i still wonder who is behind SFR..seems like a shy person..i hope they come out soon
so true so true so true:clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :woohoo:This reminds me of a train wreck.Its a shame that fact and opinion are used interchangably but whats really unfortunate is the focus on character assasination!
I just wonder how many people would act in such an unbecoming manner if they were face to face and not hidden behind a computer monitor?
why? when there are great products out epistane for onegod i wish they could bring back 17aa dht and the "PHs" of the past
somewhere on here they used to have a homebrew section and the directions to strip fillers... any one wanna give it a go?Boy would the fillers cause some grief.:jaw:
ahaha... most people, myself included, just think sfr is a shell comp of a larger comp and used to try out these "new" "innovative" products without the ramifications to their direct namesake.... with someone gettin so pissy i couldnt imagine whooooo:think:i still wonder who is behind SFR..seems like a shy person..i hope they come out soon
tried hemaguno(epistane clone), it did little if anything for me.why? when there are great products out epistane for one
I'd hold steady if I were you. Just because you're not feeling anything doesn't mean nothing is happening. You monitoring your bloodpressure? Urine color? Stool color? Just because this doesn't appear to be living up to the hype doesn't mean it is inert. This could be doing profound things to your body even if it isn't slapping on the muscle.i can bump it up to 6 or 7 if you want, it will shorten the duration on the product,,but it can put the nail in the coffin as for the dosage with the unmethylated oxyguno.
Thanks for the feedback.I'm on day 13/14 of Oxy. I'm taking 3 caps/day split over meals. The first week, there was nothing. However, I jumped on the scale tonight and I'm up 3.2 lbs. From 223-226.2 I eat very clean and do plenty of cardo, so this is lean as can be. I feel normal, no crazy pumps or anything. BF % is 8.7, I forgot to meaure at the beginning.
I'm still up the air about it, I'll let you know if anything changes.
PS-not a shill or anything, just interested in the compound because of the Q ratio.
BP is fine i think it was around 117/78(approx) yesterday morning around 0900,,i ran a EKG strip last night at 2200(was not a 12 lead), i am in normal sinus rhythm as of yesterday, slight systolic murmur not of any significance. urine is light yellow, no sediment or mucus. my last BM today around 0430 was brown and well formed.I'd hold steady if I were you. Just because you're not feeling anything doesn't mean nothing is happening. You monitoring your bloodpressure? Urine color? Stool color? Just because this doesn't appear to be living up to the hype doesn't mean it is inert. This could be doing profound things to your body even if it isn't slapping on the muscle.
LOL, I didn't need the detail just wanted to make sure you were monitoring for potential sides. Kinda sounds like this product is doing nothing to you.BP is fine i think it was around 117/78(approx) yesterday morning around 0900,,i ran a EKG strip last night at 2200(was not a 12 lead), i am in normal sinus rhythm as of yesterday, slight systolic murmur not of any significance. urine is light yellow, no sediment or mucus. my last BM today around 0430 was brown and well formed.
had the chance to get bloodwork yesterday but forgot..i am past due for getting my total test checked..last time it was 709ng/dl aout a year agoLOL, I didn't need the detail just wanted to make sure you were monitoring for potential sides. Kinda sounds like this product is doing nothing to you.
good to know someone has been on the product for about the same amount of time as me..looking foward to see how your review will go.I'm on day 13/14 of Oxy. I'm taking 3 caps/day split over meals. The first week, there was nothing. However, I jumped on the scale tonight and I'm up 3.2 lbs. From 223-226.2 I eat very clean and do plenty of cardo, so this is lean as can be. I feel normal, no crazy pumps or anything. BF % is 8.7, I forgot to meaure at the beginning.
I'm still up the air about it, I'll let you know if anything changes.
PS-not a shill or anything, just interested in the compound because of the Q ratio.
you realize how ridiculous that sounds?all the more reason to have D come out with the product himself at a GOOD price and a GOOD dose!
LMAO talk about a "LOG". thanks lanky thats tha shii..... lol:toofunny:BP is fine i think it was around 117/78(approx) yesterday morning around 0900,,i ran a EKG strip last night at 2200(was not a 12 lead), i am in normal sinus rhythm as of yesterday, slight systolic murmur not of any significance. urine is light yellow, no sediment or mucus. my last BM today around 0430 was brown and well formed.
Ditto....:woohoo:Evan, shoot me the link in a pm, if you don't mind. I'm still interested in this. BB.com does fall into some decent arguments every once in a blue moon.
Is that the reason, better absorbtion?The incorporation of a methyl group can have one of three general effects on the rate of metabolism of an analogue:
1. an increased rate of metabolism due to oxidation of the methyl group
Why does that sound ridiculous? Id imagine that anyone who wanted to try a compound like this would love to get an effective dose at a reasonable price but maybe thats ridiculous also.:blink:you realize how ridiculous that sounds?
Mowry is correct - CH3 protects the molecule against first pass liver degredation. Testosterone tabs aren't worth a sh*t, for instance, unless methylated.Also not being a chemistry dood or read up in some areas can someone tell me why "we" methylate things?
Is that the reason, better absorbtion?
n in that case its cause the GFJ binds to the enzymes that break down the methyl group.... turnin 10mg in to as effective a dose as ~15-20mg.... doesnt it increase the half life as well???Better absorption (of a methylated hormone) would be done with grapefruit juice.
I think it's absorbed in greater amounts and faster. So - you'd get 10 mgs from a 10 mg pill in maybe an hour - instead of 5 mgs and in 2 hours w/o grapefruit juice.n in that case its cause the GFJ binds to the enzymes that break down the methyl group.... turnin 10mg in to as effective a dose as ~15-20mg.... doesnt it increase the half life as well???
Agreed.I for one think this whole idea of trying to make things "stronger more potent" is taking this whole industry in the wrong direction.
One of the most intresting ideas iv'e heard in a long time was Dr.d's idea to use low dose t-4 year long instead of the usual short term t3(more potent) shot gun approach.
If you look at the physiques of the people on this and other boards, those that are at where most of us would like to be have used a long term moderate, consistent, yet progressive approach to reach their current status. not only do they use this approach with eating and training, but also with "augmentation"
we need more mild anabolics at lower doses that will allow us over a period of years not a "month cycle" help to "supplement" a progressive and consistent nutritonal and weight training regimen
Disagree. Whatever is in it, user feedback so far is reporting it to exert no effect whatsoever (no muscle growth, blood pressure spikes, glycogen storage weight gain, etc.). I trust they had good intentions but this stuff (so far) appears to be physiologically inert.i think oxy could be perfet for what i just mentioned, if all goes well
I've been looking for logs and just got into a pissing match with BK over at BB.com.......but this doesn't appear to be working. If it is something like Zol (orastan-e), then it might be interesting but the dosing will have to be upped considerably - and that could be a problem if it is methylated as they claim (which is under dispute).Yes i must admit i am honestly not impressed so far, but i will take this to its end and follow the doses.
I have stated before if this does work as described it really would be all but possible to tell until much further into the regimen. I would like to see someone "extremely" lean run this as "any" increased muscle would be very visible even during the first week or two
To point out a good example I have run orastan-e on two occasions, approximatley a year apart. the one time i was extremely lean and even at the rec doses muscle tissue gains were very apparent. i coulds see striations in my calves torwards the end. the second time i was heavier and ould tell absolutely no effect at all
Damn bro... this stuff sounds pretty bunk I guess... You could run like 100 caps a day, that may work:lol:it has been about 14 days on oxyguno, , no s/s of any anabolic or androgenic activity. no muscle growth, no increased strength, weight is the same, no increased vascularity, no increase in sebum production, scalp feels the same (1-ad Torched my scalp), no "pumps",.. about 6 more days of blue pills left.
I was over there lurking since that thread got started last week. YR I think you did a good job remaining civil and your posts were well articluated and well thought out as always.I've been looking for logs and just got into a pissing match with BK over at BB.com........
Well, some people over at BB.com have reported feeling something after they started taking double doses. Frankly, this spooks me given the unknown nature of the compound and questions about what it actually contains (PA seems to be taking the position that the molecular weight for the compound indicates a dissonance between the contents and the label claims). Stay safe.it has been about 14 days on oxyguno, , no s/s of any anabolic or androgenic activity. no muscle growth, no increased strength, weight is the same, no increased vascularity, no increase in sebum production, scalp feels the same (1-ad Torched my scalp), no "pumps",.. about 6 more days of blue pills left.
based on a tanita bodyfat scale somewhere between 8-11%. unfortunatly i do not have the scale anymore..my brother got married and took it with him two summers ago,,but my BF% has not changed much so i am guessing around 10% +or- 2% have a 6 pack.lanky how low would you say yor bf% is, under the 10% range
Based on my reading, PA seems to think there is some sort of 17 keto, and/or maybe a 1,4 diene structure (dont quote me on that one). though i have not read any logs there today yet..i am about to go check..Well, some people over at BB.com have reported feeling something after they started taking double doses. Frankly, this spooks me given the unknown nature of the compound and questions about what it actually contains (PA seems to be taking the position that the molecular weight for the compound indicates a dissonance between the contents and the label claims). Stay safe.
and we must ask ourselves.........
WHY is PA so damn concerned about this product in the FIRST place!
hmmmmmmmm..............
PA is NOT involved in this. I can 100% guarantee you that. He doesn't get involved with producing Prohormones/designers anymore after whats happened to him. I doubt Ergo will have anymore of these products either but who knows, this could change. He's a marked man and he knows it. He may consult for good friends or business associates but thats about it I would imagine. He may also test products publicly (especially if he dislikes the company ) because he has the resources. However, based on what he has said, I highly doubt that he is involved with producing even the most legal of "prohormones." As you may recall, he was in serious **** over DMT. It was not even a controlled substance. It was still sitting in bottles of PP in supp stores all over the country when he got screwed. Talk about a good guy being made an example of. Who better than the father of the modern day prohormone. From what I can tell, he is also very careful when talking about or dealing with anything designer hormone related. It is a risk he simply does not need to take.and we must ask ourselves.........
WHY is PA so damn concerned about this product in the FIRST place!
hmmmmmmmm..............
like it matters, BK and MM are name dropping like mad over @ BB.com. then say they have no affiliation while fighting their fight for them..... if you wont say it they will even if its just to make a competitor look bad, doing so poorly themselves.*P.S. Dont bother PM'ing me for who they are either. Most of these company founders/owners choose to remain unknown.
and whats with all the talk then about it being heads and tails stronger then their own existing supp hemaguno?? sounds like to me it was just a flat out mistake for them to make so many claims and put things on their labels w/o running alpha/beta testing and batch testing what they got from the bulk for purity before evne running the first batch at least.... plus im still not impressed with them as a company as of yet just cause theyve brought us innovative nothingness... sorry my opinion and slight devils advocate here.:smite:Perhaps it was intended to be a very mild, subtle recomp type thing rather than what we are all used to.
Agreed. Vascularity has improved means nothing. It's too subjective, especially over the course of many weeks, and is often 100% in the mind IMO. The true measure of a compound like this is the movement on the scale.I gotta say, I'm still not convinced. It's gonna take more than one guy with 2 posts saying that vascularity has improved nearly three weeks into the cycle to sell me on this shady product.