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ANDROGIN product FAQ NEW BLR PRODUCT!!!

Bagofturdwind said:
Any concern of antioxidant overload? I know most of these ingredients alone (korean mistletoe extract, loquat fruit aka eriobotrya japonica, catechins, etc.) are very potent antioxidant extracts. Now we’re adding in a plethora of extracts from ginseng with Androgin. There’s been some evidence that antioxidant overload could actually elicit a pro-oxidant effect and is associated with cancer. Any concern of too much of a good thing stacking all these?
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I’d be more concerned with antioxidants reducing muscle damage.
I don’t think the amount of antioxidants in any of their products would be so much that it would be overload, if so it would stunt muscle growth before anything.
 
Bagofturdwind said:
Any concern of antioxidant overload? I know most of these ingredients alone (korean mistletoe extract, loquat fruit aka eriobotrya japonica, catechins, etc.) are very potent antioxidant extracts. Now we’re adding in a plethora of extracts from ginseng with Androgin. There’s been some evidence that antioxidant overload could actually elicit a pro-oxidant effect and is associated with cancer. Any concern of too much of a good thing stacking all these?
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No
 
dukes3577 said:
Just curious, with the inclusion of Cistanche was there any noted pro erectile effects?
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This was not something we studied directly.
But with the increase in testosterone expected and direct androgen receptor activity there is potential for this effect.
 
brundel said:
This was not something we studied directly.
But with the increase in testosterone expected and direct androgen receptor activity there is potential for this effect.
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Did any of the subjects that used the supplement comment on libido/drive/etc?
 
How effective should this be on a cut? I am planning an ~8 week modest calorie deficit soon followed by a lean bulk. Would it be worth it to run this on the cut or should I wait for the bulk? I am sure the best answer would be to use on both but funds are a bit tight and that isn’t possible right now so, I want to get the best bang for the buck. Thanks.
 
Stern3657 said:
How effective should this be on a cut? I am planning an ~8 week modest calorie deficit soon followed by a lean bulk. Would it be worth it to run this on the cut or should I wait for the bulk? I am sure the best answer would be to use on both but funds are a bit tight and that isn’t possible right now so, I want to get the best bang for the buck. Thanks.
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For me this could go either way. With something as potent as this and only being in a modest calorie deficit, I could definitely see a recomp happening. Either way id prefer to use the natty anabolics on a cut to maintain the muscle mass Ive worked so hard for.
 
Cheeky Monkey said:
Was transdermal application considered for Androgin?
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These are not really good transdermal candidates.
For example Rb1 is roughly double the cutoff for molecular weight and the cost vs bioavailability ratio is not there.
Not everything is suitable for transdermal administration.
 
patrick25 said:
Was thinking of adding Viron and Cumin supplement to this would that add anything or just be overkill?
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Viron would help your free test levels to rise and will suppress cortisol. Always a good addition.
Not sure about cumin unless your making indian food.
 
I am reading that intestinal flora metabolizes certain ginsenosides to different ones. RG1 -> RH1/RH2. guessing that this process is also individualized depending on gut flora. We know that cyclodextrin addition should increase certain ginsenoside RG1/RB1 to be absorbed before it is metabolized to different ginsenosides. Since these appear to be most anabolic & SARM like. I think I remember reading that fermented ginseng extracts which show different bioavailability (GS15-4). An individual that takes kimchi, kombucha, kefir would have a different response to supplementation of ginsenosides. I understand that cyclodextrin addition should minimize metabolism from the intended ginsenosides. How is pro and prebiotic intakes play a role here or doesnt?
 
barische said:
I am reading that intestinal flora metabolizes certain ginsenosides to different ones. RG1 -> RH1/RH2. guessing that this process is also individualized depending on gut flora. We know that cyclodextrin addition should increase certain ginsenoside RG1/RB1 to be absorbed before it is metabolized to different ginsenosides. Since these appear to be most anabolic & SARM like. I think I remember reading that fermented ginseng extracts which show different bioavailability (GS15-4). An individual that takes kimchi, kombucha, kefir would have a different response to supplementation of ginsenosides. I understand that cyclodextrin addition should minimize metabolism from the intended ginsenosides. How is pro and prebiotic intakes play a role here or doesnt?
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Post a link to the study you are talking about.
 
if I currently take ginseng on workout days and certain other days, should I completely stop taking ginseng if I’m taking androgin or could I still take some on days when I’m going out or something as a lil energy booster?

and does the above only apply to Chinese/Korean/American(?) ginseng ginseng or does it also apply to Siberian ginseng?
 
u_e_s_i said:
if I currently take ginseng on workout days and certain other days, should I completely stop taking ginseng if I’m taking androgin or could I still take some on days when I’m going out or something as a lil energy booster?

and does the above only apply to Chinese/Korean/American(?) ginseng ginseng or does it also apply to Siberian ginseng?
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Feel free to take ginseng.
Its not really the same at this point because while Androgin is partially made from Ginseng ALOT of the components are removed and we are using high potency standardized extracts. Plus we have a 6 component bioavailability package.
If you took a whole bottle of regular ginseng you would still likely not absorb as much ginsenosides.
 
barische said:
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This isnt really relevant.
Its a non human, pitri dish study investigating the effects of RG1 and RH1 on inflammatory cytokines.
I dont see how this applies here.

To your original question.
Gut flora and fauna will always effect metabolism which is a big part of why different drugs work differently for different people but in this case great efforts have been taken to prevent metabolism and while some will likely still occur we cant look at pitri dish studies and studies regarding other types of fermented products to determine an outcome in a non related system.
If you take a prebiotic or probiotic continue to do so.
 
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I think this is a good place to start a deep dyve of some of the data points.
For the nerds reading this stuff you will enjoy some of the studies Ill post.
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we are excited! Give us the purchase link. I have a 2nd child on the way for May. I need to milk the gains till then
 
barische said:
we are excited! Give us the purchase link. I have a 2nd child on the way for May. I need to milk the gains till then
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Oh I remember those days! Don’t worry time flies by! My youngest of 3 is going to be 4 in April and he loves being in the gym with me
 
barische said:
we are excited! Give us the purchase link. I have a 2nd child on the way for May. I need to milk the gains till then
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Lol, Im just using the time we have to get more data out. There is ALOT of supporting data for this stuff. More than anything else we have ever produced. You must be busy with 3 kids! The good news is this stuff is worth it. Worth the wait and the cost.
 
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