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Info: Epistane™ is more than an anti-estrogen, though, as it also binds to androgen receptors in skeletal muscle. As a PRO-Anabolic compound Epistane™ promotes increases in strength and lean body mass with an anabolic/androgenic value (Q ratio) of 12. With most powerful androgens there is a high risk of the natural suppression of the gonads. Epistane™, unlike other PRO-Anabolic compounds that have recently been released, is relatively mild on the gonads and, due to the anti-estrogenic effects and the fact that Epistane™ keeps LH levels elevated, post cycle therapy becomes a breeze. All effects combined make Epistane™ a great compound to produce dry, lean gains in muscle mass with minimal side effects and suppression of the body’s natural androgen production, while lowering the effects of natural estrogen or combating estrogen from endogenous/exogenous sources. This makes it a powerful tool when combined with “wet” compounds in attempt to increase gains and decrease side effects. One can also not overlook the potential benefit of this compound taken alone, especially when recovering from periods of “wet” compounds. If you don’t want to worry about how your lipid and liver values are doing and whether or not you are going to get gynocomastia or not then get Epistane™, stop worrying, and experience what others are raving about!"



After seeing the effects this stuff is havin on Ryansm and him being a big boy i'd like to see what it can do for me when i add it to my current stack. I was thinking of this:


Weeks 1-20 1100mg Andropen (test blend)
Weeks 4-12 40mg Epistane
Week 1-12 300mg Tren Ace
Weeks 1-13 .5mg Cabergoline M/T
Weeks 1-20 200mcg T4
Wees 1-12 40mg Nolvadex (switching to Aromasin or Arimidex after week 12)

I'm currently into week 5 of this cycle and it's a cut but I may just up calories a bit for a month or so to pack on some more meat, i'm 265lbs right now and bf is around 13%. What do you think?
 
Man - sick azz stack.

I might consider Epi the last 6 weeks of the Andropen and 2 after the last shot (assuming that has a similar half-life as test-E or C?).
 
wow that's alot of nolva! why wait for the AI? is it the tren?

are you ok with that recent study on cabergoline's cardiovascular effects?

i would also run the epistane weeks 13-on.

20 weeks at that dosage of test - have you run that before? i hit the wall around week 16-18 and cant make any more gains that arent fat or bloat. also my libido drops late in the cycle...and i tried a bunch of different things to improve it...SHBG droppers, stronger AIs, HCG, etc. what works for you?
 
same_old said:
wow that's alot of nolva! why wait for the AI? is it the tren?

are you ok with that recent study on cabergoline's cardiovascular effects?

i would also run the epistane weeks 13-on.

20 weeks at that dosage of test - have you run that before? i hit the wall around week 16-18 and cant make any more gains that arent fat or bloat. also my libido drops late in the cycle...and i tried a bunch of different things to improve it...SHBG droppers, stronger AIs, HCG, etc. what works for you?
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I'm running the nolvadex as i simply have alot of it and i'm gyno prone, i'm waiting till it's all used up to use the AI, i'm switching to an AI because Nolvadex stresses the liver.

As far as cabergoline goes the doses used in the study that caused the problems were pretty high from what i've read, i'm not worried about .5mg twice a week.

As far as the test and length of my cycle, i'm ONLY running my cycle this long as i'm doing some serious cutting and feel i need to be on this long, normally i stick to 10 weeks tops. So all the gear is to maintain muscle and gains are a plus, the test is amazing i'll be using Andropen again for sure, i may use Proviron instead of an AI to combat the effects of SHGB. I also have a potent pct planned that will include Anabolic Pump and 60 days of IGF-1 :whip:

May I also say that Dr D was right T4 kicks MAJOR ass! I like it ALOT better than T3, no lethargy or muscle loss.
 
jmh80 said:
Man - sick azz stack.

I might consider Epi the last 6 weeks of the Andropen and 2 after the last shot (assuming that has a similar half-life as test-E or C?).
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It would have the half life of the test C i believe.
 
(Leather Azz)Chaps,
Injectable testosterone will lower/not increase SHBG in and of itself.

No need for proviron for that reason.

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jmh80 said:
(Leather Azz)Chaps,
Injectable testosterone will lower/not increase SHBG in and of itself.

No need for proviron for that reason.

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Yes i realize that but when your on a long cycle like mine SHBG will rise so Proviron could be useful, plus you can never have TOO Much free test :woohoo:
 
Ehhh - free testosterone boosting agents are over-rated. The newly released test is metabolized within an hour (will have to dig for the Pubmed study tomorrow).

Why don't you try a long cycle without Proviron and see how it compares to one with it (I'm assuming your prior cycles have had something like proviron included).
 
jmh80 said:
Ehhh - free testosterone boosting agents are over-rated. The newly released test is metabolized within an hour (will have to dig for the Pubmed study tomorrow).

Why don't you try a long cycle without Proviron and see how it compares to one with it (I'm assuming your prior cycles have had something like proviron included).
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I've never done a cycle this long dunno proviron was just a passing thought. I'm only staying on this long as i'm on a longass , LONGGGGG over due diet, i bulked for like 5 years straight, lol So i'm going to get silly lean, that's the goal.
 
i love your cycle man right now im on week 4 of:

1-5 dbol 20/25/25/30/35
1-14 test enanthate @ 840mg

i am about to pick up some T-4 and I was going to run sd to close it out but now im thinking about epistane..what do you think?

As far as T-4 goes, how did you taper it? have you been at 200 since the beginning?
 
Tom 185 said:
i love your cycle man right now im on week 4 of:

1-5 dbol 20/25/25/30/35
1-14 test enanthate @ 840mg

i am about to pick up some T-4 and I was going to run superdrol to close it out but now im thinking about epistane..what do you think?

As far as T-4 goes, how did you taper it? have you been at 200 since the beginning?
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If i were you i'd start a 50mcg and work your way up my 50mcg every 4 days
 
CHAPS said:
If i were you i'd start a 50mcg and work your way up my 50mcg every 4 days
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exactly what i was going to do hah...but u just helped confirm it...thanks! i was also planning on stopping at 200, and only being on for 8-10 weeks
 
Ya you'll like it, i'm at 300mcg right now and i'm enjoying it, i upped calories and i'm recomping nicely.
 
CHAPS said:
Ya you'll like it, i'm at 300mcg right now and i'm enjoying it, i upped calories and i'm recomping nicely.
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keep me posted on how it goes for you, along with the epistane

why are you running the epistane 9 weeks? why not 4-6 weeks?

i doubt i will go above 200mcg on the T-4 as I am an ecto, only 7-8% body fat right now and i wasn't even watching my diet AT ALL for a few months until 4 weeks ago (1 week before my cycle).

I can't decide whether to run epistane or sd to close this out
 
Chaps now I feelbad.Youre going to beat my 7wk run on the Epi. second place is still only 1st loser.:rofl: Good luck with your run man!
 
mmowry said:
Chaps now I feelbad.Youre going to beat my 7wk run on the Epi. second place is still only 1st loser.:rofl: Good luck with your run man!
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i don't think i ever saw a log from you if u did one...

how were your results and what doses did u use the 7 weeks?
 
Tom 185 said:
i don't think i ever saw a log from you if u did one...

how were your results and what doses did u use the 7 weeks?
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On pg4 are my 4wk results @30mg/day.Im on wk5 @40mg/day and its going great!
 
Tom,
I can only conclude you must be blind - Mowrey posted that damn log EVERYWHERE in hopes of more free sh*t from IBE.

Not that I blame him - I'd have done the same damn thing.
 
jmh80 said:
Tom,
I can only conclude you must be blind - Mowrey posted that damn log EVERYWHERE in hopes of more free sh*t from IBE.

Not that I blame him - I'd have done the same damn thing.
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jmh80 when i posted my logs it was out of concern for others who had gyno and it just blossomed from there.There was no alterier motive but free stuff is nice when all you are doing is telling the truth.

And if youre gonna throw my name around like that spell it right :rofl:
 
mmowry said:
Chaps now I feelbad.Youre going to beat my 7wk run on the Epi. second place is still only 1st loser.:rofl: Good luck with your run man!
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I was just looking at your log i like the strength gains, this stuff looks really good.
 
Yeah this stuff is really helping me get back to where I used to be in a hurry!
 
Tom 185 said:
keep me posted on how it goes for you, along with the epistane

why are you running the epistane 9 weeks? why not 4-6 weeks?

i doubt i will go above 200mcg on the T-4 as I am an ecto, only 7-8% body fat right now and i wasn't even watching my diet AT ALL for a few months until 4 weeks ago (1 week before my cycle).

I can't decide whether to run epistane or superdrol to close this out
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I talked to Dr D and was told that he'd run the Epistane or 8 weeks with no problems. Ya you should be good at 200mcg then, i'm an endomorph and need all the help i can get.
 
ok well here is my new and improved cycle outline:

1-15: Test Enanthate @ 840mg
1-5: Dianabol @ 20/25/25/30/30
10-17: Epistane 30/40/40/40/40/40/40/40
5-14: T-4 50/100/150/200/200/200/200/150/100/50

PCT: 18-23 (clomiphene, tamoxifen citrate, atd, retain, massfx, dhea, creatine ethyl ester)
 
CHAPS said:
I talked to Dr D and was told that he'd run the Epistane or 8 weeks with no problems. Ya you should be good at 200mcg then, i'm an endomorph and need all the help i can get.
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I've actually been conversing with a few people about running Epi in a Proviron-like fashion, for the duration of an injectable cycle. If I see enough positive lipid and liver enzyme panels from the Epi testers, I will most likely do it. I cannot imagine it would destroy lipids any further than would Letro/A'Dex, though the hepatoxicity for that long may be of concern.
 
mmowry said:
jmh80 when i posted my logs it was out of concern for others who had gyno and it just blossomed from there.There was no alterier motive but free stuff is nice when all you are doing is telling the truth.

And if youre gonna throw my name around like that spell it right :rofl:
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I know man. Always nice to edjumacate dudes on what works for gyno and what doesn't.


Come to think of it - I've probably never spelled your S/N right - Mowry. It needs an E somewhere....
 
Mulletsoldier said:
I've actually been conversing with a few people about running Epi in a Proviron-like fashion, for the duration of an injectable cycle. If I see enough positive lipid and liver enzyme panels from the Epi testers, I will most likely do it. I cannot imagine it would destroy lipids any further than would Letro/A'Dex, though the hepatoxicity for that long may be of concern.
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Interesting, let me know how it goes
 
mmowry said:
jmh80 when i posted my logs it was out of concern for others who had gyno and it just blossomed from there.There was no alterier motive but free stuff is nice when all you are doing is telling the truth.

And if youre gonna throw my name around like that spell it right :rofl:
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MMowry arent you an IBE rep?
 
I am as of less than a week ago but I wasnt previously.
 
Change of plans, once i run out of test i'll be doing Tren/Masteron/Epistane, once the tren run out (probably 5 weeks or so) i'll just run the Masteron+Epistane, at 600mg for the mast and 40mg for th Epistane. I'm not worried about my sex drive with the Masteron in their and estrogen won't be a concern, i think Masteron+Epistane would make me hard as nails :D, so ya probly 10 weeks for the Masteron and 8 for the Epistane. I"ll keep you all updated ith the progress :).
 
I have done a lot of PHs, including 7 cycles of superdrol typically at 6 wks per. From the get go I have been a big proponent of through post cycle therapy built around Nolva. That all said my question is what do you think of stacking something as mild as MOHN with the epi in a 7 - 8 wk run. Is a mild methyl compatible? It usually takes 3 to 4 wks for the MOHN to kick in for me and then it both increses strength slowly but steadily and also has very positive libido effects as a good side. I have considered starting the MOHN two weeks early (I have run several cycles of 10 - 12+ wks in the past) to get it ramping up.
 
Epistane and Hair Loss

I want to try Epi, but i have a doubt: Can it cause or aggravate hair loss?
 
Staring my Episatane cycle today. Already took 10mg in the a.m and going to take 20mg more before workout! you think sizeon will help with the epistane? Also, can I run another bottle right after this cycle?
 
snakeoil said:
Staring my Episatane cycle today. Already took 10mg in the a.m and going to take 20mg more before workout! you think sizeon will help with the epistane? Also, can I run another bottle right after this cycle?
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1.) Only take 10mg at a time, unless your pissed off at your liver.
2.) Save SizeON until after the cycle to keep more gains.
3.) I'd go for no more than 8 weeks on Epi, and then take PCT + time off. Don't do two cycles in a row.

RR
 
thanks for the good info. 8 weeks at 30mg would be 2 bottles of Epi. when will i start noticing strength gains? Had an OK workout last night, nothing special.
 
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