Absoluty best well rounded epi product
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The_Old_Guy
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Transdermal or Complexed with Phosphatidylcholine will give you the best bio-availability.
GNO
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Myosynergy is somewhat different as it has several beneficial ingredients that complement the -epi. However, they don't help with absorption. if you don't respond well to regular -epi you still may get something from it.
EPIC Unleashed resolves the absorption problem with -epi which allows the non-responders to reap the rewards! For those that do respond to regular -epi get a nice boost with EU!
LeanEngineer
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In my opinion I think it's better. I've used follidrone and anafuse both and I love follidrone but anafuse with the laxogenin kicks butt! I would advice running a bottle of anafuse first if you don't like it then go with follidrone or ep1c unleashed. All three are killer products though and you wont be disappointed whichever one you go with.
booneman77
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I dont know that any of the products can truly claim better absorption as there hasn't been too muhc in the way of legit study (just anecdotal ffedback, really)
Epi-Plex, Ep1C Unleased, etc all have enhancers, but to ssay one is better than the other really seems to be personal preference until more data is avaialble
Epi-Plex, Ep1C Unleased, etc all have enhancers, but to ssay one is better than the other really seems to be personal preference until more data is avaialble
booneman77
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I dont know that any of the products can truly claim better absorption as there hasn't been too muhc in the way of legit study (just anecdotal ffedback, really)
Epi-Plex, Ep1C Unleased, etc all have enhancers, but to ssay one is better than the other really seems to be personal preference until more data is avaialble
Epi-Plex, Ep1C Unleased, etc all have enhancers, but to ssay one is better than the other really seems to be personal preference until more data is avaialble
mw1
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This^^^^
fightbackhxc
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I also haven't seen any disappointments with CEL Epi-Plex either. I've been running it for months, and have noted endurance and vascularity increases. It contains Piperine for absorption.
The quality and price is nice too.
The_Old_Guy
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Agreed, I didn't want to get into it, LOL. I saw nothing with the 1st Gen oral delivery (just like the research used).
Where is the research at these days? Any further studies? Hopefully in trained males showing how much more LBM/Strength you'll have at the end of a year, taking -(-)Epi .vs not?
warbird01
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GNO
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I think that is the wrong way to look at -epi supplementation since we know bioavailability is an issue. I am not criticizing any one brand as I have only used a couple myself, but it may lead you to use a plain -epi supplement that you may not respond to. Also, it may difficult to determine precise dosage of -epi in some products since they are not disclosed.
Sometimes you get what you pay for... I would just do some research and look at user feedback and -epi logs on AM. There are several on EP1C Unleashed in progress.
BeardedBreast
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Just order two bottles from Olympus.
TheIronAsylum
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so which one is best if iv never used an epi product before
Jiigzz
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Id buy something like epi plex then add cheap absorption enhancers alongside it.
I doubt you'd need it for a dose that large but the extras are cheap enough
furion
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I would say it isn't.
There isn't yet established mechanism of actions for the proposed ergogenic benefits- I've speculated as to potential mechanisms in the write up for Epi-Plex (attached) and from my observations it appears apparent that certain methylated phase II metabolites (3' O-methyl epicatechin in particular) appear to be largely responsible for these. I would go as far as to say that inhibiting/bypassing this arm of the conjugation metabolic pathway of epicatechin might be limiting the complete ergogenic potential.
GNO
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Are there research studies on it? No, unfortunately not.
These -epi products with absorption enhancers are relatively new so it will take some time to establish a clear distinction between regular -epi. However, we have received feedback on EP1C Unleashed from non-responders to regular -epi that it provided all the benefits expected (ie. strength, endurance, minor fat loss, etc).
There are no guarantees when it comes to supplements even when they are backed by science so all I can suggest is you give it a shot to see if it works for you.
TheIronAsylum
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what makes epic unleashed special i just see epic and green tea in the ingredient list
test112
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Very interesting, thanks. I'm sure the MOA will become clearer in time.
GNO
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EP1C Unleashed contains -epicatechin, EGCG and phosphatidylcholine.
What makes it special is the delivery system that allows your body to absorb the -epi 2x-6x better than -epi alone.
TheIronAsylum
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GNO
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I don't have any personal experience with -epi with piperine.
I am not aware of any research that compares the two. You can look throughout AM for user experiences with products that have each.
GNO
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I don't have any personal experience with -epi with piperine. I am not aware of any research that compares the two either.
You can look throughout AM for user experiences with products that have each.
MrOneEyedBoh
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What's better , pills or transdermal? Same price...
GNO
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Personal preference really if you like the convenience of taking a capsule.
Oral will give you a more acute response so good pre-wo.
TD may getter better absorbed so over time may yield more benefits.
I'm partial to the TD.
MrOneEyedBoh
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Maybe get one of each lol.
Is there a better time to use the TD? After a shower, early am or doesn't really matter.
Is there a better time to use the TD? After a shower, early am or doesn't really matter.
kboxer7
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I've used (-)epi with piperine. EpiPlex to be specific. I like CEL and I like the product....BUT, it did take me about a month to get any noticeable benefits at 3 caps per day. You'll see my initial reviews of it were pretty bad because it took a while to work for me.
Ep1C in comparison (for me at least) seemed to kick in a lot faster at 2caps/day. Yeah, its anecdotal, and yes I'm a OL rep, but look around for my reviews of EpiPlex BEFORE I was a rep for Ol and you'll see my stance remains the same.
Feel free to hit me up with any specific questions. I've played around a bit with (-)epi and feel like I've got a good handle on how to best utilize it.
GNO
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Post shower is best to avoid washing it off
booneman77
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The_Old_Guy
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Curcumin is notorious for having horrible bio-availability. Complex it, and bio-availability shoots up - a' la MerivaTM I'd say better than just Bioperine.
Here: w w w .meriva.info/en/meriva-bioavailable-curcumin/scientific-support/
Whether you get anything out of it, is another story.
mase1
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I am currently logging epic unleashed td and it does everything it claims. I cannot imagine any other epi- product on the same level but in fairness I have not tried epi-plex, the only other one that I would try. But like I said great endurance,pump, and recovery. Have to add I do feel a good mood benefit, maybe just me.
GNO
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Segansational
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And in case people haven't checked out the company promo section yet, some great Labor Day sales going on for Ep1c Unleashed and other Olympus products.
ucheoma
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I also haven't seen any disappointments with CEL Epi-Plex either. I've been running it for months, and have noted endurance and vascularity increases. It contains Piperine for absorption.
Well here's one disappointment. Ive been on epi-plex for 3 weeks now (2x/day) and noticed zero endurance effects. Very disappointed. I tried follidrone previously and felt marked increases in Endurance during work outs although not always consistently. Cant wait to finish off the bottle and move to EU. Have 2 bottles. Will decide if I want to continue running EPIs after this run
baxtecal
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Same thing happend to me.. I ran 3 bottles of epi 2.0 and 1 bottle of Epi-plex back to back & noticed zilch..nada. I'm guessing I'm a non responder.
EMPIREMIND
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Rocket3015
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I ran one bottle of Follidrone and noticed increased endurance with in 3-4 days!
TheIronAsylum
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ordered ep1c unleashed
GNO
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musclemaker
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Check out the info on Epi 2.0. http://www.strongsupplementshop.com/epi-2-0-by-vital-labs
Why Is Epi 2.0 So Much More Effective Than the Competition?
Vital Labs carefully analyzed Epicatechin, and the unfortunate truth was that when people were taking it, their body was deactivating and barely absorbing majority of it, limiting its’ effectiveness.
The compound that helps you push past your own genetic potential, wasn’t even coming close to meeting its own potential.
The problem was the way your body metabolized the compound. Once in your system, the enzyme that metabolizes Epi would attach a sulfur atom to it - this is what causes the deactivation of the compound. Those same enzymes are also highly present in your skin, so Vital Labs had to immediately rule out a version of the product that you would rub on your skin (transdermal), as that would make the ingredient even less effective.
Vital Labs then discovered the answer to this problem.
The answer lied with an ingredient called Quercetin, an ingredient that inhibits this process, preventing the compound from being deactivated.
In fact, it prevents the deactivation so well, that it is almost doubles the amount of time the compound remains active (half-life) in your system.
Vital Labs went and upped the ante by adding in a massively strong, selective absorption promoter to the formula called Sodium Caprate. An ingredient that temporarily loosens the barriers between your intestines and blood stream selectively allowing compounds like Epi in, and allowing you to get the maximum amount of Epi absorbed!
Why Is Epi 2.0 So Much More Effective Than the Competition?
Vital Labs carefully analyzed Epicatechin, and the unfortunate truth was that when people were taking it, their body was deactivating and barely absorbing majority of it, limiting its’ effectiveness.
The compound that helps you push past your own genetic potential, wasn’t even coming close to meeting its own potential.
The problem was the way your body metabolized the compound. Once in your system, the enzyme that metabolizes Epi would attach a sulfur atom to it - this is what causes the deactivation of the compound. Those same enzymes are also highly present in your skin, so Vital Labs had to immediately rule out a version of the product that you would rub on your skin (transdermal), as that would make the ingredient even less effective.
Vital Labs then discovered the answer to this problem.
The answer lied with an ingredient called Quercetin, an ingredient that inhibits this process, preventing the compound from being deactivated.
In fact, it prevents the deactivation so well, that it is almost doubles the amount of time the compound remains active (half-life) in your system.
Vital Labs went and upped the ante by adding in a massively strong, selective absorption promoter to the formula called Sodium Caprate. An ingredient that temporarily loosens the barriers between your intestines and blood stream selectively allowing compounds like Epi in, and allowing you to get the maximum amount of Epi absorbed!
Rocket3015
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Great Info! Thank you!
goodvibes
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I don't really care until it's out cause until then you're just making me drool and I can't do anything about it.