Classic Kleen - The Road To Competition Fall 2024

One of my employees drove a geo metro that wouldn't go in reverse for like 6 years and got around 50mpg lol. (my buddy with the 500lb squat). he'd just push the car when he needed to back out of a parking spot. Drove it from Seattle to Texas like that. super economical and you get free sled pushes every time you start it.
 
Dang Chris! That really sucks about the car stuff! Maybe the insurance will be willing to work with you and/or give you the option to not total it! So glad y’all are both okay and they weren’t worse. Just so frustrating for sure though!!
Thanks Kat, great to hear from you.
How bad off is your wife’s car? I didn’t get a chance to read through all the posts yet but wanted to throw this out there.
If they do total it and pay you off the value, a lot of times you can buy it back for literally nothing. I did this to one of my campers that insurance totaled. Fixed the things that needed it rest was cosmetic. Especially if she was to take your car and you drive it. Just a thought but obviously I don’t know how bad of condition it’s in. I will catch up on all the posts tonight.
Honestly from what i can see the damage is not too bad, but the agent told us it would likely be totaled which doesn't really make sense. It is a decent dent in the rear driver side quarter panel right in front of the back tire, but it is not like OMG or anything. The wheel took the brunt of the hit and Jo said it kind of had a wobble to it when she drove it home which I believe is likely just a bent rim but I don't know if it messed up the suspension or axle or anything. I have definitely already been contemplating buying it back if they don't want to fix it. We have zero intention of ever selling it so even if it had a salvage title it would be fine.
My car isn’t expensive, but I really don’t consider it a beater. It has some hail damage, but the paint and interior are in truly great shape, no appreciable wear, and everything works as factory. All of it! The exhaust is quiet, it has no rust despite being an IL car, it is clean. It was well cared for by my mother, then later my little sister, before I bought it.

I have had beaters, but this is not that - not even a little bit. You might be surprised by what you can find, especially if she also prefers smaller cars like I do, like the Z.

I don’t want to diminish your scenario - just to give you some hope! The used market has been improving again.
Oh no diminishment at all. Definitely wasn't referring to your car as a beater but most things I could buy with what i expect to get would be a huge step down from the Flex which has all the bells and whistles. So was referring more to the drop in quality / poshness as a beater, and not an actual beater. I would like to think I have owned my last actual beater long ago. LMAO! It is great to hear that the used car market is going back down. It was so ridiculous a little while back I had to look really hard for Sage's Jeep to find one that was in decent shape for a reasonable price.

Good news is after checking the bluebook value on the Z I am actually pretty surprised with how much they are saying it is worth on Kelly Blue Book. More than anything seeing it in the 10,000-12000 range for private sale and 9-10000 for trade in value leaves me a lot more hope that they will just fix it. In my humble opinion there is nowhere near half of the worth of the car in damage judging from the dent and the wheel I am guessing 2000-3000 for what I see, and then if there is any damage to the suspension from the wheel taking the hit it would go up from there. I don't know what the cut off is for them totaling it but I am at least a bit more hopeful.

On another note, when it rains it pours, I think I might have broken a piece of my brake pad when I hit that guy while locked up. All of the sudden out of nowhere on the way in to work my right front brake started grinding. I am contemplating taking the day or at least morning off tomorrow to replace the pad and possibly have the rotor spun. If too bad I will just drop another pad on there for the time being and order a new rotor. I roll my windows down about once a week while driving down my parking garage and listen for noises like brake wear indicators, popping, clicking since everything echoes in there it is easier to hear. I hadn't heard anything so I assume this is resulting from the collision same as my back pain since it happened.

To finish this off on a good note, today is the first day not waking up with pain and tightness around my ribs and erectors. As much as I didn't want to I took one last day yesterday to let it heal and rest. I wanted to push it but thought about coaches words. We need to be as close to 100% when we start prep, we don't want to be nursing things from pushing when we should have been recovering. So I just took another walk last evening and today I am actually feeling a lot better. Deep breaths don't hurt or feel like they are pulling at my ribs, so I am happy with that.

I have kept up with my cardio and am also doing a step challenge right now with a goal of 10,000 steps a day. I did over 12,000 yesterday. I even got out in the sun at lunch to get me some natural vitamin D.
 
Sorry to hear about the car man. Hoping it turns in to something better!
I am trying not to get too hopeful but I am feeling a little more positive right now.
One of my employees drove a geo metro that wouldn't go in reverse for like 6 years and got around 50mpg lol. (my buddy with the 500lb squat). he'd just push the car when he needed to back out of a parking spot. Drove it from Seattle to Texas like that. super economical and you get free sled pushes every time you start it.
Now this sounds like the type of beaters i used to drive. When I was broke and irresponsible back in the day I had a rotating account with a place called Cash For Cars, I would go buy beaters he got for next to nothing at the lot for like 200 a month and drive them until they broke, if he couldn't fix it he would just give me another car from the lot and i would keep making payments. Sometimes I would have the car a year sometimes a month and a half. At least half did not have AC, and all were what you would consider a beater but i did get an MGB from him that was something he bought as a project for himself then his health went bad. It was awesome and I drove it for like 2 years. That thing was so fun and got so much attention. I could do donuts in that thing in such small and tight areas, it was so fun to drive and always got attention. It looked just like this but had some sun fading on it when I got it but I used some restoring product and compound rub and shined it up real nice. Was a torquey little thing too!

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Yeah that 10k is more what I expected; I was like there’s no way they can’t get a clean functional ride for 8g.

Sub-4g is where it gets tough.

One of my employees drove a geo metro that wouldn't go in reverse for like 6 years and got around 50mpg lol. (my buddy with the 500lb squat). he'd just push the car when he needed to back out of a parking spot. Drove it from Seattle to Texas like that. super economical and you get free sled pushes every time you start it.

Lol now THAT is a beater! Well-played, sir…
 
Yeah that 10k is more what I expected; I was like there’s no way they can’t get a clean functional ride for 8g.

Sub-4g is where it gets tough.



Lol now THAT is a beater! Well-played, sir…
Yeah, right now they have just done pictures and I am waiting to hear from them if they want to do a full in person which with the minimal damage visible I sure hope they intend to have done. Really annoyed the guy marked it was undriveable considering she drove it home from downtown. I am sure if he didn't mark it that way we would not even be hearing the words totaled being mentioned.

I did not end up lifting last week. I started to do some chest work and things went very poorly, so I took the rest of the week off and during check ins coach mentioned I might not want to do the elliptical at all either if it was even remotely bothering me which it was. So probably another couple days. I think this will work out better anyway since I am going to go get bloodwork Thursday or that is my plan anyway. Might as well have a clean slate and not have killed my muscles before going to get the bloodwork.
 
Yeah, right now they have just done pictures and I am waiting to hear from them if they want to do a full in person which with the minimal damage visible I sure hope they intend to have done. Really annoyed the guy marked it was undriveable considering she drove it home from downtown. I am sure if he didn't mark it that way we would not even be hearing the words totaled being mentioned.

I did not end up lifting last week. I started to do some chest work and things went very poorly, so I took the rest of the week off and during check ins coach mentioned I might not want to do the elliptical at all either if it was even remotely bothering me which it was. So probably another couple days. I think this will work out better anyway since I am going to go get bloodwork Thursday or that is my plan anyway. Might as well have a clean slate and not have killed my muscles before going to get the bloodwork.
Hoping for a positive turnout for the situation! Sounds like a good call on a week off. You been pushing hard and then add this stress and all. This a 3 month check? I have lost track of time. I was reminded yesterday just 3 more months and my little son will be here 😅 where does time go!
 
Hoping for a positive turnout for the situation! Sounds like a good call on a week off. You been pushing hard and then add this stress and all. This a 3 month check? I have lost track of time. I was reminded yesterday just 3 more months and my little son will be here 😅 where does time go!
I am feeling more positive, and if we do need to find another car I actually found some 2012-2014 370Z Roadsters that look to be in very good shape, and are well within the budget if we want to replace the car. If we did that we would likely drop a decent down payment finance for what looks like a long term loan then pay everything but the last 2 grand off and then pay that down at the normal payment until I stop paying for coaching and then the money for coaching can be rerouted to pay the rest off within a year. Then she still gets something she loves, and it is even an upgrade without breaking the bank. It isn't the most budget friendly option we could take, but it is a very doable option. I got her the 350 as a gift, and I want to try to replace it with something she loves just as much if possible.

We are just waiting for the insurance company which is annoying because any other time the car would have already been at the shop by now. How are you going to raise rates ridiculously but offer worse service. This fool marking the car undriveable has really slowed everything to a crawl...

I definitely feel like things are healing up with the time off. Many of the other little aches I had before the accident are subsiding, so I think I will be in a much better place to kick off prep after this week. Plus, I am itching to get back under the weight.
 
We are just waiting for the insurance company which is annoying because any other time the car would have already been at the shop by now. How are you going to raise rates ridiculously but offer worse service. This fool marking the car undriveable has really slowed everything to a crawl...

I have a friend who thinks insurance should be illegal. I'm starting to come around and understand his perspective a bit.

I definitely feel like things are healing up with the time off. Many of the other little aches I had before the accident are subsiding, so I think I will be in a much better place to kick off prep after this week. Plus, I am itching to get back under the weight.

I was going to ask, during your off week did you adjust calories down a bit?
 
I have a friend who thinks insurance should be illegal. I'm starting to come around and understand his perspective a bit.



I was going to ask, during your off week did you adjust calories down a bit?
I think how they conduct themselves should be illegal for sure. Once they turned it int the massive profit margin machine that it is now it is pretty much a scam. They basically charge the dependable to cover for everyone else it is like a socialist government running that crap. All of you people share debt, while we here at the top enjoy all of the good your money provides...

He did not tell me to but there have been a couple days I ate a little less just because I hadn't done much at all that day. Then one day I got sick, and lost a meal then didn't eat my last one since I wasn't feeling well. I think I ate some slightly old chicken that morning. One of those, I think this should still be good type of things. WRONG!!!
 
Yeah, insurance companies really do border on criminal. And if you miss payments they will cancel quick, but when they have to fix something it’s amazing how slow they can be. And they really do total cars way to often now, and in the long run that really just costs everyone more.
Glad you’re feeling better physically… hopefully you can get back to it next week.
 
Yeah, insurance companies really do border on criminal. And if you miss payments they will cancel quick, but when they have to fix something it’s amazing how slow they can be. And they really do total cars way to often now, and in the long run that really just costs everyone more.
Glad you’re feeling better physically… hopefully you can get back to it next week.
Oh I have no doubts I will be training next week. I am actually feeling pretty good, my lower back is probably the best it has been in 2 months from the rest. I think what I may do if all goes to plan is do a push session Thursday after I do my brakes and have done my blood work. Then hit lower body Friday, and a Pull session on Saturday. Keep things a bit lighter and go for volume and pump on that one to test the waters. Then pick back up Monday with my full on training.
My truck is still mangled from getting hit Jan 23rd 😒 "it's a parts problem"
Yeah, my car ended up in the shop for almost a month over parts availability. Ended up giving up on new and having to order a 2nd hand driveshaft if i didn't want to wait for months. Obviously not an option for an insurance job, but you would think they could custom order something made if they have had since January...
 
my wife tells people she needs to go through the fridge and make sure she gets rid of expired food before I eat it lol
Yeah, I would be smart to put a date on my bags of chicken. Occasionally the making of them overlap and I will grab one that looks a bit different and wonder, was this from part of last weeks prep? Occasionally it is... and sometimes it bites me back.
 
Great news! They are not totaling the car, so we will only be out the $1000 dollar deductible. That is some of the best news I have gotten recently. Very happy there will not be any payments required other than the 1000 for the deductible. WOOHOO Celebration time!
 
I have a friend who thinks insurance should be illegal. I'm starting to come around and understand his perspective a bit.



I was going to ask, during your off week did you adjust calories down a bit?

Insurance is racketeering. Change my mind???
 
Oh I have no doubts I will be training next week. I am actually feeling pretty good, my lower back is probably the best it has been in 2 months from the rest. I think what I may do if all goes to plan is do a push session Thursday after I do my brakes and have done my blood work. Then hit lower body Friday, and a Pull session on Saturday. Keep things a bit lighter and go for volume and pump on that one to test the waters. Then pick back up Monday with my full on training.
Yeah, my car ended up in the shop for almost a month over parts availability. Ended up giving up on new and having to order a 2nd hand driveshaft if i didn't want to wait for months. Obviously not an option for an insurance job, but you would think they could custom order something made if they have had since January...

All that recovery will be a blessing. I bet your next session is going to be a disgustingly pumped banger!
 
Great news! They are not totaling the car, so we will only be out the $1000 dollar deductible. That is some of the best news I have gotten recently. Very happy there will not be any payments required other than the 1000 for the deductible. WOOHOO Celebration time!
right on!
 
All that recovery will be a blessing. I bet your next session is going to be a disgustingly pumped banger!
Yeah, I expect a massive pump, with all the carbs and not burning through a lot of them my glycogen stores should be pretty full and ready to swell me the hell up!
 
it's starting to feel like @SkRaw85 s thread did for a while in here, time to start seeing some logs soon!!
You will get one for tomorrow, I am feeling great today! I am ready to rock and roll, just waiting to do my bloodwork before I push things so I can get some true readings. Feeling fresh and ready to kill some shiz!
 
You will get one for tomorrow, I am feeling great today! I am ready to rock and roll, just waiting to do my bloodwork before I push things so I can get some true readings. Feeling fresh and ready to kill some shiz!
Glad to hear they aren’t totaling the car and you are healed up! Time to move some weight hellllll yeahhhhhh !!!
 
Glad to hear they aren’t totaling the car and you are healed up! Time to move some weight hellllll yeahhhhhh !!!
Relieved to read the news about your car mate!

Looking good in the progress pics!
Thank you Gentlemen!

I did a good feeler full body push session Friday, and am doing a feeler pull session today. Everything held up yesterday, and my chest and shoulders got a little sore. I am looking forward to seeing how everything holds up today after a pull session then will be kicking things right back up in intensity and volume. I am going to start some of the worrisome areas with 3 straight sets instead of failure for a couple sessions probably limiting effort to right around 2RIR. Make sure form stays at all times and I am not pushing so hard that aggravation of these areas is overly likely.

We started Prep this week, decent size caloric drop here. Mostly by cutting a lot of fats back out of the diet.

Previous Daily Macros:
Calories - 4114 - Macros - 445g Carb, 300g Protein, 126g Fat

New Daily Macros:
Calories - 3581 - Macros - 438g Carb, 293g Protein, 73g Fat

Other changes
- Cardio goes from 25x5 a week to 30x5 a week.

This is my current bloodwork as of 4/11/24. All in all not that bad many of the things I expected to still see up are up. Some of the other stuff is so good I am very surprised. I am not overly worried about the higher creatinine levels, relatively common for me, and the EGFR improved over the last month but the one here in the metabolic section is not the one I am looking to read off of. I did the cystatin c to get a more accurate EGFR reading. I will make a few comments as I go through. However I am pretty sure some of this does put me off from starting the push with gear for a few more weeks. Going with the coach's decisions here.

TSH is high and out of range, this means my metabolism is running a little slow right now. I know being on gear raises this number so maybe just a matter of time. I will also look into some ways to boost this. Possibly add some real cranberry juice, and more iodized salt to my diet. I had been wondering if only using Himalayan Sea Salt would lower levels. Not sure if that is the case but if iodine levels are lower that could also have something to do with that.

HCT is a little high but I warned coach this will not dip below 50 on 210mg of testosterone a week. So not sure what his intentions will be here.

Platelets are a little low, and MPV is just a touch out of range, curious if this has anything to do with the baby aspirin or the fact I donated a few weeks back.



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My Cystatin C is only .01 out of range, but eGFR is in range which is good. Uric Acid and all urine analysis looks good feeling confident to move on. I was half expecting to see things looking worse here.


These are the best lipids I have seen in years for me. Look at that HDL, that is pretty good for me especially after having been on 600-1200mg of gear from Oct 1- March 23rdish with only 3 weeks down at 200mg of test. I am very impressed with that.

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All in all I am pretty happy with the blood work as mentioned it has been a long run and blood work has looked pretty good throughout. Between the diet, and the consistent cardio it makes sense, but I am impressed with the numbers anyway. I am looking forward to stopping my statins after the prep to see if I even need them any more as long as I maintain cardio, healthy diet, and leanness.

Here are some shots of the reversal point after a total gain of 26.8 lbs @221.2 lbs!!! Not too bad after a down week from injury.
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Prep time, let's GOOO!! the 1k cal decrease is probably going to be a shocker to your system, so good luck there. But you added some real decent mass. So can't wait to see what prep does for you!
 
Prep time, let's GOOO!! the 1k cal decrease is probably going to be a shocker to your system, so good luck there. But you added some real decent mass. So can't wait to see what prep does for you!
Yeah, it is more like a 600 calorie drop, but still my body should definitely respond to that drop. I have been ready for the cut for a while now so happy to be getting a decrease in calories. However overall food volume is not really dropping here so much as cutting out a lot of olive oil. I imagine I will be happy with the decrease for at least the first 6-8 weeks then will probably start missing being fed but by that point I think I will be seeing enough changes that they will motivate me even further. Then once I fall in love with the process and continuous positive feedback of getting leaner things will just get better and better until the suck takes over but then it is already almost done by then.
 
With an eGFR that low even with cystatin C, I would not touch Tren. Not over something like 10mg/day purely for glucocorticoid inhibition. If you can’t get stage ready on test & mast with Winny and some halo besides that, then so be it.
 
Thank you Gentlemen!

I did a good feeler full body push session Friday, and am doing a feeler pull session today. Everything held up yesterday, and my chest and shoulders got a little sore. I am looking forward to seeing how everything holds up today after a pull session then will be kicking things right back up in intensity and volume. I am going to start some of the worrisome areas with 3 straight sets instead of failure for a couple sessions probably limiting effort to right around 2RIR. Make sure form stays at all times and I am not pushing so hard that aggravation of these areas is overly likely.

We started Prep this week, decent size caloric drop here. Mostly by cutting a lot of fats back out of the diet.

Previous Daily Macros:
Calories - 4114 - Macros - 445g Carb, 300g Protein, 126g Fat

New Daily Macros:
Calories - 3581 - Macros - 438g Carb, 293g Protein, 73g Fat

Other changes
- Cardio goes from 25x5 a week to 30x5 a week.

This is my current bloodwork as of 4/11/24. All in all not that bad many of the things I expected to still see up are up. Some of the other stuff is so good I am very surprised. I am not overly worried about the higher creatinine levels, relatively common for me, and the EGFR improved over the last month but the one here in the metabolic section is not the one I am looking to read off of. I did the cystatin c to get a more accurate EGFR reading. I will make a few comments as I go through. However I am pretty sure some of this does put me off from starting the push with gear for a few more weeks. Going with the coach's decisions here.

TSH is high and out of range, this means my metabolism is running a little slow right now. I know being on gear raises this number so maybe just a matter of time. I will also look into some ways to boost this. Possibly add some real cranberry juice, and more iodized salt to my diet. I had been wondering if only using Himalayan Sea Salt would lower levels. Not sure if that is the case but if iodine levels are lower that could also have something to do with that.

HCT is a little high but I warned coach this will not dip below 50 on 210mg of testosterone a week. So not sure what his intentions will be here.

Platelets are a little low, and MPV is just a touch out of range, curious if this has anything to do with the baby aspirin or the fact I donated a few weeks back.



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My Cystatin C is only .01 out of range, but eGFR is in range which is good. Uric Acid and all urine analysis looks good feeling confident to move on. I was half expecting to see things looking worse here.


These are the best lipids I have seen in years for me. Look at that HDL, that is pretty good for me especially after having been on 600-1200mg of gear from Oct 1- March 23rdish with only 3 weeks down at 200mg of test. I am very impressed with that.

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All in all I am pretty happy with the blood work as mentioned it has been a long run and blood work has looked pretty good throughout. Between the diet, and the consistent cardio it makes sense, but I am impressed with the numbers anyway. I am looking forward to stopping my statins after the prep to see if I even need them any more as long as I maintain cardio, healthy diet, and leanness.

Here are some shots of the reversal point after a total gain of 26.8 lbs @221.2 lbs!!! Not too bad after a down week from injury.
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It’s always a good sign when you end your bulk, going into your cut, and still have abs.
Awesome job Kleen, even with the setbacks.💪
 
With an eGFR that low even with cystatin C, I would not touch Tren. Not over something like 10mg/day purely for glucocorticoid inhibition. If you can’t get stage ready on test & mast with Winny and some halo besides that, then so be it.
Good looking out, I was looking forward to your feedback regarding the Cystatin C test. I need to read up a bit more on tren and kidney function. Since I was never really that interested in running it due to the temperament issues I haven't really super educated myself on it, and why it would be worse on the kidneys than other compounds. I will go have a look and educate myself on that a bit more. I imagine he will be able to bring me in with a good package tren or no tren.
It’s always a good sign when you end your bulk, going into your cut, and still have abs.
Awesome job Kleen, even with the setbacks.💪
Thanks you Sir! We made it, and did pretty good even with having to drop doses from 1200mg down to 800mg a week during the final push instead of increasing it. Does kind of make me wonder where we would have ended up if we hadn't had to drop and were able to push up further instead.

Either way, I am really looking forward to cutting weight back down and getting ripped AF!!!
 
Thank you Gentlemen!

I did a good feeler full body push session Friday, and am doing a feeler pull session today. Everything held up yesterday, and my chest and shoulders got a little sore. I am looking forward to seeing how everything holds up today after a pull session then will be kicking things right back up in intensity and volume. I am going to start some of the worrisome areas with 3 straight sets instead of failure for a couple sessions probably limiting effort to right around 2RIR. Make sure form stays at all times and I am not pushing so hard that aggravation of these areas is overly likely.

We started Prep this week, decent size caloric drop here. Mostly by cutting a lot of fats back out of the diet.

Previous Daily Macros:
Calories - 4114 - Macros - 445g Carb, 300g Protein, 126g Fat

New Daily Macros:
Calories - 3581 - Macros - 438g Carb, 293g Protein, 73g Fat

Other changes
- Cardio goes from 25x5 a week to 30x5 a week.

This is my current bloodwork as of 4/11/24. All in all not that bad many of the things I expected to still see up are up. Some of the other stuff is so good I am very surprised. I am not overly worried about the higher creatinine levels, relatively common for me, and the EGFR improved over the last month but the one here in the metabolic section is not the one I am looking to read off of. I did the cystatin c to get a more accurate EGFR reading. I will make a few comments as I go through. However I am pretty sure some of this does put me off from starting the push with gear for a few more weeks. Going with the coach's decisions here.

TSH is high and out of range, this means my metabolism is running a little slow right now. I know being on gear raises this number so maybe just a matter of time. I will also look into some ways to boost this. Possibly add some real cranberry juice, and more iodized salt to my diet. I had been wondering if only using Himalayan Sea Salt would lower levels. Not sure if that is the case but if iodine levels are lower that could also have something to do with that.

HCT is a little high but I warned coach this will not dip below 50 on 210mg of testosterone a week. So not sure what his intentions will be here.

Platelets are a little low, and MPV is just a touch out of range, curious if this has anything to do with the baby aspirin or the fact I donated a few weeks back.



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My Cystatin C is only .01 out of range, but eGFR is in range which is good. Uric Acid and all urine analysis looks good feeling confident to move on. I was half expecting to see things looking worse here.


These are the best lipids I have seen in years for me. Look at that HDL, that is pretty good for me especially after having been on 600-1200mg of gear from Oct 1- March 23rdish with only 3 weeks down at 200mg of test. I am very impressed with that.

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All in all I am pretty happy with the blood work as mentioned it has been a long run and blood work has looked pretty good throughout. Between the diet, and the consistent cardio it makes sense, but I am impressed with the numbers anyway. I am looking forward to stopping my statins after the prep to see if I even need them any more as long as I maintain cardio, healthy diet, and leanness.

Here are some shots of the reversal point after a total gain of 26.8 lbs @221.2 lbs!!! Not too bad after a down week from injury.
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Incredible work! You have been working so hard and man it shows big time!
 
Good looking out, I was looking forward to your feedback regarding the Cystatin C test. I need to read up a bit more on tren and kidney function. Since I was never really that interested in running it due to the temperament issues I haven't really super educated myself on it, and why it would be worse on the kidneys than other compounds. I will go have a look and educate myself on that a bit more. I imagine he will be able to bring me in with a good package tren or no tren.

Thanks you Sir! We made it, and did pretty good even with having to drop doses from 1200mg down to 800mg a week during the final push instead of increasing it. Does kind of make me wonder where we would have ended up if we hadn't had to drop and were able to push up further instead.

Either way, I am really looking forward to cutting weight back down and getting ripped AF!!!

Modern preps by and large are varying amounts and esters of test & mast and/or primo. The details are athlete and coach response and preference.

Then some Tren last 4-8 weeks and/or dry orals last 4-6. Or sometimes rarely DHB in lieu of Tren, but if DHB is giving you knots that’s going to make for a poor look on stage and inability to flex/pose optimally.

A lot of coaches who don’t use Tren to finish will go with just Winny or some combo of Winny, Var, Proviron, and/or Halo. Sometimes Superdrol is an option in the mix.

I would have said Winny and Var, because Var is the only other AAS besides Tren that really inhibits the glucocorticoid receptor similarly, but it’s primarily metabolized by the kidneys so in your case it actually doesn’t make sense.

I don’t know why Tren can be hard on kidneys, possibly how hard it is on BP?

But on test & mast, with Proviron last 6 weeks and Winstrol last 4, maybe also Halo last 2, you should be able to get hard as nails if you’re truly conditioned.
 
With an eGFR that low even with cystatin C, I would not touch Tren. Not over something like 10mg/day purely for glucocorticoid inhibition. If you can’t get stage ready on test & mast with Winny and some halo besides that, then so be it.
Do you think his eGFR number would improve after a few weeks on lower cals?
 
Thank you Gentlemen!

I did a good feeler full body push session Friday, and am doing a feeler pull session today. Everything held up yesterday, and my chest and shoulders got a little sore. I am looking forward to seeing how everything holds up today after a pull session then will be kicking things right back up in intensity and volume. I am going to start some of the worrisome areas with 3 straight sets instead of failure for a couple sessions probably limiting effort to right around 2RIR. Make sure form stays at all times and I am not pushing so hard that aggravation of these areas is overly likely.

We started Prep this week, decent size caloric drop here. Mostly by cutting a lot of fats back out of the diet.

Previous Daily Macros:
Calories - 4114 - Macros - 445g Carb, 300g Protein, 126g Fat

New Daily Macros:
Calories - 3581 - Macros - 438g Carb, 293g Protein, 73g Fat

Other changes
- Cardio goes from 25x5 a week to 30x5 a week.

This is my current bloodwork as of 4/11/24. All in all not that bad many of the things I expected to still see up are up. Some of the other stuff is so good I am very surprised. I am not overly worried about the higher creatinine levels, relatively common for me, and the EGFR improved over the last month but the one here in the metabolic section is not the one I am looking to read off of. I did the cystatin c to get a more accurate EGFR reading. I will make a few comments as I go through. However I am pretty sure some of this does put me off from starting the push with gear for a few more weeks. Going with the coach's decisions here.

TSH is high and out of range, this means my metabolism is running a little slow right now. I know being on gear raises this number so maybe just a matter of time. I will also look into some ways to boost this. Possibly add some real cranberry juice, and more iodized salt to my diet. I had been wondering if only using Himalayan Sea Salt would lower levels. Not sure if that is the case but if iodine levels are lower that could also have something to do with that.

HCT is a little high but I warned coach this will not dip below 50 on 210mg of testosterone a week. So not sure what his intentions will be here.

Platelets are a little low, and MPV is just a touch out of range, curious if this has anything to do with the baby aspirin or the fact I donated a few weeks back.



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My Cystatin C is only .01 out of range, but eGFR is in range which is good. Uric Acid and all urine analysis looks good feeling confident to move on. I was half expecting to see things looking worse here.


These are the best lipids I have seen in years for me. Look at that HDL, that is pretty good for me especially after having been on 600-1200mg of gear from Oct 1- March 23rdish with only 3 weeks down at 200mg of test. I am very impressed with that.

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All in all I am pretty happy with the blood work as mentioned it has been a long run and blood work has looked pretty good throughout. Between the diet, and the consistent cardio it makes sense, but I am impressed with the numbers anyway. I am looking forward to stopping my statins after the prep to see if I even need them any more as long as I maintain cardio, healthy diet, and leanness.

Here are some shots of the reversal point after a total gain of 26.8 lbs @221.2 lbs!!! Not too bad after a down week from injury.
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Looking good mate! Bloodwork is pretty good for a blast too!
 
Do you think his eGFR number would improve after a few weeks on lower cals?

Cystatin C isn’t going to increase or decrease based on caloric load. Protein intake certainly doesn’t. That’s not a value you should expect to ever come down - so if his glomular filtration is actually only 61 based on that, then that’s probably what he’s got to make it with for the rest of his life (assuming no further decrease in function).

That’s what I mean when I say, I would be very cautious about what I put into my body at that point. And I would be monitoring bp religiously when changes are made to ensure that stays controlled.

@MrKleen73 are you taking Astragalus? Definitely want to add that in if not, although I thought you were already on it. Good, cheap support.
 
Modern preps by and large are varying amounts and esters of test & mast and/or primo. The details are athlete and coach response and preference.

Then some Tren last 4-8 weeks and/or dry orals last 4-6. Or sometimes rarely DHB in lieu of Tren, but if DHB is giving you knots that’s going to make for a poor look on stage and inability to flex/pose optimally.

A lot of coaches who don’t use Tren to finish will go with just Winny or some combo of Winny, Var, Proviron, and/or Halo. Sometimes Superdrol is an option in the mix.

I would have said Winny and Var, because Var is the only other AAS besides Tren that really inhibits the glucocorticoid receptor similarly, but it’s primarily metabolized by the kidneys so in your case it actually doesn’t make sense.

I don’t know why Tren can be hard on kidneys, possibly how hard it is on BP?

But on test & mast, with Proviron last 6 weeks and Winstrol last 4, maybe also Halo last 2, you should be able to get hard as nails if you’re truly conditioned.

Thats what I was under the impression of. The constant elevated BP just working, taxing and stressing the kidney beans. Work tax stress. Tren mimics American life!
 
I wrote out replies to everyone last night and apparently didn't hit post. Thanks for the compliments. As far as tren and the kidneys, the higher BP it causes seems to be the culprit when i looked up why it was so hard on the kidney. I didn't find anything like it being processed specifically by the kidneys or anything. Just the mentions of high BP.

Coach said we can do the prep without tren, or just run it extremely low but sounds like we will more than likely bump the orals up a little bit to get the same effects.

I did my cardio yesterday, but for some reason my knee was hurting from the time I woke up until I got off work. So I decided to hold off on working legs and let the inflammation or whatever shake out. It is feeling better today so going to do some legs at the gym across the street. Nothing crazy just get some volume and blood pumping, test the leg out and see if it is willing to play today.
 
So one of the things with my bloodwork I am a little perplexed with is my TSH being so high at a time we were pushing calories. Why metabolism would be downregulating at 4200 calories doesn't really make sense even with me having been on so long it is a little surprising to me and my coach. I considered possibly I need to increase my iodine intake. I have not been salting with iodized salt, been using mostly Himalayan salt, so do you all think I could have just gradually ran through iodine stores after so long without really using iodized salt? If so I could easily replace some of the carbs from morning meal with a couple oz of 100% pure Cranberry juice to get a big jolt of iodine in the morning, and then maybe do half of my sodium intake via iodized salt instead of the Himalayan.

Does anyone have any specific supps they might suggest for metabolism health? Coach told me to look at Revive's line up to see if they have a metabolism product, which I found one but he has no experience with it either. It looks to be relatively cheap but will be a pain in the arse to use for metabolism specifically. They suggest putting one drop of it in an oil carrier and injecting that into a capsule to take twice a day. I wonder if i could just inject it into one of my fish capsules right before taking it or something. Otherwise I might just put a drop of it into a 1/4tsp of olive oil and swallow it or something.

Anyway, looking for suggestions on something to increase metabolism and lower TSH if anyone has any suggestions. Kind of crazy to think how well cardio is going and then to think metabolism is running slow for some reason. Definitely not something you want going into a cut. This is the first time my TSH has ever been out of range but to be fair I have never run gear for 20+ weeks straight either.
 
It’s probably the extended gear use. Did you look at your T4 and T3 levels? You don’t really have the whole picture just with TSH, just conjecture that it should be lower when bulking and higher when cutting.

I take a ~2oz shot of pure Cranberry juice every morning I am training (3 days per week). If I wasn’t fasting the other mornings, I would just take 1oz daily - that’s plenty for daily use.

As an enhanced athlete, you should be taking Selenium every morning to support the thyroid’s deiodinase enzymes. You take androgens it turns things up, so it’s understandable you in turn need more substrate for all processes (more calories, more minerals, vitamins, choline etc). I take Swanson 200mcg first thing every day, after my Nattokinase.

Most of the year I also take 250mg of CEL TUDCA (or 500 sometimes later in blast) at the same time. You don’t need much of it, but it facilitates D2 deiodinase expression, which in turn increases intracellular T3 expression. I got both that and the Selenium from Alex Kikel - taking it in the morning supports a healthy nighttime cascade taking place.

TLDR; I take a shot of cranberry any morning I’m not fasting, and I take a cap of selenium and CEL TUDCA daily first thing.
 
This is great information! Thanks @Hyde! I do have some CEL TUDCA I was saving for when I got on orals I can throw into the mix. I will order some selenium, and go pick up some cranberry juice. See what happens.

My bloodwork did not have any T3 tests, but here is what it said for my T4 levels, down at the bottom of the range, so I am sure not optimal.
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@Hyde, did you see any reason to take more astralagus than the 2g in Kidney Support XT?

I worked legs yesterday at the gym across the street. I was precautious and didn't kill myself with intensity on the leg press. Went for TUT and volume there instead.

Leg Press Machine - 220x10, 280x10, 340x10, 380x10, 380x10, 380x10, 380x10, 380x10 - The last 3 sets were hars, and the last 2 sets were grinders on the last several reps.

DB Walking Lunges - 40x8, 40x8

Leg Curls - 100x20, 110x15, 120x10, 90x17

Leg Extensions 90x20, 100x15, 100x15, 100x12


My legs are not sore yet, but they definitely are tired / feel heavy. So I know the session did the trick.
 
DB Walking Lunges - 40x8, 40x8

are you running these in a front rack / clean position or farmers carry style?
I've been thinking about bringing lunges back in on my lower day to break up the monotony of my habitual machine use post deads/squats and maybe get some better adductor glute engagement.
 
@Hyde, did you see any reason to take more astralagus than the 2g in Kidney Support XT?

The dose for Astragalus specifically for kidney support/restoration starts at 3-4g daily. Some people have used much higher. I always use at least 3g/day on blast, and most of the year. That’s why the dose is such as it is with the full dose of Kidney Support. All of those ingredients will realize more efficacy at the full dose as listed.

For you, I would pick up some Swanson Astragalus root when you order your Selenium. Add 3 caps of that along with your half serving of Kidney Support XT to get the Astragalus up.

Although I think you are mad if you go on blast with those values and don’t bump it up to run the full dose. Kidneys going to be the thing that takes you out of the game if there’s anything that could. You have to keep them supported and BP controlled. Those ingredients help with both when administered over 2 doses/day.
 
are you running these in a front rack / clean position or farmers carry style?
I've been thinking about bringing lunges back in on my lower day to break up the monotony of my habitual machine use post deads/squats and maybe get some better adductor glute engagement.
I do them like a Farmer Carry, and I only use my front leg to come out of the hole, I literally pick my rear foot off the ground as soon as I start to the way up. It really gets the glute / ham tie in and my adductors pretty nocely and quads always get toasty.
The dose for Astragalus specifically for kidney support/restoration starts at 3-4g daily. Some people have used much higher. I always use at least 3g/day on blast, and most of the year. That’s why the dose is such as it is with the full dose of Kidney Support. All of those ingredients will realize more efficacy at the full dose as listed.

For you, I would pick up some Swanson Astragalus root when you order your Selenium. Add 3 caps of that along with your half serving of Kidney Support XT to get the Astragalus up.

Although I think you are mad if you go on blast with those values and don’t bump it up to run the full dose. Kidneys going to be the thing that takes you out of the game if there’s anything that could. You have to keep them supported and BP controlled. Those ingredients help with both when administered over 2 doses/day.
Ah Makes sense, I obviously made a mistake with the dosing on the Kidney XT, which explains a lot. I didn't realize I was running half a dose at 6 caps a day. I will definitely bump this... Damn it Man, that makes a lot of sense... I read somewhere it was 6 caps but didn't realize that was for multiple doses. Feeling a bit dumb over that one. So I have been half protected the entire time I was running my blast... No wonder things aren't looking so great. I will take 6 more tonight when i get home then switch to 3-4 doses throughout the day. Looks like I will be buying another 3 or 6 pack of this stuff if they have a sale for Memorial Day. Thanks for always taking time to explain things thoroughly @Hyde. It is the details that can save a person sometimes. Hopefully increasing the dose will help things improve or at a minimum not get any worse.
 
I do them like a Farmer Carry, and I only use my front leg to come out of the hole, I literally pick my rear foot off the ground as soon as I start to the way up. It really gets the glute / ham tie in and my adductors pretty nocely and quads always get toasty.

i ran some today in front rack position but it was a bit "stretchy" on the knee cap. I haven't really done "functional" leg work in so long I need to ease back into that rom I think... but doing things like that is showing me where I've neglected certain work.
 
I do them like a Farmer Carry, and I only use my front leg to come out of the hole, I literally pick my rear foot off the ground as soon as I start to the way up. It really gets the glute / ham tie in and my adductors pretty nocely and quads always get toasty.

Ah Makes sense, I obviously made a mistake with the dosing on the Kidney XT, which explains a lot. I didn't realize I was running half a dose at 6 caps a day. I will definitely bump this... Damn it Man, that makes a lot of sense... I read somewhere it was 6 caps but didn't realize that was for multiple doses. Feeling a bit dumb over that one. So I have been half protected the entire time I was running my blast... No wonder things aren't looking so great. I will take 6 more tonight when i get home then switch to 3-4 doses throughout the day. Looks like I will be buying another 3 or 6 pack of this stuff if they have a sale for Memorial Day. Thanks for always taking time to explain things thoroughly @Hyde. It is the details that can save a person sometimes. Hopefully increasing the dose will help things improve or at a minimum not get any worse.

2 doses x6 caps is what you want. I believe that’s the optimal dosing, compared to 1 or 3x. But in a pinch, all at once is better than nothing. Get them all in daily is the golden rule for support.

I had lower urea and creatinine on my last bloods than I’ve seen in a decade after using full dose Kidney Support XT for months straight.
 
Awesome hopefully I will see some better results at the full dose. I imagine I will. What an oversight... Oh well I am sure the half dose was better than nothing. :)

Thanks again for all of the advice and guidance!
 
Awesome hopefully I will see some better results at the full dose. I imagine I will. What an oversight... Oh well I am sure the half dose was better than nothing. :)

Thanks again for all of the advice and guidance!

It was, for sure.

I want to see you keep your health, and hopefully accomplish your goals too!
 
It was, for sure.

I want to see you keep your health, and hopefully accomplish your goals too!
I have sat down and started to reply / update the thread several times now but I keep getting pulled every which way and forgot to finish. Things are a bit hectic at work, and lots of busy body nonsense going on at home. So I haven't really had much time outside of work, sleep, training and eating to do anything else.

Things are going well, lower back has recovered decently, I do have to be careful with it but the good news is I am able to train most things with very high intensity.

Calories dropped again this week so in 2 weeks we went from 4200 to 3581 to 3358 expecting to see some drop off the coming week or two. Interestingly enough my bodyweight has gone up this week. I have weighed in at a fasted 224lbs the last 2 mornings which is surprising.

Resting Heart Rate and BP are lowering as well. RHR 60, BP 125/75. Really hoping my next bloods come back in at an acceptable level to get things going again on the gear front.

Had a great chest and biceps session yesterday. Been eating and drinking to fuel my training after work. Really looking forward to working my legs today.
 
I have sat down and started to reply / update the thread several times now but I keep getting pulled every which way and forgot to finish. Things are a bit hectic at work, and lots of busy body nonsense going on at home. So I haven't really had much time outside of work, sleep, training and eating to do anything else.

Things are going well, lower back has recovered decently, I do have to be careful with it but the good news is I am able to train most things with very high intensity.

Calories dropped again this week so in 2 weeks we went from 4200 to 3581 to 3358 expecting to see some drop off the coming week or two. Interestingly enough my bodyweight has gone up this week. I have weighed in at a fasted 224lbs the last 2 mornings which is surprising.

Resting Heart Rate and BP are lowering as well. RHR 60, BP 125/75. Really hoping my next bloods come back in at an acceptable level to get things going again on the gear front.

Had a great chest and biceps session yesterday. Been eating and drinking to fuel my training after work. Really looking forward to working my legs today.

I hope bloods are good for you too, and training is great.

Took my bp yesterday and we’re basically twinning lol - 124/73 and pulse of 56.
 
Glad to hear things are going well, been waiting for an update!!

your lower weight higher volume hypertrophy work has been on my mind a lot lately.
 
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