ADDING TESTOPRO TO TEST CYP 'TRT'

nattydisaster said:
How much do you weigh?

450-480 isnt considered an increase by any means.

That could simply be a matter of getting your levels tested 10 hours apart before your peak.

Same will all the other numbers.

Every doctor would tell you your total T stayed the same, and the slight variation was due to a different time getting bloodwork, and slight lab error (which always occurs).

The increase in estrogen follows your natural increase in free test. Testopro shouldn't be increasing estrogen. Could be from a natural decrease in SHBG. Testofen doesnt decrease SHBG. If there was a natural decrease in SHBG then your free test and estrogen would both increase since both T and E are bound by SHBG
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my weight right now is 227. any increase is welcome considering my total test was double digits when i started. i agree about the estrogen increase and the small increase from 30pg/ml to 40 pg/ml is still well with in range. i am happy that the increase in free test is so much better than the increase in estrogen. btw i would love to see my test level at 800, how long did it take to get it that high?
 
thebigt said:
my weight right now is 227. any increase is welcome considering my total test was double digits when i started. i agree about the estrogen increase and the small increase from 30pg/ml to 40 pg/ml is still well with in range. i am happy that the increase in free test is so much better than the increase in estrogen. btw i would love to see my test level at 800, how long did it take to get it that high?
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The reason I asked you weight is because I cannot believe how low your testosterone is for 200mg/week.

I am taking 75mg a week, and my test is at 800 at its peak between day 4 and 5. It took me about 2 months. On day 7 my levels are still around 650. I am around 180lbs. If I pump it up to 100mg/week it goes up to about 850 at its peak, so not much difference, which is why i stay at 75 to keep my estrogen and DHT lower and reduce the risk of the GnRH shutdown.

The increase in test is good, yea, but what I was trying to say is that you didn't really have an increase in test. You just had your blood drawn at a different time + slight lab error differentiation.

The increase in free test is good as well. But like I said I don't think your increase in free test could be from the supplement you are taking unless the supplement also increases estrogen, which it shouldnt because all it really is is Testofen.

Then again testofen only has sponsored studies so it could be all BS.

If you want advice on how to actually get your levels up there without all the BS supplements shoot me a PM. This is basically what I deal with day in and day out.
 
nattydisaster said:
The reason I asked you weight is because I cannot believe how low your testosterone is for 200mg/week.

I am taking 75mg a week, and my test is at 800 at its peak between day 4 and 5. It took me about 2 months. On day 7 my levels are still around 650. I am around 180lbs. If I pump it up to 100mg/week it goes up to about 850 at its peak, so not much difference, which is why i stay at 75 to keep my estrogen and DHT lower and reduce the risk of the GnRH shutdown.

The increase in test is good, yea, but what I was trying to say is that you didn't really have an increase in test. You just had your blood drawn at a different time + slight lab error differentiation.

The increase in free test is good as well. But like I said I don't think your increase in free test could be from the supplement you are taking unless the supplement also increases estrogen, which it shouldnt because all it really is is Testofen.

Then again testofen only has sponsored studies so it could be all BS.

If you want advice on how to actually get your levels up there without all the BS supplements shoot me a PM. This is basically what I deal with day in and day out.
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i will shoot you a pm and we will talk. my test was so low that my doc called me on the phone and told me to come in, he gave me-well his nurse gave me a 400 mg shot in the office. my test was 37, yeah thats right. my balls had stopped making test completely. and i sheit you not the testopro has made a difference-in mood and libido- after the last time i ran testopro and stopped taking it i felt a big drop off. now that i am back on it i have much more libido- i swear to you the testopro has made a significant difference. i really truly like this stuff.
 
thebigt said:
i will shoot you a pm and we will talk. my test was so low that my doc called me on the phone and told me to come in, he gave me-well his nurse gave me a 400 mg shot in the office. my test was 37, yeah thats right. my balls had stopped making test completely. and i sheit you not the testopro has made a difference-in mood and libido- after the last time i ran testopro and stopped taking it i felt a big drop off. now that i am back on it i have much more libido- i swear to you the testopro has made a significant difference. i really truly like this stuff.
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But you're on 200mg/week synthetic testosterone...you dont think that made a difference?
 
nattydisaster said:
But you're on 200mg/week synthetic testosterone...you dont think that made a difference?
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of course, lol. this is 2nd bottle of testopro i have used, when i started getting these effects from the 1st bottle at first i thought it was just the test kicking in. but the difference was considerable. when i stopped the testopro after 1st bottle, there was a significant let down, in mood, libido and motivation. seriously after starting testopro again i am getting that effect again. i am just marking it up as great synergy with the test/testopro, what do you think?
 
thebigt said:
of course, lol. this is 2nd bottle of testopro i have used, when i started getting these effects from the 1st bottle at first i thought it was just the test kicking in. but the difference was considerable. when i stopped the testopro after 1st bottle, there was a significant let down, in mood, libido and motivation. seriously after starting testopro again i am getting that effect again. i am just marking it up as great synergy with the test/testopro, what do you think?
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Probably mostly placebo, only because with the ingredient profile of Testopro, it doesn't offer much of an affect on your lab values when youre dosing your TRT. I shot you a PM. I'll tell you how to get your levels up and libido up.
 
Just to clarify for the readers, if you are on TRT, a supplement CAN NOT and WILL NOT alter your total testosterone. Your body is producing 0 naturally...esp bigt with his lovely 37 value.

It's just not possible. Drugs can, but not supplements.

I guess a 5a-reductase inhibitor could just slightly.
 
nattydisaster said:
Just to clarify for the readers, if you are on TRT, a supplement CAN NOT and WILL NOT alter your total testosterone. Your body is producing 0 naturally...esp bigt with his lovely 37 value.

It's just not possible.
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that's it just rub my 37 in, lol. :rasp:
 
libido and mood continue to be very high, had a good night at work decided to just come home, spend time with my wife and get some sleep. woke up feeling good, and very hungry. ate almost 2 cans of tuna and a hard boiled egg, with some seasoned collard greens thrown in. :veryhappy:
 
thebigt said:
libido and mood continue to be very high, had a good night at work decided to just come home, spend time with my wife and get some sleep. woke up feeling good, and very hungry. ate almost 2 cans of tuna and a hard boiled egg, with some seasoned collard greens thrown in. :veryhappy:
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Very nice bro I am glad the TestoPRO is helping.
 
GEt'm big t get'm hahah glad to see everything is going well!!! I've been out a lil while but things are starting to get brighter!!!! WOOOO
 
Aaelael said:
GEt'm big t get'm hahah glad to see everything is going well!!! I've been out a lil while but things are starting to get brighter!!!! WOOOO
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feeling good my friend, things are going real well. libido is up-the wife is willing and just got christmas bonus.:veryhappy:
 
pembroke3355 said:
Your a trip bro.:)
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hahaha, did someone say trip. damn, it is nasty as hell here in indy today.:grumpy: took dog to the park and he acted like he didn't even want to be out in this sheit. oh well, i can always count on it to be nice and hot at work, lol.
 
thebigt said:
hahaha, did someone say trip. damn, it is nasty as hell here in indy today.:grumpy: took dog to the park and he acted like he didn't even want to be out in this sheit. oh well, i can always count on it to be nice and hot at work, lol.
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where you live/ work Tom? Yes I discovered your name now lol!


I live in Minnesota and it gets so effin cold!! Soon 30 degrees feels like summer, no joke.
 
GeekPoop said:
where you live/ work Tom? Yes I discovered your name now lol!


I live in Minnesota and it gets so effin cold!! Soon 30 degrees feels like summer, no joke.
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southside of indy. the sun came out and it made it a lot more cheerful out so me and the dog hit the park. the testopro is keeping me in a good mood-and staying inside more does have it's benefits, so far my wife and i have been fortunate and haven't been sick a day yet this winter.:bigok:
 
libido and mood remain very high, feeling really good lately. aggression at gym is up, and been plowing through some intense [for me] workouts. bedroom calisthenics are very good, stamina, endurance and refractory time are all improved. it has been a long time before starting trt and now testopro that my wife and i had back to back sex sessions-wow, talk about burning some calories.:sasmokin::sasmokin:
 
testopro still keeping libido/mood very high, even higher since colts just won! undefeated baby, yeah!:veryhappy: going to take the dog for a long jog at the park to celebrate...GO COLTS!
 
had a great workout today, strength is climbing. work is getting easier and feeling great. this run of testopro is nearing the end, going to take some time off then run testopro/hghup sometime in the new year.:veryhappy:
 
Bnatural said:
Easy now big fella, can't have that.

Good to be over here, I gotta learn some of the details, its hard being under surveillance, vs. being the surveillance
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much bigger forum, it's easy to stay under the radar-hey if i can do it...:bigok:
 
thebigt said:
had a great workout today, strength is climbing. work is getting easier and feeling great. this run of testopro is nearing the end, going to take some time off then run testopro/hghup sometime in the new year.:veryhappy:
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Sounds good bro. I am happy it is helping you and it is a good idea to take a break after 8 weeks of TestoPRO.
 
pembroke3355 said:
Sounds good bro. I am happy it is helping you and it is a good idea to take a break after 8 weeks of TestoPRO.
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yes i agree, but i will be back on it, lol. i have to say i really enjoy being on testopro, it has worked very well for me and i thank you very much for the opportunity.:veryhappy:
 
thebigt said:
yes i agree, but i will be back on it, lol. i have to say i really enjoy being on testopro, it has worked very well for me and i thank you very much for the opportunity.:veryhappy:
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And we thank you for the time and effort you have put into your logs.:)
 
nattydisaster said:
The reason I asked you weight is because I cannot believe how low your testosterone is for 200mg/week.

I am taking 75mg a week, and my test is at 800 at its peak between day 4 and 5. It took me about 2 months. On day 7 my levels are still around 650. I am around 180lbs. If I pump it up to 100mg/week it goes up to about 850 at its peak, so not much difference, which is why i stay at 75 to keep my estrogen and DHT lower and reduce the risk of the GnRH shutdown.

The increase in test is good, yea, but what I was trying to say is that you didn't really have an increase in test. You just had your blood drawn at a different time + slight lab error differentiation.

The increase in free test is good as well. But like I said I don't think your increase in free test could be from the supplement you are taking unless the supplement also increases estrogen, which it shouldnt because all it really is is Testofen.

Then again testofen only has sponsored studies so it could be all BS.

If you want advice on how to actually get your levels up there without all the BS supplements shoot me a PM. This is basically what I deal with day in and day out.
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The safe max dose is 200mg WHITEOUT conversion to estrogen but DHT and water retention is inevitable in my case i got hair in all my back and hornier like a hell
 
MAxximal said:
The safe max dose is 200mg WHITEOUT conversion to estrogen but DHT and water retention is inevitable in my case i got hair in all my back and hornier like a hell
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The safe max dose is different for everybody....there is no "set safe max dose"

Just because you have hair doesn't mean you don't have an enlarging prostate
 
nattydisaster said:
The safe max dose is different for everybody....there is no "set safe max dose"

Just because you have hair doesn't mean you don't have an enlarging prostate
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yeah-you dog, your total test is almost twice what mine is, on half the test cyp!!!
 
nattydisaster said:
Exactly haha. If i took 200mg i would have the acne of a 16yr old kid and a prostate the size of an orange
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and i am trying just to get total over 500, lol. i am following your protocal and hope to see better results, thanks.
 
I have been taking Testopro for 3 weeks today, I have had morning wood for the last two weeks EVERY morning and sometimes during the night when I roll over and at different times during the day, my wife and I had sex two times in one day and that is a nice suprise, as well as more times a week. I have not really noticed any recomp effects or alot of strength gains to this point. The increased sex drive has been nice and there has been a noticeable increase in my love juice volume, so the experiment continues !!!!!
 
Cuming along nicely I see!! TestoPro really kicks in the libido department...
 
RipdnTxs said:
I have been taking Testopro for 3 weeks today, I have had morning wood for the last two weeks EVERY morning and sometimes during the night when I roll over and at different times during the day, my wife and I had sex two times in one day and that is a nice suprise, as well as more times a week. I have not really noticed any recomp effects or alot of strength gains to this point. The increased sex drive has been nice and there has been a noticeable increase in my love juice volume, so the experiment continues !!!!!
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increased sperm volume really was the biggest surprise for me. since being on trt loads had been decreasing, but while on testopro it was increased by a significant amount. as for recomp i felt i leaned out some while on testopro, but strength gains were hard to judge since strength has been improving since starting trt.
 
how you respond to test[cyp] is age related......many of you guys don't put your age in your profiles.....sure.. when your a young man ..everything works different...
 
RipdnTxs said:
I have been taking Testopro for 3 weeks today, I have had morning wood for the last two weeks EVERY morning and sometimes during the night when I roll over and at different times during the day, my wife and I had sex two times in one day and that is a nice suprise, as well as more times a week. I have not really noticed any recomp effects or alot of strength gains to this point. The increased sex drive has been nice and there has been a noticeable increase in my love juice volume, so the experiment continues !!!!!
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Thank you for the feedback.:)
 
charley said:
how you respond to test[cyp] is age related......many of you guys don't put your age in your profiles.....sure.. when your a young man ..everything works different...
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i agree 100%. i am 51. i think decreased sperm count is pretty much a side to trt no matter the age-not sure but this seems to be the general feedback.
 
thebigt said:
i agree 100%. i am 51. i think decreased sperm count is pretty much a side to trt no matter the age-not sure but this seems to be the general feedback.
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I agree about the sperm count. Its weird. if youre concerned about "load" size, HCG has many benefits to on cycle use. Then again youre on TRT and wont be comming off, so prolly no use for HCG.
 
GeekPoop said:
I agree about the sperm count. Its weird. if youre concerned about "load" size, HCG has many benefits to on cycle use. Then again youre on TRT and wont be comming off, so prolly no use for HCG.
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i have to do more research on hcg, but can't they prescribe that as part of trt?
 
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