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----Anabolic Armageddon: The Peregrination of Trenadrol and M-drol----

Royd The Noyd said:
Work some inclines presses dood.
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that's all I've done for the last 6 months. Not sure why the pic makes my lower pec look bigger, it's quite the opposite. Only incline presses and neck presses for me. Here is a better picture from a different day. I still need more upper, but I"m not sure there's anything more I can do. I guess it's genetic.
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Rip it up!!!!
 
yeah I guess I have been cutting for a bit. Which angle is better for incline, 45 or 65? I think part of my problem is also \shoulder strength doing too much work.
 
Rugger said:
yeah I guess I have been cutting for a bit. Which angle is better for incline, 45 or 65? I think part of my problem is also \shoulder strength doing too much work.
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Thats actually too extreme imo. I prefer anything between 20-40 degrees. Usually have to set up and adjustable bench in a power rack depending on your gym.
 
Rugger said:
yeah I guess I have been cutting for a bit. Which angle is better for incline, 45 or 65? I think part of my problem is also \shoulder strength doing too much work.
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If you care for my two cents:

You have to make sure that you are hitting your upper chest, but you are right on... after a point your shoulders are gonna be doing more of the work. Like the aforementioned above, I too prefer a slight incline, and focus the hell out of squeezing that upper portion of your chest. I am like you, my lower chest will develop fine, but it takes serious work for me to put size on up top on my chest, my shoulders do the job for me if I don't keep them out of the exercise as best I can.

I sometimes like the smith press for incline, rotated with free weights of course, as I feel I can focus more on the contraction of the muscle in the right area.

Keep working that upper chest, it will happen for you.:hammer:
 
Rugger said:
60 this week, 90 the rest of the way.
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Just remember to watch the BP I know your taking proper supports but I found when running this type of combo with s-drol my BP was something I always had to watch.

BTW I've run both combo m-trn/sdrol and 19-nor/sdrol

this is a great cycle for mass and strength I know you'll love it
 
Rugger said:
yeah I guess I have been cutting for a bit. Which angle is better for incline, 45 or 65? I think part of my problem is also \shoulder strength doing too much work.
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i feel the higher the incline the more shoulders are involved, if u wanna hit ur chest more incorporate supersets (high-low cable crossovers, dips/pushups, incline/decline bench) .02 cents...
 
KgTomCat said:
i feel the higher the incline the more shoulders are involved, if u wanna hit ur chest more incorporate supersets (high-low cable crossovers, dips/pushups, incline/decline bench) .02 cents...
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Yeah good call. I watched the Milos chest workout video and decided I will lower down the incline, to maybe 20-30. I think we are exactly right in concluding that I was using too much shoulder. I have been consistently using one click higher than 45 on incline. Perhaps that's why my shoulders have gotten bigger :lol:
 
Jesus I am ****ing hungry!!!!!!
Is this a false hunger that will cause fat gain if I indulge it or is it legitimate?
 
1) I don't wanna get fat!
2) I'm going up to 90mg tomorrow, should I take 60mg early morning before the gym or should I split it up thrice throughout the day.
 
Rugger said:
1) I don't wanna get fat!
2) I'm going up to 90mg tomorrow, should I take 60mg early morning before the gym or should I split it up thrice throughout the day.
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fat, yeah right. I dont think so

Eat clean and smart you will be just fine.

glad to hear you are bumping up-

Personally, i would do 3 caps split- 7am, 3 pm, before bed.
 
Rugger said:
I kind of want to switch my routine so I can hit chest more often. Ideas for me?
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Sometimes if i end up doing chest say twice in 6 days or so i'll do barbell one day and dumbbells the other
 
Rugger said:
yeah I guess I have been cutting for a bit. Which angle is better for incline, 45 or 65? I think part of my problem is also \shoulder strength doing too much work.
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For my last cycle I went down to a 30 degree for presses and 37 for flyes upper chest was also a weak point for me and at these degrees I felt it alot more in my chest and alot less in my delts. .
 
Ruh-roh. Leaking a bit already, on day 3!
Gonna go to the grocery store in a bit and get some B6. There's nothing wrong with leaking, other than it being unpleasant, right?
 
P5P is much more effective then B6 plus you need less dose as well......or get some caber. Personally id stop everything if my nips started leaking.
 
Australian made said:
P5P is much more effective then B6 plus you need less dose as well......or get some caber. Personally id stop everything if my nips started leaking.
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I'm not too worried about it. Or, is there something you know that I don't?
p5p is listed as b6, b2 and magnesium. I can get all three of these at the grocery store. yeah?

Otherwise I can drive about 20 minutes and get a bottle of p5p.
 
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Rugger said:
Ruh-roh. Leaking a bit already, on day 3!
Gonna go to the grocery store in a bit and get some B6. There's nothing wrong with leaking, other than it being unpleasant, right?
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Day 3? is that possible? Seriously rugger.

Watch for puffiness and any growth........I would hit the B6 hard until you get p-5-p(its harder to find).

Chasteberry will help(vitex). Get some GH supps going as well.

Damn.

Did you squeeze or did it just leak?
 
Kristofer68SS said:
Day 3? is that possible? Seriously rugger.

Watch for puffiness and any growth........I would hit the B6 hard until you get p-5-p(its harder to find).

Chasteberry will help(vitex). Get some GH supps going as well.

Damn.

Did you squeeze or did it just leak?
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Kris - Is Vitex and P5P redundant?

I'm going to run Vitex as a support, but wondering if I should add P5P into the fray.
 
TimberLakers said:
Kris - Is Vitex and P5P redundant?

I'm going to run Vitex as a support, but wondering if I should add P5P into the fray.
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Nothing is redundant when it comes to growth or leakage.

At least in my book.

I dosed B6 200mg(100mgX2) and GH supps(somnidren GH then Bulletproof)

I still cant believe rugger has leakage 3 days in.
 
Kristofer68SS said:
Nothing is redundant when it comes to growth or leakage.

At least in my book.

I dosed B6 200mg(100mgX2) and GH supps(somnidren GH then Bulletproof)

I still cant believe rugger has leakage 3 days in.
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That's all I needed to hear. :lol:

There is a 275mg B6 / P5P blend at Vitamin Shoppe that is 91% AS PYRIDOXINE HYDROCHLORIDE AND 9% AS PYRIDOXAL-5'-PHOSPHATE. So approximately 25mg P5P. I'll run that once per day for the life of the cycle.
 
Well not exactly leakage. I did squeeze. The gland behind my left nipple is noticeably larger. I've had high prolactin since my havoc cycle and was just gonna roll the dice with this one. Admittedly not a good idea, but I figured I could contain it if necessary. Looks like it's necessary!

It wasn't much liquid, but enough to feel it in between my fingers. After havoc I had puffy nipples and if I squeezed it would leak, but never enough to feel it between my fingers.

I'm going to go out and get some p5p tomorrow and nip this in the butt. It would have to get really bad for me to quit the cycle.
 
Rugger said:
Well not exactly leakage. I did squeeze. The gland behind my left nipple is noticeably larger. I've had high prolactin since my havoc cycle and was just gonna roll the dice with this one. Admittedly not a good idea, but I figured I could contain it if necessary. Looks like it's necessary!

It wasn't much liquid, but enough to feel it in between my fingers. After havoc I had puffy nipples and if I squeezed it would leak, but never enough to feel it between my fingers.

I'm going to go out and get some p5p tomorrow and nip this in the butt. It would have to get really bad for me to quit the cycle.
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good luck bro.....

hammer that s h i t with the kitchen sink......."they" say, leakage and growth cannot be there with low estrogen. Take that for what its worth as well.

I hear ALRI's restore is a good one to get to. I'm not plugin, just stating. One of the ingredients is Prolact-x. And i quote-

"Prolact-X™ (Chasteberry Diterpine Matrix Extract)
There has been a long history of supplemental use of Chasteberry for treatment of PMS in women. Most researches believe that PMS is commonly the result of high prolactin levels so no surprise that we took an interest in this herb.

The amino acid dopamine is the body’s natural controller of prolactin release. Of course many dopaminergic compounds have been noted as effective treatments for increasing GH secretion as well, which correlates rather well with optimization in male performance due to the fact that elevated prolactin results in decreased GH and IGF-1 production.

The search for the prolactin-suppressive principles in Chasteberry provided a number of compounds with dopaminergic properties. In short, research showed that they bound to recombinant dopamine DA2-receptors and suppressed prolactin release from cultivated lactotrophs as well as in animal experiments. The search for the chemical identity of the dopaminergic compounds resulted in isolation of a number of diterpenes of which some clerodadienols were most important for the prolactin-suppressive effects. They were almost more effective in their prolactin-suppressive properties than dopamine itself.

Naturally just crushing up a bunch of Chasteberry is not likely to do the job, but proper preparation of the de-feminizing herb has finally given us an effective synergist to support male optimization.

So, cool, now that we have dealt with the HPTA suppression and feminizing issues. By doing so the obvious result is a notable and welcomed increase in testosterone production. But hey, why not push all the way and reach for optimization?"
 
I'll check and see if they have chaste also. The place I will be going has a very large selection of NOW stuff, so they probably will have it.
 
chasteberry and leakage

check out this link on chasteberry.
w.aafp.org/afp/20050901/821.html
it says in the article that low dosages of chasteberry (120mg a day) actually increased prolactin levels and can be used to ENHANCE breast milk production.

but when taken at higher dosages (480mg a day) it decreased prolactin levels in men.

just some food for thought.



i'm not a doctor...and i'm not telling u what to do..but u already knew that :-)
 
Rugger said:
I'm not too worried about it. Or, is there something you know that I don't?
p5p is listed as b6, b2 and magnesium. I can get all three of these at the grocery store. yeah?

Otherwise I can drive about 20 minutes and get a bottle of p5p.
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P5P chaste berry, and l dopa.

goto shrubmed.com look up dopamine antagonists, there will be a bunch, and you need to see which ones will help you.

i have a list, but its in the works, PM me if you need me to give you the list.
 
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