How to "pulse" orals

[nycste]

dalamara i have similiar nipple issues. they are alittle puffier then normal esp in the inner most ring around nipple tip.

i ran a phera epi cycle but didnt notice till almost on PCt. i think
pct being torem diesel test hardcore and ran restore a few days then stopped

 

[neoborn]

neo,i think we all need a pic to back up all your advice!!!!!!!......

you seem to be one sided all the time...well what are you packin"

yea anyone can post links and tell people to do something...

What would you like me to back up bro? In reference to? Something I said sparked your "incongruity meter"? One sided, how so? Please do explain.

Much Love and let me know,

Neoborn

 

[EasyEJL]

Thanks for the help and really quick responses Dr. D!

I don't think it's the Epi itself that's causing it, maybe the bounce back on the offdays is causing extra estrogen production. I am noticing more test on offdays. Libido is through the roof! Logically, wouldn't more test mean more estrogen too? As there would be extra test to turn into estrogen.

There's no sensitivity, itchyness, or soreness. They're just puffier. I'll keep going with the cycle, throw in some ATD on offdays and see how it goes. Thanks Dr. D!

I heard a couple of other people mention the same too (When pulsing epi products), but it seemed to disappear as well. Are you using epistane or one of the clones?

 

[TripDog]

What would you like me to back up bro? In reference to? Something I said sparked your "incongruity meter"? One sided, how so? Please do explain.

Much Love and let me know,

Neoborn

in general you post a lot of advice...thats cool.....im saying who is giving this advice?
I figure people that spend so much time on this board giving advice had better have their own body on point before they start telling others what to do...
just currious bro.....would you want some 60 pound overweight trainer telling you how to workout?
Or some skinny prick giving you advice on how to bulk up?....the answer is no....congrats on the ibe thing!(they rock)...........so you gonna post a pic or what?

 

[xtraflossy]

in general you post a lot of advice...thats cool.....im saying who is giving this advice?
I figure people that spend so much time on this board giving advice had better have their own body on point before they start telling others what to do...
just currious bro.....would you want some 60 pound overweight trainer telling you how to workout?
Or some skinny prick giving you advice on how to bulk up?....the answer is no....congrats on the ibe thing!(they rock)...........so you gonna post a pic or what?

And of course, We need ya just as naked as Tripp here :lol:

(I suppose a fantastic a** shot can be just as good :head: )

 

[jaymdubbs]

That looks like a good pulse. The 6-Oxo on off nights is probably your best bet, and I would keep it to 300mg or less, like you planned. You can play it by ear and extend it past the cycle for awhile too, if you feel you even need it.

forgot to ask, since i workout in the evenings, (around 5:30) would it be better to take it all post workout, pre workout, or split the doses?

 

[neoborn]

in general you post a lot of advice...thats cool.....im saying who is giving this advice?

Me baby me, well not really, alot of the information I compile in responses / FAQs comes from long time bodybuilders n members like yourself. I basically comb the forums for good information, make sure the sources are good then post it. For instance my Epistane FAQ or advice, I have never done EPI and have never hidden the fact. I have however combed through alot of users information and compiled good info. I am an PH / PS / anabolic steroids virgin!!!

I figure people that spend so much time on this board giving advice had better have their own body on point before they start telling others what to do...

Your thought is valid but flawed. For instance what is "on point" compared to what? If I am 130lbs with 7%bf and do squats with my maximum weight, feel a rush of test / boosted libido the following days, am I wrong? Am I a liar because I don't meet up to your "on point" comparison? Please show me what information I have posted that is incorrect and that you disagree with!

just currious bro.....would you want some 60 pound overweight trainer telling you how to workout?
Or some skinny prick giving you advice on how to bulk up?....the answer is no....congrats on the ibe thing!(they rock)...........so you gonna post a pic or what?

I hear you, I have never once ( I believe, feel free to correct ) given advice to someone on how to be skinny or diet when I am currently 230lbs with probably 30+ pounds of that fat. Does that mean I cannot guide someone towards fundamental, well known forms of bodybuilding / supplementation to achieve their goals?

I have pics for you but please go to my Invalid Link Removed to view them, I am not going to post them here ( not for fear ) because this hijacks the thread way too much.

Thanks for the thanks

Much Love

Neoborn

 

[TripDog]

bro you analized that WAAAAAAAY to deep...those were examples not pertaining to you personally...your formestane page is sick!

 

[neoborn]

bro you analized that WAAAAAAAY to deep...those were examples not pertaining to you personally...your formestane page is sick!

That's what I do :lol:

I'll be honest as you can see from my pics I have a long way to go but it's getting faster and faster. The look you currently have is inspiring to me fo sho, but let's be honest, there's no comparison

I have made some good gains, no not roidzors gainz, on the DC program I have been doing lately.

The shizzle is going to go down with my Epi pulse, mass recomp baby the whole way!

Much love,

Neoborn

 

[nycste]

That's what I do :lol:

I'll be honest as you can see from my pics I have a long way to go but it's getting faster and faster. The look you currently have is inspiring to me fo sho, but let's be honest, there's no comparison

I have made some good gains, no not roidzors gainz, on the DC program I have been doing lately.

The shizzle is going to go down with my Epi pulse, mass recomp baby the whole way!

Much love,

Neoborn

NEO TELL ME HOW U LINK UR THINGS IN UR SIG>

 

[neoborn]

/hijack ....pm me

Much love

Neoborn

 

[Solitude]

I'm kinda worried that my balls has shrunk a bit, although I can't tell for sure, I don't really measure them.. lol! maybe I'm just being paranoid, but my question is when people experiencing ball shrinkage is it usually really noticeable, or is it just a slight shrinkage?

 

[bond007]

New to posting on this board, but this is a great site. Thanks to all of you for sharing your knowledge. I am 5'10"/175 and going to start a Superdrol pulse very soon. I have never done SD before, so I plan on starting out at 10mg/M-W-F and will up to 20mg only if neccessary. I would like to run it for maybe 4 weeks since I'm not looking for monumental gains and prefer to focus on safety.

#1) Dr.D recommends taking an AI on off days, my question is what does would be justifiable when taking only 10 mg of SD? I have rebound XT on hand, so that is the prefered choice.

#2) Secondly, if this were to be run concurrenty with SD, would it be wise to run it PCT for any length of time as a precautionary? If so, how much? Dr. D feels it probably wouldn't be neccesary, but I'm just trying to cover all the bases.

#3) Lastly, I also have tamoxifene citrate. If I were to run a short PCT with this as a precautionary, what dose and for how long? Most info I have found on tamox is for traditional cycles with PCTs of 4+ wks. Like most, gyno (or delayed gyno) is my biggest concern since I have a slight predisposition to it.

I realize this has probably been covered as nausium in this thread and/or others, but I am going blind trying to read 40+ pages in this thread alone . . . let alone the related threads listed below. And the search function reveils about a 1000 more.

I more than realize the pulsing concept, but I am primarily looking for dosing recommendations for AI on a low dose SD cycle (and possible PCT) and tamox PCT if neccessary.

Any and all recommendations (DR.D or anyone) are welcome.

-bond007

 

[ChuckBooty]

I'm kinda worried that my balls has shrunk a bit, although I can't tell for sure, I don't really measure them.. lol! maybe I'm just being paranoid, but my question is when people experiencing ball shrinkage is it usually really noticeable, or is it just a slight shrinkage?

It's usually pretty slight...I have never really noticed shrinkage until post cycle therapy. Once them bad boys swell up it's VERY apparent. I wouldn't worry about shrinkage unless you don't have some nolva or torem on hand. I like to run a week or two of a SERM in low dosages after a pulse....just for an added security blanket.

EDIT: bond007, I recently finished an Epistane pulse and ran some nolvadex at 30/20 for about two weeks. I noticed a pretty huge difference from my other pulse cycle where I used and AI only. I kept most of my gains and pretty much all of my strength too (I'm about three weeks out of PCT).

 

[Solitude]

It's usually pretty slight...I have never really noticed shrinkage until post cycle therapy. Once them bad boys swell up it's VERY apparent. I wouldn't worry about shrinkage unless you don't have some nolva or torem on hand. I like to run a week or two of a SERM in low dosages after a pulse....just for an added security blanket.

I see, I do have nolva fortunately, I was planning to only use natty test booster for the pct of this pulse cycle, but I think I need to play it safe and run a few weeks of nolva in post cycle therapy just to be on the safe side.

When slight shrinkage happens, is it necessary to stack SERM with AI (I'm already using AI ED during this whole on-cycle) for PCT, or can I just use a SERM + natty test booster?

 

[ChuckBooty]

I see, I do have nolva fortunately, I was planning to only use natty test booster for the post cycle therapy of this pulse cycle, but I think I need to play it safe and run a few weeks of nolva in post cycle therapy just to be on the safe side.

When slight shrinkage happens, is it necessary to stack SERM with AI (I'm already using AI ED during this whole on-cycle) for PCT, or can I just use a SERM + natty test booster?

I think for your case just running the nolva would be OK....but it doesn't hurt to be overly cautious. I ran 2 caps HDX2 along with two caps of PowerFULL just before bed (PowerFULL was not so much for libido but just for the AWESOME sleep....but the libido thing was nice) and I took my nolva in the AM on an empty stomach. I don't know if that's the recommended way to do it but it worked real nice for me. After a ten-week pulse I was pretty much fully recovered in TEN DAYS...not to be crude but my balls were HUGE!

 

[Solitude]

I think for your case just running the nolva would be OK....but it doesn't hurt to be overly cautious. I ran 2 caps HDX2 along with two caps of PowerFULL just before bed (PowerFULL was not so much for libido but just for the AWESOME sleep....but the libido thing was nice) and I took my nolva in the AM on an empty stomach. I don't know if that's the recommended way to do it but it worked real nice for me. After a ten-week pulse I was pretty much fully recovered in TEN DAYS...not to be crude but my balls were HUGE!

LOL!!

I have 60 tabs of nolva, I'm thinking of running 40 mg for 10 days and 20 mg for another 10 days, totalling in 20 days of nolva treatment, what do you think man?

 

[ChuckBooty]

LOL!!

I have 60 tabs of nolva, I'm thinking of running 40 mg for 10 days and 20 mg for another 10 days, totalling in 20 days of nolva treatment, what do you think man?

Well I don't know how shut down you are....what was your cycle?

 

[ChuckBooty]

If you're coming off a pulse you should just play it by ear. Run 40 for at least five days and then start tapering off. It's hard to explain but you'll be able to feel when to taper down and when to stop. I'm still learning the whole pulse thing...it really is an art rather than a science. On my next pulse I'm thinking about taking some nolva on my off days and try to eliminate the need for PCT at all. It's a tough thing to perfect but well worth it IMO.

 

[Solitude]

Well I don't know how shut down you are....what was your cycle?

It's a 60 day cycle consist of Epidrol and 6-oxo extreme, but I only train and dose Epi for 24 days out of that whole 60 days, and I dose 2-3 caps of 6-oxo extreme ED.


On-Cycle (60 Days):

Epidrol 90 caps (Pre & Post Workout) (Total Usage = 24 Workout Days):
Day 1-58 = Pulsed (20 mg for the first 2 workout days, 30 mg for workout 3 & 4, 40 mg for the rest of the workout days)

6-OXO EXtreme 150 caps (Dose before bed) (Total Usage = 60 Days):
Day 1-60 = 2-3 caps ED

 

[ChuckBooty]

It's a 60 day cycle consist of Epidrol and 6-oxo extreme, but I only train and dose Epi for 24 days out of that whole 60 days, and I dose 2-3 caps of 6-oxo extreme ED.


On-Cycle (60 Days):

Epidrol 90 caps (Pre & Post Workout) (Total Usage = 24 Workout Days):
Day 1-58 = Pulsed (20 mg for the first 2 workout days, 30 mg for workout 3 & 4, 40 mg for the rest of the workout days)

6-OXO EXtreme 150 caps (Dose before bed) (Total Usage = 60 Days):
Day 1-60 = 2-3 caps ED

I had a similar cycle...I would do 40 for five days, then 30 for a week or two and finish off with 20 (you gotta do the math...LOL!) You'll recover nicely.

 

[Skigazzi]

Semi-on topic ...and something I think I should know, but I dont...

When taking a methyl, at what point does it stress the liver? Is it like a one time 'stressing' of the liver as it makes its first pass, or is it a drawn out, and gradually lessening effect as the chemical is metabolized throughout its half lives??

 

[Solitude]

I had a similar cycle...I would do 40 for five days, then 30 for a week or two and finish off with 20 (you gotta do the math...LOL!) You'll recover nicely.

Haha! Alright bro, thanks for the tips. :thumbsup:

 

[Solitude]

Semi-on topic ...and something I think I should know, but I dont...

When taking a methyl, at what point does it stress the liver? Is it like a one time 'stressing' of the liver as it makes its first pass, or is it a drawn out, and gradually lessening effect as the chemical is metabolized throughout its half lives??

I'd like to know that as well, and how about the kidneys too? I think the liver gets talked about a lot, but I don't see much discussion on the effect on the kidneys, they surely get stressed out as well trying to filter these compounds don't they?

 

[BaM916]

Hey guys.

This will be my first Epi cycle, and my first time pulsing. Here is what I think im going for. What do you guys think?

Epi/Furazadrol 6 Week Pulse Cycle (Mon. Tues. Thurs. Fri.)

Epi:

Week 1) 10/20/30/30
Week 2) 30
Week 3) 40
Week 4) 50
Week 5) 60
Week 6) 60


Furazadrol:

Week 1) 50/50/100/100
Week 2) 100
Week 3) 150
Week 4) 150
Week 5) 200
Week 6) 200

Every Day:
Cissus
RYR
Saw Palmetto

Off Days:
Liv52
Hyper Test, JW, or Alpha Drive XL (this one is REALLY cheap, but if there is something better, I'll spend the money)

post cycle therapy: 3 Weeks (4 if needed)

XLean:
Week 1) 200
Week 2) 150
Week 3) 100
Week 4) 50 (if needed)

Hyper Test, JW, or Alpha Drive XL
(may need something else?)

My stats:

HT.6'2 WT.230lbs BF. around 14%
Diet: 8 meals/day min. around 5k-6k calories/day.
Training: 4days/week (Mon. Tues. Thurs. Fri.)
Previous Cycles: 1-AD, M1T, Superdrol, Ripped Tabs.
10 years training experience

Any advice, or does this look pretty good? Also, thanks for all the help and advice Neo!

TIA,
BaM

 

[neoborn]

Semi-on topic ...and something I think I should know, but I dont...

When taking a methyl, at what point does it stress the liver? Is it like a one time 'stressing' of the liver as it makes its first pass, or is it a drawn out, and gradually lessening effect as the chemical is metabolized throughout its half lives??

Taking a wild guess I would think it's dependant on how bad the chemical / steroid is. For instance M1T guys get shutdown in two days on that stuff so I would think the liver damage / stress is hard and fast and would continue as long as you are forcing the liver to process the chemical. Once you quit it's gonna take time for your body / liver to flush the crap out and then start repairing. I would think it would take a few months or longer to repair depending on stress / damage load.

Just IMO. I don't have any scientific papers etc but it makes sense to me. Apparently the liver has the wonderful ability to repair itself 100% from almost failure so .....:thumbsup: . Cycle Support / Milk Thistle etc should do a good repair job.

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Much Love,

Neoborn

 

[DR.D]

forgot to ask, since i workout in the evenings, (around 5:30) would it be better to take it all post workout, pre workout, or split the doses?

Split it equal is the best plan, or take it all in one dose pre-w/o if it's super late like close to bed time.

 

[DR.D]

DR D
need ur mediation atm
im going to start doing HST
now ofcourse as u are aware
its bast upon frequency and not burning out ur CNS
so that divulges that u dont go to failure
which in turn = minor CNS fatigue , less overall soreness

so for for the duration of this HST program
ill be working out in the morn and night

so too the point

would you see fit as too dosing 1hr pre/post like same old for the morning workout
else
1hr pre workout for both workouts?

thnkx dr deeee =)

That's a tough one! I would start by doing 1 dose only, 30-60min pre-w/o for both sessions. It should be a half dose also. If you can tolerate that without any shut-down, you can get bolder and take some post-w/o doses and raise doses too. If not, pulsing may not be the best strategy for a split w/o routine. I have done it before on days with a double w/o, but I always try to gt 3 consecutive off days also. With HST, 3 days off is pretty much impossible. You'll have to experiment a little with this.

 

[DR.D]

... Lastly, I also have tamoxifene citrate. If I were to run a short PCT with this as a precautionary, what dose and for how long? ...

I don't think you need the RXT until you move up to 20mg, and Chuck's advise is valid, a little SERM for 10-14 days post-pulse won't hurt anything. BTW, welcome 007.

 

[DR.D]

Semi-on topic ...and something I think I should know, but I dont...

When taking a methyl, at what point does it stress the liver? Is it like a one time 'stressing' of the liver as it makes its first pass, or is it a drawn out, and gradually lessening effect as the chemical is metabolized throughout its half lives??

The longer it goes on, the more stress occurs, so pulsing only results in about half the stress. Liver stress = Dose (or exposure) + Time. So there are 2 ways to alleviate liver damage, do shorter cycles, or reduce your number of exposures, this is what pulsing is.

 

[DR.D]

I'd like to know that as well, and how about the kidneys too? I think the liver gets talked about a lot, but I don't see much discussion on the effect on the kidneys, they surely get stressed out as well trying to filter these compounds don't they?

A lot of anabolics cause calcium retention and/or hypertension so kidneys can take a hit. Pulsing can only help with this and of course, watch calcium/phosphorus intake when on cycle or at least make sure you drink plenty of water. Taking a magnesium citrate supplement helps prevent stone formation too in clinical trials.

 

[DR.D]

Hey guys.

This will be my first Epi cycle, and my first time pulsing. Here is what I think im going for. What do you guys think? ...

That looks pretty good but I have not tried Furazadrol yet so I'm not sure about those doses. Also, I'm not sure how well JW would work for off days, it seems like more of a daily supp with the nettle in it, but I have no experience with this one either. Maybe somebody else can chime in for this stack, but it doesn't look too bad.

 

[BaM916]

That looks pretty good but I have not tried Furazadrol yet so I'm not sure about those doses. Also, I'm not sure how well JW would work for off days, it seems like more of a daily supp with the nettle in it, but I have no experience with this one either. Maybe somebody else can chime in for this stack, but it doesn't look too bad.

Thanks for the feedback Doc! I was thinking the same thing about JW. I will prolly go with one of the test boosters ED throughout the cycle. Now I just need to decide which one to use. any suggestions?

 

[pman]

Dr.D....could you please give me a pretty direct answer on something before i start my first M-Drol cycle....please....i've read through sooo many post and can't seem to get a good answer.
I'm going to run M-Drol at 20mg to 30mg per day for 2 days on and 2 days off for roughly 6 weeks...should i use a test booster on off days or should i just save it for off cycle???
And also i'm at a desent size pushing 260lbs is 30mg a good amount to pulse with...thank you for all your answers.

 

[EasyEJL]

Dr.D....could you please give me a pretty direct answer on something before i start my first M-Drol cycle....please....i've read through sooo many post and can't seem to get a good answer.
I'm going to run M-Drol at 20mg to 30mg per day for 2 days on and 2 days off for roughly 6 weeks...should i use a test booster on off days or should i just save it for off cycle???
And also i'm at a desent size pushing 260lbs is 30mg a good amount to pulse with...thank you for all your answers.

I'm just going to throw out guesses, but i've read most of this thread, and watched a lot. I'm thinking that with 2 day on 2 day off you'd want to dose half dose hyperdrol x2 every day, rather than off days, or just save it for PCT.

As far as the dose goes, hit 30 and see I've seen some do 40, heard one I think do 50 or 60. But the split is a little concerning to go over 30. If you do the math, in 28 days you'd dose 14 times. so at 40/dose its the same as 20mg daily. So you'd still get some fair amount of suppression + liver hit that way, since it is m-drol.

I wonder whether since m-drol isn't all that androgenic and won't give huge pre-workout stim, you could be better off de-coupling the workouts from the pulsing and do a m/w/f pulse @ 30 and stick to your workout scheme. You can always adjust later into it, go up to 40 in week 4 if gains are slowing. Even at 40 that way its still only an average of 17mg a day, 15% lower.

And I could be completely off base anyhow, but i figured i'd throw out an answer, see where it lands

 

[ITHURTZ]

So If I were to pulse my next superdrol cycle it would be something like this

20-30mg split throughout the day on M-W-F. I workout mon-thurs, and I would be able to continue this for 8 weeks correct?

Man there was ALOT of pages to read, I dont think I even absorbed all of it there was so many words

 

[pman]

So If I were to pulse my next superdrol cycle it would be something like this

20-30mg split throughout the day on M-W-F. I workout mon-thurs, and I would be able to continue this for 8 weeks correct?

Man there was ALOT of pages to read, I dont think I even absorbed all of it there was so many words

Man...you can say that again.....whats bad is when i search something in this thread 4 people say 4 different things.

 

[bond007]

ChuckBooty - Thank you sir! Did you run nolva alone or with an AI during your epistane PCT?

Dr.D - Thank you as well! Your knowledge and expertise is most appreciated . . . and very educational.

Should I run the RXT with the tamox PCT, or just off days on cycle?

Could you explain the fundamental differences between 6oxo and ADT? Why would one be prefered over another?

ALso, how profound is SD on cholesterol? Are the changes transient or possibly more long term? My HDL/LDL profile is excellent, but my overall cholesterol count is quite low. At one point, my doctor defined it as "abnormally low"

Thank again!

 

[EasyEJL]

Could you explain the fundamental differences between 6oxo and ADT? Why would one be prefered over another?

ALso, how profound is superdrol on cholesterol? Are the changes transient or possibly more long term? My HDL/LDL profile is excellent, but my overall cholesterol count is quite low. At one point, my doctor defined it as "abnormally low"

Thank again!

I can only answer on the last 2 One of the differences between 6-oxo + ATD is libido, ATD tends to drop libido while 6-oxo doesn't seem to. They both are steroidal suicide estrogen inhibitors. Price is one reason as well to prefer one or the other, also if you like combo tabs/capsules, it may be easier to find one or the other with say cortisol control or other goodies you do want. You may also want to consider 6-bromo based AIs too, as they have the plus of potentially continuing your gains somewhat during post cycle therapy.

Superdrol can rip your HDL a new a$$hole. I've seen people report single digit HDL levels after a superdrol cycle, so its a worthwhile concern. The definition of transient vs long term is hard to define, but taking normal actions that raise HDL do raise it back over time. Its worse on a 4 week daily cycle of course, I've seen people with pulses where the change is minimal.

 

[ChuckBooty]

ChuckBooty - Thank you sir! Did you run nolva alone or with an AI during your epistane post cycle therapy?

I ran the nolva along with two caps HDX2 (before bed). Took about a week to recover (ran the nolva for ten days though). Like I said, I kept just about 100% of my gains from this pulse. I'll definitely be employing nolvadex at the end of my pulse cycles from now on. It's cheap and effective...and running it for ten days or so is SOOOO much easier on your liver than a traditional four-week PCT.

 

[ImJ2x]

The longer it goes on, the more stress occurs, so pulsing only results in about half the stress. Liver stress = Dose (or exposure) + Time. So there are 2 ways to alleviate liver damage, do shorter cycles, or reduce your number of exposures, this is what pulsing is.

Isn't the liver capable of healing itself, given sufficient time? Specifically, would a 3 day on/4 day off pulse give the liver enough mini-breaks to constantly repair any damage from the 3 days of methyls? (I'm sure the dosing would have some bearing on this.)

 

[Solitude]

A lot of anabolics cause calcium retention and/or hypertension so kidneys can take a hit. Pulsing can only help with this and of course, watch calcium/phosphorus intake when on cycle or at least make sure you drink plenty of water. Taking a magnesium citrate supplement helps prevent stone formation too in clinical trials.

Thanks Doc!

 

[DR.D]

Thanks for the feedback Doc! I was thinking the same thing about JW. I will prolly go with one of the test boosters ED throughout the cycle. Now I just need to decide which one to use. any suggestions?

Well you can't go wrong with a low dose of an ATD product and it shouldn't compromise libido considering what you're pulsing, but 6-Br and formestane based products are my favorite if you wanna play it safe with your sex life.

 

[DR.D]

Dr.D....could you please give me a pretty direct answer on something before i start my first M-Drol cycle....please....i've read through sooo many post and can't seem to get a good answer.
I'm going to run M-Drol at 20mg to 30mg per day for 2 days on and 2 days off for roughly 6 weeks...should i use a test booster on off days or should i just save it for off cycle???
And also i'm at a desent size pushing 260lbs is 30mg a good amount to pulse with...thank you for all your answers.

I would do it while on. Why treat mild suppression at the end when you can prevent or at least control it the whole way through? If you really want to fool proof it as much as possible, take 2 HD2X caps every night before bed, not just off days. 6-Br is nice on lipids and a kick ass test booster too. You'll also get a synergistic bump on gains because of the elevated test and test/SD is a mighty good stack indeed! At your weight, you will probably need 30 or maybe even 40, but start at 20mg just to rule out the lower dose because it may be all you need, you never know.

 

[DR.D]

... My HDL/LDL profile is excellent, but my overall cholesterol count is quite low. At one point, my doctor defined it as "abnormally low"

Thank again!

You may have an overactive thyroid, or maybe you need a bit more saturated fat in your diet (lol, never thought I'd be suggesting that unless it was for PCT!) Did your doc run a T7 to rule out hyperthyroidism?

 

[DR.D]

Isn't the liver capable of healing itself, given sufficient time? Specifically, would a 3 day on/4 day off pulse give the liver enough mini-breaks to constantly repair any damage from the 3 days of methyls? (I'm sure the dosing would have some bearing on this.)

Yes, if you give the liver a little break, it can stay caught up very well, but inducible enzymes can stay elevated for days after a load. The big thing is that chronic biliary obstruction can eventually result in cholestasis and that is usually the issue with liver problems and methyls. Other things that can go wrong but are rare and also greatly discouraged while pulsing. Take a product like Cycle Support on your off days if you have any questions concerning your hepatic integrity, but it's usually not needed.

I like EOD pulsing because there are less extremes and training is smoother, but I like 3/3 and 3/4 splits too because it's like a mini-cycle with an equal amount of consecutive off time. Your liver stays happy both ways.

 

[neoborn]

Man...you can say that again.....whats bad is when i search something in this thread 4 people say 4 different things.

Example with quotes?

 

[ImJ2x]

Yes, if you give the liver a little break, it can stay caught up very well, but inducible enzymes can stay elevated for days after a load. The big thing is that chronic biliary obstruction can eventually result in cholestasis and that is usually the issue with liver problems and methyls. Other things that can go wrong but are rare and also greatly discouraged while pulsing. Take a product like Cycle Support on your off days if you have any questions concerning your hepatic integrity, but it's usually not needed.

I like EOD pulsing because there are less extremes and training is smoother, but I like 3/3 and 3/4 splits too because it's like a mini-cycle with an equal amount of consecutive off time. Your liver stays happy both ways.

Yeah--I don't know why, but I'm just intrigued by the "micro-cycle" approach. Probably because it's not nearly as popular as the EOD-type pulses. I'm just an odball, lol. (But this makes it a little more difficult to plan -- I'm still ironing out the details.)
Anyway, thanks for the liver info -- I most likely will use Cycle Support. And maybe the new Post Cycle Support as well, to combat any potential minor shutdown issues. (Although I seem to remember you questioning the effectiveness of Resveratrol somewhere...)

 

[pman]

I would do it while on. Why treat mild suppression at the end when you can prevent or at least control it the whole way through? If you really want to fool proof it as much as possible, take 2 HD2X caps every night before bed, not just off days. 6-Br is nice on lipids and a kick ass test booster too. You'll also get a synergistic bump on gains because of the elevated test and test/superdrol is a mighty good stack indeed! At your weight, you will probably need 30 or maybe even 40, but start at 20mg just to rule out the lower dose because it may be all you need, you never know.

Thanks Doc....you are the man....:box: thats the direct answer i was looking for....now i'm ready to kick some ass:head:

 

[DR.D]

Thanks Doc....

Yes Sir, anytime. Go get 'em! :head: