Newsarticle in Dutch Sport and Fitness: Jungle Warfare contains methyl-atd and roids!

hAHAHHAHAH Lee is the best.. and thank you. I can be pretty ball crunching when it comes to my husbands honor ")
bigschmidt821 said:
Raven how can u be banned at bb.com? lee over at AX said ur such a sweet nice lady? talking to him about it a few weeks ago at my house! f* bb.com
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RAVEN said:
hAHAHHAHAH Lee is the best.. and thank you. I can be pretty ball crunching when it comes to my husbands honor ")
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yea lee is awesome he taught me how to dead lift kid is crazy strong too he said he likes u cuz u r genuinley nice thats rare. he was telling me alot about u and author
 
Thats so cool.. Whats your dead lift ???? Yah I feel the same way about Lee.. He is TOTALLY easy going and extremely bright.. Also a rare combo lol.. Please tell him I said hi and why the hell has he not emailed me lol

bigschmidt821 said:
yea lee is awesome he taught me how to dead lift kid is crazy strong too he said he likes u cuz u r genuinley nice thats rare. he was telling me alot about u and author
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raven tell him urself he is here. my dead is only 400 barely. i only started a few months ago when lee showed me. i dont do it that much tho its hard without his help
 
what the hell do ya mean only 400??? that is straight stud status bud/// Good job.. And of course HI LEE WHY THE HELL DONT YA EMAIL ME ANY MORE LOL

TELL KEV AND STEVE I SAID HI TOO...

bigschmidt821 said:
raven tell him urself he is here. my dead is only 400 barely. i only started a few months ago when lee showed me. i dont do it that much tho its hard without his help
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RAVEN said:
what the hell do ya mean only 400??? that is straight stud status bud/// Good job.. And of course HI LEE WHY THE HELL DONT YA EMAIL ME ANY MORE LOL

TELL KEV AND STEVE I SAID HI TOO...
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thx for the compliment. i just compare myself to lee he is stud of studs. tell author i love his books they are damn helpful
 
Will do... And Lee is a stud :) You are lucky to have Steve as a boss.., He is about as cool as they get... Take care and shoot me an email if you need any supps.. :)

bigschmidt821 said:
thx for the compliment. i just compare myself to lee he is stud of studs. tell author i love his books they are damn helpful
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RAVEN said:
Will do... And Lee is a stud :) You are lucky to have Steve as a boss.., He is about as cool as they get... Take care and shoot me an email if you need any supps.. :)
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steve is great has taught me alot every day it seems. ill let u know if i ever do need anything that is kewl of you.
 
RAVEN said:
hAHAHHAHAH Lee is the best.. and thank you. I can be pretty ball crunching when it comes to my husbands honor ")
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I think I just connected to whom you are married (assume also the father of your son)....

(Some prior posts from way back when that confused me back then now make a lot more sense.)
 
hahahha

surprise lol How have you been bud??
jmh80 said:
I think I just connected to whom you are married (assume also the father of your son)....

(Some prior posts from way back when that confused me back then now make a lot more sense.)
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I'm so confused...I'm not sure which I should buy now: Jungle Warfare, Hyperdrol, Epistane, Mass FX, or Havoc :ntome:

Great read guys. Thanks to all involved (that contributed).
 
Mass_69 said:
Patrick,

All of the bloodwork I have seen from AI use raised total serum testosterone, and typically lowered estradiol & SHBG. Are you saying that AI's do not alter/lower total serum estrogens (estrone, estriol, etc.), and therefor not the total T/E ratio?
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It is not the test/estrogen ratio they test for in athletics.
Testosterone/Epitestosterone
For every so many units of Test your body will also produce a certain amount of Epitestosterone. I believe the limit is 6:1. If you raise your bodies test it should still produce it in the same ratio.
Test injection/patches/creams would generally only contain test.
Have been wondering about this lately myself as it seems it would be an easy test to beat. If you can make test cream, wouldn't it be easy to make a Test/Epitestosterone cream?? Anyone know if this is done to beat drug test? I would assume so.
 
Do users have to use PCT with JW ?

answer:


If they follow label directions no (it acts as an AI), If they dose higher then possible. If they mega dose, yes
 
So...is everything okay and can I go back to double dosing my dbol. I mean my JW now :)

And here I thought I would be able to keep a secret.













/snicker
 
Well, I'd still be interested in seeing the Dutch magazine article (along w/ a proper ENGLISH translation ie: not from babelfish/google translator). Do we even know the name of the magazine?
 
Patrick Arnold said:
AIs should not cause the T/E ratio to change

they increase natural production, so natural T/E ratios are maintained
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What about supplements like Novedex XT and 6-OXO, aren't they categorize as AI and they suppress Estrogen and increase Test levels? So they basically change the T/E ratio don't they?
 
jasonschaffin said:
It is not the test/estrogen ratio they test for in athletics.
Testosterone/Epitestosterone
For every so many units of Test your body will also produce a certain amount of Epitestosterone. I believe the limit is 6:1. If you raise your bodies test it should still produce it in the same ratio.
Test injection/patches/creams would generally only contain test.
Have been wondering about this lately myself as it seems it would be an easy test to beat. If you can make test cream, wouldn't it be easy to make a Test/Epitestosterone cream?? Anyone know if this is done to beat drug test? I would assume so.
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Correct, I believe athletes have taken epitestosterone to avoid testing positive, e.g. see:
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jasonschaffin said:
It is not the test/estrogen ratio they test for in athletics.
Testosterone/Epitestosterone
For every so many units of Test your body will also produce a certain amount of Epitestosterone. I believe the limit is 6:1. If you raise your bodies test it should still produce it in the same ratio.
Test injection/patches/creams would generally only contain test.
Have been wondering about this lately myself as it seems it would be an easy test to beat. If you can make test cream, wouldn't it be easy to make a Test/Epitestosterone cream?? Anyone know if this is done to beat drug test? I would assume so.
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I belive this was done before to beat the drug test. But now epitestosterone is on the banned list as a masking agent. So you cant ad epi to keep the ratio in the approved spectrum.
 
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I guess that those person tests at Alri´s forum part here at am.com will clear those issues,people will do liver and testostron test after Jw cycles.
 
So what the heck is going on, I get more and more confused the longer this thread goes on. (as a rule I get confused easily, so nothing out of the ordinary), but the WTF is in jungle Warfare.:wtf:
 
MrZ said:
So, how about liver-issues with JW? Containing a 17-alkylated compound and all:think:
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Not every methyl is hepatoxic. I imagine that you are not concerned about your caffeine (methyl-xanthine) consumption.
 
whitedevil74 said:
So what the heck is going on, I get more and more confused the longer this thread goes on. (as a rule I get confused easily, so nothing out of the ordinary), but the WTF is in jungle Warfare.:wtf:
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6-dehydromethyltestosterone (JW compound)

In simple terms as stated, it acts as an AI. The higher you dose it (above recommended dosage of 3/day), it becomes more anabolic.

I've personally dosed it up to 5 or 6 caps/day for a week or 2 and dropped back down. The seet spot for me seems to be in the 3 to 4 range. By this I mean seeing continual gains.

Now I wonder how long it will be before the knock-off's start. :blink:
 
Rodja said:
Not every methyl is hepatoxic. I imagine that you are not concerned about your caffeine (methyl-xanthine) consumption.
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I know not all methylated compounds are toxic, however steroidal substances alkylated at the 17'th carbon has a history of beeing so. Thats why I ask this question..

17a-methyl-5a-dehydroetiocholane-4,6-dien-3-one-17-ol

Im not saying it IS toxic but it's sure is related to compounds that is..
 
MrZ said:
Im not sure why the liver would care about the androgenic properties of the substance?
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He is right, it was explained on here once before, but the androgenic properties have to do whether or not the methyl is liver toxic. Coffee isn't androgenic, but it is methylated, you don't hear of people getting liver failure from coffee.
 
last time I checked caffeine wasnt a steroidal compound which makes totally irrellevant in this topic no?
 
MrZ said:
last time I checked caffeine wasnt a steroidal compound which makes totally unirrellevant in this topic no?
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No, because obviously you are having a problem understanding what is being told to you, so I was trying to give you an example of something that has no androgenic properties, is methylated, yet not liver toxic.
 
Im not tryin to ba an a$$ here, I love JW and my question is just of curiousity about how a 17-methyl compound in the steroid area i livertoxic when another is not.
 
MrZ said:
So, how about liver-issues with JW? Containing a 17-alkylated compound and all:think:
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you will have the answer to your question in about a week and a half. There are a few of us taking different dosages and getting liver tests done. I will be getting all of my post bloodwork done this Friday.
 
superdrollover said:
you will have the answer to your question in about a week and a half. There are a few of us taking different dosages and getting liver tests done. I will be getting all of my post bloodwork done this Friday.
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I've seen someones blood work while on JW, and their liver enzymes were no more elevated than someone who has been working out intensely for a while.
 
SCDiesel23 said:
I've seen someones blood work while on JW, and their liver enzymes were no more elevated than someone who has been working out intensely for a while.
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I kind of figured as much. Why would ALRI have us take the blood tests if they werent certain there was no or little toxicity. I for one am not worried at all.
 
MrZ said:
Im not tryin to ba an a$$ here, I love JW and my question is just of curiousity about how a 17-methyl compound in the steroid area i livertoxic when another is not.
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An answer from Patrick Arnold in previous thread.

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SCDiesel23 said:
No, that was when he thought it was methylATD
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The reasoning still applies. JW is used as an AI, with anabolic properties at higher than recommended doses. I don't think anyone mentioned androgenic effects, but I could be wrong and a rep could better answer to that.
 
bitterplacebo said:
The reasoning still applies. JW is used as an AI, with anabolic properties at higher than recommended doses. I don't think anyone mentioned androgenic effects, but I could be wrong and a rep could better answer to that.
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This is an AI with androgenic properties, the reasoning does not still apply. Yes, with a lower dose the androgenic properties will be lower, but that doesn't negate the fact that this compound does indeed have androgenic properties, as it is 40% as androgenic as methyltestosterone.
 
SCDiesel23 said:
This is an AI with androgenic properties, the reasoning does not still apply. Yes, with a lower dose the androgenic properties will be lower, but that doesn't negate the fact that this compound does indeed have androgenic properties, as it is 40% as androgenic as methyltestosterone.
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I still don't understand why ALR LIED on the write-up.

"ADED is a natural non-androgenic metabolite of ATD with improved oral bio-availability."

If he had said the truth from the beginning there would be no problem.
 
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