7 Days fasting. Zero calories for 168 hours. HGP's short log

hairygrandpa said:
Yes! I did! Sure, lot of it is water weight -but hey, I'm exited! You are already lean -but I'm breathing down your neck!



Have the husks! Yes, they turn into jelly pretty fast. If you put them in a glass of water and wait to long, you have to eat the damn pudding.
I was wondering if it stops diarrhea caused by oil intake. If nobody knows, I'll give it try.
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Diarrhea from oil is caused by gall bladder dumping a large amount of bile, which triggers intense peristalsis. To the best of my knowledge, there’s nothing not-drastic that you can do to prevent this.
 
Anyone know of a way to lose some water weight overnight...?

I'm feeling super bloated tonight...not sure why. I'm starting IF again tomorrow. I would like to start the day feeling less bloated and leaner for the mental advantage
 
I remember people saying a shot or two of alcohol at night before bed can do this
 
manifesto said:
Anyone know of a way to lose some water weight overnight...?

I'm feeling super bloated tonight...not sure why. I'm starting IF again tomorrow. I would like to start the day feeling less bloated and leaner for the mental advantage
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200 mcg of clen should do the trick
 
manifesto said:
Anyone know of a way to lose some water weight overnight...?

I'm feeling super bloated tonight...not sure why. I'm starting IF again tomorrow. I would like to start the day feeling less bloated and leaner for the mental advantage
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Drinking lot of water will drive your kidneys into overdrive, eliminating more water than you put in. But doing it before bed is not a good idea.
 
hairygrandpa said:
I mean its a VERY cunning feat. But it did not work for DC, he is still defending his physique- implying to have less BF than I -or even comparing himself to Nike vs Reebok, he being Nike, meaning that critics are worth less. I'm not responding to that. Its a level I will not lower myself to.

He is omitting the fact to have nothing to show after 1.5 years of training, other than a drop in BF over the last few weeks.

I feel a bit raped, LOL. But I acknowledge that BEAST73 has some hidden "talents" I never suspected. Anyway, it did not work for DC, apparently.
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Who is DC and why ppl caring so much? I dont, im here for your thread about fasting and actually intresting compared to rest of the crap, even Danes dont seem to be around anymore probably got tired
 
hairygrandpa said:
I mean, there is really NO WAY to lose water over night, without waking up and piss -or spit. :)
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Not unless you’re pulling some serious time in the sauna.

I’ve dropped 5 lbs after an hour of 200° sauna heat with very short cold shower breaks. The key is to not drink any water and to know that as long as you’re sweating you’re okay.
 
Spurfy said:
Actually, he (and a few others) would have gotten a free copy.

And last I heard, no one with my level of education and research experience (a hair under 20 years) is writing books on how to attain absolute peak fitness — inside the body and out. I’m covering everything from deep detailed presentations of the pharmacology of every single serious PED, to how to live longer, with an original source citation for every single claim of fact.

This will be the most comprehensive and scientifically-backed book of its kind ever written.

Do you know what OTC dietary supplement is about 80% as effective as EPO when dosed at high-but-safe levels? I do.

Do you know that and why Var (and all other DHT-based PEDs to varying degrees) burn belly fat? I do.

Do you know how an athlete subject to testing can run a cycle in competition without getting caught? I do.

I’ve given out a lot of exceptionally valuable knowledge here that you would be very lucky to ever stumble across on your own, for free, and my higher education bill was in the low six figures, not to mention years spent getting research publication submittals rejected by mainstream journals because the material is too controversial or too damaging to the reputation of a large group of trusted medical professionals.

So yeah, you’re damned right I’m going to push my book on this forum when it’s released. I’ve earned that right.

Don’t like it? Don’t buy the book.
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hairygrandpa said:
I agree with you on all but the book selling thing, if it was meant in a sarcastic way. He is sharing info here that he could very well have kept to himself. Honestly, I would buy some books from him, if its about something I'm interested in.
I see it like you too. Currently I'm not using any BB supplements, not even whey besides logging a trans-dermal to review it.

Note: Gear is no BB supplement. :)
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I made no judgement towards spurfy or the book. Just pointing out, a lot of people are here to sell things. Id be wary of the advise of anyone promoting themselves. There is a thin line between helping others and self promotion. Ive still made no judgements, just pointing out things that are smart to pay attention to.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Yes! I did! Sure, lot of it is water weight -but hey, I'm exited! You are already lean -but I'm breathing down your neck!



Have the husks! Yes, they turn into jelly pretty fast. If you put them in a glass of water and wait to long, you have to eat the damn pudding.
I was wondering if it stops diarrhea caused by oil intake. If nobody knows, I'll give it try.
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Sorry, but I think you should not mix fats with husk if you consume them for calories. Most "fat blockers" work by some kind of fiber thet soaks up the fat and you drop it. If you need fibers maybe ime chia seed will do good. For diarhea we in Hungary sometime consume liver ( pork or chicken) if you want I can translate some recipes-we have a bunch of them :D - if you want.
Nice job with the fast!
 
Fasted said:
I made no judgement towards spurfy or the book. Just pointing out, a lot of people are here to sell things. Id be wary of the advise of anyone promoting themselves. There is a thin line between helping others and self promotion. Ive still made no judgements, just pointing out things that are smart to pay attention to.
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I wish he finish book sooner as will forget about it in a year time hope he still here..its bad attitude in here if your not selling anything its almost like you get banned ;) everyone is repping a company.. any negative feedback and your out lol
 
00A said:
I wish he finish book sooner as will forget about it in a year time hope he still here..its bad attitude in here if your not selling anything its almost like you get banned ;) everyone is repping a company.. any negative feedback and your out lol
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My goal is to help people transform and to live happy and healthy lives. I’m not expecting to get rich off my book, but I do — at the very least — need some financial incentive to spend thousands of hours researching and writing.

If I were a millionaire I’d release my book as a free e-book. But I’m not, so I can’t.
 
Spurfy said:
My goal is to help people transform and to live happy and healthy lives. I’m not expecting to get rich off my book, but I do — at the very least — need some financial incentive to spend thousands of hours researching and writing.

If I were a millionaire I’d release my book as a free e-book. But I’m not, so I can’t.
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All good man, just hope do not forget about book and you stick around on the forums until the release :) stay postive and i know you will make it
 
Yeah, thanks for all the free info so far Spurfy...I have really been enjoying intermittent fasting and look forward to planning so prolonged fast.

I feel and look so good when I fast. It almost feels too good to be true
 
00A said:
All good man, just hope do not forget about book and you stick around on the forums until the release :) stay postive and i know you will make it
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Yeah agreed, I always look to people more knowledgeable than me to learn from
 
Spurfy said:
Honestly... You really only need minimal fats when staying keto after a fast. If you go for keto with a 22/2 IF and 40-50 grams of *saturated fat* per day then fat will continue to just fall off.

If you want to keep putting on muscle do 50 grams of simple sugars with 10 grams of micronized creatine (that has been allowed to fully dissolve) peri-workout twice per week on non-consecutive days and 200 grams of carbs in your post-workout meal (which should begin no later than 30 minutes after your *fasted lift*).
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This right here is money.
 
The " Spurfy approach " :

Day 8 - ketogenic diet + Intermittent fasting 22/2

First of all: Changes in the mirror are beyond doubt now!

My wife walked past me in the office and said: "You smell like candy."
YES, I'm deep in ketosis! My maid (were I live most have one, not only millionaires) wants to do the same diet, because she was marveled by the changes. I did not told her to fast, because her work would suffer, so I told her to eat fruits all day, LOL.

Today starts training and intermittent fasting 22/2. Lets burn the last few pounds of fat off! Pics after gym.
 
Awesome. Cant wait for pics
 
I am eager to see it too.. and if I could lose my fat faster and retain muscle, hell, I would buy the book too.
 
What I ate yesterday:

Meal 1: 1 chicken breast w. green salad and olive oil
Meal 2: fatty piece of cow meat (no idea how cut is called) 300gr
Meal 3 same as Meal 2 + 150 gr peanuts
-all day water only-

Today:
-nothing until after gym, when 2 hour window opens before bed
-planned are eggs+meat+nuts+salad
 
hairygrandpa said:
What I ate yesterday:

Meal 1: 1 chicken breast w. green salad and olive oil
Meal 2: fatty piece of cow meat (no idea how cut is called) 300gr
Meal 3 same as Meal 2 + 150 gr peanuts
-all day water only-

Today:
-nothing until after gym, when 2 hour window opens before bed
-planned are eggs+meat+nuts+salad
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Nice. You’re going to crush this.
 
You pretty much eat now like I do to stay lean year round, nuts eggs and lean meat but I also have oats. I like this approach.

When I bulk I just add more fats more protein and carbs are about the same.
 
Spurfy how would you recommend incorporating distance running into an IF protocol?

I enjoy running and have a few races scheduled, but I dont want to put to much stress on my body and delay fat loss...
 
manifesto said:
Spurfy how would you recommend incorporating distance running into an IF protocol?

I enjoy running and have a few races scheduled, but I dont want to put to much stress on my body and delay fat loss...
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If you’re keto then just run. If you start to bonk then eat a few fat bombs.

If you’re not keto you’ll need carbs before and during your run and IF will have to work around your schedule. If you can get dextrose powder mix this with electrolytes and kool aid and sip as needed during your run.
 
tyga tyga said:
BBQ ribs are ok if the outside isn’t “caramelized or seared” but I don’t get the affinity people have towards them lol truthfully I’m not big into bbq either way.

I did a variation of “keto”, which was Carb night solution (think we talked about this in the past) where you diet for 10 days of 30hg of cho or less then refeed the 11th day. After, you started keto for 6 days and reefed every seventh. Worked wonders.
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This is my absolute favorite CKD diet. As anyone has seen me recommend it over and over. Perhaps Spurfy has some other ideas that could improve it but man it sure works extremely well!
Spurfy said:
No. All BCAAs stimulate insulin release, which is the absolute last thing you want to do while fasting.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, BCAA supplementation has been shown to be basically worthless in several studies.
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I think it was shown to be worthless IF protein requirements are already being met. I can see a case for using them during ketosis just to provide an short insulin spike to drive nutrition into the muscle but other than that probably not so much. I do still use them for certain things but it isn't necessarily all due to MPS.
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I have been researching this subject a lot lately, and my understanding is that leucine initiates MPS via mtor, but does not sustain MPS unless all other essential amino acids are present. Initiation does not mean much without it being sustained.

This is why EAAs are superior to BCAAs.
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Also glutamine is required for leucine to get inside the muscle, so it can not just be leucine. Lower glutamine levels means less MPS from everything I have read on this. Taking aminos to stimulate MPS without adding in some L-Glutamine prior or just taking in enough glutamine in general is probably going to hinder what you could get from the MPS compared to when you have plenty glutamine in the system.

hairygrandpa said:
short update

Today, while under influence of alcohol, I literally went on a trip. My wife was asking me if "I took something other than alcohol".
Who followed the "Soap-operesque" attack I lashed out on a AM member will clearly see that, if one knows me for longer.

That was not me -or better said, it was me on meth(never did meth) , I guess.

I'm 100% sure it had to do with the fast -and the alcohol. Even after more than half a bottle of vodka my mind was in overdrive. I was VERY aware -but at the same time manic. The effect was like on coke (that I tried, so comparison is sound) but even harsher. Lucky for me (and them) the trip began after my friends went home.

@DemntedCowboy and BEAST73 , just to make that clear, I'm not going to apologize. After reading all I wrote again, I'll stay to that, its what I thought and felt -and still feel to be correct. Nothing has changed.
I probably wouldn't have gone on a rant without that "brain quake". I did not resort to cheap verbal attacks, besides calling DC delusional -what I still think he is but would have never said under normal circumstances.

What is astonishing to me is that I spelled correctly (English is not my mother tongue). My mind was clear, something not expected after a fast + alcohol.

Between yesterday and today I lost another kg, probably due to dehydration from alcohol, leaving me now at 94 kg. Down from 101.5kg a week ago.
For all you non-metric guys: 224lbs before/207lbs after.
Spurfy , do you have an idea what this manic phase was? It was not "just alcohol", it was VERY strong. I was totally on the edge.
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First, I am proud of you for manning up and coming in here and clearing the air. Not that it matters if I am proud, but it is awesome to see personal accountability which you know I am big on.

Second to add into what others have already mentioned could have been a factor in the agitated state. Molly, remember what i said about Molly burning through your serotonin levels like a California wild fire... That I said the following week you could be very moody, depressed or very easily agitated? I definitely think that some of this has to do with that. Also I am sure you lost a huge bit of whatever hydration you had been holding on to when you did the molly. So I would put more on that than probably even the nandrolone since it is pretty low on the androgenic scale. However I think it was more likely a combination of the perfect storm.

Lots of outside factors, and a legitimate gripe that you needed to vent out and get off your chest.

Spurfy said:
My guess is that the ketones have a higher affinity for the GABA receptor subunits (of both A and B) than ethanol but do not trigger a depressant effect, but have no affinity for mu or sigma opioid receptors (which ethanol stimulates) which stimulate the release of dopamine and norepinephrine. This combination would prevent the sedative and sloppiness effects of alcohol while increasing the stimulant effect.

I did warn you about drinking alcohol with such a high level of ketones...
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So basically he was acting like someone on one of those Four Locos alcohol based energy drinks that got banned a few years back?

BEAST73 said:
I advise DC off AM. Let Me be straight up with you. By Me telling DC he’s looking Great and his food. Flushed out the people real thoughts about him and their negative opinions. I told DC a month ago that I was going to do this,and it was a Success.
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Sorry, I am calling BS on this... It is so obviously BS that I am sad to see that hairygrandpa, and jtmass even contemplating accepting it as the truth. HGP must really feel bad about acting out of character to even be willing to accept this as honesty... It makes ZERO sense and there is no benefit to DC or yourself in doing so.

Let's get this right, you secretly thought that people were being to nice to him and telling him he is making better progress then he has been because he did so much and lost so much for his country. You decided this was unacceptable, so you and he discussed this and he said sure man, I would love that level of honesty. I really feel I am being let down by the people on AM giving me undeserved recognition of progress. I really want to hear them call me on my **** and motivate me to change for my own good. (Even though you both defended his stances tooth and nail)

So to correct this you and DC supposedly devised this manipulative plan for you to keep giving him compliments, while secretly telling him offline that his diet really needs work... You did this knowing that someone would finally have the perfect hormonal cocktail and get tired of the lies and that person would then let it out and the avalanche of agreements would follow. WOW, you have such amazing foresight to have known a one in a billion chance like the perfect storm for HGP would happen. Man I really wish you would pick my lottery numbers for me since you can see into the UNLIKELY FUTURE like that!!!

On top of this instead of actually helping him with his diet and putting off his progress even further you all thought it would be better to flesh out if people really thought he was making such great progress... instead of actually making sure he got better progress. Again.. it makes no sense and is a shame you even tried to use it in your deception.

Also didn't you say in the other log that if you were working with DC that he would be elite level but now you admit to working off line with him and he is not elite. Apparently you thought the best use for that time spent was to be dishonest in order to try to manipulate the AM community into finally telling DC that he could make better choices and would make more progress if he did. Which is exactly what you had been defending him from for a very long time. MUCH LONGER THAN THE MONTH AGO THAT YOU SAID YOU ALL DISCUSSED THIS BY THE WAY!!!!

YEAH RIGHT!!!!

Unfortunately the reality of it is that there are only two options are here and both of them show you to be a dishonest and manipulative person...

A: Your ego, and or affinity for DC will not allow you to just admit that you were taking up for DC out of pity or respect for what he lost serving our country. Which makes sense. I have liked many of his progress pics without commenting on them because I have integrity and can not lie to someone and say that they are making progress if I do not see it. I also did not want to call him out on things because i truly respect what he went through in service of our country. I did try to help him make some better choices and you, he and I went back and forth over this for a while... Only now to say it was all a rouse, and you were intentionally wasting my time and good intentions...

B. WHICH IS THE FAR WORSE OPTION - You actually did try to manipulate the entire forum, and have been being dishonest with everyone on here in an effort to get people to come down on DC and give him much needed tough love... I am even having a hard time typing that because it is so ridiculous that I can't even make it sound right...

Worse than even that you are telling us that this was a concerted effort between you, and @DementedCowboy to deceive and manipulate all those who have been supporting him... both of you intentionally deceiving people in an effort to get some tough love that you would then both defend against heavily...

It is such a ridiculous and preposterous notion you should be ashamed to even put it out there. If it is not a preposterous notion and you all truly did that then neither of you are worthy of trust or respect from anyone who has ever read one word you have typed...

Really for that matter, if you are just cowards, and it was the first option and you decided to get together and make up this lie to cover your other nonsense then neither of you deserve trust or respect from anyone on this forum...

I liked you guys even though there were many things we didn't agree on, but now you are telling me I have been a pawn in a game you play... or you don't respect anyone on the board enough to tell the truth. Well I hope I speak for most anyone who has read any of the lies... Please kiss my ass, not right now though, let me prep it for you with a nasty alcohol crap first... then maybe you all can have the same rotten taste in your mouths as the rest of us who are being fed BS!!!!

P.S. I haven't been drinking or anything else, this is simply righteous indignation from being lied to and or intentionally being manipulated.

hairygrandpa said:
WHAT?

That explains why you posted in your log, that you would take DC's "roid expert" advise if you would go on a cycle. I almost lost it -but did not respond, because neither I am an expert -but surely DC isn't. Actually, THAT was the trigger that I reacted AT ALL. It was the cherry on top of the cake.

I have to think about all this. I'm not sure how I feel about it. Your action made me do things I can not take back (and will not).

If I wouldn't know better, I would have a glass of vodka now.
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Stop, you are better than this... it's a lie and if not it was even worse, an intentional long term deception and manipulation of an entire forum who put their trust in people they thought were online friends...

You are only even considering any of this because you are ashamed of how you behaved out of character. However that in no way excuses these two for being extremely dishonest regardless of which way the went about it. It was either premeditated or an act of cowardice, but either way completely dishonest...
jtmass said:
I knew he was straight as a circle. There are ways to help others. But, this just is exactly like you said “feel raped”. While we were going off on how he should change his regime, these two must have been having a laugh at our expense. I am an idiot!
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Feel deceived, like right now... C'Mon guys... We are not dealing with masterminds. We are dealing with cowardice here, not a mastermind manipulator. Don't let them use your guilt for having said something to make you easily sway-able. No matter which is truth these guys should be considered a plague at this point for being found to be intentionally dishonest to anyone and everyone on this board that has read any of their diatribe...

hairygrandpa said:
No, not idiot. It showed that we were the only two with balls to tell the TRUTH. Others chimed in, most only by PM.
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Hey Now, my balls are tiny but I went through this with the two of them and had to write a damn book in my own defense for trying to be helpful. Just didn't go for the jugular... I have no problem with the jugular now as they admitted to intentionally wronging not only me, but you and everyone else on this forum that has managed to get into their threads or others they post in.


hairygrandpa said:
YES! Good idea, was already thinking about it. Will google "John Kiefers" as soon as my adrenaline got down. :)
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Like I mentioned before, it is my favorite CKD diet. Spurfy might have some improvements or something better who knows, but thus far probably my favorite cutting diet of all times. Mix it with 22/2 or 20/4 IF and you get ripped quickly!!!!
Spurfy said:
My goal is to help people transform and to live happy and healthy lives. I’m not expecting to get rich off my book, but I do — at the very least — need some financial incentive to spend thousands of hours researching and writing.

If I were a millionaire I’d release my book as a free e-book. But I’m not, so I can’t.
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You should absolutely self promote. Anyone trying to generate income from their knowledge should do so. If not who will? All the best Authors go out on book tours, trainers use IG and other social media... You got to do it to make some money.
 
Spurfy said:
My goal is to help people transform and to live happy and healthy lives. I’m not expecting to get rich off my book, but I do — at the very least — need some financial incentive to spend thousands of hours researching and writing.

If I were a millionaire I’d release my book as a free e-book. But I’m not, so I can’t.
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Hey, spurfy all your comments have been beyond knowledgeable. I was simply explaing about knowing who is selling something. Some people sell fantastic products, and i hope yours is one. Quite frankly, from the knowledge youve demonstrated so far, ill probably buy a copy. There are a ton of people manipulating this industry with no care for peoples well being. While i got my eye in you(so intimidating, right?) I will also have a crap ton of respect and advocate for you if and as you continue to show character. As a smart person, im sure you can understand my wariness of the advise of people selling things. Keep proving me wrong(or dont, i probably wont harp on this anymore) and ill be happy to pay full price for that book. Just leave plenty of advice for us natties so i have a reason to buy it
 
I'm not sure I'm smart enough to read his book .....
 
MrKleen73

Wow. You literally typed what I am assuming, most were thinking after the notion they “crafted” this elaborate trick.

I like you dude lol
 
MrKleen73 said:
This is my absolute favorite CKD diet. As anyone has seen me recommend it over and over. Perhaps Spurfy has some other ideas that could improve it but man it sure works extremely well!

I think it was shown to be worthless IF protein requirements are already being met. I can see a case for using them during ketosis just to provide an short insulin spike to drive nutrition into the muscle but other than that probably not so much. I do still use them for certain things but it isn't necessarily all due to MPS.
Also glutamine is required for leucine to get inside the muscle, so it can not just be leucine. Lower glutamine levels means less MPS from everything I have read on this. Taking aminos to stimulate MPS without adding in some L-Glutamine prior or just taking in enough glutamine in general is probably going to hinder what you could get from the MPS compared to when you have plenty glutamine in the system.



First, I am proud of you for manning up and coming in here and clearing the air. Not that it matters if I am proud, but it is awesome to see personal accountability which you know I am big on.

Second to add into what others have already mentioned could have been a factor in the agitated state. Molly, remember what i said about Molly burning through your serotonin levels like a California wild fire... That I said the following week you could be very moody, depressed or very easily agitated? I definitely think that some of this has to do with that. Also I am sure you lost a huge bit of whatever hydration you had been holding on to when you did the molly. So I would put more on that than probably even the nandrolone since it is pretty low on the androgenic scale. However I think it was more likely a combination of the perfect storm.

Lots of outside factors, and a legitimate gripe that you needed to vent out and get off your chest.


So basically he was acting like someone on one of those Four Locos alcohol based energy drinks that got banned a few years back?



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Sorry, I am calling BS on this... It is so obviously BS that I am sad to see that hairygrandpa, and jtmass even contemplating accepting it as the truth. HGP must really feel bad about acting out of character to even be willing to accept this as honesty... It makes ZERO sense and there is no benefit to DC or yourself in doing so.

Let's get this right, you secretly thought that people were being to nice to him and telling him he is making better progress then he has been because he did so much and lost so much for his country. You decided this was unacceptable, so you and he discussed this and he said sure man, I would love that level of honesty. I really feel I am being let down by the people on AM giving me undeserved recognition of progress. I really want to hear them call me on my **** and motivate me to change for my own good. (Even though you both defended his stances tooth and nail)

So to correct this you and DC supposedly devised this manipulative plan for you to keep giving him compliments, while secretly telling him offline that his diet really needs work... You did this knowing that someone would finally have the perfect hormonal cocktail and get tired of the lies and that person would then let it out and the avalanche of agreements would follow. WOW, you have such amazing foresight to have known a one in a billion chance like the perfect storm for HGP would happen. Man I really wish you would pick my lottery numbers for me since you can see into the UNLIKELY FUTURE like that!!!

On top of this instead of actually helping him with his diet and putting off his progress even further you all thought it would be better to flesh out if people really thought he was making such great progress... instead of actually making sure he got better progress. Again.. it makes no sense and is a shame you even tried to use it in your deception.

Also didn't you say in the other log that if you were working with DC that he would be elite level but now you admit to working off line with him and he is not elite. Apparently you thought the best use for that time spent was to be dishonest in order to try to manipulate the AM community into finally telling DC that he could make better choices and would make more progress if he did. Which is exactly what you had been defending him from for a very long time. MUCH LONGER THAN THE MONTH AGO THAT YOU SAID YOU ALL DISCUSSED THIS BY THE WAY!!!!

YEAH RIGHT!!!!

Unfortunately the reality of it is that there are only two options are here and both of them show you to be a dishonest and manipulative person...

A: Your ego, and or affinity for DC will not allow you to just admit that you were taking up for DC out of pity or respect for what he lost serving our country. Which makes sense. I have liked many of his progress pics without commenting on them because I have integrity and can not lie to someone and say that they are making progress if I do not see it. I also did not want to call him out on things because i truly respect what he went through in service of our country. I did try to help him make some better choices and you, he and I went back and forth over this for a while... Only now to say it was all a rouse, and you were intentionally wasting my time and good intentions...

B. WHICH IS THE FAR WORSE OPTION - You actually did try to manipulate the entire forum, and have been being dishonest with everyone on here in an effort to get people to come down on DC and give him much needed tough love... I am even having a hard time typing that because it is so ridiculous that I can't even make it sound right...

Worse than even that you are telling us that this was a concerted effort between you, and @DementedCowboy to deceive and manipulate all those who have been supporting him... both of you intentionally deceiving people in an effort to get some tough love that you would then both defend against heavily...

It is such a ridiculous and preposterous notion you should be ashamed to even put it out there. If it is not a preposterous notion and you all truly did that then neither of you are worthy of trust or respect from anyone who has ever read one word you have typed...

Really for that matter, if you are just cowards, and it was the first option and you decided to get together and make up this lie to cover your other nonsense then neither of you deserve trust or respect from anyone on this forum...

I liked you guys even though there were many things we didn't agree on, but now you are telling me I have been a pawn in a game you play... or you don't respect anyone on the board enough to tell the truth. Well I hope I speak for most anyone who has read any of the lies... Please kiss my ass, not right now though, let me prep it for you with a nasty alcohol crap first... then maybe you all can have the same rotten taste in your mouths as the rest of us who are being fed BS!!!!

P.S. I haven't been drinking or anything else, this is simply righteous indignation from being lied to and or intentionally being manipulated.


Stop, you are better than this... it's a lie and if not it was even worse, an intentional long term deception and manipulation of an entire forum who put their trust in people they thought were online friends...

You are only even considering any of this because you are ashamed of how you behaved out of character. However that in no way excuses these two for being extremely dishonest regardless of which way the went about it. It was either premeditated or an act of cowardice, but either way completely dishonest...

Feel deceived, like right now... C'Mon guys... We are not dealing with masterminds. We are dealing with cowardice here, not a mastermind manipulator. Don't let them use your guilt for having said something to make you easily sway-able. No matter which is truth these guys should be considered a plague at this point for being found to be intentionally dishonest to anyone and everyone on this board that has read any of their diatribe...


Hey Now, my balls are tiny but I went through this with the two of them and had to write a damn book in my own defense for trying to be helpful. Just didn't go for the jugular... I have no problem with the jugular now as they admitted to intentionally wronging not only me, but you and everyone else on this forum that has managed to get into their threads or others they post in.



Like I mentioned before, it is my favorite CKD diet. Spurfy might have some improvements or something better who knows, but thus far probably my favorite cutting diet of all times. Mix it with 22/2 or 20/4 IF and you get ripped quickly!!!!

You should absolutely self promote. Anyone trying to generate income from their knowledge should do so. If not who will? All the best Authors go out on book tours, trainers use IG and other social media... You got to do it to make some money.
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No, you know whats sad. Is there are a bunch of people on here, that are very helpful, and honest. AndnI try to be one of them. But, all of y'all wanna be frauds and like post and not say anything, but then go on a drinking binge and blow up sh*t out of proportion when I have stated many times multiple times what my goals where and are. But, none of yall read that. You just roll with the punches and then when someone goes off the deep end you all follow and attack members. Which is sad. Many of yall I would call friends outside of this forum. But not many anymore. Now, I have made changes, but it doesnt matter, cause none of yall read anyways. I have progressed but yall look at pictures and think thats the whole story. Now I have been PM'd by some and talked calmly and rationally with them, and going to continue to make changes to better myself. But, if y'all silently want to talk about people behind their backs instead of pm'ing people for more info and then openly bashing them cause they arent reaching "your set goals" for them. Then y'all are the plague on this forum.
 
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No, you know whats sad. Is there are a bunch of people on here, that are very helpful, and honest. AndnI try to be one of them. But, all of y'all wanna be frauds and like post and not say anything, but then go on a drinking binge and blow up sh*t out of proportion when I have stated many times multiple times what my goals where and are. But, none of yall read that. You just roll with the punches and then when someone goes off the deep end you all follow and attack members. Which is sad. Many of yall I would call friends outside of this forum. But not many anymore. Now, I have made changes, but it doesnt matter, cause none of yall read anyways. I have progressed but yall look at pictures and think thats the whole story. Now I have been PM'd by some and talked calmly and rationally with them, and going to continue to make changes to better myself. But, if y'all silently want to talk about people behind their backs instead of pm'ing people for more info and then openly bashing them cause they arent reaching "your set goals" for them. Then y'all are the plague on this forum.
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Any advise in the past got you to react with excusing your bad choices -and others even chimed in defending you.

Excuses repeated by you at nauseam: Playing the veteran card, "my wife does not cook", "were on vacation -could not cook clean", "what is wrong about the "white bred'/crust/gravy choose any"... and claiming you are a nutritionist!

1.5 years on AM - absolutely no changes. YOU LOOK LIKE YOU DON'T LIFT. Period -but giving advise full time. You leaned out the last few weeks -but THAT is no excuse.

Another thing, you resorted to personal attacks with memes and whatnot, after being called out.

Get out of my log!
 
hairygrandpa said:
Any advise in the past got you to react with excusing your bad choices -and others even chimed in defending you.

Excuses repeated by you at nauseam: Playing the veteran card, "my wife does not cook", "were on vacation -could not cook clean", "what is wrong about the "white bred'/crust/gravy choose any"... and claiming you are a nutritionist!

1.5 years on AM - absolutely no changes. YOU LOOK LIKE YOU DON'T LIFT. Period -but giving advise full time. You leaned out the last few weeks -but THAT is no excuse.

Another thing, you resorted to personal attacks with memes and whatnot, after being called out.

Get out of my log!
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Again yall dont read. I didnt play the veteran card. I'm recovering from major injuries. I shouldnt even walk, I never said my wife dont cook. My wife cooks every day.
You wanna live on your high horse. Live on it. But, NONE of you are better than anyone else, and I am progressing if you would look with your eyes open. And I only attacked because some drunk old man personally attacked me while I was sleeping.
 
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Guess who of those 2 people lifts?

Hint: Not the one claiming to be a nutritionist
 
This should be over with now.

Lets talk about diet and muscles. I'm no shrink -but it could be that some of us suffer from BDD (Body dysmorphic disorder).
In that case, they should NOT get encouraged over supposed physiological changes that are not true.

With that I conclude the whole rant, ignoring any further posts touching this "Soap-Operesque" issue.

Lets diet!
 
Awesome transformation.
 
DemntedCowboy said:
No, you know whats sad. Is there are a bunch of people on here, that are very helpful, and honest. AndnI try to be one of them. But, all of y'all wanna be frauds and like post and not say anything, but then go on a drinking binge and blow up sh*t out of proportion when I have stated many times multiple times what my goals where and are. But, none of yall read that. You just roll with the punches and then when someone goes off the deep end you all follow and attack members. Which is sad. Many of yall I would call friends outside of this forum. But not many anymore. Now, I have made changes, but it doesnt matter, cause none of yall read anyways. I have progressed but yall look at pictures and think thats the whole story. Now I have been PM'd by some and talked calmly and rationally with them, and going to continue to make changes to better myself. But, if y'all silently want to talk about people behind their backs instead of pm'ing people for more info and then openly bashing them cause they arent reaching "your set goals" for them. Then y'all are the plague on this forum.
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First off, you have made your goals quite clear and up until recently have not made much progress toward them unless your goal is a Dad bod.

You are the admitted fraud so lets not try to deflect by saying that people exercising courtesy and not calling you out every time you turn around is being fraudulent. Your attitude when anyone questions anything you do becomes condescending and deflective. Just like now. You did something fugged up and instead of addressing that you want to wine like a bitch that people didn't tell you things to your face when you and your watchdog jump on anyone who has tried to the point no one wants to say anything and NO ONE wants to be the guy that tells the injured soldier that he is playing the victim role like a champ!

Since you are upset about things people have talked about behind your back... You have Zero need to use the handicap space and admitted it. You only do so because it is more convenient to park closer to the door even though you said that you are 98% recovered... Your reasoning, was "even though I am not handicapped now I get to use the placard for the rest of my life so it is okay... SHAMEFUL!!!! One of the still handicapped vets, or handicapped people who actually need that spot gets displaced for your convenience... GFTO of town... Just that alone shows you are not a person with integrity, or that is truly concerned with others. It shows that you are actually quite selfish and self serving. Oh yeah and I did bring that up to you before. I should have washed my hand of you then when you gave us that glimmer into the type of person you truly are... Selfish and self serving.

You spit out nonsense... like your nutrition degree... what college? I am sure we can go look you up on the Alumni roster and see what your degree was. Feel like sharing that information? I bet not... why because no way you have a nutrition degree and need guidance from Bust73 or anyone else. However you truly do need help... even according to him. So I assume this will get the indignant response of "I don't have to justify myself to you or share that information that basically proves to everyone you don't have it. Am I wrong, easy to prove. Hell I will make a video of myself kneeling down to you in praise if you can show me a legitimate Nutrition degree. Should take you all of 30 seconds to tell us the college and graduating year... hell even show us your degree. I'll be waiting...

As far as being fraudulent, no not at all. I brought things up, you made it obvious you didn't want to hear things like that so I stopped. I just tend to let things like that go and look for the good in people and enjoy them at that level. Which is what I was doing. Yeah I liked your progress photos, because you had the balls to post them. I never complimented you on anything unless I really saw some improvement. I think there was one time. The few times I tried to make any suggestions they were unwelcome and met with a lot of resistance, not only from you but from bust73. So I figured out that you were not here to learn or improve but for a social outlet. So I payed attention to those social parts more instead. So yeah, I did like some of your food pics because they looked good. However the only fraud was the one that you and bust73 perpetrated on the people of AM...
 
hairygrandpa said:
I would anyways -but I think he dumbed it down for us, like here on AM.
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It is easy to read and understand, and complex ideas are broken down into digestible pieces. It’s written with the layperson in mind, but my goal is really to educate. I don’t want people to just memorize the “How?”, I want them to understand the “Why?”
 
hairygrandpa said:
This should be over with now.

Lets talk about diet and muscles. I'm no shrink -but it could be that some of us suffer from BDD (Body dysmorphic disorder).
In that case, they should NOT get encouraged over supposed physiological changes that are not true.

With that I conclude the whole rant, ignoring any further posts touching this "Soap-Operesque" issue.

Lets diet!
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Sorry brother, did not see this before my post.
 
hairygrandpa said:
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Guess who of those 2 people lifts?

Hint: Not the one claiming to be a nutritionist
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I’m staying out of this because honestly I don’t care. Nevertheless, I did want to add that I really can’t tell any significant difference between the 2017 and 2019 pics. They look like they were taken the same day.

I could transform this physique in 10 weeks, natty. Two years? Something doesn’t add up...
 
The best way to clean is to get all the dirty laundry out in the open. Concealing issues is a problem, and typically leads to greater issues, and deception. Speak the truth!
 
I hate I just found this! I watched the video and it’s very intriguing!! Incredible work HGP!! I can see a big difference!! I can’t imagine 6 days! Maybe 1-2! Lol
 
MrKleen73 Beast never had my respect because I know he’s not honest and straightforward with anything. It’s obvious from the way he answers to anything you ask him. He is a circle jerk. You can’t believe anything that guy says. Did he really want people to call out DC? Did he do all this to help DC? Who knows what the truth is. Because he is a liar.
 
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Hey, spurfy all your comments have been beyond knowledgeable. I was simply explaing about knowing who is selling something. Some people sell fantastic products, and i hope yours is one. Quite frankly, from the knowledge youve demonstrated so far, ill probably buy a copy. There are a ton of people manipulating this industry with no care for peoples well being. While i got my eye in you(so intimidating, right?) I will also have a crap ton of respect and advocate for you if and as you continue to show character. As a smart person, im sure you can understand my wariness of the advise of people selling things. Keep proving me wrong(or dont, i probably wont harp on this anymore) and ill be happy to pay full price for that book. Just leave plenty of advice for us natties so i have a reason to buy it
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I came off a bit harsh, my apologies. These pain meds make me grumpy sometimes.

Also the pedophila insinuation from the tranny thread left a bad taste in my mouth, but I understand the disgust that any right-minded person would feel if they felt they were dealing with a pedophile because I feel it too, I'm just very easily able to separate my emotional mind from my rational mind -- must be the Asperger's.
 
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