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Classic Kleen - The Road To Competition Fall 2024

gphagan1 said:
That’s a good session…..looks like a good hypertrophy bodybuilding style workout. And I wouldn’t expect with that new style of execution, like you said, for your strength to be where it used to be, but I bet as you progress your body is going to respond to it really well. Touching on the Ab cramps, yeah those probably are the most brutal, and when your ab muscles cramp up and start moving it always reminded me of the movie Alien too, like you said.
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Yeah ab cramps are brutal but I have actually had a calf cramp so bad once the muscles split apart in them and made a deep divot that almost went to the bone. I couldn't get my ankle to bend even trying to put all of my weight on it. Just basically fell when I tried to get off the spin bike. The instructor stopped the class to try and help me it was so bad. had two people help me out of the spin room and sit me on a bench so I could try to get it relax which took like 15 minutes before i could stand back up without it cramping again. I have never seen a calf do anything like that before. It was so intense I thought the muscle was going to rip itself.
 
Also, yes I agree, this will definitely bring on some growth. I overshot on some of the movements but will get the hang of it all pretty quickly. This one was probably a little higher on the intensity scale than intended but it sure was fun. I was grunting, growling and giving it my all during the sets and grinning like a fool in between because I love pushing this hard. However now I know when to go to partials with the effort so I don't ever lose form and risk injury.
 
Mikereyn513 said:
Oh yea that'll do it for sure.
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Yeah, it for sure had something to do with it. I wouldn't be surprised if I had knocked back a 25mg old school mini thin or two before that spinning class too. It was around the time that you could get it at any convenience store for $4.95 a bottle. It was the true unabashed version. I remember abusing that stuff. One time me and 4 of my buddies decided we were going to see someone 20 miles away the next day. Our car broke down that night so we decided to walk there because we are all going somewhere together in the morning. We thought it would be a good idea to take 4 of them each to have energy for the walk. Somewhere along the way my balls started aching so bad it felt like someone had just kicked me in the nuts. That ache lasted almost the rest of the night. I was tugging on them and squeezing them, anything to get it to let up just a little.
UGH.... I abused ephedrine, and then ephedrine abused me!!!
 
I’ve heard of some masters lifters resetting their PRs every 5 years…40, 45, 50. It gets a little silly trying to compare yourself to numbers done 10+ years ago when all of your recoverability was easier. Especially if you were heavier then and won’t ever be now again.
 
Hyde said:
I’ve heard of some masters lifters resetting their PRs every 5 years…40, 45, 50. It gets a little silly trying to compare yourself to numbers done 10+ years ago when all of your recoverability was easier. Especially if you were heavier then and won’t ever be now again.
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Yeah, since I stopped pushing the strength training all of my previous PR's are useless to me now. Honestly even now i don't care too much about the weight I am using. It's more about the feel and the effort.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Yeah, since I stopped pushing the strength training all of my previous PR's are useless to me now. Honestly even now i don't care too much about the weight I am using. It's more about the feel and the effort.
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The PR you’re after is going to be a physique development achievement.
 
Hyde said:
The PR you’re after is going to be a physique development achievement.
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Precisely, The PR is hopefully a contest winning physique, if not them at least my best physique ever. After having looked at a lot of the winners over the last 2 years in these shows I feel I have a pretty good chance in both the 35 and over and the over 50. Of course as always, it just depends on who shows up that day. I have a relatively classic frame, the classic leg sweep and v-taper, long lats, and even with no waist, I have a pretty good X frame because I have narrow hips.
 
11/9/23 Macros - I missed some fats here. I am going to go buy a bottle to take some olive oil to work with me since he wants it peppered in throughout the day.
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11/10/23 - Fasted Weight 198.8 - I have hit this a couple times recently. I am thinking we are right around maintenance.

Back & Hamstrings (Friday)

Friday, Nov 10, 2023

Seated Leg Curl (Machine)

"3 partials to 20 on set 4"

Set 1: 70 lbs x 20
Set 2: 75 lbs x 15
Set 3: 85 lbs x 10
Set 4: 55 lbs x 17

Rack Pull

"Erectors kind of cramped, strained at 3rir directions said neutral spine mine didn't agree and needed more of an arch.

Set 1: 365 lbs x 7 - This set bit me, both sides of my erectors in the same spot just tweaked almost like a cramp and both sides are still tight right now. I will be doing some stretching of the area today to keep blood flow up. Will probably also opt for the recumbent bike for my cardio today. Let that loosen things up a bit.

Arsenal Wide Grip Pronated Chest Supported Row - This is the rowing bench they have the puts you over at 90 degrees. Pretty awesome contraption. Bar weight is not added here because I have no idea how much that specific bar that goes with it weighs but it isn't light.
"Start at 40 next time"

Set 1: 30 lbs x 8
Set 2: 30 lbs x 8
Set 3: 40 lbs x 8 - 40 was very challenging and would have gotten me to failure if I started with it.

Bent Over Row (Dumbbell)
"4 partials on last set to get to 20"

Set 1: 45 lbs x 20
Set 2: 45 lbs x 16 - These were brutal, but did the trick.

Pullover (Machine) - 3 attempt Rest Pause - goal was 12 max I got 19, so I need to go up.

Set 1: 115 lbs x 12
RP Set 2: 115 lbs x 4
RP Set 3: 115 lbs x 3 - I was cooked after these.

@hevyapp

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My back is still tight from the rack pull. I have issues with rack pulls. He said to start with the bar a couple inches above the knees but my arms are so long that left me with like 3 inches of ROM which felt useless. I went down to the next rung which was exactly at the top of my kneecap and that was a bit better but me trying to figure out how he wanted my back positioned instead of bracing in my normal position caused it to pull or round or something. I am just going to let it ride today without any anti-inflammatories to see if it can heal up on it's own. I don't want to shortcut the healing process stopping inflammation too early.
 
whether or not you're planning on ever having size or strength PR's again, and regardless of competition, you've built a shredded beach ready physique that isn't gonna get F'd with by the average street mugger IMO. that's something you're still going to be able to carry for a while.

being strong is great, but being built in a way that is useful to society and intimidating to would be assailants is life goals.
 
Dustin07 said:
whether or not you're planning on ever having size or strength PR's again, and regardless of competition, you've built a shredded beach ready physique that isn't gonna get F'd with by the average street mugger IMO. that's something you're still going to be able to carry for a while.

being strong is great, but being built in a way that is useful to society and intimidating to would be assailants is life goals.
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Thanks man, some steep compliments there. I can't wait to see how far this goes. First getting down to where I have no hanging fat is going to be very impressive looking. Then to rebound back up after, I am pretty excited about it.

Yeah, remember my strangler story from one of my last trips. I feel like homeboy would have tried something if he didn't see me as a potential danger to him. Definitely don't present as prey!
 
MrKleen73 said:
Thanks man, some steep compliments there. I can't wait to see how far this goes. First getting down to where I have no hanging fat is going to be very impressive looking. Then to rebound back up after, I am pretty excited about it.

Yeah, remember my strangler story from one of my last trips. I feel like homeboy would have tried something if he didn't see me as a potential danger to him. Definitely don't present as prey!
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That was one of the creepiest encounters I still remember it.

wanted to add for your back, to help out, some of the horse liniment that you can get at most farm/ranch stores. Think I remember you talking about using it before if I remember right.
 
akboom87 said:
That was one of the creepiest encounters I still remember it.

wanted to add for your back, to help out, some of the horse liniment that you can get at most farm/ranch stores. Think I remember you talking about using it before if I remember right.
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Good looking out!

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11/11/23 - Fasted Weight 197.6 - Alright 2nd week in and at some weight basically. Coach cut some calories so we can start the actual cutting! Here goes the ride boys and girls.

My back is still very tender, not like injured tender, but unhappy tender. I was still able to get in a great workout this afternoon and am really enjoying the program.

Arms (Saturday)
Saturday, Nov 11, 2023 at 11:04am

SA Triceps Rope Extension - 20, 15, 10, 20 - complete reps only listed sets completed with partials.
Set 1: 40 lbs x 17
Set 2: 40 lbs x 15
Set 3: 50 lbs x 9
Set 4: 30 lbs x 18

Triceps Kickback (Dumbbell) 3x12 - complete reps only listed sets completed with partials.
Set 1: 15 lbs x 12
Set 2: 15 lbs x 11
Set 3: 15 lbs x 10

EZ Bar Skullcrusher - 15, 12, 8 - complete reps only listed sets completed with partials.
Set 1: 55 lbs x 15
Set 2: 55 lbs x 10
Set 3: 55 lbs x 7

Diamond Push Up - Each set to complete failure
Set 1: 10 reps
Set 2: 7 reps
Set 3: 5 reps

Single Arm Preacher Curl - 3x10 - last set +2 partials
Set 1: 25 lbs x 10
Set 2: 25 lbs x 10
Set 3: 25 lbs x 6

EZ Bar Biceps Curl
"Set 1 too much 2 partials for 12 total, set 2 +1 partial, set 3 +1 partial start at 40 next time."
Set 1: 50 lbs x 10
Set 2: 40 lbs x 12
Set 3: 40 lbs x 8

This was a hell of a session. I had a massive pump and was looking beefy!

Here are a couple shots from my check in this morning to give an idea of where I am at. I am tightening up, I can tell by the loose skin getting more wrinkles as things tighten up. Even with a couple weeks of hair growth I feel there is a noticeable difference from me at the same weight 2 weeks ago.

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As mentioned coach cut some calories this week so we should start seeing some more obvious changes as we go since I am already decently lean.

I am donating blood this week in Rocket's honor then going to order my labs for the following week once everything has had a chance to stabilize so I can give them to my coach. Right now he said we stick to this dose until we have blood work and know I am healthy enough to move forward. I respect that, and I am sure the dose I am on now is still working just fine right now. :) Is there any place out there cheaper or faster than Private MD Labs?
 
MrKleen73 said:
Good looking out!

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11/11/23 - Fasted Weight 197.6 - Alright 2nd week in and at some weight basically. Coach cut some calories so we can start the actual cutting! Here goes the ride boys and girls.

My back is still very tender, not like injured tender, but unhappy tender. I was still able to get in a great workout this afternoon and am really enjoying the program.

Arms (Saturday)
Saturday, Nov 11, 2023 at 11:04am

SA Triceps Rope Extension - 20, 15, 10, 20 - complete reps only listed sets completed with partials.
Set 1: 40 lbs x 17
Set 2: 40 lbs x 15
Set 3: 50 lbs x 9
Set 4: 30 lbs x 18

Triceps Kickback (Dumbbell) 3x12 - complete reps only listed sets completed with partials.
Set 1: 15 lbs x 12
Set 2: 15 lbs x 11
Set 3: 15 lbs x 10

EZ Bar Skullcrusher - 15, 12, 8 - complete reps only listed sets completed with partials.
Set 1: 55 lbs x 15
Set 2: 55 lbs x 10
Set 3: 55 lbs x 7

Diamond Push Up - Each set to complete failure
Set 1: 10 reps
Set 2: 7 reps
Set 3: 5 reps

Single Arm Preacher Curl - 3x10 - last set +2 partials
Set 1: 25 lbs x 10
Set 2: 25 lbs x 10
Set 3: 25 lbs x 6

EZ Bar Biceps Curl
"Set 1 too much 2 partials for 12 total, set 2 +1 partial, set 3 +1 partial start at 40 next time."
Set 1: 50 lbs x 10
Set 2: 40 lbs x 12
Set 3: 40 lbs x 8

This was a hell of a session. I had a massive pump and was looking beefy!

Here are a couple shots from my check in this morning to give an idea of where I am at. I am tightening up, I can tell by the loose skin getting more wrinkles as things tighten up. Even with a couple weeks of hair growth I feel there is a noticeable difference from me at the same weight 2 weeks ago.

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As mentioned coach cut some calories this week so we should start seeing some more obvious changes as we go since I am already decently lean.

I am donating blood this week in Rocket's honor then going to order my labs for the following week once everything has had a chance to stabilize so I can give them to my coach. Right now he said we stick to this dose until we have blood work and know I am healthy enough to move forward. I respect that, and I am sure the dose I am on now is still working just fine right now. :) Is there any place out there cheaper or faster than Private MD Labs?
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Wicked session man! Looking tight and massive on the progress pictures!
 
MrKleen73 said:
Good looking out!

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11/11/23 - Fasted Weight 197.6 - Alright 2nd week in and at some weight basically. Coach cut some calories so we can start the actual cutting! Here goes the ride boys and girls.

My back is still very tender, not like injured tender, but unhappy tender. I was still able to get in a great workout this afternoon and am really enjoying the program.

Arms (Saturday)
Saturday, Nov 11, 2023 at 11:04am

SA Triceps Rope Extension - 20, 15, 10, 20 - complete reps only listed sets completed with partials.
Set 1: 40 lbs x 17
Set 2: 40 lbs x 15
Set 3: 50 lbs x 9
Set 4: 30 lbs x 18

Triceps Kickback (Dumbbell) 3x12 - complete reps only listed sets completed with partials.
Set 1: 15 lbs x 12
Set 2: 15 lbs x 11
Set 3: 15 lbs x 10

EZ Bar Skullcrusher - 15, 12, 8 - complete reps only listed sets completed with partials.
Set 1: 55 lbs x 15
Set 2: 55 lbs x 10
Set 3: 55 lbs x 7

Diamond Push Up - Each set to complete failure
Set 1: 10 reps
Set 2: 7 reps
Set 3: 5 reps

Single Arm Preacher Curl - 3x10 - last set +2 partials
Set 1: 25 lbs x 10
Set 2: 25 lbs x 10
Set 3: 25 lbs x 6

EZ Bar Biceps Curl
"Set 1 too much 2 partials for 12 total, set 2 +1 partial, set 3 +1 partial start at 40 next time."
Set 1: 50 lbs x 10
Set 2: 40 lbs x 12
Set 3: 40 lbs x 8

This was a hell of a session. I had a massive pump and was looking beefy!

Here are a couple shots from my check in this morning to give an idea of where I am at. I am tightening up, I can tell by the loose skin getting more wrinkles as things tighten up. Even with a couple weeks of hair growth I feel there is a noticeable difference from me at the same weight 2 weeks ago.

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As mentioned coach cut some calories this week so we should start seeing some more obvious changes as we go since I am already decently lean.

I am donating blood this week in Rocket's honor then going to order my labs for the following week once everything has had a chance to stabilize so I can give them to my coach. Right now he said we stick to this dose until we have blood work and know I am healthy enough to move forward. I respect that, and I am sure the dose I am on now is still working just fine right now. :) Is there any place out there cheaper or faster than Private MD Labs?
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Lookin good! Hard work is paying off. You are def getting back what you are putting in!!!
I was gonna ask what you do for bloods. I have heard of a few “finger prick from home” companies. My daughter just got a bill from Quest for over 700 for blood work. There was a typo on her insurance info thus the bill. But wow 7 beans for blood work???
 
akboom87 said:
Wicked session man! Looking tight and massive on the progress pictures!
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Thank you Sir!
PolishHamm3r77 said:
Lookin good! Hard work is paying off. You are def getting back what you are putting in!!!
I was gonna ask what you do for bloods. I have heard of a few “finger prick from home” companies. My daughter just got a bill from Quest for over 700 for blood work. There was a typo on her insurance info thus the bill. But wow 7 beans for blood work???
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Appreciate it, and yeah it is crazy. Honestly since I haven't been on any appreciable amount of gear, or pushed it in years I just typically do blood work twice a year at my Dr's for my TRT. This year I will have to schedule that in between cycles. So this is really the first time I am looking to pay privately. For what I need I am looking at $143. I need a CBC, CMP, Lipids, and Estradiol. The women's light hormone panel covers everything but the lipids and also includes testosterone not that I need to know what that is right now. I know my test is good it is from the pharmacy. ;) For some reason it is much cheaper for the women's even though it tests the same things...
 
I lost my primary care who was awesome. He listened and talked to you, not at you. He’s cool w my 1 or 2 joints after work as the booze was waaaayyyy worse for me. He lost his lic due to Covid social distancing protocol. When you would see him, he would treat you like you were the only patient he had that day. You didn’t ever see him check the time. He was a one-man show, small waiting room, and patients would get backed up sometimes. Some ”Karen” tossed a grenade at his career over social distancing. Go figure.
 
Looking better from the last pics truly. Good luck on things to come!

Ulta Labs tends to be a bit cheaper for me, and they have a very broad ala cart selection. You can probably get the first 3 in some kind of all in one, then add estradiol. Or for sure CBC+CMP and add one of the lipid tests & estradiol.

Will be cheaper too with one of their daily codes (sign up for email, 15-20% off code always but rotates almost daily).

ULTAVET right now for 20% off through the weekend I believe.
 
PolishHamm3r77 said:
I lost my primary care who was awesome. He listened and talked to you, not at you. He’s cool w my 1 or 2 joints after work as the booze was waaaayyyy worse for me. He lost his lic due to Covid social distancing protocol. When you would see him, he would treat you like you were the only patient he had that day. You didn’t ever see him check the time. He was a one-man show, small waiting room, and patients would get backed up sometimes. Some ”Karen” tossed a grenade at his career over social distancing. Go figure.
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Yeah those are nice. Mine is pretty easy going and I have been with her since she took over the office I was visiting like 15-20 years ago. I don't talk to her about my gear or weed use. I don't need that getting back to the insurance company.
Hyde said:
Looking better from the last pics truly. Good luck on things to come!

Ulta Labs tends to be a bit cheaper for me, and they have a very broad ala cart selection. You can probably get the first 3 in some kind of all in one, then add estradiol. Or for sure CBC+CMP and add one of the lipid tests & estradiol.

Will be cheaper too with one of their daily codes (sign up for email, 15-20% off code always but rotates almost daily).

ULTAVET right now for 20% off through the weekend I believe.
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Thanks! I am very happy with the current shape I am seeing and we are working hard on the lateral head of the triceps to get that pop on the outer arm in some of my other movements. My shoulder seem to really be shaping up as the fat comes off. I have a surprising amount in between my delt and my triceps. I guess that is part of the holding back fat longer than front as well. I think there will be some big changes just from losing that fat as well. I have been asked a few times rewcently how I got my rear delts so big so that is a great sign!!!

Cool I will check that out my coach just sent me everything he wants with a link to another site as well. So, I can compare exactly and find the best price.
 
The wheels are legit bro!!!! Definitely gonna be a string point come show time. Does your coach let you do thr stepmill for cardio or does he keep you away from it so you don't lose size? I never understood that myself but people a lot smarter than me swear the stepmill will destroy leg size.
 
Mikereyn513 said:
The wheels are legit bro!!!! Definitely gonna be a string point come show time. Does your coach let you do thr stepmill for cardio or does he keep you away from it so you don't lose size? I never understood that myself but people a lot smarter than me swear the stepmill will destroy leg size.
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To me it's just too much to recover from compared to incline walking or a treadmill. The fact it feels like such a workout during the session tells you it is depleting the crap out of your legs. No muscular growth there just harder to recover from so I don't see it as beneficial to me. My legs are always exhausted after the stairmill, and lose size and fullness quickly on lower calories. So, I imagine for me it might not be the best idea. He just has me doing it on a treadmill right now, but probably going to see if we can move it to an elliptical, it just feels better on my body.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Good looking out!

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11/11/23 - Fasted Weight 197.6 - Alright 2nd week in and at some weight basically. Coach cut some calories so we can start the actual cutting! Here goes the ride boys and girls.

My back is still very tender, not like injured tender, but unhappy tender. I was still able to get in a great workout this afternoon and am really enjoying the program.

Arms (Saturday)
Saturday, Nov 11, 2023 at 11:04am

SA Triceps Rope Extension - 20, 15, 10, 20 - complete reps only listed sets completed with partials.
Set 1: 40 lbs x 17
Set 2: 40 lbs x 15
Set 3: 50 lbs x 9
Set 4: 30 lbs x 18

Triceps Kickback (Dumbbell) 3x12 - complete reps only listed sets completed with partials.
Set 1: 15 lbs x 12
Set 2: 15 lbs x 11
Set 3: 15 lbs x 10

EZ Bar Skullcrusher - 15, 12, 8 - complete reps only listed sets completed with partials.
Set 1: 55 lbs x 15
Set 2: 55 lbs x 10
Set 3: 55 lbs x 7

Diamond Push Up - Each set to complete failure
Set 1: 10 reps
Set 2: 7 reps
Set 3: 5 reps

Single Arm Preacher Curl - 3x10 - last set +2 partials
Set 1: 25 lbs x 10
Set 2: 25 lbs x 10
Set 3: 25 lbs x 6

EZ Bar Biceps Curl
"Set 1 too much 2 partials for 12 total, set 2 +1 partial, set 3 +1 partial start at 40 next time."
Set 1: 50 lbs x 10
Set 2: 40 lbs x 12
Set 3: 40 lbs x 8

This was a hell of a session. I had a massive pump and was looking beefy!

Here are a couple shots from my check in this morning to give an idea of where I am at. I am tightening up, I can tell by the loose skin getting more wrinkles as things tighten up. Even with a couple weeks of hair growth I feel there is a noticeable difference from me at the same weight 2 weeks ago.

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As mentioned coach cut some calories this week so we should start seeing some more obvious changes as we go since I am already decently lean.

I am donating blood this week in Rocket's honor then going to order my labs for the following week once everything has had a chance to stabilize so I can give them to my coach. Right now he said we stick to this dose until we have blood work and know I am healthy enough to move forward. I respect that, and I am sure the dose I am on now is still working just fine right now. :) Is there any place out there cheaper or faster than Private MD Labs?
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Everyone used to tell me "just wait till you're 40".
Then I turned 40, hit a bunch of PRs and now they say "just wait until you're 50"

well **** man, if this is 50 I can't wait! looking great!
 
11/12/23 Macros - As you can see we cut out about 300 calories from each day. Basically removed them via about 60 grams of rice and my 4 oz sweet potato with dinner. Fats a touch lower. Curious to see where this takes me.
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11/13/23 - Fasted Weight 202.1 - Crazy how the fluctuations work. Up to 202 but on less calories... I did have to eat the bulk of my food during the afternoon. I expect it is mostly just food still working through my system.

Chest & Biceps (Monday) - Nov 13, 2023 at 4:37am

Incline Chest Press (Machine) 2 sets @ 6 and 8 to failure
Set 1: 82.5 lbs x 7 - failed on attempt @8 - Go up
Set 2: 72.5 lbs x 6 - failed on attempt @7 - Try 5-7.5 lbs less

Iso-Lateral Chest Press (Machine) - 3 x 10, 3rd set has double drop set
Set 1: 70 lbs x 10 - 70 was a little too heavy, will start with 65 next week.
Set 2: 65 lbs x 10
Set 3: 65 lbs x 8 drop
Set 4: 55 lbs x 4 drop
Set 5: 45 lbs x 3

Bench Press (Cable) 3 x 15
Set 1: 30 lbs x 15
Set 2: 40 lbs x 15
Set 3: 40 lbs x 10 + 5 partials.

Chest Fly (Machine) 3 sets of 21's
Set 1: 80 lbs x 21
Set 2: 80 lbs x 21
Set 3: 80 lbs x 20 + 1 partial - Chest Pump was absolutely ridiculous this morning. Side chest pose was looking pretty impressive.

Spider Curl (Dumbbell) 3 x 15
Set 1: 20 lbs x 15
Set 2: 20 lbs x 15
Set 3: 20 lbs x 12 + 3 partials - The contractions on this bring the burn baby!

Bicep Curl (Dumbbell) 3 x 15
Set 1: 15 lbs x 15
Set 2: 15 lbs x 15
Set 3: 15 lbs x 12 + 3 partials - I initially started doing these as alternating DB Curls then had to adjust.

There is one thing I know for sure on this program. I am not leaving anything on the table. All cards are played by the end of the session. I was looking jacked when I left the gym biceps pumped, check, chest = swoll, triceps looking beefy just a nice pump!

Hevy App - One thing I am a little annoyed with on this app is sometimes my notes don't carry over. They should be at the top of the movement telling me how he wants things performed but it seems hit or miss. I am going to look. Also the weights used for the week before should have populated for me but they did not. If these issues are bugs then I will be looking for a new up here shortly. Going to look around online to see if I have a setting wrong first before I scrap it.
 
Dustin07 said:
Everyone used to tell me "just wait till you're 40".
Then I turned 40, hit a bunch of PRs and now they say "just wait until you're 50"

well **** man, if this is 50 I can't wait! looking great!
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Thanks! Honestly though, they are right just not in the way they think. To them they are breaking down from doing nothing... You use it you lose it. Not sending a signal you need the body to be strong it is very efficient. Not moving much or needing much repair, okay lets spend less resources on collagen production. Knees, big belly causes back aches and when they do actually do something it breaks them for days or makes the sore for days.

Me, I had to stop training for strength and change my focus to aesthetics and hypertrophy. The strength training isn't so great for my joints any more, However yeah things changed when I hit around 35 a bit, and again around 45 for sure. Just a little longer recovery or connective tissue being more of an issue. You make adjustments and choose to focus your attention on the things you can still do. Point in case being it doesn't have to stop, and you don't have to stop getting better but how you go about achieving those goals will have to be adjusted, and other goals may have to be changed all together, but you can still always find something to improve. At least until this age and judging from Rocket's example it didn't stop by 64 either.
 
MrKleen73 said:
11/12/23 Macros - As you can see we cut out about 300 calories from each day. Basically removed them via about 60 grams of rice and my 4 oz sweet potato with dinner. Fats a touch lower. Curious to see where this takes me.
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11/13/23 - Fasted Weight 202.1 - Crazy how the fluctuations work. Up to 202 but on less calories... I did have to eat the bulk of my food during the afternoon. I expect it is mostly just food still working through my system.

Chest & Biceps (Monday) - Nov 13, 2023 at 4:37am

Incline Chest Press (Machine) 2 sets @ 6 and 8 to failure
Set 1: 82.5 lbs x 7 - failed on attempt @8 - Go up
Set 2: 72.5 lbs x 6 - failed on attempt @7 - Try 5-7.5 lbs less

Iso-Lateral Chest Press (Machine) - 3 x 10, 3rd set has double drop set
Set 1: 70 lbs x 10 - 70 was a little too heavy, will start with 65 next week.
Set 2: 65 lbs x 10
Set 3: 65 lbs x 8 drop
Set 4: 55 lbs x 4 drop
Set 5: 45 lbs x 3

Bench Press (Cable) 3 x 15
Set 1: 30 lbs x 15
Set 2: 40 lbs x 15
Set 3: 40 lbs x 10 + 5 partials.

Chest Fly (Machine) 3 sets of 21's
Set 1: 80 lbs x 21
Set 2: 80 lbs x 21
Set 3: 80 lbs x 20 + 1 partial - Chest Pump was absolutely ridiculous this morning. Side chest pose was looking pretty impressive.

Spider Curl (Dumbbell) 3 x 15
Set 1: 20 lbs x 15
Set 2: 20 lbs x 15
Set 3: 20 lbs x 12 + 3 partials - The contractions on this bring the burn baby!

Bicep Curl (Dumbbell) 3 x 15
Set 1: 15 lbs x 15
Set 2: 15 lbs x 15
Set 3: 15 lbs x 12 + 3 partials - I initially started doing these as alternating DB Curls then had to adjust.

There is one thing I know for sure on this program. I am not leaving anything on the table. All cards are played by the end of the session. I was looking jacked when I left the gym biceps pumped, check, chest = swoll, triceps looking beefy just a nice pump!

Hevy App - One thing I am a little annoyed with on this app is sometimes my notes don't carry over. They should be at the top of the movement telling me how he wants things performed but it seems hit or miss. I am going to look. Also the weights used for the week before should have populated for me but they did not. If these issues are bugs then I will be looking for a new up here shortly. Going to look around online to see if I have a setting wrong first before I scrap it.
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Did you try creating your own custom template on the RP app? Just curious I have never tried it but didn’t know if you could tune it to work for your new training.
 
akboom87 said:
Did you try creating your own custom template on the RP app? Just curious I have never tried it but didn’t know if you could tune it to work for your new training.
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I could have I am sure but I can't justify spending the cost on that monthly if I am not following the programming style or methodology of their programs right now. I was on the 24.99 a month special but that is a lot if not using it for what it is actually designed for like you are. Plus it also does not carry over some of the things the way one would expect. It just shows you what it wants you to do, not what you did previously. Which is great but for the way this program runs I need to know last weeks numbers.
 
Dustin07 said:
no joke, and 65 would have been a helluva a year for the old boy if he didn't draw such as shitty lottery ticket this year. He was YOKED
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No doubt!
 
Damn 4:37am training session!? That's before work I'm guessing? Do you get up at 230 and have a meal then go back to sleep until 4 or do you train fasted?
 
MrKleen73 said:
I could have I am sure but I can't justify spending the cost on that monthly if I am not following the programming style or methodology of their programs right now. I was on the 24.99 a month special
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I am with you there. I have tried some apps then sorta walked away and kept some of what I learned, trashed some. $25 is a lot less than a coach, but you get a lot less. These days you can nickel and dime yourself very fast with all these "cheap" monthly subscriptions. I have to occasionally log into my amazon or google acct to double check what all I'm be charged every month in case there is a random $2.99 charge in there I forgot about that needs cancelled.
 
akboom87 said:
I use there hypertrophy workout app, Kleen did for a while until he started his new program and the app will not work for his application.
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It's not that it won't work but that it is an actual coaching app that dictates load based on an algorithm that my coach is not using. It is basically more machine than I need right now. Kind of like renting a steam roller to flatten a coke can. It will do the job but it could have been done just as well much cheaper. However, I do recommend reading their RP Hypertrophy book, after using the app things in it will click a lot more so you understand what is going on behind the scenes then sooner or later you can just run your own RP type meso just using the same criteria.
Mikereyn513 said:
Damn 4:37am training session!? That's before work I'm guessing? Do you get up at 230 and have a meal then go back to sleep until 4 or do you train fasted?
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Yep before work. I don't want to make my family sacrifice seeing me just because I want to do a bodybuilding show. So I started training in the morning about 6 weeks ago I think.

Before my coach I was just getting up at 4:00Am taking my preworkout before doing anything else then make my periworkout drink which was 1 scoop Country Time Lemonade, 36g dextrose, and a scoop of whey.

Now I get up at 3:45AM, have my preworkout, and my coach has me eat 150g fresh banana, then I put 150g of frozen pineapple in the nutribullet with 2 scoops of isolate and drink that as fast as I can. Finish getting dressed, brush teeth, drive 10 minutes to the gym and get going. At first I felt a little full in the gym but after the first week I am fine. An occasional burp, but I get about 30 minutes from the time I finish my preworkout feeding but with the pineapple being blended and banana being as soft as it is the digestion process goes very easily.


Dustin07 said:
I am with you there. I have tried some apps then sorta walked away and kept some of what I learned, trashed some. $25 is a lot less than a coach, but you get a lot less. These days you can nickel and dime yourself very fast with all these "cheap" monthly subscriptions. I have to occasionally log into my amazon or google acct to double check what all I'm be charged every month in case there is a random $2.99 charge in there I forgot about that needs cancelled.
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Yeah, and one of the big things I liked about it was that it showed my notes, and had a spot for last weeks weights. Now I did find that somehow my first training session didn't get saved so that function may actually be working as expected. Tomorrow we will see if it shows last weeks numbers. I do have a workout recorded for that. However the other is the description of the workout which I really enjoy and want to have right there at the working set so I can refresh my mind just before the exercise. If this one isn't the one I will give Strong a try since @PFlowReborn swears by it.
 
MrKleen73 said:
It's not that it won't work but that it is an actual coaching app that dictates load based on an algorithm that my coach is not using. It is basically more machine than I need right now. Kind of like renting a steam roller to flatten a coke can. It will do the job but it could have been done just as well much cheaper. However, I do recommend reading their RP Hypertrophy book, after using the app things in it will click a lot more so you understand what is going on behind the scenes then sooner or later you can just run your own RP type meso just using the same criteria.
Yep before work. I don't want to make my family sacrifice seeing me just because I want to do a bodybuilding show. So I started training in the morning about 6 weeks ago I think.

Before my coach I was just getting up at 4:00Am taking my preworkout before doing anything else then make my periworkout drink which was 1 scoop Country Time Lemonade, 36g dextrose, and a scoop of whey.

Now I get up at 3:45AM, have my preworkout, and my coach has me eat 150g fresh banana, then I put 150g of frozen pineapple in the nutribullet with 2 scoops of isolate and drink that as fast as I can. Finish getting dressed, brush teeth, drive 10 minutes to the gym and get going. At first I felt a little full in the gym but after the first week I am fine. An occasional burp, but I get about 30 minutes from the time I finish my preworkout feeding but with the pineapple being blended and banana being as soft as it is the digestion process goes very easily.



Yeah, and one of the big things I liked about it was that it showed my notes, and had a spot for last weeks weights. Now I did find that somehow my first training session didn't get saved so that function may actually be working as expected. Tomorrow we will see if it shows last weeks numbers. I do have a workout recorded for that. However the other is the description of the workout which I really enjoy and want to have right there at the working set so I can refresh my mind just before the exercise. If this one isn't the one I will give Strong a try since @PFlowReborn swears by it.
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Just FYi, Strong app in Pro mode is mere $30/year or $5/mo. So just skip a pizza or a couple Starbucks runs and get the year and yeah I just have Music + Strong app on a wall mounted android device right next to tonal in paid off, no subscription mode..

That's an easy trade as I mainly need the music and a fast way to log working out, which Tonal did for me for the first year or more I had it in subscription mode.
 
PFlowReborn said:
Just FYi, Strong app in Pro mode is mere $30/year or $5/mo. So just skip a pizza or a couple Starbucks runs and get the year and yeah I just have Music + Strong app on a wall mounted android device right next to tonal in paid off, no subscription mode..

That's an easy trade as I mainly need the music and a fast way to log working out, which Tonal did for me for the first year or more I had it in subscription mode.
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Skipping pizza? No thank you! ;)
 
PFlowReborn said:
Just FYi, Strong app in Pro mode is mere $30/year or $5/mo. So just skip a pizza or a couple Starbucks runs and get the year and yeah I just have Music + Strong app on a wall mounted android device right next to tonal in paid off, no subscription mode..

That's an easy trade as I mainly need the music and a fast way to log working out, which Tonal did for me for the first year or more I had it in subscription mode.
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Yeah, my previous weights showed up today which was cool. Still doesn't show the original notes during the session which is annoying.
rascal14 said:
Skipping pizza? No thank you! ;)
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Haha, aren't we already doing that?

11/13/23 Ending macros - I was a little low on fat last night and forgot to add a few grams to my final meal. Needed a little more carbs too. Will be better today but still a win.
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11/14/23 - Fasted Weight 200.6

Legs - (Tuesday) - Nov 14, 2023 at 4:41am

Pendulum Squat (Machine) - Replaced back squats with these to allow lower back to recover more.
Set 1: 70 lbs x 12
Set 2: 70 lbs x 12
Set 3: 70 lbs x 10 - I had to push myself up with my hands on my knees for the 11th rep.

Leg Press (Machine) - Last week 380
Set 1: 400 lbs x 12 @ 8.5 rpe
Set 2: 400 lbs x 12 @ 9 rpe
Set 3: 420 lbs x 11 @ 10 rpe - I had to push myself up with my hands on my knees for the 12th rep.

Walking Lunge (Dumbbell) - Last week 20
Set 1: 25 lbs x 8 @ 9 rpe
Set 2: 25 lbs x 8 @ 9.5-10 rpe - These had me struggling.

Back Extension (Hyperextension) Replaced RDL's with these to allow lower back to recover more.
Set 1: 15 reps @ 9 rpe
Set 2: 12 reps @ 10 rpe
Set 3: 8 reps @ Fail - I couldn't get all the way extended on last rep but was enough to call it a rep.

Lying Leg Curl (Machine)
Set 1: 45 lbs x 20 @ 8.5 rpe
Set 2: 60 lbs x 15 @ 9.5 rpe
Set 3: 60 lbs x 10 @ 10 rpe
Set 4: 45 lbs x 16 @ Fail + 4 partials - Oh yeah, these were burning. Good Stuff!

Calf Press (Machine)
Set 1: 200 lbs x 30 @ 7.5 rpe
Set 2: 200 lbs x 30 @ 9.5 rpe
Set 3: 200 lbs x 23 @ Fail - I had to RP to get last 7 on this one, and do a couple slight partials to complete. The burn on these was brutal!!!

Although I was hoping that my lower back would be up to the task of squatting and RDL's today but missed it by a day or 2 of recovery. I feel like I will be back to 100% or very close by Friday when I have rack pulls again. I will give them another shot but obviously be more careful. If they light me up again I will have the coach give me something else to do for that purpose.

Oh yeah, the RPE stuff isn't exactly from my sessions but it has a way to rate that which I am more using like RIR but I figured if the app has an easy place to track effort then I should be tracking it.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Although I was hoping that my lower back would be up to the task of squatting and RDL's today but missed it by a day or 2 of recovery. I feel like I will be back to 100% or very close by Friday when I have rack pulls again. I will give them another shot but obviously be more careful. If they light me up again I will have the coach give me something else to do for that purpose.

Oh yeah, the RPE stuff isn't exactly from my sessions but it has a way to rate that which I am more using like RIR but I figured if the app has an easy place to track effort then I should be tracking it.
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I can't put my finger on it, and maybe it's in my head but since committing to the competition your sessions somehow seem even more focused. (not that they were bad before). Just something seems different/improved in a great way
 
Dustin07 said:
I can't put my finger on it, and maybe it's in my head but since committing to the competition your sessions somehow seem even more focused. (not that they were bad before). Just something seems different/improved in a great way
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Hmmmmm... Maybe the way the app displays them more nicely. However probably has more to do with the organization of the work and volume. With the PLP I had to take care of 3-4 body parts a training session and spread the volume across multiple days. So nothing really seemed congruent to look it. This program is concise, basic bro split but focused on my weak points. So it just looks, and feels a bit more organized in my opinion. it is also nice that I am not spending as much time warming up multiple body parts in a session. The other thing probably beneficial to me being my age is the training most things just once a week, which allows for my joints and connective tissue to recover more in between bouts. Then of course there is the going to failure which just leaves no questions if I am giving it my all. I did much better this session about managing the intensity so I could get the volume needed. He doesn't really want me failing on anything but the last set of regular work sets. However the main lift is normally 2 sets to failure. Just not right now with what is going on with my lower back.
 
Dustin07 said:
I can't put my finger on it, and maybe it's in my head but since committing to the competition your sessions somehow seem even more focused. (not that they were bad before). Just something seems different/improved in a great way
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I’d say it’s dropping the enrollment for the comp and getting the coach. When $ comes out EFT for the gym membership you don’t use, you don’t see it other than on your statement. If you were to walk into the gym and hand over $49.99 I doubt your ass is walking out. At least not skipping that day. Money is a motivator. Not to say that u weren’t motivated b4 Kleen but now it’s like you have a firing solution w missile lock. BOOM 💥
 
Holy Hell, cardio at lunch was brutal. Legs are tired and keeping up the pace just pushed me mentally.

PolishHamm3r77 said:
I’d say it’s dropping the enrollment for the comp and getting the coach. When $ comes out EFT for the gym membership you don’t use, you don’t see it other than on your statement. If you were to walk into the gym and hand over $49.99 I doubt your ass is walking out. At least not skipping that day. Money is a motivator. Not to say that u weren’t motivated b4 Kleen but now it’s like you have a firing solution w missile lock. BOOM 💥
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Honestly, at this point it is just that the training is more intense due to the plan. I haven't really ratcheted up my game or adherence to my workouts anymore. I have been pretty dedicated to my training for the last 4-5 months. My previous program just didn't go to failure as part of the design. This one does. So that means I am working harder but doing less overall sets and volume. Food intake has definitely gotten more organized and restrictive. The other part which does have to do with the coach as well is I don't like to let people I see as important to me down. He gave me a program, and I want him to be proud of how I am putting it to work. Honestly, I haven't thought about the money again since I got my workout plan. Just want to make my coach proud. It's another part of who I am that I have learned to harness. That and having weekly check ins. I know he will see what I have been doing and the results of my work. Again, I don't want to let him down because his opinion is going to be one of the most important opinions in my ear over the course of the next year. So, I am going to automatically do my best to make sure he has a high opinion of me, my work ethic, and who I am as a person.
 
MrKleen73 said:
I know he will see what I have been doing and the results of my work. Again, I don't want to let him down because his opinion is going to be one of the most important opinions in my ear over the course of the next year. So, I am going to automatically do my best to make sure he has a high opinion of me, my work ethic, and who I am as a person.
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I like that. if he's worth his salt as a coach, the higher esteem he holds you in, the harder he's going to push you for results.
 
Have you heat/ice treatment at night to see if you can get the back muscles calmed down? Or is it calmed down and just not 100%yet?
 
MrKleen73 said:
Thanks! Honestly though, they are right just not in the way they think. To them they are breaking down from doing nothing... You use it you lose it. Not sending a signal you need the body to be strong it is very efficient. Not moving much or needing much repair, okay lets spend less resources on collagen production. Knees, big belly causes back aches and when they do actually do something it breaks them for days or makes the sore for days.

Me, I had to stop training for strength and change my focus to aesthetics and hypertrophy. The strength training isn't so great for my joints any more, However yeah things changed when I hit around 35 a bit, and again around 45 for sure. Just a little longer recovery or connective tissue being more of an issue. You make adjustments and choose to focus your attention on the things you can still do. Point in case being it doesn't have to stop, and you don't have to stop getting better but how you go about achieving those goals will have to be adjusted, and other goals may have to be changed all together, but you can still always find something to improve. At least until this age and judging from Rocket's example it didn't stop by 64 either.
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You said this very well…..as we age we don’t have to stop, but we do have to learn to adjust, adapt, or change to be able to keep at it. We just can’t get away with some of the mistakes we made when younger, and like you said recovery takes longer, but you can still build a great body if you put in the work. Just do what you can and progress.
It already looks like everything is working, looking at those last set of pictures. Arms and legs are really looking jacked, really a nice sweep on your quads. Looks like you are hitting everything just right, and bringing up weak points while strengthening strong points, creating balance. Man if you’re doing this good, this early, I can’t wait to see in a few months where you are at.💪
 
Dustin07 said:
I like that. if he's worth his salt as a coach, the higher esteem he holds you in, the harder he's going to push you for results.
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Agreed, and he really cares for his athletes. In his videos of him at the competitions you can hear him screaming for his guys. Getting all kinds of worked up and truly excited for them. That in and of itself tells how he feels about what he does, and the people he works with.
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Have you heat/ice treatment at night to see if you can get the back muscles calmed down? Or is it calmed down and just not 100%yet?
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Yes Sir, It has calmed down a lot and I probably could have squatted if I held a little back but I thought it would be better not to push the back and pick an exercise I could still push my legs hard on. Same with the RDL, I could have felt it out and done some sub-optimal work on it, or I could pick an unloaded exercise I could safely take to the point of failure and blast the target muscle. All my hamstring and lower back know if they got worked hard. They have no idea what exercise it was that worked them that hard. I definitely feel like I will be okay for some rack pulls Friday, but will be feeling them out. Also going to watch some videos to see if I can get a better breakdown of the set up. I may also lay some mats down on the above knee pull that was too short to see if I can get the height in between my first and second set.
gphagan1 said:
You said this very well…..as we age we don’t have to stop, but we do have to learn to adjust, adapt, or change to be able to keep at it. We just can’t get away with some of the mistakes we made when younger, and like you said recovery takes longer, but you can still build a great body if you put in the work. Just do what you can and progress.
It already looks like everything is working, looking at those last set of pictures. Arms and legs are really looking jacked, really a nice sweep on your quads. Looks like you are hitting everything just right, and bringing up weak points while strengthening strong points, creating balance. Man if you’re doing this good, this early, I can’t wait to see in a few months where you are at.💪
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Thanks, yeah, I am pretty excited myself. I feel I am in a great place right now with a pretty nice shape. Rounding out some of these muscles will go a long way to really bringing things out. I also noticed that the outside of my arms seems to hold some fat compared to the rest, same with the area between my triceps and shoulders. So a little more fat loss will really make my delts and triceps pop even without a ton of growth. Which is going to be exciting to see than when we start adding slabs of meat, things are really going to get exciting.

I am going to go give blood in Rocket's memory today. Will be a nice thing to do for him and someone who needs it.
 
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