Al-Aghbari A, AL-Habori M, Al-Mamary M.
Department of Animal Production, Faculty of Agriculture, University of Sana'a, Sana'a, Republic of Yemen.
OBJECTIVE: The objective of this study was to evaluate the potential antifertility activity of feeding diets containing 30% fenugreek seeds to male and female white New Zealand rabbits. RESULTS: The data presented in this study clearly demonstrate an antifertility effect of fenugreek seeds in the female rabbits and more of a toxicity effect in the male rabbits. In males, testis weight was reduced, with evident damage to the seminiferous tubules and interstitial tissues as shown by the histopathology of testis tissue sections. In addition, the plasma concentration of the androgen hormone and sperm concentrations were halved in the treated animals. In the case of the females, there was evidence of a significant reduction of developing fetuses as observed by reductions of both fetal and placental weights at 20 days of gestation and of the litter size. This was further supported histopathologically by the observed proliferative changes of the endometrial glands. The circulating plasma progesterone concentrations at 10 and 20 days of gestation significantly increased with no significant effect on the prebreeding estrogen concentrations in the treated animals.
PMID: 16472574 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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1) Just about anything you ingest that is 30% of your diet is going to have some side effects. (Yes, an oversimplification, but you get the point.)

2) Unless you've f*cked yourself up and have turned yourself into Elsie the Cow, you don't have to worry about lactation. If you've grown tits, then by all means, stay away from fenugreek. Unless of course, you'd like to help the wife out with your newborn by giving her a break once in a while.
 
hahaha i just laugh when pppl bring this up. it deff helps girls but i have never had eny typ of gyno or latcating or eny bad side effect while mega dosing.

also they study was done on rabbits??? and its from Republic of Yemen hahaha, chinies ppl and indian ppl have been using fenugreek for 1000+ years bro that study is worth half a sh1t inmo
 
I'm surprised this hasn't been posted in here yet...


My opinion of fenugreek/Testofen is that they are fantastic for libido and seminal volume. Anabolic effects seem to be over-stated, but it does help with muscle fullness and nitrogen retention.
 

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Rodja! Great info! Thanks! Was just curious about this! Tired of wasting money on supps for "supposade" benefits! So now I have been trying to find research actually done with supps I wanna use before putting them in my body!
 
350zTT said:
Rodja! Great info! Thanks! Was just curious about this! Tired of wasting money on supps for "supposade" benefits! So now I have been trying to find research actually done with supps I wanna use before putting them in my body!
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If you want to try fenugreek out before you try Testofen, it's pretty cheap. Some like to take it with meals, others like to take it a bedtime.

You can try 2 caps with each meal and then 2 at bed or just go with a higher dose ate bedtime. It's cheap enough to fool around with, without breaking the bank. If you find you like it, then you can get either 50% extract in bulk or go with Testopro or Phytotest, or some other proprietory mix.

Some people find that the effects wear off quickly, while others don't. Myself, I find it works ratherly quickly, within days, but after a couple of weeks, I start to get used to it. So I take a week off and then start taking it again.
 
Thanks for posting that study Rodja, if anything that persuades me to try Testofen.
The testofen group clearly lost fat, and replaced it with muscle, hence stayed around the same weight. Also the basically 100% testostorone increase.
The only down side is the study doesn't seem that professional. Also, the average height of the men in the study was 165cm. Thats less than 5'6, seems strange unless it was carried out in Malaysia or something.
 
steam said:
only the Gencor product is Testofen...do not assume plain fenugreek to be representative of it
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Testofen= 50% fenusides. Im pretty sure that "fenusides" are protodioscin extracted from fenugreek.

Fenusterols are supposed to be furostanol glycosides.

Fenugreek 50% extract is a broad range extract of steroidal saponins.

Fenugreek is just a full-spectrum, non-standardized herb.

The fenugreek in Glycobol is standardized to 4-hydroxyisoleucine.

There are even more extracts from fenugreek.
 
I have heard before that fenugreek should be cycled off of after 3 to 4 weeks. Is this the truth, or just BS to make it seem like it is more powerful than it is. Also, should it be dosed with food or not? I think when I took it a couple years back, I popped 6 caps before bed on an empty stomach with good results.
 
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