AI's Super Swole Stack...GoHard's Quest for Strength Absolute

GoHardOrGoHme said:
I glanced over them and I need to sit down with some time so I can formulate a quality response. That was an EXCELLENT POST! It got me all tingly and hungry for knowledge.

Believe it or not the convo we are having in there is the biochemical basis on why ANY diet will work or fail. Its absolutely basic to truly taking your diet to a new level.

And Yes this is the fasted training DW and Kleen are following except im still learning. I have little time to sit down and truly analyze it so im just trying to encorporate the basics. And I think Im already leaning out even more with just my first week in.

Strength is up b/c even on my light days...the light weight feels lighter.

Most definitely. It's the kind of convo you can take the info we are discussing and use immediately
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Yes the convos have gotten awesome recently. Thanks regarding that post. I was having so many revelations I just had to put them down somewhere.

Good to see that the Intermittent Fasting is working for you too. I feel the KISS ideology should remain applied to it in a lot of aspects. It could be overly easy to start over analyzing the how when the how is really easy. Moving away from the dogma of the 6 meal very restrictive meal plan is one of the reasons I truly love the way of eating. Tossing in caloricly dense foods that you would never eat on a cut or recomp and still getting as good or in my case better results than traditional dieting is awesome but the level of satisfaction I have in general by not denying myself foods I wont for long periods is more valuable to me than any other aspect of the diet. I can control insulin and what not with the traditional way. HOWEVER, I can control insulin and have heightened periods of anabolism and freedom with this method. So for me it is, oh how would Charlie Sheen put it?

DUH... WINNING!!!!

A_I_Sports_Nutrition said:
I must say we have a very impressive team of athletes here for team AI. The knowledge you guys bring to the table is a huge help to many people myself included.:)
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I would have to agree. Maybe an alumni or two as well. ;)
GoHardOrGoHme said:
Just wait when I hit med school....THAT'S when some serious knowledge will be thrown down!
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Can't wait!


Oh yeah guys, Andres is already there:
Come one come all and join my new log! I am beta testing Taurus Nutritions new PH, and continuing my log of WYKED. As well as of course discussing my new favorite subject Intermittent Fasting, or more specifically Lean Gains Intermittent Fasting Protocol.

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LIGHT WEIGHT BABAY!!!

Heavy Week:

Squats Wide Parrallel:

135x10
225x5
315x5
405x2
500x5....YEAH BUDDY!!!

Below Parrallel
500x1...NEW PR LIGHT WEIGHT!!

Partial(half squats)
635x....not going to lie I didnt count i went till I collapsed

Partial Starting from Dead Weight:
635x....maybe like 5 or 6....then i just stood there allowing the weight to crush me a little longer till i collapsed again


Box Squats:
315x5
315x5
Note to Self: These are getting easy by the week


Post Workout Meal:
2 scoops dymatize
2 big cans of Tuna(66+grams of protein)
Little bit of mayo to mix(reduced fat mayo made with Olive Oil)
4 slices of ezekial bread

1 hour later
1 scoop of myofusion(my sisters)
1 scoop dymatize

Bed...


Today is cardio...just will hit up some walking to get use to hitting cardio on my off days. Ill up this with time.
 
Notes on Diet:

Lean Gains rocks. Ive been on it for over a week now(going on 2 weeks) and seriously Kleen and DW are not hyping this diet. Im getting stronger, leaner, and eating sloppier. The eating sloppier isnt on purpose...its b/c of life and im just trying to survive. If I was on a normal diet i would be messing up big time, but the diet was seriously tailor made for guys like me. High protein, moderate to low everythign else and 1 huge meal with 2-3 smaller meals.

Getting stronger, getting leaner, looking meaner....8% BF here I come.

Also due to the lack of stims in my life at the moment, it's been hard to get out of bed and go about my day b/c of my lack of sleep. If I didnt have my 2-3 scoops of Maniac Pre-lift it would be a lot harder to get motivated to get those numbers in.

Just ran out of BCAA's...need more recoverpro STAT!

Diet today:
17 ounces Ground Beef (100 grams of protein)
1 cup cooked Brown Rice
2 apples
2 RTD VPX Power Rushes I picked up when filling up on gas (cheaper then buying food at school)

Total Caloric intake is below 2000...protein is a little over 180. Carbs are about 130. Fats are below 50. Ill be more precise later when i do the math.
 
Glad to see the numbers are still climbing!
 
GoHardOrGoHme said:
Notes on Diet:

Lean Gains rocks. Ive been on it for over a week now(going on 2 weeks) and seriously Kleen and DW are not hyping this diet. Im getting stronger, leaner, and eating sloppier. The eating sloppier isnt on purpose...its b/c of life and im just trying to survive. If I was on a normal diet i would be messing up big time, but the diet was seriously tailor made for guys like me. High protein, moderate to low everythign else and 1 huge meal with 2-3 smaller meals.

Getting stronger, getting leaner, looking meaner....8% BF here I come.

Also due to the lack of stims in my life at the moment, it's been hard to get out of bed and go about my day b/c of my lack of sleep. If I didnt have my 2-3 scoops of Maniac Pre-lift it would be a lot harder to get motivated to get those numbers in.

Just ran out of BCAA's...need more recoverpro STAT!

Diet today:
17 ounces Ground Beef (100 grams of protein)
1 cup cooked Brown Rice
2 apples
2 RTD VPX Power Rushes I picked up when filling up on gas (cheaper then buying food at school)

Total Caloric intake is below 2000...protein is a little over 180. Carbs are about 130. Fats are below 50. Ill be more precise later when i do the math.
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Fast and gorge!! Fast and gorge!!
 
Man Andres I am happy you are having a great experience with it too. When you are ready to add size just add calories to same hourly framework.
 
John Smeton said:
How long are you doing this diet and when do you plan on bumping calories back up?
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When Im done cutting....which may be for awhile

MrKleen73 said:
Man Andres I am happy you are having a great experience with it too. When you are ready to add size just add calories to same hourly framework.
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You called...this is def a diet designed for guys like us. And the great part about it I have a lot more flexibility and control of how I gain/lose weight. Hopefully this will allow me to truly reach that next level of athleticism
 
Heavy Bench Day

Took a sample of Mesomorph before lifting. I was very much surprised. Definitely a very good pre-workout. Got 3 more samples so lets see if it lives up to the hype. But today was an excellent lift


Bench:
135x10
135x5
225x5
275x1
315x1
365x1
405x1 with a little bit of a spot
405x1 same as the above

Starting to control my max on bench on a more rgular basis. Good stuff.

Partial with Pausing at top:
455x3
455x2
Popped 1 Glycobol+1 Pslin

Light Incline dumbell
70x20
70x15
70x10

Bench till Failure
135x25

Dips
x20
x10
x6....pausing and holding

Post workout meal:
6 oz of dried Whole Wheat Pasta
11 ounces of Lean Ground Beef
3 chicken drumsticks no skin
2 cups of Prego Pasta Sauce
3 TNA(USP Labs dosing 9 a day now for the last 13 days)


Solid workout for a Heavy Day.
 
very nice heavy workout. Impressive strength. I am sure you will reach the next level and keep learning what is working best for yourself and using it
 
MrKleen73 said:
Yes the convos have gotten awesome recently. Thanks regarding that post. I was having so many revelations I just had to put them down somewhere.

Good to see that the Intermittent Fasting is working for you too. I feel the KISS ideology should remain applied to it in a lot of aspects. It could be overly easy to start over analyzing the how when the how is really easy. Moving away from the dogma of the 6 meal very restrictive meal plan is one of the reasons I truly love the way of eating. Tossing in caloricly dense foods that you would never eat on a cut or recomp and still getting as good or in my case better results than traditional dieting is awesome but the level of satisfaction I have in general by not denying myself foods I wont for long periods is more valuable to me than any other aspect of the diet. I can control insulin and what not with the traditional way. HOWEVER, I can control insulin and have heightened periods of anabolism and freedom with this method. So for me it is, oh how would Charlie Sheen put it?

DUH... WINNING!!!!



I would have to agree. Maybe an alumni or two as well. ;)
Can't wait!


Oh yeah guys, Andres is already there:
Come one come all and join my new log! I am beta testing Taurus Nutritions new PH, and continuing my log of WYKED. As well as of course discussing my new favorite subject Intermittent Fasting, or more specifically Lean Gains Intermittent Fasting Protocol.

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Ah who are you a new guy LMAO!!!:kidding:
 
Weekend Update:

Good weekend. Saturday hit up some heavy back and sunday got some sun and cardio at the beach.

Saturday:

Deadlift:
135x5
225x5
315x5
405x3
500x1

Partials(with pausing):
495x2
495x1
495x3

half reps:
405x5
405x3
315x6

SuperSets:
Pulldown/Seated V-row
150x8/150x8
150x8/150x7
150x7/150x5

Reverse Grip Row:
135x8
135x8
135x8

Revers Grip Pulldown:
100x8
100x8

Quick Biceps:five sets of hammers...slow and controlled 30lbx5 reps in 3-4 minutes


Sunday:
Beach...swimming...walking...pick up game of volleyball lasted about an hour. Nice tan.

Today is light legs.
 
I think its about time I start taking this cut really seriously and make a new log with before and after pictures to really motivate me to have a defined outcome.

Im really starting to get a hang of lean gains and its showing on scale and in the mirror. Gym performance has not dwindled. Now I just need a quality stack to speed up the cutting process.

I am already planning my next Swole Stack. The thought of it is making my muscle swell with anticipation!
 
GoHardOrGoHme said:
I think its about time I start taking this cut really seriously and make a new log with before and after pictures to really motivate me to have a defined outcome.

Im really starting to get a hang of lean gains and its showing on scale and in the mirror. Gym performance has not dwindled. Now I just need a quality stack to speed up the cutting process.

I am already planning my next Swole Stack. The thought of it is making my muscle swell with anticipation!
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Excellent! I can't wait to follow along. A new log with a new set goal can give some serious motivation too. Ready to see the cuts!
 
GoHardOrGoHme said:
Weekend Update:

Good weekend. Saturday hit up some heavy back and sunday got some sun and cardio at the beach.

Saturday:

Deadlift:
135x5
225x5
315x5
405x3
500x1

Partials(with pausing):
495x2
495x1
495x3

half reps:
405x5
405x3
315x6

SuperSets:
Pulldown/Seated V-row
150x8/150x8
150x8/150x7
150x7/150x5

Reverse Grip Row:
135x8
135x8
135x8

Revers Grip Pulldown:
100x8
100x8

Quick Biceps:five sets of hammers...slow and controlled 30lbx5 reps in 3-4 minutes


Sunday:
Beach...swimming...walking...pick up game of volleyball lasted about an hour. Nice tan.

Today is light legs.
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Great workout Andres!!
 
Nice work man! I'd love to see the results this diet...Post away and i'll follow along!
 
GoHardOrGoHme said:
Weekend Update:

Good weekend. Saturday hit up some heavy back and sunday got some sun and cardio at the beach.

Saturday:

Deadlift:
135x5
225x5
315x5
405x3
500x1

Partials(with pausing):
495x2
495x1
495x3

half reps:
405x5
405x3
315x6

SuperSets:
Pulldown/Seated V-row
150x8/150x8
150x8/150x7
150x7/150x5

Reverse Grip Row:
135x8
135x8
135x8

Revers Grip Pulldown:
100x8
100x8

Quick Biceps:five sets of hammers...slow and controlled 30lbx5 reps in 3-4 minutes


Sunday:
Beach...swimming...walking...pick up game of volleyball lasted about an hour. Nice tan.

Today is light legs.
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Andres your are freaking beast, 500 lb deadlift ! what are partials and half stuff...rack deads?

I need/want to visit you on the beach. a swim and volley ball game sounds fun. you meet any girls ?
 
John Smeton said:
Andres your are freaking beast, 500 lb deadlift ! what are partials and half stuff...rack deads?

I need/want to visit you on the beach. a swim and volley ball game sounds fun. you meet any girls ?
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Thank you John. I have a long way to go but I greatly appreciate the compliment. Partial deads are rack deads slightly below/at the knee and half reps are from the shin up.

Nothing worth mentioning. There was this one woman running on the beach that I was about tempted to catch up to her and ask her about lifting...she made me look like a toddle. Heck she looked like Kleen...she with a bigger back and arms. She had to weigh well over 200lbs.


Today was my light leg day. Took another sample of mesomorpth and got to work:

ATG squats:
135
135
225
315
315
275
275
275

front squat/leg extension superset
135x10/90x10
135x10/135x10
135x10/135x6>90x8> no rest back toFronts 135x6/90x10

Box Squat/GHR superset
135x10/8
225x10/8
225x10/8

GHRx8

Calves and stretching.

Post workout meal:
163g protein
Bowl of fruit
75g of complex carbs(whole wheat wraps with a total of 40 grams of fiber)
very low fat
 
GoHardOrGoHme said:
Thank you John. I have a long way to go but I greatly appreciate the compliment. Partial deads are rack deads slightly below/at the knee and half reps are from the shin up.

Nothing worth mentioning. There was this one woman running on the beach that I was about tempted to catch up to her and ask her about lifting...she made me look like a toddle. Heck she looked like Kleen...she with a bigger back and arms. She had to weigh well over 200lbs.
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That is very rare to see. She must have been a competitive bodybuilder or used to. are you attracted to bodybuilder type girls?
 
Fitness is cool but i find female bodybuilders are a bit over the top for me!
 
I used to love the older female body builders. However now they just look gross. A well muscled fitness chick does it for me, but there is a very fine line between fine and funky!
 
This was my first body builder fantasy, she would be a fitness model by today's standards. Cory Everson was the bees knees!

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John Smeton said:
That is very rare to see. She must have been a competitive bodybuilder or used to. are you attracted to bodybuilder type girls?
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Im attracted to women who look like women. I find it EXTRA attractive if she can push weight while maintaining a womanly figure. I dont mind muscle on a girl...i actually prefer it, kinda like the woman Chris posted below. She has a womanly figure but has great definition and muscle development. But when a woman str8 up looks like a man due to her phsyique, she has now entered the friend zone lol. She can be my lifting partner, but not a romantic partner(if we are only going on looks).

NOW...if she got that large naturally...and she was genetically 100% woman THEN I would breed with her for her genes so that my son's can reap the benefit lol. That's how much I will love my children lol!
 
GoHardOrGoHme said:
Im attracted to women who look like women. I find it EXTRA attractive if she can push weight while maintaining a womanly figure. I dont mind muscle on a girl...i actually prefer it, kinda like the woman Chris posted below. She has a womanly figure but has great definition and muscle development. But when a woman str8 up looks like a man due to her phsyique, she has now entered the friend zone lol. She can be my lifting partner, but not a romantic partner(if we are only going on looks).

NOW...if she got that large naturally...and she was genetically 100% woman THEN I would breed with her for her genes so that my son's can reap the benefit lol. That's how much I will love my children lol!
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Amen to that.:firedevil:
 
MrKleen73 said:
I used to love the older female body builders. However now they just look gross. A well muscled fitness chick does it for me, but there is a very fine line between fine and funky!
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I think figure or fitness for me, I do like bigger women too though.. amazonian it hot...
 
Yesterday's Light Chest workout:

Bench no arching:
135x10
135x5
185x1
225x1
225x15
275x6+2 negatives
225x4
225x1

Dumbbell Bench:
100x6
100x4
100x4

Incline Dumbell:
100x3
100x3
70x10>Incline Bench 135x4

Incline bench 135x10> Dumbell 70x1

Incline bench 135x10> Dumbell 40x10

Hammer Smith Bench:
90x10
90x10
90x10
110x10>70x8>50x10
I did a couple more sets but I forgot how much and for how many

Cable Flies with pausing and squeezing:
40x8
30x12
30x10
30x10

Hammer Smith Flies....i wasnt keeping track i was just trying to take my chest to failure

3 sets of pushups and my chest was spent.

Didnt feel all that strong today. Strength felt zapped after 225x15. Probably has to do with the fact Tuesdays was super low calorie(all I had was tilapia that day). It wasnt by choice but it was all I had. Also my first meal before the workout was really crappy (2 double cheeseburgers). So I would blame it more on lack of proper fuel that led to me feeling so weak.

Ordering some custom protein mixes from protein factory to try them out. If I like them then Ill order more and have that ready for my new log.

Just gotta get a fat burning stack to make the log complete and I can start it up!
 
GoHardOrGoHme said:
Yesterday's Light Chest workout:

Bench no arching:
135x10
135x5
185x1
225x1
225x15
275x6+2 negatives
225x4
225x1

Dumbbell Bench:
100x6
100x4
100x4

Incline Dumbell:
100x3
100x3
70x10>Incline Bench 135x4

Incline bench 135x10> Dumbell 70x1

Incline bench 135x10> Dumbell 40x10

Hammer Smith Bench:
90x10
90x10
90x10
110x10>70x8>50x10
I did a couple more sets but I forgot how much and for how many

Cable Flies with pausing and squeezing:
40x8
30x12
30x10
30x10

Hammer Smith Flies....i wasnt keeping track i was just trying to take my chest to failure

3 sets of pushups and my chest was spent.

Didnt feel all that strong today. Strength felt zapped after 225x15. Probably has to do with the fact Tuesdays was super low calorie(all I had was tilapia that day). It wasnt by choice but it was all I had. Also my first meal before the workout was really crappy (2 double cheeseburgers). So I would blame it more on lack of proper fuel that led to me feeling so weak.

Ordering some custom protein mixes from protein factory to try them out. If I like them then Ill order more and have that ready for my new log.

Just gotta get a fat burning stack to make the log complete and I can start it up!
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Damn nice workout Andres!!
 
GoHardOrGoHme said:
Yesterday's Light Chest workout:

Bench no arching:
135x10
135x5
185x1
225x1
225x15
275x6+2 negatives
225x4
225x1

Dumbbell Bench:
100x6
100x4
100x4

Incline Dumbell:
100x3
100x3
70x10>Incline Bench 135x4

Incline bench 135x10> Dumbell 70x1

Incline bench 135x10> Dumbell 40x10

Hammer Smith Bench:
90x10
90x10
90x10
110x10>70x8>50x10
I did a couple more sets but I forgot how much and for how many

Cable Flies with pausing and squeezing:
40x8
30x12
30x10
30x10

Hammer Smith Flies....i wasnt keeping track i was just trying to take my chest to failure

3 sets of pushups and my chest was spent.

Didnt feel all that strong today. Strength felt zapped after 225x15. Probably has to do with the fact Tuesdays was super low calorie(all I had was tilapia that day). It wasnt by choice but it was all I had. Also my first meal before the workout was really crappy (2 double cheeseburgers). So I would blame it more on lack of proper fuel that led to me feeling so weak.

Ordering some custom protein mixes from protein factory to try them out. If I like them then Ill order more and have that ready for my new log.

Just gotta get a fat burning stack to make the log complete and I can start it up!
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I hope to someday use 275 in a LIGHT DAY!!!! My best ever was to put up 275x9.
 
Alright seriously...this is ridiculous...EVERYONE should jump on this ASAP!!


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HELLO ALL YOU ANABOLIC MINDS!!!

So my new stack/routine is almost underway. I had an excellent back day friday and saturday was a nice light and easy shoulder day.

Here is the stack:
HGHpro(pre-bed) stacked with Powerfull(pre-lift)
RecoverPro
Maniac...may change this up since Ive been using it for awhile now. It gets addicting.
Dexaprine: 1x a day
Adipoxil: 2 pills 1x a day
TT-33: 1-2 pills a day
Custom made intra-workout and protein.

Im going off the deep end in my opinion since I normally dont use 3'5. I will have a nice PCT lined up for the thyroid. This stack will be 2 months. Diet will be Lean Gains. The Thyroid PCT will continue the cutting stack for another month leading into another strength phase with 5/3/1.

Im going to take this week off from lifting hard. This will be my deload week before I start my new log. First off Im taking this week off b/c im starting to get that extra worn out feeling. Strength feels zapped due to lack of mental state(which tells me my CNS is worn out and needs a rest). Second it's going to help with recovery and overall performance. Third it will give me time to focus on cardio and diet.

I tried to do heavy squats and I just wasnt there. So Ill do a whole lot of walking this week, very light exercises to deload and get ready to hit it again next week.
 
GoHardOrGoHme said:
HELLO ALL YOU ANABOLIC MINDS!!!

So my new stack/routine is almost underway. I had an excellent back day friday and saturday was a nice light and easy shoulder day.

Here is the stack:
HGHpro(pre-bed) stacked with Powerfull(pre-lift)
RecoverPro
Maniac...may change this up since Ive been using it for awhile now. It gets addicting.
Dexaprine: 1x a day
Adipoxil: 2 pills 1x a day
TT-33: 1-2 pills a day
Custom made intra-workout and protein.

Im going off the deep end in my opinion since I normally dont use 3'5. I will have a nice PCT lined up for the thyroid. This stack will be 2 months. Diet will be Lean Gains. The Thyroid PCT will continue the cutting stack for another month leading into another strength phase with 5/3/1.

Im going to take this week off from lifting hard. This will be my deload week before I start my new log. First off Im taking this week off b/c im starting to get that extra worn out feeling. Strength feels zapped due to lack of mental state(which tells me my CNS is worn out and needs a rest). Second it's going to help with recovery and overall performance. Third it will give me time to focus on cardio and diet.

I tried to do heavy squats and I just wasnt there. So Ill do a whole lot of walking this week, very light exercises to deload and get ready to hit it again next week.
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Nice looking stack Andres.
 
A_I_Sports_Nutrition said:
Are you taking TestoPRO again LOL.:bigok:
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Yes... yes I am...:banana:

GoHardOrGoHme said:
HELLO ALL YOU ANABOLIC MINDS!!!

So my new stack/routine is almost underway. I had an excellent back day friday and saturday was a nice light and easy shoulder day.

Here is the stack:
HGHpro(pre-bed) stacked with Powerfull(pre-lift)
RecoverPro
Maniac...may change this up since Ive been using it for awhile now. It gets addicting.
Dexaprine: 1x a day
Adipoxil: 2 pills 1x a day
TT-33: 1-2 pills a day
Custom made intra-workout and protein.

Im going off the deep end in my opinion since I normally dont use 3'5. I will have a nice PCT lined up for the thyroid. This stack will be 2 months. Diet will be Lean Gains. The Thyroid PCT will continue the cutting stack for another month leading into another strength phase with 5/3/1.

Im going to take this week off from lifting hard. This will be my deload week before I start my new log. First off Im taking this week off b/c im starting to get that extra worn out feeling. Strength feels zapped due to lack of mental state(which tells me my CNS is worn out and needs a rest). Second it's going to help with recovery and overall performance. Third it will give me time to focus on cardio and diet.

I tried to do heavy squats and I just wasnt there. So Ill do a whole lot of walking this week, very light exercises to deload and get ready to hit it again next week.
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The lean gains diet seems to have optimized my thyroid somehow, how else can you explean a 650 cal increase and 4 less hours cardio a week and lose fat faster than I ever have in my life.
 
DreamWeaver said:
Yes... yes I am...:banana:



The lean gains diet seems to have optimized my thyroid somehow, how else can you explean a 650 cal increase and 4 less hours cardio a week and lose fat faster than I ever have in my life.
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More activation of the HSL via increase glucagon secretion during times of fasting. Also an increase in metabolic rate in times of feeding would make it harder to gain weight during feeding.

You're thyroid output may be upregulated but I can see several if not many different avenues for thwe increase in fat metabolism.

Anyone come across an article on the effects of IF and thyroid output?
 
Just got my custom mixes:

1lb each to try

IntraWorkout:
20% Dextros
20% Rilose
40% PeptoPro
20% Hydrolyzed 520

PostWorkout:
15% Super Plasma Protein(Bovine)
25% Tri-FX Whey
30% Aussie Casein
40% Native Whey Isolate

These may change the next time I order. Today I may do a nice arm routine. It's been awhile since i focused on arms and Ill get to check out how well my mix works in increasing recovery.
 
GoHardOrGoHme said:
More activation of the HSL via increase glucagon secretion during times of fasting. Also an increase in metabolic rate in times of feeding would make it harder to gain weight during feeding.

You're thyroid output may be upregulated but I can see several if not many different avenues for thwe increase in fat metabolism.

Anyone come across an article on the effects of IF and thyroid output?
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Whatever it is.. it's freaky..:scared:
 
GoHardOrGoHme said:
More activation of the HSL via increase glucagon secretion during times of fasting. Also an increase in metabolic rate in times of feeding would make it harder to gain weight during feeding.

You're thyroid output may be upregulated but I can see several if not many different avenues for thwe increase in fat metabolism.

Anyone come across an article on the effects of IF and thyroid output?
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Now I do not know the mechanics of it xactly but I do know that metabolism increases during fasting. I would assume this is via the thyroid stimulating the metabolism to increase so that we feel the need to hunt and forage... Before fasting turns to starvation it actually increases metabolism. Once you pass the point of a fast and enter into starvation the metabolism then slows trying to make the body more efficient, but that is not the case during the initial fast, only when taken too long which is far longer than any of us fast with the intermittent protocal. Even the ADF or alternate day fasting does not reach that point and that is a 24 hour fast.
GoHardOrGoHme said:
Just got my custom mixes:

1lb each to try

IntraWorkout:
20% Dextros
20% Rilose
40% PeptoPro
20% Hydrolyzed 520

PostWorkout:
15% Super Plasma Protein(Bovine)
25% Tri-FX Whey
30% Aussie Casein
40% Native Whey Isolate

These may change the next time I order. Today I may do a nice arm routine. It's been awhile since i focused on arms and Ill get to check out how well my mix works in increasing recovery.
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Looks nice, where were these from again? Was looking into getting some bulk SPP.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Now I do not know the mechanics of it xactly but I do know that metabolism increases during fasting. I would assume this is via the thyroid stimulating the metabolism to increase so that we feel the need to hunt and forage... Before fasting turns to starvation it actually increases metabolism. Once you pass the point of a fast and enter into starvation the metabolism then slows trying to make the body more efficient, but that is not the case during the initial fast, only when taken too long which is far longer than any of us fast with the intermittent protocal. Even the ADF or alternate day fasting does not reach that point and that is a 24 hour fast.
I should look into this more in depth, you may be onto something

Looks nice, where were these from again? Was looking into getting some bulk SPP.
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Protein factory. You can get bulk SPP for 35.50 a pound. Im considering going bulk SPP and then making a protein mixtury without it. Gotta see which one is more cost efficient.
 
GoHardOrGoHme said:
you mean YOU'RE freaky...i think its been quite established you are a cut above the masses
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Thanks but losing fat has always been very difficullt for me, no longer though...this is a fuggin breeze compared to what I am used to. The sky is the limit now, I can now hold more muscle when I cut and gain less fat when bulk, making it a lean bulk. The fasting regulates me into the metabolism of a mesomorph as apposed to that of an endomorph, I mean how exciting is that!! How much azz am I gonna kick!!! ... Fuggin plenty!!

MrKleen73 said:
Now I do not know the mechanics of it xactly but I do know that metabolism increases during fasting. I would assume this is via the thyroid stimulating the metabolism to increase so that we feel the need to hunt and forage... Before fasting turns to starvation it actually increases metabolism. Once you pass the point of a fast and enter into starvation the metabolism then slows trying to make the body more efficient, but that is not the case during the initial fast, only when taken too long which is far longer than any of us fast with the intermittent protocal. Even the ADF or alternate day fasting does not reach that point and that is a 24 hour fast.
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Makes good sense, describes what I am experiencing, bottom line is it's taken my biggest weakness and turned it into a strength... priceless...
 
Yeah it hase been pretty awesome.

Thanks Andres! I will definitely have to give that a shot. I wonder how much of that SPP I would need to add into my normal mixture to get optimal effects during the fast. The SPP stays available in the intestines much longer than other protein sources so it would be beneficial post workout up until feeding time. Right now I am using GEAR 4 caps post workout to get some SPP in there.
 
Your going to get peeled on that stack and diet of course

are you doing any cardio? yes walking on the beach included. are you going to the beach(es) alot ? perfect weather for it

you can still gain muscle and strength while losing fat as you may know, its just much less than you would if your just a tad under maintenance, maintenance, or over maintenance.
 
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