Pulse question for Dr. D or any other gurus

bigschmidt821 said:
site me blood work were it is shown to be that toxic please. beyond users giving it a bad rep and of course clones often being toxic. i took it myself and everything came back clean
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i have seen ALOT of blood work with very high liver enzymes. And there have been recorded cases of serious health problems including a wrestler that almost died from liver failure. Plus i tried it and it gave me bloody noses and headaches and extreme lethargy

Look, I did not make this statement to start anything. it was a serious warning. I had high hopes for the compound myself.

other desingers that i think are worth the risk is DMT/pheraplex, halodrol, oxyguno, and havoc and its clones
 
jomi822 said:
quite a few domestic suppliers manage to get their hands on chinese hcg.....and there is one research chem site that sells it as well
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i did a google search using the keywords "one / research / house" and came up empty

but thanks for the helpful lead anyway

:-(
 
Patrick Arnold said:
i did a google search using the keywords "one / research / house" and came up empty

but thanks for the helpful lead anyway

:-(
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that particular site i am looking at is the only "research chemical" website that is now selling igf-II, along with orthodrine, adriol, and the usuals.....
 
jomi822 said:
that particular site i am looking at is the only "research chemical" website that is now selling igf-II, along with orthodrine, adriol, and the usuals.....
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i have never seen anything in the literature that suggested IGF-II was very beneficial for anabolism.

but thats beside the point. thanks man

edit: oh sorry, thanks sweetie pie! ;-)
 
Looking forward to seeing how this works out for you. I've been looking at epi as well and running something similar...but I think the 2nd cutting cycle I'm running now may be enough to get me where I want before I start a bulk in the fall, possibly with test-e solo.

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Yep, I’m excited about it. After some careful planning and consideration, not to mention lots of advice (thanks to Dr.D in particular, and thesinner, who gave me plenty of good input in other posts) I’m just about ready to start this bad boy up on Monday.

Here’s the way it’s going to look:
Weeks 1 – 4:
Epi pulse
20/30/40
50/60/60
60/60/60
60/60/60
Vitrix 6 e/d on off days (may not be everyone’s fav. but I already have a bottle in stock)
Venom Hyperdrive 1 e/d beginning week 3
*12 days out from the end of my pulse (during week 3), I’ll start the Cytomel
12.5/12.5/12.5/12.5/25/25/25/25/37.5/37.5/37.5/37.5
and then just cruise at 50mcg for the remainder of the cycle, until 9 days before the last day (during week 7)
tapering down every 3 (37.5/37.5/37.5/25/25/25/12.5/12.5/12.5).

Weeks 5 – 8:
WinZtrol 150mg e/d
Propadrol 60mg e/d
Venom Hyperdrive 2 e/d
*Cytomel (continues as explained above)

Weeks 9 – 12 (post cycle therapy):
Novla (40/40/20/20)
Clomid (100/100/50/50)
Trione (300/300/600/600)
NOW Thyroid support (taking your advice, GP!)

And that is my recomp. Despite the length of time I’m gonna be on cycle, thanks to the addition of the pulse, I’m thinking shutdown won’t be too bad. I think it’s pretty nice looking, and in fact, I’m gonna sit back and admire it for a bit.

:food:
 
well gentlemen, today is day 1 of my mixed epi pulse/winztrol, propadrol cycle.

although i was sick all day yesterday, i still had a pretty nice workout today, and dosed 20mg preworkout then 10mg post. My second pulse day this week will be 40mg total and 3rd day will be 50mg. I decided to just go a nice round 60mg for weeks 2-4.

now here comes a question for the dr. I had an unforseen circumstance arise that will prohibit me from working out on wednesday. can i just shift my days to thursday/saturday, taking the two day break on tuesday/wednesday rather than the weekend, and then starting next monday shift back to m/w/f? I can workout thursday and saturday, so figured if i did this i could stay on track with the 3 workout days mathcing 3 pulse days. what do you think?
 
ThisGuy02 said:
... can i just shift my days to thursday/saturday, taking the two day break on tuesday/wednesday rather than the weekend, and then starting next monday shift back to m/w/f? ...
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Sure! I end up "shifting" my w/o routine a few times a month usually, lol. :rolleyes: That's real life, it doesn't always go smooth, but I have come to observe an advantage in this.

There's no doubt in my mind that over the long haul, consistency in training plays the biggest role in making and permanentizing gains. However, plateaus occur and the loss of a day here or gain there seems to discourage that. I have noticed that when I go from a 3/2 to a 3/3 or a 3/4, I will often realize a new level of strength. Overtraining, burnout? I don't know, but on the same token it's sub-optimal to stay at a 3/4 indefinitely. The way my schedule changes offers a random variation that actually helps and has no significant set-back to the pulse itself, basically just static that the body can use or at least adjust for so no detriment. I think you'll be fine with your plan.
 
DR.D said:
Sure! I end up "shifting" my w/o routine a few times a month usually, lol. :rolleyes: That's real life, it doesn't always go smooth, but I have come to observe an advantage in this.

There's no doubt in my mind that over the long haul, consistency in training plays the biggest role in making and permanentizing gains. However, plateaus occur and the loss of a day here or gain there seems to discourage that. I have noticed that when I go from a 3/2 to a 3/3 or a 3/4, I will often realize a new level of strength. Overtraining, burnout? I don't know, but on the same token it's sub-optimal to stay at a 3/4 indefinitely. The way my schedule changes offers a random variation that actually helps and has no significant set-back to the pulse itself, basically just static that the body can use or at least adjust for so no detriment. I think you'll be fine with your plan.
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Great! Thanks again!
 
DR.D said:
I do a 5 split also with 3on/2off and it works fine. The 3 consecutive days push the limits of a pulse, but the 2 consecutive offs really help to compensate. Your plan looks good with the 3 & 5 off.
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Thanks for the info Dr. D
 
How is this going so far? Thinking of doing something similar for a lean bulk in october.
Think I'm going to use TD formestane during the pulse though.
 
Gutterpump said:
How is this going so far? Thinking of doing something similar for a lean bulk in october.
Think I'm going to use TD formestane during the pulse though.
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You know, not too shabby at all. I’ve only gained a pound, but I’m midway through week two on lower cals, EC and more cardio, and I’m looking more full in the chest, arms and shoulders, and a little flatter in the stomach, so it’s working nicely.

I’m doing my second workout of the week today, but my chest day on Monday went nicely. Definitely noticed a bit of strength increase. I didn’t go for heavier weight, but I did do 3 sets of 225 at 15 reps instead of my usual 12, and I was able to go higher on my last chest workout, which was incline. Normally I’m wiped by that point, but I cranked out 3 sets of 10 at 185, with no probs.

I’m ordering the T3 on Friday, and hope to begin ramping by Thursday, so I can do it slowly and be at 50mg from day 1 of the propadrol/ztrol phase. That should produce some really nice leaning out effects. Also, I found a bottle of lipodrene in my stash, so I’m alternating 2 weeks lipo, 2 weeks Venom, and repeat. The inclusion of EC should also help the cause.

1 note: I went up on the epi too quickly (30/40/50 week 1; 60 so far week two). I started to note some shrinkage on the pulse days, and none of that increased volume on off days I read about in Dr. D’s original article, so I’m dropping back to 40 for today and Friday, then doing 50 all next week, and saving the 60mg doses for the last week, depending on how the boys are handling all this. I DO not want to start the full on phase of the cycle already shut down!
 
Thanks for the update. I'm surprised that it's causing that already, but it could be the dosing like you've suggested.
Have you thought of including HCG by week 4? I've been toying with the thought of using it on any future cycle I go on now.
 
Gutterpump said:
Thanks for the update. I'm surprised that it's causing that already, but it could be the dosing like you've suggested.
Have you thought of including HCG by week 4? I've been toying with the thought of using it on any future cycle I go on now.
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It's weird, because it's most pronounced right after my dosing, then it levels off as the day (or night) goes on, so I'm pretty sure I just dosed it too aggressively.

The good Dr. recommended this for an 8 weeker in his original:
Week-Dose(mg)
1 (10,20,30)
2 30
3 30-40
4 30-40
5 30-50
6 30-50
7 30-60
8 30-60

Now, I wrote him a little earlier to get his take on it, but I think that's what it is. I started at 30, instead of finishing with it during my first week, then went up 10mg per day. It may have just been too much too fast. I didn't notice it the first couple of days, either. It was my third dose on Saturday when I first noticed it. That's why I'm going back to the last dose where I didn't get that (40mg) and working slowly from there. The point of this short 4 weeker was just to lay down a nice, simple, little foundation to go on when I hit the propadrol/winztrol/t3 anyway. I wasn't trying to get major gains from it.

Also, just to be clear, it's not like I'm way shut down. It's not an all-day-every-day effect I'm experiencing. But I think it's a reaction, like shock at so much of a hormonal sub. all at once, without building up to it.
 
ThisGuy02 said:
It's weird, because it's most pronounced right after my dosing ...
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That's normal. If you aren't bouncing though, there needs to be at least one more off day inserted, or lower the dose as you did. Status quot recovery is better than suppression, but that extra off day is often needed to see the bounce. I notice on my 3/3 pattern that by the 3'rd straight day of dosing, I'm shrinking. I'm suppressed most of day 4. I start to recover by day 5 but I don't fully bounce till day 6, right before I recycle.
 
DR.D said:
That's normal. If you aren't bouncing though, there needs to be at least one more off day inserted, or lower the dose as you did. Status quot recovery is better than suppression, but that extra off day is often needed to see the bounce. I notice on my 3/3 pattern that by the 3'rd straight day of dosing, I'm shrinking. I'm suppressed most of day 4. I start to recover by day 5 but I don't fully bounce till day 6, right before I recycle.
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Gotcha. So most likely it also had to do with the "shift" I did last week, where my 2 day split was after the first dose (M/Th/Sat), then returning to M/W/F this week. By Friday, I'll have been dosing every other day for a full week almost, but then I'll have my 2 day break Sat and Sun and I should see some bouncing back, right?

I also reduced to 40mg yesterday as planned and noticed the shrink a little less.
 
ThisGuy02 said:
Gotcha. So most likely it also had to do with the "shift" I did last week, where my 2 day split was after the first dose (M/Th/Sat), then returning to M/W/F this week. By Friday, I'll have been dosing every other day for a full week almost, but then I'll have my 2 day break Sat and Sun and I should see some bouncing back, right?

I also reduced to 40mg yesterday as planned and noticed the shrink a little less.
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Yes, that sounds like a legitimate analysis. You may be able to get away with 50 on Friday (or whichever day you use to precede the 2 days off) and stick to 40 with your EOD phase. It is quite variable from person to person and their idiosyncrasy for a specific compound, but it sounds like you are well on the road to developing an effective system for yourself.
 
DR.D said:
Yes, that sounds like a legitimate analysis. You may be able to get away with 50 on Friday (or whichever day you use to precede the 2 days off) and stick to 40 with your EOD phase. It is quite variable from person to person and their idiosyncrasy for a specific compound, but it sounds like you are well on the road to developing an effective system for yourself.
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Thanks again, Dr. D!
 
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