Tell Us What You Would Like to See From SNS & CEL (2023 Edition)

[sns8778]

HMB or Epicatichen

We were one of the first companies to ever offer a high potency Epicatechin product - Epi-Plex from Competitive Edge Labs.

Epi-Plex contains 300 mg. Epicatechin + Bioperine for absorption enhancement per capsule.

https://competitiveedgelabs.com/product/epi-plex/


HMB I've thought about, but in talking to other company owners that offer it, it just doesn't sell like it used to. There are so many Amazon brands now that don't even bother to try to meet label claims that are selling it and that can really ruin the interest of good quality companies from even wanting to bother to offer an ingredient.

I would be open to an HMB though if enough people were interested.

But I will also say that Phosphatidic Acid XT is much better for mTOR activation that HMB is in my opinion, and the upcoming Pepti-Plex product will be much better than HMB as well.

 

[mikem1062]

I need to figure out a name for the product. If anyone has any suggestions, I'm all ears. This is one of those categories where almost every possible name seems taken.

"The Basics"? Multi XT is an obvious one, if not very strong/standout.

 

[jgraves31]

I had thought about Multi XT.

I really wanted a fancier cool name for it, but everything fancy and cool I think of is taken.

Crux XT ?

 

[sns8778]

Crux XT ?

I think its important with a multi for the average consumer to know its a multi by the name of it. I understand and like where you're going with that, but not sure the average person would get it.

I don't meant that negatively, I truly appreciate the suggestion.

A lot of times even unused ones wind up contributing to the one we wind up going with.

 

[NegativeMass]

Thank you. I really appreciate that.

Is there any certain dosage of Ubiquinol that you would like to see us do? I'm open to the idea.

If we did a fish oil, I had thought about trying to do a very high potency one in terms of EPA/DHA content.

Ubiquinol I generally use 100mg in MCT oil. Certain times of year I use 200mg though so I keep both.

The fish oil I use is 500 EPA 250 DHA per and it's enteric coated. I only buy high potency.

 

[sns8778]

Ubiquinol I generally use 100mg in MCT oil. Certain times of year I use 200mg though so I keep both.

The fish oil I use is 500 EPA 250 DHA per and it's enteric coated. I only buy high potency.

I like the NOW Foods Enteric Coated Fish Oil that had the high potency EPAHA ratio; but my stomach just can't handle fish oil and I still taste it a little and I despise the taste of fish.

I started using Algal oil which interestingly has a reverse ration of more DHA to EPA. The one I use has 300 mg. DHA to 150 mg. EPA per softgel.

 

[louie2]

off topic but when will inhibit-e and furosap xt be back in stock

 

[sns8778]

off topic but when will inhibit-e and furosap xt be back in stock

We are hoping to have both products back in stock within the next 2 weeks.

We're getting a lot of items back in stock at a pretty good pace and have been doing our best to increase inventory levels to minimize out of stocks.

 

[NegativeMass]

off topic but when will inhibit-e and furosap xt be back in stock

I just got 2 bottles of inhibit e in the mail from DPS nutrition.

 

[louie2]

thanks but they d'ont ship to Canada

 

[mikem1062]

Steve - I find Sabroxy to be a big help for focus (like many others, from what I read). What about a version of Focus XT that also included Sabroxy, maybe call it Focus+ XT or Ultimate Focus XT or such?

 

[sns8778]

Steve - I find Sabroxy to be a big help for focus (like many others, from what I read). What about a version of Focus XT that also included Sabroxy, maybe call it Focus+ XT or Ultimate Focus XT or such?

I'm really glad that you like Sabroxy XT.

I actually had thought about doing an advanced version of Focus XT with Sabroxy and some other things in it, and I may.

We're hoping to have Focus XT back in next month finally and the first priority is getting it back in stock and then releasing a couple new flavors. After that, I had been considering doing a version that would have a few more ingredients - I could make an argument for or against that because I don't want it to confuse people, but definitely is a consideration.

 

[Jeremyk1]

Steve - I find Sabroxy to be a big help for focus (like many others, from what I read). What about a version of Focus XT that also included Sabroxy, maybe call it Focus+ XT or Ultimate Focus XT or such?

HyperFocus XT?

 

[sns8778]

HyperFocus XT?

I was thinking Focus XT - Ultimate or Ultra.

But right now the priority is just getting the regular back in stock first. But it would be cool to do an advanced one. But if I do, I'm conflicted on whether to put any stims at all in it or leave it stim free so that people can take it with whatever else they want.

 

[BigGame84]

How is it I can buy Pepti-Plex from DPS right now, yet it's not even on the SNS site or anything?

 

[alvin1]

SNS should have it they just haven’t listed it for sale yet. Surprised DPS has it listed since the write up isn’t up yet, but they’ve had the page up (but oos) all week.

A1 supplement also as it listed for sale

 

[N2ofusion]

I'm really glad that you like Sabroxy XT.

I actually had thought about doing an advanced version of Focus XT with Sabroxy and some other things in it, and I may.

We're hoping to have Focus XT back in next month finally and the first priority is getting it back in stock and then releasing a couple new flavors. After that, I had been considering doing a version that would have a few more ingredients - I could make an argument for or against that because I don't want it to confuse people, but definitely is a consideration.

Ultimate Focus XT sounds good. Personally I like one scoop and a Monster Zero to get about 300mg of caffeine. I can’t double scoop F XT as it would be a bit too much Choline for me. I also like adding Ginseng to things for mood. That could be a good one to add

 

[N2ofusion]

Also, if you knew a way to make a “feel good” ginseng product that would be awesome. We talked about this before, but when you asked what I’d be looking to see, I really don’t know what ginsenodes do what. But if you have something sourceable, or maybe the one from Anabolic XT, could be a cool standalone

 

[mikem1062]

I was thinking Focus XT - Ultimate or Ultra.

But right now the priority is just getting the regular back in stock first. But it would be cool to do an advanced one. But if I do, I'm conflicted on whether to put any stims at all in it or leave it stim free so that people can take it with whatever else they want.

Just one data point for you - for how we tend to use Focus XT, I tend to grab (well, tended - I'm looking forward to the restock) the stim version rather than the caffeine-free version. A similar level of caffeine in the Ultimate/Ultra would be good for us.

 

[sns8778]

How is it I can buy Pepti-Plex from DPS right now, yet it's not even on the SNS site or anything?

Very simple - they listed it for sale before they were supposed to.

That's why it was listed with no actual complete image or write up.

As a company, there are a lot of things that go into a product release. The release date is today. I shipped to them last week so that they would have it in stock for the release date, under the condition that they not make it available. As you can see, that's not how that worked out.

 

[sns8778]

Just one data point for you - for how we tend to use Focus XT, I tend to grab (well, tended - I'm looking forward to the restock) the stim version rather than the caffeine-free version. A similar level of caffeine in the Ultimate/Ultra would be good for us.

Thanks. I've been pretty conflicted on if we do an Ultra version as to whether to put caffeine in it or not. I personally would prefer it in there myself as well.

 

[rascal14]

Is there a half decent electrolyte mix on the market? Something to counter liquid IV or the likes of it?

maybe an amino/electrolyte hydration powder? I haven’t seen one in the fitness industry I don’t think.

Almost something to literally just be a drink that’s different than water, you’d have to give it some purpose. Maybe something you can throw easy, cheap daily use supplements into? (Creatine monohydrate is what immediately comes to mind)

 

[Hyde]

Thanks. I've been pretty conflicted on if we do an Ultra version as to whether to put caffeine in it or not. I personally would prefer it in there myself as well.

+1 here to have the caffeine in the Ultra version

 

[jh1]

+1 here to have the caffeine in the Ultra version

+2. But a similar amount of caffeine to the regular Focus XT, nothing really high stim...150-200mg would be perfect for me

 

[Hyde]

+2. But a similar amount of caffeine to the regular Focus XT, nothing really high stim...150-200mg would be perfect for me

Agree, normal energy drink level.

 

[sns8778]

+1 here to have the caffeine in the Ultra version

+2. But a similar amount of caffeine to the regular Focus XT, nothing really high stim...150-200mg would be perfect for me

Agree, normal energy drink level.

I'm leaning towards keeping it the same caffeine content as the original Focus XT.

I thought about going up to 240 mg., but decided against it because I think that would limit some people from taking it. Plus, its always so easy to take in extra caffeine if that's what someone wants to do.

 

[sns8778]

Is there a half decent electrolyte mix on the market? Something to counter liquid IV or the likes of it?

maybe an amino/electrolyte hydration powder? I haven’t seen one in the fitness industry I don’t think.

Almost something to literally just be a drink that’s different than water, you’d have to give it some purpose. Maybe something you can throw easy, cheap daily use supplements into? (Creatine monohydrate is what immediately comes to mind)

We have an amino/EAA product coming out under both SNS and CEL and there will be some electrolytes in them.

I also have a formula designed that I'm getting ready to request flavor samples for for a hydration product that is along the lines of what I think you're talking about. I was stalled out on trying to decide whether to do a higher sodium or higher potassium version, and finally said screw it, I'm doing 2 flavors of a higher sodium one and 2 flavors of a higher potassium one. That way people can choose which one they prefer.

The hydration product will use all the advanced preferable forms of minerals, like the Albion mineral chelates.

Realistic ETA is probably Jan/Feb depending on how the flavoring process goes; which I doubt will be very easy for this.

 

[sns8778]

I wanted to let everyone know that Pepti-Plex is now available and we have a great intro sale going with discounts and free items along with some of the stacks and multi-packs; plus a very in depth write up.

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[Brianmc83]

Agreed with the low to moderate amount of caffeine for super focus xt. If more caffeine is needed just pop one vasoforce rush.

 

[sns8778]

Agreed with the low to moderate amount of caffeine for super focus xt. If more caffeine is needed just pop one vasoforce rush.

I've done that a lot myself with Focus XT.

VasoForce Rush is so overlooked and underrated on here. Great pre-workout and you can take 1 or 2 caps for energy whenever you'd like and its awesome. I like that to me its a very feel good type of energy.

 

[Brianmc83]

I've done that a lot myself with Focus XT.

VasoForce Rush is so overlooked and underrated on here. Great pre-workout and you can take 1 or 2 caps for energy whenever you'd like and its awesome. I like that to me its a very feel good type of energy.

Agreed its very overlooked and extremely versatile.

 

[sns8778]

Agreed its very overlooked and extremely versatile.

That was one of the reasons I included it as a giveaway for some of the promos for Pepti-Plex is that I wanted more people to get to try it because I knew that if they did, they would likely love it.

 

[CATdiesel76]

Not sure if this has been mentioned or even possible but maybe a feel good or euphoric product. Stimmed or not stimmed. Not sure how many viable compliant ingredients that work are out there. I know you have kannaease and stress and anxiety support but maybe something more

 

[sns8778]

Not sure if this has been mentioned or even possible but maybe a feel good or euphoric product. Stimmed or not stimmed. Not sure how many viable compliant ingredients that work are out there. I know you have kannaease and stress and anxiety support but maybe something more

We are going to be doing a mood support product, but I wouldn't describe that as euphoric.

I like the idea and had thought about it before, but like you said, there's not a lot of ingredients that actually do that.

A lot of people use PEA-500 Xtreme as a feel good product and some people describe that as giving a euphoric feeling for a little while at high doses. That's actually the primary ingredient in another Euphoria product on the market.

 

[madmuscle24]

Amla extract ( Capros) would be cool.
Maybe through in some artichoke extract, red yeast rice ( with the good stuff),
Pantethine and whatever else lowers ldl and apob. Fingers crossed we some of these goodies in the upcoming cholesterol support product your releasing? Any hints on profile and release date lol?

 

[sns8778]

Amla extract ( Capros) would be cool.
Maybe through in some artichoke extract, red yeast rice ( with the good stuff),
Pantethine and whatever else lowers ldl and apob. Fingers crossed we some of these goodies in the upcoming cholesterol support product your releasing? Any hints on profile and release date lol?

Cholesterol Support XT will hopefully be out within the next 2 months.

It is a great formula. Myself, and several other people tried out the ingredients that will be in it earlier this year and the results were excellent with it.

I like Capros as an ingredient, but haven't really found a place for using in anything as its a lot more expensive than ingredients that I feel are as good or better. But I do like it.

Cholesterol Support XT will not have Red Yeast Rice. That is an ingredient that a lot of people, including myself, wouldn't want to take unless it was absolutely necessary. For anyone that wants it, NOW Foods makes one.

You mentioned RYR with the 'good stuff' in it - monacolin K enhanced Red Yeast Rice is illegal in the US. I posted a huge thing explaining that some time ago, but the search function here sucks and I wasn't able to find it.

 

[TheMrMuscle]

Red Yeast Rice

I found it for you.

Red Yeast Rice - Clarifying Some Confusion:

There seems to be a lot of confusion as to the way that the FDA views Red Yeast Rice in the US.

The FDA does not have an issue with companies selling Red Yeast Rice in its natural form.

Their issue is with companies/raw material suppliers intentionally selling Red Yeast Rice products that are manipulated, enhanced, or extracted for monacolin k content &/or illegally adding Lovastatin (a prescription drug).

Monacolin K is structurally similar/identical to the medicine lovastatin.

Here are some things to help clarify some of the confusion:

• Red Yeast Rice can be legally marketed as a dietary supplement only when it is fermented in the traditional manner of production. Manufacturers and raw material suppliers cannot intentionally try to manipulate the extraction/production process to target or manipulate for the statin content.
• If a company standardizes its product or uses raw materials that are standardized/manipulated for monacolin content, then the FDA considers the product an unapproved drug. The reason for this is that monacolin is structurally identical to Lovastatin, which is a prescription statin drug.
• While it is legal for a company to sell a non-manipulated Red Yeast Rice supplement, it is NOT legal to sell the supplement if promoting it by promoting the monacolin or statin content.

Context:
The reason that a lot of people want to use Red Yeast Rice is to try to lower their cholesterol naturally in hopes to avoid having to go on a statin drug like Lovastatin to begin with; so companies intentionally manipulating for monacolin content or adding Lovastatin to their products is not only unsafe for unknowing consumers, but it defeats the purpose that most were using Red Yeast for to begin with. (Because if they wanted a prescription medication for cholesterol, they are easily obtainable from almost any general health practitioner).


I hope this information helps to clarify this issue to anyone interested.

 

[Jeremyk1]

I found it for you.

I don’t remember for sure, but this may be the one where the naturally occurring compound is impossible to distinguish from the prescription medication. So basically, if they were to test a batch and find high amounts, there’s not really a way to know if it’s spiked or not. So they end up doing just a blanket ban on all of it. I may have that wrong, but I thought I heard something about that.

 

[nickodemus]

I've done that a lot myself with Focus XT.

VasoForce Rush is so overlooked and underrated on here. Great pre-workout and you can take 1 or 2 caps for energy whenever you'd like and its awesome. I like that to me its a very feel good type of energy.

Looking forward to trying it when my shipment gets in.

 

[alvin1]

What is next? The new tribulus product?

 

[sns8778]

What is next? The new tribulus product?

The new Tribulus Aquaticus product is in process. Working on getting the labels finalized now; the hardest part was deciding on a name for it.

The next new release will be Growth Factor XT and I also have a new single ingredient product here that I need to release; its more in the general health category.

After that, we have a couple more single ingredient products in process and also Cholesterol Support XT.

I'm leaning away from doing many more single ingredient products unless there is a really big demand for something so that we can focus on formulas, but these are a couple cool items that already had labels done for and been in process for awhile.

Towards the end of the year, there is a new CEL natural anabolic coming and a second one in the works. We actually have several cool new things that will be under CEL coming out.

The way we're doing all this, I can never say exact ETA's because the focus right now is always on keeping existing good selling sku's in stock. But it should be a very exciting time from now thru Q1 of next year.

 

[sns8778]

Looking forward to trying it when my shipment gets in.

I think you'll really like VasoForce Rush.

Great pumps and really good clean feel good type energy.

I use it a lot of times at 1 to 2 caps as a pick me up during the day.

 

[sns8778]

I found it for you.

Thank you so much. I really appreciate that.

I think the search function makes it hard for me to find some of my own posts for some reason.

 

[sns8778]

I don’t remember for sure, but this may be the one where the naturally occurring compound is impossible to distinguish from the prescription medication. So basically, if they were to test a batch and find high amounts, there’s not really a way to know if it’s spiked or not. So they end up doing just a blanket ban on all of it. I may have that wrong, but I thought I heard something about that.

I broke that down really well in the post that TheMrMuscle found and posted.

There is very little content of it in the natural form and companies use various methods to try to enhance the amounts that are in it; which is why the government took action and clarified their stance on what is allowed and not allowed.

Companies can't plead ignorance on this because they are required to be able to support that the raw materials that they were were made in a way that is compliant.

There were a lot of people that posted assumptions about it, but that's why I had broken it down in that post by the exact way the FDA clarified it and what the law is about it now.

It was a confusing subject for everyone for a long time.

 

[sns8778]

I wanted to get opinions on something. I've had some people ask me if we would do an a-Cedrene product, and there were some reservations that I had about that because of the percentage extracts available. I would never do anything that wasn't at least 95%+ a-Cedrene because of it being derived from Cedarwood Oil. (No offense to companies that do offer lower percentage ones; its just not something I would be comfortable with offering personally).

I'd like to gauge the level of interest if were able to offer an a-Cedrene 95% at a great price?

My thoughts would be either 500 mg. softgels so people could take 2 to 3 softgels based on their preference, or just going all out and doing a 1,000 mg. softgel for maximum convenience.

I'd love to hear some thoughts, opinions, etc. on this.

 

[Tunaking14]

I wanted to get opinions on something. I've had some people ask me if we would do an a-Cedrene product, and there were some reservations that I had about that because of the percentage extracts available. I would never do anything that wasn't at least 95%+ a-Cedrene because of it being derived from Cedarwood Oil. (No offense to companies that do offer lower percentage ones; its just not something I would be comfortable with offering personally).

I'd like to gauge the level of interest if were able to offer an a-Cedrene 95% at a great price?

My thoughts would be either 500 mg. softgels so people could take 2 to 3 softgels based on their preference, or just going all out and doing a 1,000 mg. softgel for maximum convenience.

I'd love to hear some thoughts, opinions, etc. on this.

I don’t have much knowledge of this ingredient but is it similar to Apigenin? Anti inflammatory and preserves muscle?

 

[sns8778]

I don’t have much knowledge of this ingredient but is it similar to Apigenin? Anti inflammatory and preserves muscle?

No, I wouldn't really say that it is similar to Apigenin at all.

Apigenin is an awesome ingredient that is great for muscle, sleep quality, relaxation, prostate health, anti-aging & longevity, and a lot of other things.

Api-Plex by Competitive Edge Labs is a potent 200 mg. per capsule.

 

[thescience]

The G70X? That could be kind of sweet standalone or in dedicated formula. It is in a few of their products already.

Depending on how well that is absorbed or tolerated, i would make a g70x standalone a staple. Indena ginseng phytosome looks really good, but nobody has ever offered it at anywhere near the dosage athletes use it for. I think the highest dosage ive seen was like 30-70mg

 

[LucasBagoDoce]

I wanted to get opinions on something. I've had some people ask me if we would do an a-Cedrene product, and there were some reservations that I had about that because of the percentage extracts available. I would never do anything that wasn't at least 95%+ a-Cedrene because of it being derived from Cedarwood Oil. (No offense to companies that do offer lower percentage ones; its just not something I would be comfortable with offering personally).

I'd like to gauge the level of interest if were able to offer an a-Cedrene 95% at a great price?

My thoughts would be either 500 mg. softgels so people could take 2 to 3 softgels based on their preference, or just going all out and doing a 1,000 mg. softgel for maximum convenience.

I'd love to hear some thoughts, opinions, etc. on this.

Is a-Cedrene the ingrediente in the new Olympus Labs supplements that upset some people’s gut?
If yes, I had a very bad time with it lol

 

[N2ofusion]

Is a-Cedrene the ingrediente in the new Olympus Labs supplements that upset some people’s gut?
If yes, I had a very bad time with it lol

I’m sure Steve could formulate around it but I admittedly wouldn’t try it unless the reviews blew me away.