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Newsarticle in Dutch Sport and Fitness: Jungle Warfare contains methyl-atd and roids!

RAVEN said:
hahahha

surprise lol How have you been bud??
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I have 2 bottles of JW that Fit sent me to get blood work on.

I'm seriously thinking about using the 2 bottles in one month or so - 5 to 6 caps/day. While getting bloodwork - of course.

You know - just to asses JW's effects at high doses...

Is that palatable to ALRI?
 
phrost said:
I still don't understand why ALR LIED on the write-up.

"ADED is a natural non-androgenic metabolite of ATD with improved oral bio-availability."

If he had said the truth from the beginning there would be no problem.
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I can not tell a lie - Jmh80 done had 2 Playmates over at his house last night.
 
Jayhawkk said:
I always have post cycle therapy and use PCT regardless of any cycle so I didn't have to be told :)
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Why would someone use PCT after an AI cycle? I was just curious if ALRI mentioned that megadosing JW would cause someone to need PCT when supplying the product to someone for liver value testing.
 
Viperspit said:
For you there's no hope. :trout:

Next questiion


p.s. Bobo, with all your new "Guests" lately at your Site, I think you need to get more bandwidth, I keep crashing over here :D
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i guess its true after all u have been running it for 12 weeks and no change :lol:
 
SCDiesel23 said:
Why would someone use post cycle therapy after an AI cycle? I was just curious if ALRI mentioned that megadosing JW would cause someone to need PCT when supplying the product to someone for liver value testing.
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Fit posted above that mega dosing JW would require a PCT. (Hormone levels, I'm thinking - not so much on liver.)
 
jmh80 said:
Fit posted above that mega dosing JW would require a post cycle therapy. (Hormone levels, I'm thinking - not so much on liver.)
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I understand that, but they also offered product to people who got liver values while megadosing JW. My question is if they told the people who were megadosing JW that they needed PCT.
 
Just to show that it is in the magazine, go and visit Invalid Link Removed and see for yourself. It is a news item there today also. I will not scan the article due to copyright issues. I already typed the text and translated it. My conclusion is that it is hormonal, though. But that is more a wordgame. And I think ALRI is good at it. Instead of attacking the messenger, they better put their energy in testing their products.

Grtz
 
Copyright issues?

SCD: No but I don't look for products to tell me all the stuff I need to do to stay healthy. I can't remember if I was told specifically to take PCT or not but they asked for people to take JW and get bloodwork and I volunteered under no obligation or pressure and considering that they are asking for bloodwork I determined on my own to have anything I would need with any possible side effects or issues that may come from a high dose.
 
Outside Backer said:
lol have u seen thre thread on bb.com about the clown asking how long dbol stays in the system :D
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yep. that's why I grow more and more tired of that place everyday. It has become the place to go for entertainment rather then learning and having any serious conversation whatsoever.
 
Pumake said:
Just to show that it is in the magazine, go and visit Invalid Link Removed and see for yourself. It is a news item there today also. I will not scan the article due to copyright issues. I already typed the text and translated it. My conclusion is that it is hormonal, though. But that is more a wordgame. And I think ALRI is good at it. Instead of attacking the messenger, they better put their energy in testing their products.

Grtz
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Okay Bukake, the reason you were attacked by others is b/c you chose to make some inflammatory claims against ALRI's Jungle Warfare without any physical proof. If you had the article, then it would just make sense to post it up at the onset of all of this to give concrete proof. :stick: BTW, guess what? Steroidal anti-e's are hormonal, regardless of what you may think. Did you ever hear of proviron? Guess what that does? How about exemestane? You guys turn your ignorance into drama way too often and its getting pretty old. I'd love to know what your screen name is on BB.com, so I could neg you there at every turn:trout: .
 
Mass_69 said:
Patrick,

All of the bloodwork I have seen from AI use raised total serum testosterone, and typically lowered estradiol & SHBG. Are you saying that AI's do not alter/lower total serum estrogens (estrone, estriol, etc.), and therefor not the total T/E ratio?
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E in this case stands for epitestosterone
 
FitnFirm said:
The article states JW has a metabolite of ATD, wow what news is that ????? We have told you all that forever !
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I guess you lack some serious Dutch language skills. I did what I felt what i had to do and that is to inform the unaware. Last time I post in this thread.

Btw, your comments make you look as a crack addict in denial. Jesus, I can imagine that you do not like the outcome, but just accept it. It is called reality.

De analyseresultaten van Jungle Warfare zijn mysterieus. Dat kun je verwachten, want de website, het etiket en de bijsluiter van Jungle Warfare-producten noemen telkens andere verbindingen. Het preparaat dat het lab heeft onderzocht zou echter een C17a-gemethyleerde analoog van het steroid ATD moeten bevatten. ATD is niet androgeen actief, maar remt wel het enzym aromatase. Het verhoogt daardoor de concentratie testosteron in het lichaam.


De onderzoekers hebben de gemethyleerde analoog van ATD gevonden. Ze vonden bovendien nog een paar andere steroidverbindingen, die de fabrikant waarschijnlijk niet heeft willen wegzuiveren.


Het is niet helemaal duidelijk om wat verbindingen het gaat, maar eentje daarvan zou wel eens dianabol kunnen zijn. Andere kandidaten zijn methyltestosteron of methyl-1-testosteron. Het gaat niet om verwaarloosbare hoeveelheden.


Meer over de analyses vind je in Sport&Fitness nr. 141 op blz. 68-70. Hij ligt nu in de schappen


Grtz
 
Pumake said:
I guess you lack some serious Dutch language skills. I did what I felt what i had to do and that is to inform the unaware. Last time I post in this thread.

Btw, your comments make you look as a crack addict in denial. Jesus, I can imagine that you do not like the outcome, but just accept it. It is called reality.

Grtz
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jasonschaffin said:
It is not the test/estrogen ratio they test for in athletics.
Testosterone/Epitestosterone
For every so many units of Test your body will also produce a certain amount of Epitestosterone. I believe the limit is 6:1. If you raise your bodies test it should still produce it in the same ratio.
Test injection/patches/creams would generally only contain test.
Have been wondering about this lately myself as it seems it would be an easy test to beat. If you can make test cream, wouldn't it be easy to make a Test/Epitestosterone cream?? Anyone know if this is done to beat drug test? I would assume so.
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Doh! Had a brain fart... it was the Nyquil...
 
Pumake said:
I guess you lack some serious Dutch language skills. I did what I felt what i had to do and that is to inform the unaware. Last time I post in this thread.

Btw, your comments make you look as a crack addict in denial. Jesus, I can imagine that you do not like the outcome, but just accept it. It is called reality.

De analyseresultaten van Jungle Warfare zijn mysterieus. Dat kun je verwachten, want de website, het etiket en de bijsluiter van Jungle Warfare-producten noemen telkens andere verbindingen. Het preparaat dat het lab heeft onderzocht zou echter een C17a-gemethyleerde analoog van het steroid ATD moeten bevatten. ATD is niet androgeen actief, maar remt wel het enzym aromatase. Het verhoogt daardoor de concentratie testosteron in het lichaam.


De onderzoekers hebben de gemethyleerde analoog van ATD gevonden. Ze vonden bovendien nog een paar andere steroidverbindingen, die de fabrikant waarschijnlijk niet heeft willen wegzuiveren.


Het is niet helemaal duidelijk om wat verbindingen het gaat, maar eentje daarvan zou wel eens dianabol kunnen zijn. Andere kandidaten zijn methyltestosteron of methyl-1-testosteron. Het gaat niet om verwaarloosbare hoeveelheden.


Meer over de analyses vind je in Sport&Fitness nr. 141 op blz. 68-70. Hij ligt nu in de schappen


Grtz
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No offense bud, but that article didin't tell us ****. Maybe Pat was right and we should have just all had you believing there was d-bol in there, instead, ALR felt it was the right thing to do to dispell the rumor mill and the inept translation of your post scaring the hell out of everyone.
 
Patrick Arnold said:
i like dumbell deadlifts. anyone do these?
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Sometimes. same goes with Romanian Deadlifts, Bulgarian Split-Squats, etc....

Btw

Patrick Arnold said:
damn the reason i bought hot stuff back in the day is cuz everyone said it was spiked with methyltest
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Hot Stuff, the pre-wo shake?

I believe this was one of my first supplements other than a handful of Weider's crap, but I recall my biggest gains coming from hot stuff. I went from 140 up to 165 my first year...
 
God shut the hell up already.. You are worse then the hemrhoids i received during child birth.., Stay in holland OK.. Enough \


Sorry everyone but this guy is pissing me off.
Pumake said:
I guess you lack some serious Dutch language skills. I did what I felt what i had to do and that is to inform the unaware. Last time I post in this thread.

Btw, your comments make you look as a crack addict in denial. Jesus, I can imagine that you do not like the outcome, but just accept it. It is called reality.

De analyseresultaten van Jungle Warfare zijn mysterieus. Dat kun je verwachten, want de website, het etiket en de bijsluiter van Jungle Warfare-producten noemen telkens andere verbindingen. Het preparaat dat het lab heeft onderzocht zou echter een C17a-gemethyleerde analoog van het steroid ATD moeten bevatten. ATD is niet androgeen actief, maar remt wel het enzym aromatase. Het verhoogt daardoor de concentratie testosteron in het lichaam.


De onderzoekers hebben de gemethyleerde analoog van ATD gevonden. Ze vonden bovendien nog een paar andere steroidverbindingen, die de fabrikant waarschijnlijk niet heeft willen wegzuiveren.


Het is niet helemaal duidelijk om wat verbindingen het gaat, maar eentje daarvan zou wel eens dianabol kunnen zijn. Andere kandidaten zijn methyltestosteron of methyl-1-testosteron. Het gaat niet om verwaarloosbare hoeveelheden.


Meer over de analyses vind je in Sport&Fitness nr. 141 op blz. 68-70. Hij ligt nu in de schappen


Grtz
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RAVEN said:
Ok Pat.... I am not nice all the time lol
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I've never seen you be a @$@%^, but I hear things :D Hope you are having a good evening sweetie.

p.s. I'm on bb enteraining the masses. I'm pulling rabbits outta my ass, I need a raise ;)
 
Awww u r too sweet... Pull rabbits out of your ass?? I want pictures.. Me and Zach are playing with 3000 sq of race car track.. Its a good thing ALR is outta town.. You should see our back yard right now lol... Nascar city.. Oh and yah you do need a raise... LOL I put a good word in with the big guy... lol

Viperspit said:
I've never seen you be a @$@%^, but I hear things :D Hope you are having a good evening sweetie.

p.s. I'm on bb enteraining the masses. I'm pulling rabbits outta my ass, I need a raise ;)
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I haven't done any yet because I am still on the cycle but I have a 5th of tequilla, a lot of raw meat and viagra for when I come off.
 
Jayhawkk said:
I started a couple weeks ago with these to get my back, back to working order. I enjoy them.
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yeah they avoid stress on my lower spine and puts it in the spinal erector from the side angle (dunno if i explained that right)
 
bitterplacebo said:
For stiff-leg deadlift sometimes I use the dumbbells. I'd imagine sometimes it might be hard to find heavy enough dumbbells to work with for deadlifts. I know my gym only goes to 100 pounders.
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dunno if i do them right but i have the opposite leg from the one my dumbell is in more in front of the other. then i lift the dumbell while mentally trying to drive that front fooot through the floor for power. i concentrate on my glute as the source of power
 
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