I been saying forward while that today's pre workouts that are stim loaded are counterproductive and even somewhat dangerous on steroids. Especially if yiur actually blasting. If your cns is already ripping on tren and anadrol or whatever the last thing you need is 600mg of caffeine every workout.
I've been upping my caffeine intentionally for the first time in a while since im not really taking anything else stim like. I been on a prison pre w/o kick lately lol. Morning coffee is always the same, then150mg caffeine from instant coffee mixed into 1/2 cup how water and a splash of skim milk 2 or 3x week pre workout.
That reminds me, I got pro synthesis on the way
@sns8778 what was the pump product of yours you mentioned to me in another thread. I wanted to take a look at that and I think it might also be kinda what Mikey is looking for.