Tell Us What You Would Like to see From SNS, CEL, Muscle Addiction, & XPG (2024 Edition)

How are the releases of lipoderm/napalm looking now?
REALLY looking forward to running them
Took the words right out of my mouth - I was going to ask the same and am keen to read the write up.

The products themselves are complete and ready to be released.

The only holdup is doing some of the write ups and information for them. We're hoping to have that completed this week.
 
has anyone used GG gold and experienced benefits? i have a bottle

GG-Gold has some good data on it, but its an ingredient that works in the background and isn't something that most people are going to really 'feel'.

I plan on going more into the science of it in the next couple months.
 
I strongly second this.

We very well may be doing a GG-Gold product in the coming months.

I have a great relationship with the company that makes the ingredient and we've talked about doing one for awhile now; we just never had much demand for it. I think that its a good ingredient and good for a lot of different things. I don't think of it as a bodybuilding ingredient, I view it more as a good general health and healthy aging ingredient that may have some good properties that may help people with fitness goals.
 
We very well may be doing a GG-Gold product in the coming months.

I have a great relationship with the company that makes the ingredient and we've talked about doing one for awhile now; we just never had much demand for it. I think that its a good ingredient and good for a lot of different things. I don't think of it as a bodybuilding ingredient, I view it more as a good general health and healthy aging ingredient that may have some good properties that may help people with fitness goals.
my guess is that consumers are underdosing it due to cost
 
my guess is that consumers are underdosing it due to cost

What makes you think that consumers are under dosing it?
(Not saying they are or aren't, just curious what makes you think so).

I think a lot of people just don't know about it or understand it.
 
i see some health guru's advocating 450mg/day. im sure the average reviewer on amazon is taking 150mg/day. it looks like some people are reporting pronounced reduction in muscle soreness and improvements in energy.it would be interesting if that was due to hormonal improvement, but it is also used to offset statin coq10 suppression and that crowd also has low energy and muscle soreness/cramping.
 
i see some health guru's advocating 450mg/day. im sure the average reviewer on amazon is taking 150mg/day. it looks like some people are reporting pronounced reduction in muscle soreness and improvements in energy.it would be interesting if that was due to hormonal improvement, but it is also used to offset statin coq10 suppression and that crowd also has low energy and muscle soreness/cramping.

Most of what I've seen is based on 300 mg. per day. There are some that are no doubt going with 150 mg. per day due to price. I

I had thought about doing a 300 mg. one, but the problem there of course is the people wanting to do 450 mg. per day couldn't bc of the math on that. But I'm figuring 300 mg. is the high end dose most are going to do anyway.

Some people may feel an increase in energy, but I would say that's an added bonus and that if someone doesn't, it doesn't mean its not working. It's just not something that everyone is going to feel.

I do find the statin coq10 suppression interesting and I think a lot of the coq10 boosting aspects of it are interesting.
 
We are in process of finalizing the new products that we plan to offer over the next 12 to 18 months. We have a lot of things happening and a lot of it takes some very detailed planning. We of course may can still slip in new things here and there, but we have a ton of things we are working on finalizing and scheduling.

If anyone has anything they would really like to see us offer, now's the time to let me know.

I always like to try my best to provide the things that people want, and now would be a good time to mention them.
Well, may not be flashy or innovative, but I'm still hoping for your releases of:

Protein
EAA/Carb intra
Multi (think this was discussed, but not sure you ever said whether you'd do one or not)

Again, for me it's more about being able to get quality from a company I trust, where I know the pricing will also be decent.
Your gut will love you.

That's exactly my thought - AstraGin has studies on 100 mg.+ for gut health with more studies ongoing.

A lot of people using Glutamine for gut health are using 20 to 30 grams - so that would be 100 mg. to 150 mg. AstraGin.

So in addition to it helping with the absorption, it would also be complementing the gut health aspects :)
I'd be interested in a gut health product, probably more a digestive enzymes + probiotic type though.
 
Is there still an all-in-one daily staple/anabolic slated for release?
 
Is there still an all-in-one daily staple/anabolic slated for release?

I'm not sure if I know which one you're referring to.

Do you mean like an all in one product that would cover a lot of different health categories, similar to combining a lot of the condition/issue specific products all into one product?

If so, I had thought about it but hadn't really had much feedback as to whether people would really be interested in it.

I had a formula designed for something like that, but its a very comprehensive formula and would either need to be a powder or would be at least 12 capsules per day.
 
Well, may not be flashy or innovative, but I'm still hoping for your releases of:

Protein
EAA/Carb intra
Multi (think this was discussed, but not sure you ever said whether you'd do one or not)

Again, for me it's more about being able to get quality from a company I trust, where I know the pricing will also be decent. I'd be interested in a gut health product, probably more a digestive enzymes + probiotic type though.

Thank you.

The multi-vitamin formula is finalized and we just placed a PO for it last week. The label is being worked on now.

The SNS EAA/Intra we have several flavor samples approved. The problem is they are the creative ones and still trying to get a couple basic flavors right like Blue Raspberry and Lemon Lime. I have samples here to try on those and hopefully will finalize soon. I'd like this to be out before new year.

There is a CEL EAA/Intra formula that is a very premium formula and is very creative and will have things that have never been combined together in an EAA/Intra before. We hope to have flavor samples on it within 2 weeks.

Neither of the EAA's will have carbs though. I personally like the idea of adding carbs to them, but honestly carb based EAA's don't sell well. They'll be easy to add carbs to for someone that wants to, and if they sell well, maybe we can add a carb version later on.

The protein flavor samples we had done are excellent. The reason we held off on that was right after we had them done, protein prices went through the roof. They've normalized a bit and I'd like to do one as soon as we can. We just have cashflow tied up in so many things at the moment, a couple of in process things need to get finished up first.

Gut health wise, the plan is to do 2 products - one that would be more of a biotic formula and then one that would be more of a complete gut health formula and have extra ingredients to help with digestion, gut inflammation, etc.
 
Sleep Support XT we plan to launch this week.

Mood Support XT we plan to likely launch next week.

I'm really glad to hear that you're enjoying Mood Support XT.

Pm me and I'll be glad to let you buy another bottle or however many you'd like.
Nice! I'm looking forward to trying Sleep Support XT. It's so hard to find a good sleep formula without melatonin.
 
There is a CEL EAA/Intra formula that is a very premium formula and is very creative and will have things that have never been combined together in an EAA/Intra before. We hope to have flavor samples on it within 2 weeks.

uniqueness and creativity is why we all love SNS/CEL :)
 
We have some really cool things in the works.

There will always be new things that come along, but after the wave in process over the next 6 to 12 months, there really won't be any category that I can think of that we won't have covered.
 
I'm not sure if I know which one you're referring to.

Do you mean like an all in one product that would cover a lot of different health categories, similar to combining a lot of the condition/issue specific products all into one product?

If so, I had thought about it but hadn't really had much feedback as to whether people would really be interested in it.

I had a formula designed for something like that, but its a very comprehensive formula and would either need to be a powder or would be at least 12 capsules per day.
Daily ergogenic. In the same category that Ergo9 and Tr1umph fell in.
 
Daily ergogenic. In the same category that Ergo9 and Tr1umph fell in.

Ah, threw me off when you had said anabolic. I'd had some people ask me to do do a daily health supplement for comprehensive system health for anabolic users that would be like taking Kidney Assist XT, Liver Assist XT, Cardiovascular Support XT, Blood Pressure Support XT, and more all in one.

Daily Gains is the name of the product that you're referring to and it is in production process now.

Focus XT, Energized Aminos, and Daily Gains are all in the production process phase now.
 
Is CEL’s “Nattybolic” still in the works?

Yes. I've reworked that formula several times. What it originally was going to be is coming out under a different product name by the end of the year.

What the Nattybolic formula wound up being, it should be launched by end of year or possibly a New Years release. We wound up having to wait a bit for a new branded ingredient to be available that I thought would be great for the formula.
 
i see some health guru's advocating 450mg/day. im sure the average reviewer on amazon is taking 150mg/day. it looks like some people are reporting pronounced reduction in muscle soreness and improvements in energy.it would be interesting if that was due to hormonal improvement, but it is also used to offset statin coq10 suppression and that crowd also has low energy and muscle soreness/cramping.
I've been taking 300mg GeranylGeraniol daily for 4 months and it anecdotally reversed my gray hairs (45 male). I made no other supplement or diet changes in that time. I'm also on 10mg Rosuvastatin which was the primary reason I started taking it and my libido increased as well so it may have a hormonal impact.
 
Thank you.

The multi-vitamin formula is finalized and we just placed a PO for it last week. The label is being worked on now.

The SNS EAA/Intra we have several flavor samples approved. The problem is they are the creative ones and still trying to get a couple basic flavors right like Blue Raspberry and Lemon Lime. I have samples here to try on those and hopefully will finalize soon. I'd like this to be out before new year.

There is a CEL EAA/Intra formula that is a very premium formula and is very creative and will have things that have never been combined together in an EAA/Intra before. We hope to have flavor samples on it within 2 weeks.

Neither of the EAA's will have carbs though. I personally like the idea of adding carbs to them, but honestly carb based EAA's don't sell well. They'll be easy to add carbs to for someone that wants to, and if they sell well, maybe we can add a carb version later on.

The protein flavor samples we had done are excellent. The reason we held off on that was right after we had them done, protein prices went through the roof. They've normalized a bit and I'd like to do one as soon as we can. We just have cashflow tied up in so many things at the moment, a couple of in process things need to get finished up first.

Gut health wise, the plan is to do 2 products - one that would be more of a biotic formula and then one that would be more of a complete gut health formula and have extra ingredients to help with digestion, gut inflammation, etc.

TBH, if you did a limited release of the SNS or CEL EAA even with just one or two unique flavors, I bet you could sell them to all of us on here!

Either way, looking forward to all of the above!
 
TBH, if you did a limited release of the SNS or CEL EAA even with just one or two unique flavors, I bet you could sell them to all of us on here!

Either way, looking forward to all of the above!

For the SNS EAA, we have Watermelon, Pink Grapefruit, and Grape Limeade approved. We are working on getting Blue Raspberry and Lemon Lime the way I want them.

For the CEL EAA's, I requested a variety of flavor samples. I'll probably only start with the best 2 flavors out of those because its going to be a very high end premium product and with things like that, you always run the risk of whether they will actually sell well.

We have a lot of cool things in the works.
 
For the SNS EAA, we have Watermelon, Pink Grapefruit, and Grape Limeade approved. We are working on getting Blue Raspberry and Lemon Lime the way I want them.

For the CEL EAA's, I requested a variety of flavor samples. I'll probably only start with the best 2 flavors out of those because its going to be a very high end premium product and with things like that, you always run the risk of whether they will actually sell well.

We have a lot of cool things in the works.

Pink Grapefruit EAA's would be amazing. Love the OMG from Innova but a straight grapefruit is more my liking. HYPED!
 
anyone have any insight into the Panmol B vitamin complex. Ive yet to see a b complex that claimed to be from food that didnt just have isolated b vitamins added to it. if it is legit, it would be great in the multi. probably bs since how do you get b12 from a grain
 
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I’m stoked for Mood XT. It’s been the primary reason for me checking AM lately!

I assume it will be great, but you could also look into a CEL version for 2025. It seems like there’s a lot of innovative new ingredients and extracts coming out in this category and you could easily have as many mood products as you have top of the line anabolics!
 
anyone have any insight into the Panmol B vitamin complex. Ive yet to see a b complex that claimed to be from food that didnt just have isolated b vitamins added to it. if it is legit, it would be great in the multi. probably bs since how do you get b12 from a grain

Quinoa does have naturally occurring B Vitamins in it, but at very, very low percentages.

That would line up with what you see with Panmol products because you'll see that it requires 2 capsules to provide a very trivial amount of B Vitamins, which would indicate that there is likely a very high input dose (total powder dose) to provide a very minimal active ingredient dose.

The dosage of B Vitamin in that is extremely low.

I would do one for people that wanted it if there were enough people that wanted it, but I doubt I would use it in anything because the dosage is so low for the B Vitamin content and the price is so high. That would be charging people 2x to 5x as much for a much lower dosed product.

I definitely wouldn't use it in our multi - because our multi is very complete and uses very specific forms of a lot of things and will have a sliding scale dosage based on whether you're looking for a super high potency multi, a high potency multi, or a regular daily multi. And the dosage of B Vitamins in Panmol is so low that it wouldn't even cover the lowest possible dosage in it.

I appreciate the question though. Always good to talk about ideas.
 
You tease.

All flavors are in production and some of the flavors I like better this time.

There will also be a new caffeine free flavor and 2 new regular flavors due out shortly after these arrive back in stock.
 
I’m stoked for Mood XT. It’s been the primary reason for me checking AM lately!

I assume it will be great, but you could also look into a CEL version for 2025. It seems like there’s a lot of innovative new ingredients and extracts coming out in this category and you could easily have as many mood products as you have top of the line anabolics!

Thank you.

We are actually getting ready to start teasing the formula any day now.

Sleep Support XT is getting ready to launch and there will be kind of an ingredient reveal countdown to the launch of Mood Support XT.

You're welcome to pm me if you're interested in getting a bottle early.

I'm always open to new ingredients and new ideas. This formula is very comprehensive and tackles mood from several different angles.
 
Quinoa does have naturally occurring B Vitamins in it, but at very, very low percentages.

That would line up with what you see with Panmol products because you'll see that it requires 2 capsules to provide a very trivial amount of B Vitamins, which would indicate that there is likely a very high input dose (total powder dose) to provide a very minimal active ingredient dose.

The dosage of B Vitamin in that is extremely low.

I would do one for people that wanted it if there were enough people that wanted it, but I doubt I would use it in anything because the dosage is so low for the B Vitamin content and the price is so high. That would be charging people 2x to 5x as much for a much lower dosed product.

I definitely wouldn't use it in our multi - because our multi is very complete and uses very specific forms of a lot of things and will have a sliding scale dosage based on whether you're looking for a super high potency multi, a high potency multi, or a regular daily multi. And the dosage of B Vitamins in Panmol is so low that it wouldn't even cover the lowest possible dosage in it.

I appreciate the question though. Always good to talk about ideas.
i wrote the company. there was a reviewer who claims swanson told her it had cyanacobalamin in it. remember, megafoods had low dose b vitamins in theirs too, it was just that it had low doses of sythetic b vitamins and if the consumer wants to believe that "foodstate" is what it sounds like, while megafoods brags about being all natural, so be it.
 
i wrote the company. there was a reviewer who claims swanson told her it had cyanacobalamin in it. remember, megafoods had low dose b vitamins in theirs too, it was just that it had low doses of sythetic b vitamins and if the consumer wants to believe that "foodstate" is what it sounds like, while megafoods brags about being all natural, so be it.

I could only speculate as to why someone at Swanson would have said that, but no one answering the phones at Swanson or replying to emails isn't going to have any proprietary type information other than what's on the product labels or spec sheet.

Swanson is a huge company and most of the people answering the phones or replying to customer service emails are not going to know a lot, if anything, about the products.

For example, if someone emailed them and asked if it had cyanocobalamin or methylcobalamin, it would be logical for them to assume that since it doesn't say methylcobalamin, that it could be cyanocobalamin bc you don't have to specify cyanocobalamin whereas you're supposed to specify if its methylcobalamin.

I'm not defending the company at all bc its not an ingredient I would use personally anyway, just providing context for how sometimes things can happen with companies.

A good example here - there are times people will email my office manager product related questions. She doesn't know a lot about the product science and its not her job to. Her job is to process wholesale orders, invoices, and to help customers with issues relating to their tracking and shipping or other order related questions. I always tell her that if she receives any science related or technical questions to forward those emails to me. Most people are respectful, but some people are pushy and they will continue to try to get her to answer their questions even after she explains that she forwarded it to someone who can better help them. There have been times where she has gave in and attempted to answer questions that she shouldn't have - and sometimes its resulted in situations where the people that pushed her to answer the questions got mad that they got an incorrect answer, when the truth is that they should have respected the honest answer when she told them she didn't know the answer and would forward their email to someone or have someone call them back that could better answer them rather than push her to try to answer a question that she's already said she isn't sure about and then get mad.

I'm just giving that as an example of things that all companies go through. And I would imagine its worse with Swanson bc they started as a catalog company and a lot of their staff is just order takers.

As for the ingredient, it's distributed here in the US by a company that is super strict about what they will distribute, so it likely is what its supposed to be - but the dosage of the B Vitamins is just so low that its not something I'd bother using personally.
 
I’m very excited for you Steve! I am wanting to try Focus XT when it comes back out. I may be the only forum member who never tried it. Excited to see what rolls out over the coming months.
 
I’m very excited for you Steve! I am wanting to try Focus XT when it comes back out. I may be the only forum member who never tried it. Excited to see what rolls out over the coming months.
I went through 45-50 tubs when it was reformulated.
 
I could only speculate as to why someone at Swanson would have said that, but no one answering the phones at Swanson or replying to emails isn't going to have any proprietary type information other than what's on the product labels or spec sheet.

Swanson is a huge company and most of the people answering the phones or replying to customer service emails are not going to know a lot, if anything, about the products.

For example, if someone emailed them and asked if it had cyanocobalamin or methylcobalamin, it would be logical for them to assume that since it doesn't say methylcobalamin, that it could be cyanocobalamin bc you don't have to specify cyanocobalamin whereas you're supposed to specify if its methylcobalamin.

I'm not defending the company at all bc its not an ingredient I would use personally anyway, just providing context for how sometimes things can happen with companies.

A good example here - there are times people will email my office manager product related questions. She doesn't know a lot about the product science and its not her job to. Her job is to process wholesale orders, invoices, and to help customers with issues relating to their tracking and shipping or other order related questions. I always tell her that if she receives any science related or technical questions to forward those emails to me. Most people are respectful, but some people are pushy and they will continue to try to get her to answer their questions even after she explains that she forwarded it to someone who can better help them. There have been times where she has gave in and attempted to answer questions that she shouldn't have - and sometimes its resulted in situations where the people that pushed her to answer the questions got mad that they got an incorrect answer, when the truth is that they should have respected the honest answer when she told them she didn't know the answer and would forward their email to someone or have someone call them back that could better answer them rather than push her to try to answer a question that she's already said she isn't sure about and then get mad.

I'm just giving that as an example of things that all companies go through. And I would imagine its worse with Swanson bc they started as a catalog company and a lot of their staff is just order takers.

As for the ingredient, it's distributed here in the US by a company that is super strict about what they will distribute, so it likely is what its supposed to be - but the dosage of the B Vitamins is just so low that its not something I'd bother using personally.
point taken on the claim about swanson. If you havent seen an issue with it other than the necessarily low dose, im going to try it. ive been looking for an all coenzymated b complex that doesnt have benfotiamine in it and this may contain legit coenzyme A. i think youre dead on in it lacking therapeutic value at those levels, but they may be enough to prevent deficiency for a lifter
 
point taken on the claim about swanson. If you havent seen an issue with it other than the necessarily low dose, im going to try it. ive been looking for an all coenzymated b complex that doesnt have benfotiamine in it and this may contain legit coenzyme A. i think youre dead on in it lacking therapeutic value at those levels, but they may be enough to prevent deficiency for a lifter

I want to make sure you understood me correctly - I didn't say they were good forms of b vitamins. Just bc something uses all natural forms doesn't mean they use the best forms.

I'm saying that I think it is what it says it is, but I don't think its necessarily the best types of B vitamins or dosed high enough to really make any difference.

Interesting that you want to avoid Benfotiamine when that is a lot more popular than Panmol. There's no right or wrong with this stuff, just surprised by that bc its an ingredient that is gaining a lot in popularity and has studies on it for a lot of things.
 
I’m very excited for you Steve! I am wanting to try Focus XT when it comes back out. I may be the only forum member who never tried it. Excited to see what rolls out over the coming months.

Thank you. I really appreciate it.

I'm excited to be having both Focus XT and Energized Aminos back in stock soon.

And then Daily Gains will be out shortly after that.

Then we hope to have a hydration product and an EAA out by the end of the year too.

We will have a very unique EAA under CEL, but I'm not sure a timeframe - trying to rush it but it mainly depends on flavor samples and we hope to get the first round of those this coming week.
 
I want to make sure you understood me correctly - I didn't say they were good forms of b vitamins. Just bc something uses all natural forms doesn't mean they use the best forms.

I'm saying that I think it is what it says it is, but I don't think its necessarily the best types of B vitamins or dosed high enough to really make any difference.

Interesting that you want to avoid Benfotiamine when that is a lot more popular than Panmol. There's no right or wrong with this stuff, just surprised by that bc its an ingredient that is gaining a lot in popularity and has studies on it for a lot of things.

I believe i get a pretty aweful reaction from benfotiamine. Ive read reviews and seen it is something that happens to other people as well with that as well, but by and large it is a synthetic analogue that most people enjoy. I can take thiamine pyrophosphate or hcl all day without any issues
 
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Any word on your Bone Morphogenitic Protein type product?

We had been waiting on a particular branded ingredient that I knew was going to be released to become available, and we just got the go ahead from the branded ingredient company week before last. Labels done, PO's in, and hoping to have it available within 12 weeks.
 
We had been waiting on a particular branded ingredient that I knew was going to be released to become available, and we just got the go ahead from the branded ingredient company week before last. Labels done, PO's in, and hoping to have it available within 12 weeks.

Nice! I'm pretty sure this one is going to be a game changer!!! Looking foward to it!
 
In this case, stress relief, well being. Libido benefits would be a bonus.

Both can be helpful for stress and mood and different people may respond differently.

As a general observation, Sensoril tends to be better for dealing with stress and anxiety better, and KSM-66 tends to be a bit better for mood uplifting.

SNS Stress & Anxiety Support is very popular and we use Sensoril in that.

And we plan to start doing the ingredient reveals this week on Mood Support XT.
 
Both can be helpful for stress and mood and different people may respond differently.

As a general observation, Sensoril tends to be better for dealing with stress and anxiety better, and KSM-66 tends to be a bit better for mood uplifting.

SNS Stress & Anxiety Support is very popular and we use Sensoril in that.

And we plan to start doing the ingredient reveals this week on Mood Support XT.

Any update on the ETA of Mood support? Next couple weeks?
 
Is there a powdered sleep supplement in the works?

My go-to has always been Glaxon Tranquility but that brand seems to be phasing out. I know capsule products are being offered by SNS, but I do look forward to having something to drink before bed.
 
Any update on the ETA of Mood support? Next couple weeks?

The plan is to release it next week. If you would like some prior to, message me and I'll be glad to help.
 
Is there a powdered sleep supplement in the works?

My go-to has always been Glaxon Tranquility but that brand seems to be phasing out. I know capsule products are being offered by SNS, but I do look forward to having something to drink before bed.

I have had a powdered sleep supplement designed for some time and a nighttime anabolic sleep supplement designed for CEL for some time, but we really haven't had much demand for it. It's something I'd be glad to do if enough people are interested.

For the SNS one, if we do one, I would probably do one flavor with melatonin and one flavor without.
 
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