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Newsarticle in Dutch Sport and Fitness: Jungle Warfare contains methyl-atd and roids!

john123131 said:
i think its funny that people come on here, dont contribute anything to the board, and announce something like this....seems a lil shady to me....in any case, im sure the right people will comment on this.
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There is a whole lot of shooting the messenger going on lately. Personally I could care less what the messengers motivations are, I care about the accuracy of the message. Lets stay on message.
 
Hey how come the last part is in english?? Where is the labs on this..

Pumake said:
You better read it again. Because it states:

Toen de cehmici Vladimir Zhabinski en Vladimir Khirpach van het institute of Bioorganic Chemistry in Belarus een monster van Jungle Warfare analyseerden, ondekte ze inderdaad methyl-atd. Samen met nog een ander stel steroiden die beslist niet in thuishoren. Hun concentratie is niet verwaarloosbaar. Die steroiden zijn waarschijnlijk ointstaan toen een chemiebedrijf de actieve stof in jungle warfare heeft gemaakt en vervolgens heeft verzuimd om de ongewenste steroiden weg te zuiveren. Dat is zeker problematisch , want 1 van de mogelijk ongewenste steroiden in Jungel Warfare is dianabol!!!

In plain English, btw the text goes on about the side effects which can occur, it states:

Due to impurities in the manufactoring process the manufactorer did not erase the byproducts while producting methyl atd. Such as dbol.

Grtz
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Who peed in your cheerios.. That is a bold claim my friend
SCDiesel23 said:
Normally I would agree, but this is an entirely different situation. ALRI purposely mislead consumers with mislabeled products, as their chemical nomenclature wasn't ever correct on the bottle. PA came out and said just that "hey ALRI, your product is inaccurately labeled" With DS, the supposed chemical was correctly labeled, it just turned out what was in the pills was incorrect.
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Ok so where is the proof... May be the results arent coming up on my computer.,.
Pumake said:
It states due to the manufactoring process. ALRI has an obligation to its customers to do a quality check. Apperently they have not done this based on the analysis performed! You be the judge! The fault would lay at the actual manufactorer, and not the supp company itself, which is just selling the bottled product. Still they lack serious quality controls!

Grtz
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RAVEN said:
Who peed in your cheerios.. That is a bold claim my friend
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It's not a bold claim, none of the experienced chemists can make out what the chemical compound denoted on the label of Jungle Warfare is, parts of it don't even make sense. If you would like to explain to me how there can be a 5a-dehydro in the JW nomenclature, I would love to listen to you.
 
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E=SCDiesel23;877298]It's not a bold claim, none of the experienced chemists can make out what the chemical compound denoted on the label of Jungle Warfare is, parts of it don't even make sense. If you would like to explain to me how there can be a 5a-dehydro, I would love to listen to you.[/QUOTE]
 
liftitbig85 said:
When the cehmici Vladimir Zhabinski and Vladimir Khirpach of the institute or Bioorganic Chemistry in Belarus a monster of jungle analysed Warfare, ondekte them indeed methyl-atd. With still a another couple steroiden who does not belong definitely in. Their concentration is not negligible. Those steroiden probable ointstaan then a chemistry company the active substance in jungle warfare has has been made and vervolgens has has been failed the undesirable purify steroiden gone. That is certainly problematic, because 1 of the possibly undesirable steroiden in Jungel Warfare dianabol!!! is

read with care haha
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for RAVEN
 
SCDiesel23 said:
It's not a bold claim, none of the experienced chemists can make out what the chemical compound denoted on the label of Jungle Warfare is, parts of it don't even make sense. If you would like to explain to me how there can be a 5a-dehydro in the JW nomenclature, I would love to listen to you.
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Exactly, the bottle I'm holding in my hand says:
17-alkyl-4-delta-5a-dehydro-etiocholan-1,6-dien-3-one

Then again, I guess this is a bit off topic for this thread.
 
liftitbig85 said:
that too would be nice..I tried finding that magazine on-line- 30 minutes later I got tired of looking.
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Oh I found the magazine but the full content is not on the web. See what happens when your famous :D I know for a fact its not Dbol, I have the lab results that we did for in house. I think its funny **** cause someone gonna get the hammer real soon :D
 
jeff k said:
Exactly, the bottle I'm holding in my hand says:
17-alkyl-4-delta-5a-dehydro-etiocholan-1,6-dien-3-one

Then again, I guess this is a bit off topic for this thread.
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Right, but she basically called me out for stating the truth, so I want to hear how it makes sense

Patrick Arnold said:
the next confusing aspect of this name is "4-delta-5a". Either the person that put this in the name does not understand steroid chemistry or they did not care. Bottom line, 4-delta means a double bond at the 4,5-position. 5a means there is a hydrogen atom at the 5alpha position. You cannot have both a double bond at 4,5 and a hydrogen at 5alpha. you will exceed the valence of the 5 carbon.

then you have the dehydro abbreviation stuck in there at an awkward location in the name. i will just ignore that cuz its senseless
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FitnFirm said:
Oh I found the magazine but the full content is not on the web. See what happens when your famous :D I know for a fact its not Dbol, I have the lab results that we did for in house. I think its funny **** cause someone gonna get the hammer real soon :D
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FNF :gotsearch QUEEN! hah..maybe the thread started can scan in the page(s) from the magazine...he obviously has it?
 
Ok forgive me here.... First of Diesel... I am getting your answer from the big guy himself who btw is an experienced chemist.. so do not think i forgot about you.. So all of this because PUMAKE finds ( or made up ) some stupid stuff about JW> So it must be true if someone says it is...well if thats how we are playing this PUMAKE your an idiot.. there it must true. you state a claim and then have NOTHING to back it up with.. I love this board.. but this is for intelligent conversation not preschool go back to bb.com..

Author sent PA the bottle of JW so he could test it himself.. We have nothing to hide. So please enough wasting time already
 
SCDiesel23 said:
Right, but she basically called me out for stating the truth, so I want to hear how it makes sense
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Oh I found the magazine but the full content is not on the web. See what happens when your famous I know for a fact its not Dbol, I have the lab results that we did for in house. I think its funny **** cause someone gonna get the hammer real soon

No I called you out for making a bold statement you can not back
 
RAVEN said:
Ok forgive me here.... First of Diesel... I am getting your answer from the big guy himself who btw is an experienced chemist..

Author sent PA the bottle of JW so he could test it himself.. We have nothing to hide. So please enough wasting time already
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Thanks.

Also, you're correct, PA did test it. It came back as an isomer of 6-dehydromethyltestosterone.

d-bol= 1-dehydromethyltestosterone
oral turinabol= 4-dehydromethyltestosterone
???= 6-dehydromethyltestosterone

Isomers usually have similar or the exact same characteristics of the parent compound.
 
RAVEN said:
Oh I found the magazine but the full content is not on the web. See what happens when your famous I know for a fact its not Dbol, I have the lab results that we did for in house. I think its funny **** cause someone gonna get the hammer real soon

No I called you out for making a bold statement you can not back
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Well PA is quite experienced in his field, and was not posting his own personal opinion, better yet scientific fact. I ran that by another chemist friend of mine who was able to corroborate what PA had to say.
 
Same conversation going on, on bb.com forum also.....

I for one respect ALRI and so if it cannot be 100% proven that a steroidal compound is in JW then the conversations about it should be dropped.
 
Rodja said:
No, it has been out for over a year now. ADED, a metabolite of ATD, will cause the T:E ratio to be skewed which leads to a failed test. All AI's are on the banned list, so it would be foolish and ignorant to think that JW would not cause an athlete to fail a UA.
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AIs should not cause the T/E ratio to change

they increase natural production, so natural T/E ratios are maintained
 
awmcdon said:
PA was not looking for trace amounts of dianabol, he was looking to identify the main hormonal compound isolated.

At the low levels probably present your not going to find it unless your looking for it.
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i can always go back and look at the mass spectrum. its saved. there were some small peaks i did not bother to identify
 
liftitbig85 said:
FnF...so i'm guessing ALR got the third party testing back with the new standard after PA's testing came back "inconclusive"?
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Our own personal testing came back yes, and JW has the contents it is supposed to have, which is not what Patrick though it had.
 
Pumake said:
I do not care what Patrick found. They found roids in JW pure and simple. And for competitive athletes not informed it sucks! ALRI promotes it as a natrual product while it simply is not! AND that is just cheap.

Grtz
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lmfao

i dont care what pat arnold says he is a smart ****er but ill listen to the dutch

thanks:clean: lmfao
 
Keep it on topic without the insults and accusations that go beyond the scope of the thread. You have Raven and FNF along with PA in here so i'm sure there will be an answer.
 
Pumake said:
It states due to the manufactoring process. ALRI has an obligation to its customers to do a quality check. Apperently they have not done this based on the analysis performed! You be the judge! The fault would lay at the actual manufactorer, and not the supp company itself, which is just selling the bottled product.
Grtz
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that is false

i am a contract manufacturer. a contract manufacturer is NOT at fault, its the person that sells it
 
liftitbig85 said:
was there any traces of this when you tested?
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i looked back

the first batch contained 300 peak and 298 peak

the second just had 300

298 is likely methyl ATD

300 is 6-dehydromethyltest (what is on the bottle apparently), but it also can be dianabol.

however it would have identified it as dbol in the MS library most likely

so either there is just a very tiny amount of dbol in there or the people that did the test mistook 6dehydro for dbol
 
we're pretty much not going to get anywhere unless pumake scans a copy of that article, or if someone finds it on the web...or PA identifies the peaks he speaks of...which even then most people won't believe..i have a feeling this is going to be another locked thread very soon
 
FitnFirm said:
Oh I found the magazine but the full content is not on the web. See what happens when your famous :D I know for a fact its not Dbol, I have the lab results that we did for in house. I think its funny **** cause someone gonna get the hammer real soon :D
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no offense but you don't know anything about testing my dear
 
I hope you people dont expect me to bother ALR while he is on his yacht ? You know he does deserve a break after creating all these products that are stealing market share by the minute :D
 
RAVEN said:
Oh I found the magazine but the full content is not on the web. See what happens when your famous I know for a fact its not Dbol, I have the lab results that we did for in house. I think its funny **** cause someone gonna get the hammer real soon

No I called you out for making a bold statement you can not back
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did you test for dbol?

if not then it will not say there is any dbol in there

even though there can be 1 or 2%

we are talking trace here. a regular assay is not going to look at trace impurities
 
SCDiesel23 said:
Thanks.

Also, you're correct, PA did test it. It came back as an isomer of 6-dehydromethyltestosterone.

d-bol= 1-dehydromethyltestosterone
oral turinabol= 4-dehydromethyltestosterone
???= 6-dehydromethyltestosterone

Isomers usually have similar or the exact same characteristics of the parent compound.
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it came back as 6 dehydromethyltestosterone which is an isomer of methyltestosterone

and 4-dehydromethyltestosterone is redundant (at it certainly is not OT)
 
RBKing said:
At least we have established that there's something anabolic in JW, probably should't be taken for post cycle therapy.
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How many times do I have to tell you people that WE DO NOT MARKET JUNGLE WARFARE FOR PCT !!!!!!!!!! Geez- US !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
To be honest FnF, market shares don't prove or disprove anything that is being questioned here. If his product proved to be 100%dbol they would be sold out by this evening :)
 
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