Absoluty best well rounded epi product

[Zariph]

Hello

What is the best epicatethin product atm?....Which one has the most goodies + best absorbtion etc? Getting a bit confused with all these different epi products

 

[yates84]

The epicatechin product with the best absorption is epic unleashed by a long shot

 

[The_Old_Guy]

Transdermal or Complexed with Phosphatidylcholine will give you the best bio-availability.

 

[Zariph]

yeh also thought that Ep1c unleashed would be one of the better ones...but then I see some of the epi product like anafuse / myosynergy etc which also contains laxogenin etc? wondered if that was more worth the price

 

[GNO]

yeh also thought that Ep1c unleashed would be one of the better ones...but then I see some of the epi product like anafuse / myosynergy etc which also contains laxogenin etc? wondered if that was more worth the price

Myosynergy is somewhat different as it has several beneficial ingredients that complement the -epi. However, they don't help with absorption. if you don't respond well to regular -epi you still may get something from it.

EPIC Unleashed resolves the absorption problem with -epi which allows the non-responders to reap the rewards! For those that do respond to regular -epi get a nice boost with EU!

 

[LeanEngineer]

yeh also thought that Ep1c unleashed would be one of the better ones...but then I see some of the epi product like anafuse / myosynergy etc which also contains laxogenin etc? wondered if that was more worth the price

In my opinion I think it's better. I've used follidrone and anafuse both and I love follidrone but anafuse with the laxogenin kicks butt! I would advice running a bottle of anafuse first if you don't like it then go with follidrone or ep1c unleashed. All three are killer products though and you wont be disappointed whichever one you go with.

 

[Misfit28]

I also haven't seen any disappointments with CEL Epi-Plex either. I've been running it for months, and have noted endurance and vascularity increases. It contains Piperine for absorption.

 

[booneman77]

I dont know that any of the products can truly claim better absorption as there hasn't been too muhc in the way of legit study (just anecdotal ffedback, really)

Epi-Plex, Ep1C Unleased, etc all have enhancers, but to ssay one is better than the other really seems to be personal preference until more data is avaialble

 

[booneman77]

I dont know that any of the products can truly claim better absorption as there hasn't been too muhc in the way of legit study (just anecdotal ffedback, really)

Epi-Plex, Ep1C Unleased, etc all have enhancers, but to ssay one is better than the other really seems to be personal preference until more data is avaialble

 

[mw1]

I dont know that any of the products can truly claim better absorption as there hasn't been too muhc in the way of legit study (just anecdotal ffedback, really)

Epi-Plex, Ep1C Unleased, etc all have enhancers, but to ssay one is better than the other really seems to be personal preference until more data is avaialble

This^^^^

 

[fightbackhxc]

I also haven't seen any disappointments with CEL Epi-Plex either. I've been running it for months, and have noted endurance and vascularity increases. It contains Piperine for absorption.

The quality and price is nice too.

 

[The_Old_Guy]

I dont know that any of the products can truly claim better absorption as there hasn't been too muhc in the way of legit study (just anecdotal ffedback, really)

Epi-Plex, Ep1C Unleased, etc all have enhancers, but to ssay one is better than the other really seems to be personal preference until more data is avaialble

Agreed, I didn't want to get into it, LOL. I saw nothing with the 1st Gen oral delivery (just like the research used).

Where is the research at these days? Any further studies? Hopefully in trained males showing how much more LBM/Strength you'll have at the end of a year, taking -(-)Epi .vs not?

 

[test112]

What's currently the best bang for one's buck, purely based on mg/$? I'm too lazy to figure it out but I'm sure someone's done the numbers. Thanks in advance!

 

[warbird01]

What's currently the best bang for one's buck, purely based on mg/$? I'm too lazy to figure it out but I'm sure someone's done the numbers. Thanks in advance!

Epi-Plex

http://nutraplanet.com/products/epi-plex-60-capsules/

 

[test112]

Thank you sir

 

[GNO]

What's currently the best bang for one's buck, purely based on mg/$? I'm too lazy to figure it out but I'm sure someone's done the numbers. Thanks in advance!

I think that is the wrong way to look at -epi supplementation since we know bioavailability is an issue. I am not criticizing any one brand as I have only used a couple myself, but it may lead you to use a plain -epi supplement that you may not respond to. Also, it may difficult to determine precise dosage of -epi in some products since they are not disclosed.

Sometimes you get what you pay for... I would just do some research and look at user feedback and -epi logs on AM. There are several on EP1C Unleashed in progress.

 

[BeardedBreast]

Just order two bottles from Olympus.

 

[TheIronAsylum]

so which one is best if iv never used an epi product before

 

[test112]

I think that is the wrong way to look at -epi supplementation since we know bioavailability is an issue. I am not criticizing any one brand as I have only used a couple myself, but it may lead you to use a plain -epi supplement that you may not respond to. Also, it may difficult to determine precise dosage of -epi in some products since they are not disclosed.

Sometimes you get what you pay for... I would just do some research and look at user feedback and -epi logs on AM. There are several on EP1C Unleashed in progress.

True, but is the need and effectiveness of absorption enhancers any better established? Also someone might want to experiment with adding in separate enhancers (piperine, maybe quercetin) on the cheap.

 

[Jiigzz]

True, but is the need and effectiveness of absorption enhancers any better established? Also someone might want to experiment with adding in separate enhancers (piperine, maybe quercetin) on the cheap.

Id buy something like epi plex then add cheap absorption enhancers alongside it.

I doubt you'd need it for a dose that large but the extras are cheap enough

 

[furion]

True, but is the need and effectiveness of absorption enhancers any better established? .

I would say it isn't.

There isn't yet established mechanism of actions for the proposed ergogenic benefits- I've speculated as to potential mechanisms in the write up for Epi-Plex (attached) and from my observations it appears apparent that certain methylated phase II metabolites (3' O-methyl epicatechin in particular) appear to be largely responsible for these. I would go as far as to say that inhibiting/bypassing this arm of the conjugation metabolic pathway of epicatechin might be limiting the complete ergogenic potential.

 

[GNO]

True, but is the need and effectiveness of absorption enhancers any better established? Also someone might want to experiment with adding in separate enhancers (piperine, maybe quercetin) on the cheap.

Are there research studies on it? No, unfortunately not.

These -epi products with absorption enhancers are relatively new so it will take some time to establish a clear distinction between regular -epi. However, we have received feedback on EP1C Unleashed from non-responders to regular -epi that it provided all the benefits expected (ie. strength, endurance, minor fat loss, etc).
There are no guarantees when it comes to supplements even when they are backed by science so all I can suggest is you give it a shot to see if it works for you.

 

[TheIronAsylum]

what makes epic unleashed special i just see epic and green tea in the ingredient list

 

[test112]

Are there research studies on it? No, unfortunately not.

These -epi products with absorption enhancers are relatively new so it will take some time to establish a clear distinction between regular -epi. However, we have received feedback on EP1C Unleashed from non-responders to regular -epi that it provided all the benefits expected (ie. strength, endurance, minor fat loss, etc).
There are no guarantees when it comes to supplements even when they are backed by science so all I can suggest is you give it a shot to see if it works for you.

I'm sure I'll get around to trying it; thanks for the info.

 

[test112]

I would say it isn't.

There isn't yet established mechanism of actions for the proposed ergogenic benefits- I've speculated as to potential mechanisms in the write up for Epi-Plex (attached) and from my observations it appears apparent that certain methylated phase II metabolites (3' O-methyl epicatechin in particular) appear to be largely responsible for these. I would go as far as to say that inhibiting/bypassing this arm of the conjugation metabolic pathway of epicatechin might be limiting the complete ergogenic potential.

Very interesting, thanks. I'm sure the MOA will become clearer in time.

 

[GNO]

what makes epic unleashed special i just see epic and green tea in the ingredient list

EP1C Unleashed contains -epicatechin, EGCG and phosphatidylcholine.

What makes it special is the delivery system that allows your body to absorb the -epi 2x-6x better than -epi alone.

 

[Jiigzz]

EP1C Unleashed contains -epicatechin, EGCG and phosphatidylcholine.

What makes it special is the delivery system that allows your body to absorb the -epi 2x-6x better than -epi alone.

Ive seen a in vitro study on this, have you got any data in humans? Very interesting

 

[TheIronAsylum]

EP1C Unleashed contains -epicatechin, EGCG and phosphatidylcholine.

What makes it special is the delivery system that allows your body to absorb the -epi 2x-6x better than -epi alone.

how does that compare to Epi with piperine

 

[GNO]

how does that compare to Epi with piperine

I don't have any personal experience with -epi with piperine.

I am not aware of any research that compares the two. You can look throughout AM for user experiences with products that have each.

 

[GNO]

how does that compare to Epi with piperine

I don't have any personal experience with -epi with piperine. I am not aware of any research that compares the two either.

You can look throughout AM for user experiences with products that have each.

 

[MrOneEyedBoh]

What's better , pills or transdermal? Same price...

 

[GNO]

What's better , pills or transdermal? Same price...

Personal preference really if you like the convenience of taking a capsule.
Oral will give you a more acute response so good pre-wo.
TD may getter better absorbed so over time may yield more benefits.

I'm partial to the TD.

 

[MrOneEyedBoh]

Maybe get one of each lol.

Is there a better time to use the TD? After a shower, early am or doesn't really matter.

 

[kboxer7]

how does that compare to Epi with piperine

I've used (-)epi with piperine. EpiPlex to be specific. I like CEL and I like the product....BUT, it did take me about a month to get any noticeable benefits at 3 caps per day. You'll see my initial reviews of it were pretty bad because it took a while to work for me.

Ep1C in comparison (for me at least) seemed to kick in a lot faster at 2caps/day. Yeah, its anecdotal, and yes I'm a OL rep, but look around for my reviews of EpiPlex BEFORE I was a rep for Ol and you'll see my stance remains the same.

Feel free to hit me up with any specific questions. I've played around a bit with (-)epi and feel like I've got a good handle on how to best utilize it.

 

[GNO]

Maybe get one of each lol.

Is there a better time to use the TD? After a shower, early am or doesn't really matter.

Post shower is best to avoid washing it off

 

[booneman77]

Post shower is best to avoid washing it off

Also helps to open the pores for better absorption

 

[The_Old_Guy]

how does that compare to Epi with piperine

Curcumin is notorious for having horrible bio-availability. Complex it, and bio-availability shoots up - a' la MerivaTM I'd say better than just Bioperine.

Here: w w w .meriva.info/en/meriva-bioavailable-curcumin/scientific-support/

Whether you get anything out of it, is another story.

 

[mase1]

I am currently logging epic unleashed td and it does everything it claims. I cannot imagine any other epi- product on the same level but in fairness I have not tried epi-plex, the only other one that I would try. But like I said great endurance,pump, and recovery. Have to add I do feel a good mood benefit, maybe just me.

 

[GNO]

I am currently logging epic unleashed td and it does everything it claims. I cannot imagine any other epi- product on the same level but in fairness I have not tried epi-plex, the only other one that I would try. But like I said great endurance,pump, and recovery. Have to add I do feel a good mood benefit, maybe just me.

Could be your in a better mood because your crushing workouts... I know I would be

 

[mase1]

Most definitely, and that stuff mentally carries you through the day. No doubt.

 

[Segansational]

And in case people haven't checked out the company promo section yet, some great Labor Day sales going on for Ep1c Unleashed and other Olympus products.

 

[ucheoma]

I also haven't seen any disappointments with CEL Epi-Plex either. I've been running it for months, and have noted endurance and vascularity increases. It contains Piperine for absorption.

Well here's one disappointment. Ive been on epi-plex for 3 weeks now (2x/day) and noticed zero endurance effects. Very disappointed. I tried follidrone previously and felt marked increases in Endurance during work outs although not always consistently. Cant wait to finish off the bottle and move to EU. Have 2 bottles. Will decide if I want to continue running EPIs after this run

 

[baxtecal]

Well here's one disappointment. Ive been on epi-plex for 3 weeks now (2x/day) and noticed zero endurance effects. Very disappointed. I tried follidrone previously and felt marked increases in Endurance during work outs although not always consistently. Cant wait to finish off the bottle and move to EU. Have 2 bottles. Will decide if I want to continue running EPIs after this run

Same thing happend to me.. I ran 3 bottles of epi 2.0 and 1 bottle of Epi-plex back to back & noticed zilch..nada. I'm guessing I'm a non responder.

 

[EMPIREMIND]

I ran brundel's new epi product and it was great. Strentgh, vascularity and pumps. Great endurance.

 

[Rocket3015]

I ran one bottle of Follidrone and noticed increased endurance with in 3-4 days!

 

[TheIronAsylum]

ordered ep1c unleashed

 

[GNO]

ordered ep1c unleashed

Nice!
Let us know what you think bro.

 

[musclemaker]

Check out the info on Epi 2.0. http://www.strongsupplementshop.com/epi-2-0-by-vital-labs

Why Is Epi 2.0 So Much More Effective Than the Competition?

Vital Labs carefully analyzed Epicatechin, and the unfortunate truth was that when people were taking it, their body was deactivating and barely absorbing majority of it, limiting its’ effectiveness.

The compound that helps you push past your own genetic potential, wasn’t even coming close to meeting its own potential.

The problem was the way your body metabolized the compound. Once in your system, the enzyme that metabolizes Epi would attach a sulfur atom to it - this is what causes the deactivation of the compound. Those same enzymes are also highly present in your skin, so Vital Labs had to immediately rule out a version of the product that you would rub on your skin (transdermal), as that would make the ingredient even less effective.

Vital Labs then discovered the answer to this problem.

The answer lied with an ingredient called Quercetin, an ingredient that inhibits this process, preventing the compound from being deactivated.

In fact, it prevents the deactivation so well, that it is almost doubles the amount of time the compound remains active (half-life) in your system.

Vital Labs went and upped the ante by adding in a massively strong, selective absorption promoter to the formula called Sodium Caprate. An ingredient that temporarily loosens the barriers between your intestines and blood stream selectively allowing compounds like Epi in, and allowing you to get the maximum amount of Epi absorbed!

 

[Rocket3015]

Great Info! Thank you!

 

[goodvibes]

I ran brundel's new epi product and it was great. Strentgh, vascularity and pumps. Great endurance.

I don't really care until it's out cause until then you're just making me drool and I can't do anything about it.