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So what are we saying EAAs a no go on fast days? The plan was fast - go gym(may feel week) take EAAs after..
 
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So what are we saying EAAs a no go on fast days? The plan was fast - go gym(may feel week) take EAAs after..
Depends on what your doing it for - if cell autophagy is the goal then no but outside of that my understanding is your fine....
 

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Hey Spurfy - I’ve been looking into fasting and came across a view that it’s leucine which is resonsible for the blood glucose spike, if eaa’s are taken the others buffer that response (to make it negligible) and for the majority of benefits of fasting it wouldn’t have a negative impact (but would provide some muscle sparing and energy boost).

Same source also said that for maximum cell autophagy it should still be avoided....what’s your view?
My view is that any external calories will slow or stop autophagy. Autophagy occurs specifically because of the combination of elevated cortisol and GH. I believe that autophagy is triggered by the following: Cortisol destroys damaged/diseased cells and tissues while the elevated GH protects healthy cells and tissue. There are other specific enzymes and cytokines that participate in the autophagy process, these are upregulated when insulin is low, and GH and cortisol are high.

There's really no other physiologic mechanism that makes sense in this context.
 
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Greetings , that some good $hit . Respect mr Grandpa , you got a big hairy balls . I got a question , you did not lift or do any cardio work but what was your activity level , any manual , physical labor etc .?
I’m debating myself if I could pull something like that off , but I’m a carpenter so it’s pretty much impossible for me to avoid physical activities for a week or so .
You'll be fine fasting -- I don't think anything you do would push your muscles to lactate threshold. I did a three day bathroom/shower tear-out and re-tile while fasting, and while it wasn't exactly pleasant (my helper was eating almost constantly), I wasn't hindered in any way.
Besides me, my wife and a friend were fasting. Both had a normal activity level, like driving the car and walking around at work. BOTH broke the fast early due to dizziness and fainting spells. My wife by day 4 and my friend by day 5.
I was the one who almost didn't moved. My work is overseeing sells in my shop, sitting in front of a PC. The shop is on a lower level of my own house, so after work I only got upstairs, swam a round in the pool and found me again in front of another PC. Never got dizziness -or fainting spells.

That said, by my observation, it could be unsafe to drive -or do manual labor. Imagine being on a roof while fainting.

And... the student has become the teacher. Nicely done -- I couldn't have explained this better.
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So a long term caloric restriction is beneficial, as long as fasting or intermittent fasting is incorporated?
Long term calorie restriction only in the context of intermittent or prolonged fasting. Long-term daily CR damages the metabolism unless it's CR from fasting. The surge in GH during fasting is what directly protects vital cells, tissues, and processes.
 

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I have been researching this subject a lot lately, and my understanding is that leucine initiates MPS via mtor, but does not sustain MPS unless all other essential amino acids are present. Initiation does not mean much without it being sustained.

This is why EAAs are superior to BCAAs.
This is my understanding as well.

Also, mTOR activation directly inhibits autophagy.
 

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Besides me, my wife and a friend were fasting. Both had a normal activity level, like driving the car and walking around at work. BOTH broke the fast early due to dizziness and fainting spells. My wife by day 4 and my friend by day 5.
I was the one who almost didn't moved. My work is overseeing sells in my shop, sitting in front of a PC. The shop is on a lower level of my own house, so after work I only got upstairs, swam a round in the pool and found me again in front of another PC. Never got dizziness -or fainting spells.

That said, by my observation, it could be unsafe to drive -or do manual labor. Imagine being on a roof while fainting.
The dizziness and fainting are 100% due to insufficient electrolyte levels. Any such symptoms (including orthostatic hypotension) should be immediately treated with high dose sodium (2-3 g) and moderate dose (500-1000 mg) potassium.
 

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So what are we saying EAAs a no go on fast days? The plan was fast - go gym(may feel week) take EAAs after..
This is too much stress for you body and I don't at all recommend it at all.
 
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short update

Today, while under influence of alcohol, I literally went on a trip. My wife was asking me if "I took something other than alcohol".
Who followed the "Soap-operesque" attack I lashed out on a AM member will clearly see that, if one knows me for longer.

That was not me -or better said, it was me on meth(never did meth) , I guess.

I'm 100% sure it had to do with the fast -and the alcohol. Even after more than half a bottle of vodka my mind was in overdrive. I was VERY aware -but at the same time manic. The effect was like on coke (that I tried, so comparison is sound) but even harsher. Lucky for me (and them) the trip began after my friends went home.

@DemntedCowboy and BEAST73 , just to make that clear, I'm not going to apologize. After reading all I wrote again, I'll stay to that, its what I thought and felt -and still feel to be correct. Nothing has changed.
I probably wouldn't have gone on a rant without that "brain quake". I did not resort to cheap verbal attacks, besides calling DC delusional -what I still think he is but would have never said under normal circumstances.


What is astonishing to me is that I spelled correctly (English is not my mother tongue). My mind was clear, something not expected after a fast + alcohol.

Between yesterday and today I lost another kg, probably due to dehydration from alcohol, leaving me now at 94 kg. Down from 101.5kg a week ago.
For all you non-metric guys: 224lbs before/207lbs after.
Spurfy , do you have an idea what this manic phase was? It was not "just alcohol", it was VERY strong. I was totally on the edge.
 
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The dizziness and fainting are 100% due to insufficient electrolyte levels. Any such symptoms (including orthostatic hypotension) should be immediately treated with high dose sodium (2-3 g) and moderate dose (500-1000 mg) potassium.
Good to know! Should have known earlier. An important advise for future fasts.
 

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short update

Today, while under influence of alcohol, I literally went on a trip. My wife was asking me if "I took something other than alcohol".
Who followed the "Soap-operesque" attack I lashed out on a AM member will clearly see that, if one knows me for longer.

That was not me -or better said, it was me on meth(never did meth) , I guess.

I'm 100% sure it had to do with the fast -and the alcohol. Even after more than half a bottle of vodka my mind was in overdrive. I was VERY aware -but at the same time manic. The effect was like on coke (that I tried, so comparison is sound) but even harsher. Lucky for me (and them) the trip began after my friends went home.

@DemntedCowboy and BEAST73 , just to make that clear, I'm not going to apologize. After reading all I wrote again, I'll stay to that, its what I thought and felt -and still feel to be correct. Nothing has changed.
I probably wouldn't have gone on a rant without that "brain quake". I did not resort to cheap verbal attacks, besides calling DC delusional -what I still think he is but would have never said under normal circumstances.


What is astonishing to me is that I spelled correctly (English is not my mother tongue). My mind was clear, something not expected after a fast + alcohol.

Between yesterday and today I lost another kg, probably due to dehydration from alcohol, leaving me now at 94 kg. Down from 101.5kg a week ago.
For all you non-metric guys: 224lbs before/207lbs after.
Spurfy , do you have an idea what this manic phase was? It was not "just alcohol", it was VERY strong. I was totally on the edge.
My guess is that the ketones have a higher affinity for the GABA receptor subunits (of both A and B) than ethanol but do not trigger a depressant effect, but have no affinity for mu or sigma opioid receptors (which ethanol stimulates) which stimulate the release of dopamine and norepinephrine. This combination would prevent the sedative and sloppiness effects of alcohol while increasing the stimulant effect.

I did warn you about drinking alcohol with such a high level of ketones...
 

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short update

Today, while under influence of alcohol, I literally went on a trip. My wife was asking me if "I took something other than alcohol".
Who followed the "Soap-operesque" attack I lashed out on a AM member will clearly see that, if one knows me for longer.

That was not me -or better said, it was me on meth(never did meth) , I guess.

I'm 100% sure it had to do with the fast -and the alcohol. Even after more than half a bottle of vodka my mind was in overdrive. I was VERY aware -but at the same time manic. The effect was like on coke (that I tried, so comparison is sound) but even harsher. Lucky for me (and them) the trip began after my friends went home.

@DemntedCowboy and BEAST73 , just to make that clear, I'm not going to apologize. After reading all I wrote again, I'll stay to that, its what I thought and felt -and still feel to be correct. Nothing has changed.
I probably wouldn't have gone on a rant without that "brain quake". I did not resort to cheap verbal attacks, besides calling DC delusional -what I still think he is but would have never said under normal circumstances.


What is astonishing to me is that I spelled correctly (English is not my mother tongue). My mind was clear, something not expected after a fast + alcohol.

Between yesterday and today I lost another kg, probably due to dehydration from alcohol, leaving me now at 94 kg. Down from 101.5kg a week ago.
For all you non-metric guys: 224lbs before/207lbs after.
Spurfy , do you have an idea what this manic phase was? It was not "just alcohol", it was VERY strong. I was totally on the edge.
Reading your comments in DC's thread, my first reaction was, "What kind of drugs are they doing at this BBQ?"

I once had roughly the same amount of alcohol while in ketosis, I blacked out and passed out face first on the floor. Interesting you had the exact opposite reaction.

Hope you stick around AM, this thread has been great.
 
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HGP, Man to Man,We all have gotten like this before,but you’re wrong about me. I’am natty,I’am not a Rep for no company because there’s no money in it,and I do bodybuilding for a hobby.
 
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My guess is that the ketones have a higher affinity for the GABA receptor subunits (of both A and B) than ethanol but do not trigger a depressant effect, but have no affinity for mu or sigma opioid receptors (which ethanol stimulates) which stimulate the release of dopamine and norepinephrine. This combination would prevent the sedative and sloppiness effects of alcohol while increasing the stimulant effect.

I did warn you about drinking alcohol with such a high level of ketones...
You know how I react to advise, lol. Besides being a scary experience, it was also interesting. If that behavior were predictable for all people, it would be the best truth serum for the use by any secret service. Bring the suspect into ketosis, give him alcohol and wait. :)
 
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HGP, Man to Man,We all have gotten like this before,but you’re wrong about me. I’am natty,I’am not a Rep for no company because there’s no money in it,and I do bodybuilding for a hobby.
Even if not, there is no shame in being a rep -or on gear. But defending failures of food choices/training of others, while maintaining the most sophisticated and calculated nutritional balance, is. You are the most dedicated and athletic guy here on AM, when I witnessed that you fed DC's delusions, it really baffled me (not only me). I saw you as the epitome of what is achievable (still do) and was disappointed.
 
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Even if not, there is no shame in being a rep -or on gear. But defending failures of food choices/training of others, while maintaining the most sophisticated and calculated nutritional balance, is. You are the most dedicated and athletic guy here on AM, when I witnessed that you fed DC's delusions, it really baffled me (not only me). I saw you as the epitome of what is achievable (still do) and was disappointed.
I advise DC off AM. Let Me be straight up with you. By Me telling DC he’s looking Great and his food. Flushed out the people real thoughts about him and their negative opinions. I told DC a month ago that I was going to do this,and it was a Success.
 
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I advise DC off AM. Let Me be straight up with you. By Me telling DC he’s looking Great and his food. Flushed out the people real thoughts about him and their negative opinions. I told DC a month ago that I was going to do this,and it was a Success.
What?


So you were subconsciously manipulating HGP all this time? You are just the pinnacle of every level of being... Or you should just quit whilst your ahead.
 
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What?


So you were subconsciously manipulating HGP all this time? You are just the pinnacle of every level of being... Or you should just quit whilst your ahead.
No.. HGP, Directly? No Sir.
 
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My view is that any external calories will slow or stop autophagy. Autophagy occurs specifically because of the combination of elevated cortisol and GH. I believe that autophagy is triggered by the following: Cortisol destroys damaged/diseased cells and tissues while the elevated GH protects healthy cells and tissue. There are other specific enzymes and cytokines that participate in the autophagy process, these are upregulated when insulin is low, and GH and cortisol are high.

There's really no other physiologic mechanism that makes sense in this context.
Yep this is my understanding so that’s useful, thanks. Cell autophagy will be my
Goal so would be avoiding eaas but for those just looking for fat loss etc using them appears a legimatw option?
 
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HG, after you do straight keto for a good length of time, look into John Kiefers Carb Backloading. The concept is, you eat keto for breakfast, and lunch. On the days you workout, you are allowed high glycemic carbs for dinner, as much as you want. The concept is, you burn fat for fuel most of the time, you are so insulin sensetive, when you eat after you lift, you absorb all the carbs as muscle glycogen, and continue to burn fat. It is what I do. I have my keto, and simple carbs too.
 
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I advise DC off AM. Let Me be straight up with you. By Me telling DC he’s looking Great and his food. Flushed out the people real thoughts about him and their negative opinions. I told DC a month ago that I was going to do this,and it was a Success.
WHAT?

That explains why you posted in your log, that you would take DC's "roid expert" advise if you would go on a cycle. I almost lost it -but did not respond, because neither I am an expert -but surely DC isn't. Actually, THAT was the trigger that I reacted AT ALL. It was the cherry on top of the cake.

I have to think about all this. I'm not sure how I feel about it. Your action made me do things I can not take back (and will not).

If I wouldn't know better, I would have a glass of vodka now.
 

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You'll be fine fasting -- I don't think anything you do would push your muscles to lactate threshold. I did a three day bathroom/shower tear-out and re-tile while fasting, and while it wasn't exactly pleasant (my helper was eating almost constantly), I wasn't hindered in any way.
Thanks for reply man , I appreciate it .
 
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What?


So you were subconsciously manipulating HGP all this time? You are just the pinnacle of every level of being... Or you should just quit whilst your ahead.
I mean its a VERY cunning feat. But it did not work for DC, he is still defending his physique- implying to have less BF than I -or even comparing himself to Nike vs Reebok, he being Nike, meaning that critics are worth less. I'm not responding to that. Its a level I will not lower myself to.

He is omitting the fact to have nothing to show after 1.5 years of training, other than a drop in BF over the last few weeks.

I feel a bit raped, LOL. But I acknowledge that BEAST73 has some hidden "talents" I never suspected. Anyway, it did not work for DC, apparently.
 
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I mean its a VERY cunning feat. But it did not work for DC, he is still defending his physique- implying to have less BF than I -or even comparing himself to Nike vs Reebok, he being Nike, meaning that critics are worth less. I'm not responding to that. Its a level I will not lower myself to.

He is omitting the fact to have nothing to show after 1.5 years of training, other than a drop in BF over the last few weeks.

I feel a bit raped, LOL. But I acknowledge that BEAST73 has some hidden "talents" I never suspected. Anyway, it did not work for DC, apparently.
You know what caused me to get serious about gaining mass, (I was 115lb at 18), getting criticized for years. I took that criticism, studied, lifted, ate, and now around 170.

Also, John Kiefer Carb Backloading. Seriously, I think you may like it, later on. Nice keto variation.
 
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I mean its a VERY cunning feat. But it did not work for DC, he is still defending his physique- implying to have less BF than I -or even comparing himself to Nike vs Reebok, he being Nike, meaning that critics are worth less. I'm not responding to that. Its a level I will not lower myself to.

He is omitting the fact to have nothing to show after 1.5 years of training, other than a drop in BF over the last few weeks.

I feel a bit raped, LOL. But I acknowledge that BEAST73 has some hidden "talents" I never suspected. Anyway, it did not work for DC, apparently.
No, it means I don't need to let people try to devalue what I know that I have accomplished. I know what I have done, and thats all that matters. Even if some just got a glass half empty sort of view on the world and try to bring people down to their level.
 

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Besides me, my wife and a friend were fasting. Both had a normal activity level, like driving the car and walking around at work. BOTH broke the fast early due to dizziness and fainting spells. My wife by day 4 and my friend by day 5.
I was the one who almost didn't moved. My work is overseeing sells in my shop, sitting in front of a PC. The shop is on a lower level of my own house, so after work I only got upstairs, swam a round in the pool and found me again in front of another PC. Never got dizziness -or fainting spells.

That said, by my observation, it could be unsafe to drive -or do manual labor. Imagine being on a roof while fainting.



YES! Your knowledge bombs made a permanent impression!
Thanks man , I know I can go two days ( or so) without a meal , with no problems. ( it’s not a complete fast since I drink my coffee with heavy cream , and there are couple of calories in a Manster that I drink at lunch ) . I may try to go balls deep and see what’s up . On a side note , l hope you stick around.
 
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I mean its a VERY cunning feat. But it did not work for DC, he is still defending his physique- implying to have less BF than I -or even comparing himself to Nike vs Reebok, he being Nike, meaning that critics are worth less. I'm not responding to that. Its a level I will not lower myself to.

He is omitting the fact to have nothing to show after 1.5 years of training, other than a drop in BF over the last few weeks.

I feel a bit raped, LOL. But I acknowledge that BEAST73 has some hidden "talents" I never suspected. Anyway, it did not work for DC, apparently.
I knew he was straight as a circle. There are ways to help others. But, this just is exactly like you said “feel raped”. While we were going off on how he should change his regime, these two must have been having a laugh at our expense. I am an idiot!
 

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Okay folks...

I did it. I finally did it.

I was part of AM for about 2.5 years and shared every failure and success I had. I was always honest and I thought to be in the right place.

Even though one could be anonymous and pretend to be a different person, I did not.
This forum is full of product pushers and liars...not talking about you, MrKleen73 or you Spurfy or all the others who honestly engaged in conversations with me to better the physique.

What is it about, you ask?
https://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-logs/308260-dcs-new-year-43.html#post6184931

I'll keep staying awhile around -but I'm prepared to move on.
Listen HGC, any body telling you need anything other than natural food and excersize to get in shape is selling you something. Hell, even your boy spurfy wants to sell you a book.

You just stopped eating for 6 days. You have been fighting and trying to figure out your body. That is the journey and you seem to clearly have the fight in you. Just keep at it. You have discovered nutrition and diet and already built a very strong base. You will continue to learn a lot and next year even more people will be asking you for weightloss advice and you will know even more to help them.

Best muscles to develop: Will power and discipline.
 
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I knew he was straight as a circle. There are ways to help others. But, this just is exactly like you said “feel raped”. While we were going off on how he should change his regime, these two must have been having a laugh at our expense. I am an idiot!
No, not idiot. It showed that we were the only two with balls to tell the TRUTH. Others chimed in, most only by PM.
 
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A member pointed me by PM at a probable cause for my ranting spree besides alcohol and ketosis.

NPP is a 19-nor, like tren and could have caused it due to the combo of keto, alc, Npp.
Chados , shout out! This was a brilliant observation!
 
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HG, after you do straight keto for a good length of time, look into John Kiefers Carb Backloading. The concept is, you eat keto for breakfast, and lunch. On the days you workout, you are allowed high glycemic carbs for dinner, as much as you want. The concept is, you burn fat for fuel most of the time, you are so insulin sensetive, when you eat after you lift, you absorb all the carbs as muscle glycogen, and continue to burn fat. It is what I do. I have my keto, and simple carbs too.
YES! Good idea, was already thinking about it. Will google "John Kiefers" as soon as my adrenaline got down. :)
 
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Now that all calmed down, I gonna read on food for the keto diet.

My biggest problem is to get the needed fats in.

Was never a fan of fatty food, not even ice cream or whip cream. May have to get most fat from olive/coconut oil, taking it with a shot glass like tequila.

Keto test strips are on its way from US, they will be needed.
Will be back after training and post the next progress pic. I leaned out a bit more -still not where I wanna be -but should be apparent.
 

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Listen HGC, any body telling you need anything other than natural food and excersize to get in shape is selling you something. Hell, even your boy spurfy wants to sell you a book.
Actually, he (and a few others) would have gotten a free copy.

And last I heard, no one with my level of education and research experience (a hair under 20 years) is writing books on how to attain absolute peak fitness — inside the body and out. I’m covering everything from deep detailed presentations of the pharmacology of every single serious PED, to how to live longer, with an original source citation for every single claim of fact.

This will be the most comprehensive and scientifically-backed book of its kind ever written.

Do you know what OTC dietary supplement is about 80% as effective as EPO when dosed at high-but-safe levels? I do.

Do you know that and why Var (and all other DHT-based PEDs to varying degrees) burn belly fat? I do.

Do you know how an athlete subject to testing can run a cycle in competition without getting caught? I do.

I’ve given out a lot of exceptionally valuable knowledge here that you would be very lucky to ever stumble across on your own, for free, and my higher education bill was in the low six figures, not to mention years spent getting research publication submittals rejected by mainstream journals because the material is too controversial or too damaging to the reputation of a large group of trusted medical professionals.

So yeah, you’re damned right I’m going to push my book on this forum when it’s released. I’ve earned that right.

Don’t like it? Don’t buy the book.
 
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Now that all calmed down, I gonna read on food for the keto diet.

My biggest problem is to get the needed fats in.

Was never a fan of fatty food, not even ice cream or whip cream. May have to get most fat from olive/coconut oil, taking it with a shot glass like tequila.

Keto test strips are on its way from US, they will be needed.
Will be back after training and post the next progress pic. I leaned out a bit more -still not where I wanna be -but should be apparent.
My breakfast: 4oz pork sausage, 3 slices bacon, 3 eggs, 2tbsp butter

Lunch: 32 slices pepperoni, 25 cubes of cheese, 2tbsp putter, half cup peanuts.

Dinner: whatever I want. When I did strict keto, I would have like 14oz of some form of steak that was on sale, with butter. Wife will make various keto dishes for dinner like cheeseburger casserole, alfredo dishes with shrimp, sausage, and chicken.

Just some ideas.
 

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A member pointed me by PM at a probable cause for my ranting spree besides alcohol and ketosis.

NPP is a 19-nor, like tren and could have caused it due to the combo of keto, alc, Npp.

Chados , shout out! This was a brilliant observation!

Wow. Color me impressed — that one caught me totally off guard. Nicely done Chados.
 
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Macadamia nuts will be your bff, they’re expensive (I guess that’s subjective) here in the states but if you can afford them I suggest keeping them in the food arsenal.

Oh, if your taking shots of coconut oil.. better use the tub as your toilet lol

Coconut butter (it’s a spread similar to pb) 4g cho 3 was fiber is perfect to flavor coffee if you drink it.

You’re going to be surprised how easy it is to hit your fact macro and what foods fall in the allotted diet.
 
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Listen HGC, any body telling you need anything other than natural food and excersize to get in shape is selling you something. Hell, even your boy spurfy wants to sell you a book.

You just stopped eating for 6 days. You have been fighting and trying to figure out your body. That is the journey and you seem to clearly have the fight in you. Just keep at it. You have discovered nutrition and diet and already built a very strong base. You will continue to learn a lot and next year even more people will be asking you for weightloss advice and you will know even more to help them.

Best muscles to develop: Will power and discipline.
I agree with you on all but the book selling thing, if it was meant in a sarcastic way. He is sharing info here that he could very well have kept to himself. Honestly, I would buy some books from him, if its about something I'm interested in.
I see it like you too. Currently I'm not using any BB supplements, not even whey besides logging a trans-dermal to review it.

Note: Gear is no BB supplement. :)
 

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Now that all calmed down, I gonna read on food for the keto diet.

My biggest problem is to get the needed fats in.

Was never a fan of fatty food, not even ice cream or whip cream. May have to get most fat from olive/coconut oil, taking it with a shot glass like tequila.

Keto test strips are on its way from US, they will be needed.
Will be back after training and post the next progress pic. I leaned out a bit more -still not where I wanna be -but should be apparent.
Honestly... You really only need minimal fats when staying keto after a fast. If you go for keto with a 22/2 IF and 40-50 grams of *saturated fat* per day then fat will continue to just fall off.

If you want to keep putting on muscle do 50 grams of simple sugars with 10 grams of micronized creatine (that has been allowed to fully dissolve) peri-workout twice per week on non-consecutive days and 200 grams of carbs in your post-workout meal (which should begin no later than 30 minutes after your *fasted lift*).
 
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Macadamia nuts will be your bff, they’re expensive (I guess that’s subjective) here in the states but if you can afford them I suggest keeping them in the food arsenal.

Oh, if your taking shots of coconut oil.. better use the tub as your toilet lol

Coconut butter (it’s a spread similar to pb) 4g cho 3 was fiber is perfect to flavor coffee if you drink it.

You’re going to be surprised how easy it is to hit your fact macro and what foods fall in the allotted diet.
I love macadamia -but they are expensive here too. What do you think, would mixing coconut oil with soluble fibers curb the diarrhea?
I have at least 5 gallons of coconut oil, cold pressed at my disposal
 
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Honestly... You really only need minimal fats when staying keto after a fast. If you go for keto with a 22/2 IF and 40-50 grams of *saturated fat* per day then fat will continue to just fall off.

If you want to keep putting on muscle do 50 grams of simple sugars with 10 grams of micronized creatine (that has been allowed to fully dissolve) peri-workout twice per week on non-consecutive days and 200 grams of carbs in your post-workout meal (which should begin no later than 30 minutes after your *fasted lift*).
IF keto, never thought of it. I did normal IF for months 21/3 and felt good on it. Will do exactly as you recommended. The muscle-up comes after achieving my goal (15% BF).
 

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IF keto, never thought of it. I did normal IF for months 21/3 and felt good on it. Will do exactly as you recommended. The muscle-up comes after achieving my goal (15% BF).
IF keto is a fat blowtorch, *especially* when coming off a fast where most of your insulin sensitivity has been restored.
 
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The first training today will be high volume full body, like Pull ups , Push ups, BW horizontal rows, squats or equivalent (watching my fugged up knees), some inclined presses, Bradford presses. No PR's expected. At the end some heavy bag for cardio.
 
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IF keto is a fat blowtorch, *especially* when coming off a fast where most of your insulin sensitivity has been restored.
You sell your book off of amazon, or anywhere?
 
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Wow. Color me impressed — that one caught me totally off guard. Nicely done Chados.
Could probably be a mix of things, hunger, nandrolones, alcohol. Sounds like a nasty combo :D
 
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A member pointed me by PM at a probable cause for my ranting spree besides alcohol and ketosis.

NPP is a 19-nor, like tren and could have caused it due to the combo of keto, alc, Npp.

Chados , shout out! This was a brilliant observation!
Couldn't miss it after my last tren run lol..
 
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hairygrandpa, just catching up over weekend did I see that you dropped 17lbs over the 7 day fast? That's pretty cool.
 
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I love macadamia -but they are expensive here too. What do you think, would mixing coconut oil with soluble fibers curb the diarrhea?
I have at least 5 gallons of coconut oil, cold pressed at my disposal
Only fiber I recommend is psyllium husk (coarse not ground like the junk sold at Walmart)

“Beyond the fecal properties, psyllium appears to be able to reduce total cholesterol and LDL cholesterol in persons with high cholesterol (secondary to the gel forming properties leeching bile acids, and cholesterol being used up to replace hepatic bile acids) and there is a slight reduction of HDL as well. This is common to all dietary fibers and is not unique to psyllium”

https://examine.com/supplements/psyllium/

Goes on to mention there *may* be glucose reducing properties but other forms of fiber may have it as well.

Thing with psyllium is, it gels QUICKLY once it comes in contact with moisture. But, if you can mix it and slam coffee+oil/butter of choice then you’re golden
 

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https://actascientific.com/ASNH/pdf/ASNH-03-0155.pdf

Thoughts on why these participants experienced lowered growth hormone levels during their trial?
“Growth hormone lowered, but changes of thyroid hormone did not occur.”

That thyroid hormones were unchanged is a huge red flag with regard to this paper, especially when in their introduction they state that BMR decreased and that feeling cold was reported by the participants. Umm, T3 is the master regulator of BMR and is essentially the catalyst for heat production in the human body.

I suspect either shoddy lab work or they used diabetics as subjects but failed to disclose this (they never really even describe the demographics and histories of their subjects or what the selection criteria was) or elderly adults or some other group who is likely to have hypothalamic and/or pituitary dysfunction. And they didn’t even bother to check cortisol, which is literally in a three way tie with insulin and T3 as the three most critically important hormones in the human body.

This is a very poorly written paper that probably should not have been published without significant corrections and editing.
 
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hairygrandpa, just catching up over weekend did I see that you dropped 17lbs over the 7 day fast? That's pretty cool.
Yes! I did! Sure, lot of it is water weight -but hey, I'm exited! You are already lean -but I'm breathing down your neck!

Only fiber I recommend is psyllium husk (coarse not ground like the junk sold at Walmart)

“Beyond the fecal properties, psyllium appears to be able to reduce total cholesterol and LDL cholesterol in persons with high cholesterol (secondary to the gel forming properties leeching bile acids, and cholesterol being used up to replace hepatic bile acids) and there is a slight reduction of HDL as well. This is common to all dietary fibers and is not unique to psyllium”

https://examine.com/supplements/psyllium/

Goes on to mention there *may* be glucose reducing properties but other forms of fiber may have it as well.

Thing with psyllium is, it gels QUICKLY once it comes in contact with moisture. But, if you can mix it and slam coffee+oil/butter of choice then you’re golden
Have the husks! Yes, they turn into jelly pretty fast. If you put them in a glass of water and wait to long, you have to eat the damn pudding.
I was wondering if it stops diarrhea caused by oil intake. If nobody knows, I'll give it try.
 

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